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Sarah Palin And The Alaska Independence Party

This seems worth digging into a bit. The Alaska Independence Party, which was formed with the goal of seceding from the union and establishing Alaska as an independent state, says that Palin addressed their 2008 convention.

The AIP has posted video of what it claims is her address on its Web site.

It's hard to gauge how fringe the group is. Its Website features this quote from one of its founders:

"The problem with you John Birchers' is that you are too damn liberal!"

-- Joseph Vogler, Founder Alaskan Independence Party

...and here's AIP's list of goals:

Until we as Alaskans receive our Ultimate Goal, the AIP will continue to strive to make Alaska a better place to live with less government interference in our everyday lives.

The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:

1) Remain a Territory.

2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.

3) Accept Commonwealth status.

4) Become a State.

The party says its not a fringe party anymore, but this "Ultimate Goal" stuff seems pretty kooky. And it is still describing this as a goal: "Become a separate and independent nation."

This seems worth learning more about. More here.


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And on their web site, they claim that Palin was a member before she was elected as mayor.

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link to that?

Greg, it's in the diary at Kos I linked to below, it was the Vice Chairman of the AIP making that claim of "Our current governor who I mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected . . . .and there was a lot of talk about her moving up. She was an AIP member before she got the job as mayor . . ."

There is vids of this and more at the Kos link.

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I'd love better confirmation...

I agree, and whacko can make claims. I was just pointing you to where you could hear the claim made is all.

Sorry, Greg, it was in a video on DKos. Jonze links to it below, I think it's the second video down where someone says (I'm taking the text from DKos)

"Our current governor who I mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected . . . .and there was a lot of talk about her moving up. She was an AIP member before she got the job as mayor . . . "

The AIP has a Yahoo user group. On their mseeages today, a Canadian reporter asked if Sarah Palin had ever been a member.

The chairman replied, Yes, she was a member until 1996 when she registered as a Republican to run for mayor

Darn, I can't find the link now...

I believe it was in a video clip in this daily kos diary:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/1/4231/18477/878/581881

OK, I'm spending way too much time on the intertubes when I can't remember which tube I was looking at.

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Oh my. McCain sounds like his dog just died or something.

I'd love to know what she said to these people.

Sorry--just saw the video. I'm an idiot.

Better Kos Diary link here Greg (complete with embedded vids)- http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/1/4231/18477/878/581881

She was never vetted...bwahahhahahaha

Ed Schultz is going to Alaska to do a town hall on Palin...should be interesting

Sweet. He's just the meat-eating liberal guy to send.

Of course people can claim anything they want. She did address the AIP convention, but mentioned they were "opposition".

Of course then there is this -

Governor Palin’s connections with the AIP are also furthered by her connection to Wally Hickel, a former Alaskan governor. Hickel was elected on the AIP ticket. He served as the co-chairman of Governor Palin’s campaign in 2006
Here is a quote from an interview Hickel did with the Alaska Dispatch:

When Palin was running for governor in 2006, Hickel appeared in advertisements supporting her and the Alaska pipeline.
"I made her governor," Hickel told me.

Wally Hickel, Kingmaker. This is going to be fun.

I thought Barney Smith was the Kingmaker?

Such is the danger of picking an unknown. Regardless to the extent of truthiness in this story, it gives the press one more thing to get her to clarify, get them off message and on the defensive. And one more opportunity for a gaffe. That is if they ever let the press near her.

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Nothing serves the Republicans better than being kept off message. Their message sucks.

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Greg - darlin - anything is worth looking into at this point.'

Absolutely anything and everything.

Thank you!


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What the fuck is this bullshit about the "most grateful Americans"?

What grateful? For what? What the hell?...

I'm assuming that's Alaskan Tall Talk. Folks spout a lot of that sort of thing in Texas and South Carolina, too.

Yup Yup.

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Perhaps it has something to do with the oil-welfare-bribe checks that every Alaskan receives?

Dobson and the wingnut extremists met in Minn last week to vet Palin!

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/1/24846/28141/Front_Page/The_Council_For_National_Policy_Meets_In_Minn_Vets_Palin
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The Council For National Policy Meets In Minn, Vets Palin
By Max Blumenthal Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 02:48:46 AM EST print story
Last week, while the media focused almost obsessively on the DNC's spectacle in Denver, the country's most influential conservatives met quietly at a hotel in downtown Minneapolis to get to know Sarah Palin. The assembled were members of the Council for National Policy, an ultra-secretive cabal that networks wealthy right-wing donors together with top conservative operatives to plan long-term movement strategy.
CNP members have included Tony Perkins, James Dobson, Grover Norquist, Tim LaHaye and Paul Weyrich. At a secret 2000 meeting of the CNP, George W. Bush promised to nominate only pro-life judges; in 2004, then-Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist told the group, "The destiny of the nation is on the shoulders of the conservative movement." This year, thanks to Sarah Palin's selection, the movement may have finally aligned itself behind the campaign of John McCain.

That's there problem. They were vetting in downtown Minneapolis when they should have been up in Alaska.

Well, that's a problem, but it's more a symptom of the underlying fundamental problem. The underlying fundamental problem is this:

"OK, we're gathered here today to vet Sarah Palin, making absolutely sure that she is both a strong candidate and ready to hold the second highest office in our land, a heartbeat away from being arguably the most powerful person on earth. So, first question: Does she have a vagina?"

"I think we're pretty safe on that one."

"OK, good. Next question: Pro-life?"

"Sure is!"

"All right! We're done here. Thanks for coming, everybody."

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God, I miss being able to rate comments.

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Again, don't attack her directly but frame her as the tool of extremists.

Cool! I"m ready to form the Texas Independent Party, with the ultimate goal of kickin' 'em out of the Union.

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O really? Where do you live?

Maybe I can give you back to someone -

Is that Sgt. Chip Saunders? You're a good man!

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I've been glad to see Kerry not shy away from painting Republicans as extremists. Many of the Republicans I know already believe that some in the their party are extremists. It would be a hell of a lot easier for Democrats to do their centrist thing if they made a little effort to paint the other side as extreme.

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bluebell, that is one of the most encouraging things going on now, to me. Our leaders are no longer afraid to stand up and say: We are liberals and proud of it and the GOP does not represent American values. We do.

Instead of running scared all the time, we finally stopped, stood up and made them step off - finally!

There is no reason to stop now.

Democratic Values are American Values.

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Yes they are and how much have you hungered to hear one of our people say that? Well, last week they all did, in no uncertain terms and I really needed that.

We let them cow us for at least 3, 4 years. No more.

Sam Stein has good article about how far Palin is from the mainstream focusing on how she said she would oppose abortion even if her daughter (who was 14 at the time) was raped.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-on-abortion-id-oppo_n_122924.html

Why is this Independence Party an issue if Palin is now a Republican?

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Cause it's a fringe and she was a member.


If this is true (so far all I could find before today was something in Pravda) and had happened to the Democrats, the word T R E A S O N would now be leaving Rove's lying, twisted mouth.

Again, if this is true. The Repubs may be reacting to a little bad news by releasing a torrent of fake bad news to distract or even sucker-punch their enemies.

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Imagine if Barack Obama were once a member of a secessionist group in Hawai'i! Just imagine how damned un-American that would be!

It goes to the question of what does she actually believe. Deep down, would she prefer Alaska separate from the Union? The AIP talk about infilitrating the main parties in order to further their agenda. She probably isn't this wacko, but who knows. She needs to throw them under the bus.

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Per my comment above, think of this also in light of how many times Fox newscasters asked if Obama was patriotic enough.

More tarnish on the "Country First" slogan. Seems kind of treasony to me. Vetting ...

Full quote, transcript from the video up on DKos (wish they would cite the original source)... this is from the vice-chair of the AIP

Our current governor, we mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected. There’s a joke, she’s a pretty good looking gal, there’s a joke goes around we’re the coldest state with the hottest governor. And there was a lot of talk about her moving up. She was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town – that was a non-partisan job. But you get along to go along – she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that.

Now what we need is some tangible evidence of her membership beyond this guy's word. I'm sure there is some sign-up sheet or something. These AIP whackos are probably also willing to play this up with the media for the exposure it will bring.

All we need is evidence. It feels like water crashing against a damn. It keeps hitting the damn and the damn is holding up strong but it feels like it may break at some point......and break HARD.

opposition researchers are doing a good job digging up information on Palin.

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OT, except it's on the front page: I love watching Tucker Carlson trying his best to be profound about Socrates' great Absolute Truth that hangs out there just waiting for Tucker himself to find it and elucidate it for us.

Because, according to the dKos diary linked to, the AIP instructs its members to "infiltrate" the major political parties in order to further AIP's agenda.

HaHaHaHa....

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Have the Russians offered to give AIP members Russian Commonwealth passports yet?

Remember how Palin insisted her son be born in Alaska?

Here's something interesting about the founder of the AIP:

Vogler was murdered under suspicious circumstances in 1993. Manfried West confessed to the killing the following year. Vogler was buried in Dawson City, Yukon Territory, Canada, fulfulling a wish that he not be buried under the American flag. His second wife, Doris, who died of cancer in January 1992, is buried next to him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Vogler

The newly elected mayor of Wasilla has asked all of the city's top managers to resign in order to test their loyalty to her administration. Mayor Sarah Palin sent the resignation requests Thursday to Police Chief Irl Stambaugh, public works director Jack Felton, finance director Duane Dvorak and Mary Ellen Emmons, the head of libraries. A fifth director -- John Cooper, who oversaw the city museum -- resigned earlier this month after Palin eliminated his position.

Date: October 26, 1996
Publication: Anchorage Daily News

Say what? "To test their loyalty". WTF does that mean? Jeebus. We gots us a *live* one here...

Tena was right: Tracey Flick in camo....

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Perhaps we underestimate this Palin. She sounds like a mini-Cheney, with her loyalty fetish and desire to root out those of different political persuasions...

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Palin gets creepier by the hour: an anti-American religious zealot who commands personal fealty from public officials subordinate to her. A distaff Cheney.

Yeah, I'm very impressed with the product of McCain's "experience."

So...who's patriotism should we be questioning now?

Or more appropriately, did the McCain Camp even google her before offering her the job? What does this say about his decision-making process as a whole?

Use The Google!? I think not. Or perhaps the tubes were full.

Use The Google!? I think not. Or perhaps the tubes were full.

This puts a new light on the less-famous back end part of her now-famous quote on not being sure what the Vice President does:

"As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I'm used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we're trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question."

Before agreeing to be VP, she wanted to be sure she could use her position to benefit Alaskans specifically.

Haha, now this is a Wild Conspiracy Theory I can get behind.

Sarah Palin is a Canada-loving member of a guerrilla territorionist group who has infiltrated U.S. politics in order to get to a position--such as the VP!--where she can secede Alaska from the United States, taking with it the oil and other natural resources that belong to Americans! At this point, everyone who was not born on Alaskan soil will be extradited!

It all makes sense.

I love this, from their Introduction to the Alaska Independence Party [slogan: "Alaska First, Alaska Always"]

"Ideologically, the AIP is considered to be a hybrid of conservative Republicanism, populism and libertarianism."

If she was a member and then switched to the Republican party, it sounds like a pretty short trip.

Sorry i forgot to give you link to:
The newly elected mayor of Wasilla has asked all of the city's top managers to resign in order to test their loyalty

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=list&p_topdoc=31

Not working for me...maybe there's alot of "Holiday Vetting" going on this weekend...heh, heh

We the People of America Deserve The whole truth (something the McCain camp has had no knowledge of all year) but things seem to be getting worst by the minute...

Palin explains her actions in Ruedrich case

Author: RICHARD MAUER
Anchorage Daily News

Staff
Date: September 19, 2004
Publication: Anchorage Daily News (AK)
Page: A1


Word count: 5695

Sarah Palin never thought of herself as an investigator. Yet there she was, hacking uncomfortably into Randy Ruedrich's computer, looking for evidence that the state Republican Party boss had broken the state ethics law while a member of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=AS&p_theme=as&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_text_search-0=palin&s_dispstring=palin%20AND%20date(all)&xcal_numdocs=20&p_perpage=10&p_sort=_rank_:D&xcal_ranksort=4&xcal_useweights=yes

The previous chairman of the AKIP, Mark Chryson, is apparently also from Wasilla, population (as I understand it) him, Palin, and maybe a couple other people. And praises her glowingly.

There's an awesome graphic on AIP's website of a snake, emanating from the white house, eating Alaska:

http://www.akip.org/statehood-primer.html

Opinion

Author: Staff
Date: August 15, 2008
Publication: Anchorage Daily News (AK)
Page: B4
Word count: 842

Mr. Bailey should go Palin aide should quit or be fired

If you listen to the recorded conversation between Frank Bailey, Gov. Palin's head of boards and commissions, and Alaska State Trooper Lt. Rodney Dial, you have to conclude two things: He is trying to get trooper Mike Wooten fired and he claims to be doing so on behalf of the governor and her family.

If Bailey hasn't resigned or been fired by this morning, then it should happen by lunchtime.

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=list&p_topdoc=71

Excerpts from conversation between Frank Bailey and trooper Rodney Dial
http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/493360.html

I think if your party can elect a governor, even if under unusual circumstances, it's not precisely out of the mainstream of your state.

Well here more or less depending on how you see from the community

Video
http://community.adn.com/mini_apps/vmix/player.php?ID=2129729&GID=118

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Alaskan Independence is not a fringe movement up here. Maybe it is in terms of actual membership - but it does seem to folks up here that they get less out of being part of the US than they (as a resource rich territory) give to the US.

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"Why is this Independence Party an issue if Palin is now a Republican?"

Jesus Christ on a cracker... Rev. Jeremiah Wright says "goddamn America" and Barack Obama has to spend weeks extricating himself from that mess, even though Wright himself served in uniform as a Marine fighting to defend the United States and our allies.

Now Sarah Palin delivers a cheerful, encouraging message lauding a political party that specifically wants to secede from the same United States that Wright fought for, and you can't see any teensy problem? A party founded by a guy named Joe Vogler, who says, “I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions" isn't a potential issue for the GOP VP candidate?

If Barack Obama delivered the same damn video message to an party based in the south side of Chicago that explicitly wanted Illinois to secede from the United States of America, what in hell do you think the Republican Party would do with that?

If the Obamaniacs have any brains whatsoever, they will have the appropriate commercial in the can tomorrow morning ready to run in markets across the country. All they need to do is combine Palin's address to the AIP with the statements on the AIP website, and end with the question: "John McCain and Governor Palin, why do you support the breakup of the United States of America?"

I'm sure there are 10 or 20 visitors to this site who have the ability and the resources to put it together in half the time for a fraction of the money that Obama's overrated communications "genius" Axelrod would charge.

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"it does seem to folks up here that they get less out of being part of the US than they (as a resource rich territory) give to the US."

Interestingly enough, there is a page with questions on the AIP website about the ramifications of leaving statehood, and one specifically asks what will happen to Social Security payments were Alaska to secede from the Union. Not surprisingly, these vaunted rugged individualists in the AIP assert Alaskans would still continue to receive their checks from the nasty United States government they so desperately want to leave.

In other words, they're complete hypocrites. Which puts them in comfortable company with the GOP.

Joe Vogler was murdered and left in a remote gravel pit.

Alaska politics is why I love politics - you can't make up most of it.

Sean Parnell, the Lt. Governor is essentially tied in the Republican Primary against Don Young (U.S. Rep) - if it ends up close enough, Parnell (as Lt. Gov. and Head of Div of Elections) would be charge of recounting his very own primary race.

Rich.

I guess in Alaska you don't lose your seat, just your turn.

I think the most important point about the Alaskan Independent Party is that they have adopted the same political philosophy as Jefferson Davis, the President of the Confederate States of America.

That political philosophy, that each state is sovereign and may secede at any time, was the South's justification for the civil war, in which approximately 600,000 people lost their lives.

That war settled the issue of whether the United States is a Union or a Confederation of Sovereign States, along with another important issue, slavery.

It is not for nothing that the Pledge of Allegiance states that this nation is "indivisible." That is a direct reference to the results of the civil war.

It would be interesting to get Sarah Palin's views on that part of the Pledge, since she has strongly endorsed the "under God" part, (even though she doesn't seem to know much about the history of the Pledge itself).

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Wandering Mind's comment absolutely nails this issue. PLEASE somebody pursue this story that will make Palin Eagleton II. The AKIP is a militia magnet. Their members will gladly blab about their suspicion and hatred of the United States government and their desire to pledge allegiance to a foreign entity: the unborn Republic of Alaska.
Palin's bizarre and dangerous journey to give birth in Alaska would suddenly make sense--if she wants her offspring to be a native-born Alaskan, in case the independence scenario takes off.
I have seen several on-line discussions with Ron Paul supporters veer off into their passionate defense of the South's right to secede in 1860 (not that they're in favor of slavery, mind you, but the right to secession from the Union trumps everything else). Scratch a true Paulbot and I guarantee you get an impassioned defense of secession. Lincoln is seen as a tyrant by them. Literally. Secession is a live issue in the Paul and AKIP milieus.
McCain is billing his campaign as "Country First", but he doesn't vet that his running mate's loyalty is actually to the United States?
Palin attributes the phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance to the Founders, but is she, or has she been, opposed to the "one nation, indivisible" part?
And what motivates members of AKIP (besides gun lust and the subliminal motivation that an independent Alaska will "control its borders" to keep out undesirable races, oops, I mean types)? They are sitting on a lot of oil, so they want to be Saudi Alaska and extort as much money from their former fellow-Americans as possible while the petroleum holds out. It sounds like a joke, but an independent Alaska, in their view, would have the right, and the motivation, to ally themselves with Putin's Russia and the oil sheikdoms to keep up oil prices.
Of course, AKIP's dream is psychotic fantasy. It goes without saying it cannot and will not happen, not in a million years. But apparently it was--and may still be--Sarah Palin's psychotic fantasy. She may have been--she may currently be--someone who would cop out of the United States if it could fatten up her oil dividend check a few bucks. And John McCain put her on his ticket.

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Wandering Mind's comment absolutely nails this issue. PLEASE somebody pursue this story that will make Palin Eagleton II. The AKIP is a militia magnet. Their members will gladly blab about their suspicion and hatred of the United States government and their desire to pledge allegiance to a foreign entity: the unborn Republic of Alaska.
Palin's bizarre and dangerous journey to give birth in Alaska would suddenly make sense--if she wants her offspring to be a native-born Alaskan, in case the independence scenario takes off.
I have seen several on-line discussions with Ron Paul supporters veer off into their passionate defense of the South's right to secede in 1860 (not that they're in favor of slavery, mind you, but the right to secession from the Union trumps everything else). Scratch a true Paulbot and I guarantee you get an impassioned defense of secession. Lincoln is seen as a tyrant by them. Literally. Secession is a live issue in the Paul and AKIP milieus.
McCain is billing his campaign as "Country First", but he doesn't vet that his running mate's loyalty is actually to the United States?
Palin attributes the phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance to the Founders, but is she, or has she been, opposed to the "one nation, indivisible" part?
And what motivates members of AKIP (besides gun lust and the subliminal motivation that an independent Alaska will "control its borders" to keep out undesirable races, oops, I mean types)? They are sitting on a lot of oil, so they want to be Saudi Alaska and extort as much money from their former fellow-Americans as possible while the petroleum holds out. It sounds like a joke, but an independent Alaska, in their view, would have the right, and the motivation, to ally themselves with Putin's Russia and the oil sheikdoms to keep up oil prices.
Of course, AKIP's dream is psychotic fantasy. It goes without saying it cannot and will not happen, not in a million years. But apparently it was--and may still be--Sarah Palin's psychotic fantasy. She may have been--she may currently be--someone who would cop out of the United States if it could fatten up her oil dividend check a few bucks. And John McCain put her on his ticket.

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This is a non-issue, and we'll look stupid if we try to make it into one. She addressed their convention as the governor of their state; she in no way supported the idea of secession, but referred to their party as "welcome competition" in the political arena. I cannot stand the idea of this woman in the White House, but we've got to be careful we don't try to turn her toenail parings into a stream of frenzied blogging and MoveOn ads. We'll just look like jackasses.

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This is a non-issue, and we'll look stupid if we try to make it into one. She addressed their convention as the governor of their state; she in no way supported the idea of secession, but referred to their party as "welcome competition" in the political arena. I cannot stand the idea of this woman in the White House, but we've got to be careful we don't try to turn her toenail parings into a stream of frenzied blogging and MoveOn ads. We'll just look like jackasses.

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This is a non-issue, and we'll look stupid if we try to make it into one. She addressed their convention as the governor of their state; she in no way supported the idea of secession, but referred to their party as "welcome competition" in the political arena. I cannot stand the idea of this woman in the White House, but we've got to be careful we don't try to turn her toenail parings into a stream of frenzied blogging and MoveOn ads. We'll just look like jackasses.

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This is a non-issue, and we'll look stupid if we try to make it into one. She addressed their convention as the governor of their state; she in no way supported the idea of secession, but referred to their party as "welcome competition" in the political arena. I cannot stand the idea of this woman in the White House, but we've got to be careful we don't try to turn her toenail parings into a stream of frenzied blogging and MoveOn ads.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

ABC has the chairman saying Palin was a member and attended the state convention in 1994.

Story is now being reported by Jake Tapper, ABC:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

Story is now being reported by Jake Tapper, ABC:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

ABC has the chairman saying Palin was a member and attended the state convention in 1994.

JimmyBobby-

She did not JUST address the conference as governor...ABC confirmed she was a member through 1996...that's several years while she was under elected office as mayor.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

Thier stinkin' motto is Alaska First...

ABC has picked it up (I don't know how to blockquote, so everything that follows is c&p from ABC, with link following:

Members of 'Fringe' Alaskan Independence Party Say Palin Was a Member in 90s
September 01, 2008 6:52 PM

The campaign of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., likes to herald the independence of its new running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.

And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

"We are a state's rights party," says Clark, a self-employed goldminer. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."

She says it's not accurate to describe the party as secessionist -- they just want a vote, she says, adding that the members of the AIP hold different opinions on what Alaska should be.

"My own separate opinion as an individual is that we should be an independent nation," Clark says. Others in the AIP "believe that being a commonwealth would be a good avenue to follow." Some advocate statehood -- but a fuller statehood than exists now.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

From ABC:

Members of 'Fringe' Alaskan Independence Party Say Palin Was a Member in 90s
September 01, 2008 6:52 PM

The campaign of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., likes to herald the independence of its new running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.

And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

"We are a state's rights party," says Clark, a self-employed goldminer. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."

She says it's not accurate to describe the party as secessionist -- they just want a vote, she says, adding that the members of the AIP hold different opinions on what Alaska should be.

"My own separate opinion as an individual is that we should be an independent nation," Clark says. Others in the AIP "believe that being a commonwealth would be a good avenue to follow." Some advocate statehood -- but a fuller statehood than exists now.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

From ABC:

Members of 'Fringe' Alaskan Independence Party Say Palin Was a Member in 90s
September 01, 2008 6:52 PM

The campaign of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., likes to herald the independence of its new running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.

And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

"We are a state's rights party," says Clark, a self-employed goldminer. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."

She says it's not accurate to describe the party as secessionist -- they just want a vote, she says, adding that the members of the AIP hold different opinions on what Alaska should be.

"My own separate opinion as an individual is that we should be an independent nation," Clark says. Others in the AIP "believe that being a commonwealth would be a good avenue to follow." Some advocate statehood -- but a fuller statehood than exists now.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

From ABC:

Members of 'Fringe' Alaskan Independence Party Say Palin Was a Member in 90s
September 01, 2008 6:52 PM

The campaign of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., likes to herald the independence of its new running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.

And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

"We are a state's rights party," says Clark, a self-employed goldminer. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."

She says it's not accurate to describe the party as secessionist -- they just want a vote, she says, adding that the members of the AIP hold different opinions on what Alaska should be.

"My own separate opinion as an individual is that we should be an independent nation," Clark says. Others in the AIP "believe that being a commonwealth would be a good avenue to follow." Some advocate statehood -- but a fuller statehood than exists now.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

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Jesus Christ, don't you ever stop punching the post button?

I dunno. I'd be interested in hearing bets on when Palin's "resignation" as John McCain's running mate will be announced. Has to be this week.

That'd be great -- showing up McCain's campaign as the shambles it is, and him as an irresponsible manager who can't be entrusted with the fate of the free world -- except then he would pick a more sober, suitable adult for the position. Maybe, god forbid, Joe Lieberman. As a Democrat who wants to see Obama elected, I'd hate to see that. No, John, Sarah Palin is a domestic hero, a true patriot, and a pro-life saint. Please, please keep her on the ticket!

The key issue is not that Palin is out of the mainstream, though most of the evidence thus far suggests that she is.

Rather it is that Senator McCain, in his first major decision as his party's nominee, selected a running mate who is utterly unqualified to be vice president or president. It appears that the Senator's campaign did not vet Palin or did a miserable job doing so.

Senator McCain's first duty to the American people, especially since he would be the oldest man ever to be elected to the presidency, is to select a running mate who is ready to be president in January, 2009. He did not do his duty.

McCain's selection of Palin gives every indication of being impulsive and transparently political (in the worst possible sense). McCain's choice is one more confirmation that he lacks the mentality, temperament, and accountability required of a president.

The Palin choice should be McCain's last presidential-type decision. And, the contrast, in process and substance, with Obama's VP selection could not be more stark.

Bingo.

And even if they somehow manage to convince Palin to fall on her sword, this decision remains. It goes directly to McCain's judgment and temperament.

Total fail.

The key issue is not that Palin is out of the mainstream, though most of the evidence thus far suggests that she is.

Rather it is that Senator McCain, in his first major decision as his party's nominee, selected a running mate who is utterly unqualified to be vice president or president. It appears that the Senator's campaign did not vet Palin or did a miserable job doing so.

Senator McCain's first duty to the American people, especially since he would be the oldest man ever to be elected to the presidency, is to select a running mate who is ready to be president in January, 2009. He did not do his duty.

McCain's selection of Palin gives every indication of being impulsive and transparently political (in the worst possible sense). McCain's choice is one more confirmation that he lacks the mentality, temperament, and accountability required of a president.

The Palin choice should be McCain's last presidential-type decision. And, the contrast, in process and substance, with Obama's VP selection could not be more stark.

Is this stuff SOP for Alaskan politics? Maybe Alaska is the last bastion of the wild west, and this is the way everyone, politicians especially, behaves. That's why Palin is the way she is, Ted Stevens & whoever else you can come up with. That isn't an excuse. It doesn't condone anything. It just explains it.

Is this stuff SOP for Alaskan politics? Maybe Alaska is the last bastion of the wild west, and this is the way everyone, politicians especially, behaves. That's why Palin is the way she is, Ted Stevens & whoever else you can come up with. That isn't an excuse. It doesn't condone anything. It just explains it.

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As a thought experiment, let's imagine the shoe on the other foot.

What if some nationally prominent Democratic politician, say, a Latino, were linked to some group or political party advocating secession for one or more southwestern states.

Think about how that would play in the MSM and the country as a whole!

Is this another case of IOKIYAR? (It's OK if you're a Republican -- and a white Anglo?)

My point is that this needs to be taken very seriously. I personally feel that advocating peaceful secession of any state is within the bounds of acceptible political discource, but should absolutely disqualify anyone from serving in the federal government.

THIS JUST IN --- A gift to OBAMA campaign!!!

I just found this in the "Alaska First - Alaska Always" Alaskan Independence Party Website Q&A section... the 2nd-to-last question pertains to Alaskan Independence.

Q: Would I lose my U.S. citizenship?

A: Depending on the form of independence, several forms of citizenship would be possible, including the retention of U.S. citizenship or dual citizenship. However, considering the moral, educational, and economic decay of the U.S., Alaskans' who hold themselves to a higher standard might very well decide to at least maintain an arm's length distance from a country in decline.


Maybe she joined up after watching "Red Dawn."

Could be a real hit on Palin, and the larger blogosphere is going to town on the rumour. Seems like the first step to moving it into the mainstream is to verify the linkage -- collect more evidence that Palin was an AIP member (which years?), spoke to the AIP in 2008, etc.

When Reverend Wright magically reappears in a month-or-so, the Obama camp will have the perfect retort. I suggest adding a dash of Keating Five for extra flavor and Troopergate for desert.

Reverend Wright criticizes American (as is his fundamental right as an American), Sarah Palin wants to dissolve America!

I might also add that, while I disagree strongly with some of the things Reverend Wright has said; he served honorably in the military and risked his life for this country. You can disagree with some of his politics, but he truly earned his right to criticize.

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And his rhetoric was no different, in substance, than anything that Rev. Falwell has said after 911.

On a side note, I think the Alaska independence party thing will not go away. It explains the very reason why she risked her pregnancy to get back to Alaska despite her water breaking. She can say otherwise, but most people realize actions speak louder than words. So that makes her a truly fringe candidate, and damning of McCain's judgment. He makes a decision from the hip that, oops, accidentally results in the United States being desolved, "Country First" not withstanding. In Palin's case that "country" is Alaska.

(One side note, Alaska, being next to Russia, has less population than Georgia, and like Georgia, is an ex-imperial province of Russia. Good luck keeping the Ruskies out of Oil Rich Alaska if it so much as went independent. Hard to believe that there are people as stupid as the AIP.)

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And his rhetoric was no different, in substance, than anything that Rev. Falwell has said after 911.

On a side note, I think the Alaska independence party thing will not go away. It explains the very reason why she risked her pregnancy to get back to Alaska despite her water breaking. She can say otherwise, but most people realize actions speak louder than words. So that makes her a truly fringe candidate, and damning of McCain's judgment. He makes a decision from the hip that, oops, accidentally results in the United States being desolved, "Country First" not withstanding. In Palin's case that "country" is Alaska.

(One side note, Alaska, being next to Russia, has less population than Georgia, and like Georgia, is an ex-imperial province of Russia. Good luck keeping the Ruskies out of Oil Rich Alaska if it so much as went independent. Hard to believe that there are people as stupid as the AIP.)

I've heard that.

Where the crying F--- does a mayor get the idea other municipal employees must be "loyal" to her? I think she needs to explain this to the nation if she wants an even higher job. Not that it doesn't fit in exactly with Dick Cheney's attitude on governance.

Despite the McCain's camp denials that she was ever a member of the party, it is a FACT that her husband was twice registered under the Alaskan Independence Party. Of course the hypocritical campaign will claim that her husband's political affiliations are irrelevant, and no doubt chastise the Obama campaign for going after family members, but come on! They can make a HUGE issue out of Michelle Obama's ill thought out statement about being proud to be an America for the first time, but Todd Palin's deliberate decision to register with a separatist party doesn't raise legitimate concerns about patriotism?! Absurd! And whether or not concrete evidence is found connecting the VP candidate to this radical group, you can't distance yourself too much from it when you sleep in the same bed as a registered member! The Obama campaign should not back down from this issue, they should think about how the Republicans tore Michelle Obama apart and show them no mercy.

Just a quick question: this point of the AIP not being thrust front and central by the media...why? If we have a candidate who espouses creationism tolerance, ignorance on climate change, belonged to a separatist party, had officials resign to show loyalty...etc, why aren't these things being literally flogged to death as we speak? I noticed that they literally vanished as controversy after a few grumpy retorts from the McCain camp. Am I missing something?

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