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Polls Show Close Presidential Race In The Swing States

A new set of Rasmussen polls, all conducted yesterday in the middle of John McCain's post-convention bounce, suggests that this race remains close on the state-by-state level.

In Colorado, Obama leads by a 49%-46% margin, actually an improvement for him since McCain's 49%-48% edge three weeks ago. Both results are within the margin of error.

In Florida, the race is tied 48%-48%, compared to a 48%-46% McCain edge from about three weeks ago.

In Ohio, McCain leads 51%-44%, compared to a 48%-43% lead for McCain from almost three weeks ago. Rasmussen has been the most favorable pollster for McCain in Ohio.

In Pennsylvania, Obama has a slim 47%-45% edge, not significantly different from his 48%-45% lead two and a half weeks ago.

In Virginia, McCain has a 49%-47% lead, not significantly changed from a 48%-47% McCain lead from over three weeks ago.

All five polls were conducted yesterday, and have a ±4.5 margin of error except for the Ohio survey, which has a ±4% margin error.

Separately, a new SurveyUSA poll of Virginia conducted this past Friday gives McCain an identical 49%-47% lead, with a ±3.7% margin of error. This is also not significantly changed from a 48%-47% McCain edge from over three weeks ago.


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Ohio, it seems, is a wash. Perhaps better to prioritize (and hope for) Virginia?

I don't know; it seems like every other pollster gives Ohio as far closer to Obama ahead generally, while Rasmussen is the only one to consistently have him so far ahead. Structural issue?

Definitely don't count Ohio out. Obama's ground game will be huge there and Dems run the state now, unlike in 2004. Not having Blackwell around purging tens of thousands of voters from the polls is huge.

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Don't count Ohio out yet.

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Yep...gotta keep those dead guys and felons voting if we want to take Ohio!

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Well, um, at least it wouldn't be dead guys voting for the walking-dead guy.

Nate Silver has good commentary on these polls at fivethirtyeight.

The upshot of his analysis: on the whole, it's not bad news for Obama. The Rep. bounce has been weaker in swing states than in national polling. Our position has strengthened especially in FL and CO, and if we can hold onto either one of those states, we don't need OH. Since this should be the high point of the Republican post-convention bounce, there's reason for optimism.

Essentially the bounce only made some red states redder?

That would be nice. And of course a bounce is a "bounce", meaning it goes back down.

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The electoral vote count seems to be moving in McCain's direction. See
http://election-projection.net

Slightly, but McCain had overtaken Obama by a tiny margin at FiveThirtyEight before the Conventions. Obama has since overtaken him quite clearly. He was projected at 310 EVs at the height of his bounce. But even now, at (what appears to be) the height of McCain's, Obama's still being projected at close to 300.

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If we hold PA and all other Kerry states and take NM, NV, and CO (all pretty likely), it's game over for McCain. I think it's pretty interesting that Obama is either up or there has been no movement in most of the swing states since the repub convention. Having lived in the southwest for a little while, my experience suggests that Palin wouldn't score many points there. While there is a strong republican credo there, it is most decidedly of the libertarian streak. Most folks I met have no use for the fundie crowd. It's starting to look more and more like the national bounce has mostly to do with McCain shoring up his support in red states that would have voted for him anyway. OH has a huge evangelical population and getting them off the sidelines has probably caused movement for McCain in that state. In general, though, I have to imagine that pollsters in states with large black populations (like OH) are not really capturing representative samples of likely voters if they are basing their survey targets on turnout in years past.

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I'm not totally sure about NM. McCain and Palin were here 2 days ago and they were given the hero's welcome by the press. Plus we're getting pelted by the Maverick ads pretty heavily. Gotta remember that NM is generally a red state with some blue islands--whenever I'm out of the city and talk to the locals, they generally tell me that they HATE our governor and those like him....

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Great, one of my "most visited" websites is the "TPM 500 internal server error" site. Yay.

The basic reality of the race is that Obama really shouldn't have much trouble holding Kerry's states and has multiple pathways (and a much better ground game than Kerry's)to get to 271 from there. Make a few adjustments in messaging- primarily hitting McCain harder and starting some fights instead of just reacting- and all will be well. Where McCain is now should be more or less his high-water mark unless Obama screws up pretty badly.

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Republicans are all about fear, resentment and hate.

O is all about hope. Seems he needs to ad to his mix.

There is plenty for young people to fear about in their future if McCain is elected.

There is plenty for workers to resent about from things Republicans have done already and plenty for workers to fear about if McCain gets re-elected.

Its a matter of weather you want your future to look more like Canada or more like Mexico.

So I think that O can stoke some fears of becoming Mexico and stoke some hope of becoming more like Canada.

(although not to emply actually or necessarily using the words Canada or Mexico - I'm just using them hear as a metaphore).

Anyone who wants to read two excellent analysis of the state polls, go here:

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/new-swing-state-numbers-and-what-we-can-see-in-them

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/peak-at-new-electoral-map.html

One thing is very clear, even in the height of the McCain convention bounce, these polls are good news for Obama (no Idiotic snark).

What's even better is that there is a VERY good chance that Obama loses the popular vote and wins the electoral college votes!

Thanks. I hadn't looked at The Field lately, and they had some good insights.

I'm going to vote early so I can clear my schedule for GOTV work.

While it would be karma-rific if Obama won the electoral college without winning the popular vote, and while it definitely looks very possible, I sure hope that's not the scenario that plays out.

The first black president could really use a popular mandate.

However, it would be hilarious to see the Republicans try to spin that the popular vote is really what matters -- and, please, don't think that they wouldn't. The current "not your father's" Republican party is every bit that shameless and hypocritical, not to mention anti-history.

Boy, if you look at the pollster.com graphs on the right side of the page, you see what a close race it's shaping up to be -- esp. in CO, OH, and VA! Remember, we only need to take one of those three (or FL).

GOTV efforts will be key -- which I realize is an understatement. But I was reminded today that Obama worked on voter registration right out of college and likely understands politics at that grass-roots level far better than candidates in years past. Hence the statistical sublimity of the primary campaign and what I hope will be the same for the general.

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The intrades have really tightened since the conventions, too.

All the polls say is that we need to get off ou buts and work to get Obama elected. We can still get new voters registered. Speaking of new voters registered, is there someway the campaign is tracking these new voters to make sure they get to the polls? I mean if people were to withdrawn to register, won't they be equally unreliable to vote? Are we working to get them to the polls?

While I'm heartened in the fact that the close states are still close after both conventions/bounces, I think one state nobody is talking about that deserves a lot of attention from Obama is Michigan.

The west side of that lower peninsula is guns, gods and gays country...i.e. McCain/Palin dreamland. If they can somehow steal that state (and it's Obama by 1 there now), then it makes Ohio and Florida very crucial to Obama.

Sure he could STILL win without Michigan, Ohio and Florida, but no need fighting with one arm behind your back just because you can.

Agreed. I think the importance of holding MI is widely recognized. Obama was there today, for instance.

Just as McCain is probably toast if he can't hold Ohio and Florida, Obama is probably toast if he can't hold Pennsylvania and Michigan.

Obama's odds go way down if he has to win Colorado, Virginia, and Nevada just to squeak by.

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I think these are all very good numbers for Obama. considering they are coming directly after McCain's convention bounce.

The SUSA poll in WA worries me a bit but Obama is still close to 50% even in this post-GOP convention poll. Methinks Gov. Palin will have a short-lived love affair with voters in the West/Pac-NWest. (see Ras' latest CO, which gives Obama a 3pt lead and puts him close to 50%)

This all comes with the disclaimer - I'm still scare shitless.

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That said, what's up with this from WaPo's post-convention poll:

"White women shifted from an eight-point pre-convention edge for Obama to a 12-point McCain advantage now."

Pray tell, why??????

Piper Palin. Every time she spit-styled her little brother's hair, we lost 1% of white women.

Someone's got to dig up some dirt on that kid.

We just need to hammer on Palin as anti-woman: under her tenure, for example, the fine city of Wasilla charged rape victims for forensic testing.

While the Alaska State Troopers and most municipal police agencies have covered the cost of exams, which cost between $300 to $1,200 apiece, the Wasilla police department does charge the victims of sexual assault for the tests.

How would general knowledge of this little tidbit change the polling data for women I wonder?

I didn't know about this, and I strongly agree that the Obama campaign needs to hammer on it. Speaking as a forensic DNA analyst myself (i.e. a consumer of the evidence produced by these exams, which is absolutely essential to properly investigating and prosecuting rape cases) this is an absolutely indefensible, outrageous and indeed sickening policy.

When people look at these polls I think a lot of people forget Obama's trump card: the hundreds of thousands of new voters his campaign has registered.

Nate at fivethirtyeight.com runs a scenario analysis that shows McCain has essentially a 0% chance of winning the election if he loses Ohio.

I'd like to see what the analysis shows if McCain loses Florida. I image it's pretty much the same.

Yep. In a nutshell:

If we hold the Kerry states and pick up IA, then
they need to hold FL, VA, CO, and OH.

Lose any one of those and they're toast.

Well, Kerry plus Iowa and New Mexico. Kerry plus Iowa and Colorado would leave Obama with 268, one short. The larger point-- that Obama really needs only one of the big swing states, while McCain has to run the table-- is of course true.

Here's a thought I've been kicking around. Please tell me if I'm crazy:

Why can't Obama's surrogates (Obama?) spell out Palin's radical Right beliefs? I understand that mentioning her family by name is a dicey prospect but certainly her *views* must be made plain.

Seems to me her radical views ought to be made public.

caveat: I'm not proposing campaign strategy-just looking for feedback...

They're doing it. Biden called her views "extreme" today, and Kerry has called her a "flat-earther"(!) Absolutely.

There was also a nice CNN segment today about her church, and its belief that Alaska will be a "refuge state" in the end times.

Yeah, I saw that CNN piece. Interesting...hopefully all of this wierdness will come out.

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Folks, focus on that white woman gap in the WaPo poll. Just one poll but if that stands, Obama's chances are not good. How the eff did that happen? "Yeah, I kind of support Obama because he believes in what I and Hillary believe in...but I still don't like what he did to Hillary....OK, I support Obama because Hillary said it's OK and I agree with him on many issuues....Forget that, I support McCain because he put a chick on the ticket who disagrees with me on most issues!"

Seriously, what I wrote may seem simplistic and sexist, but if the swing WaPo mentions is real, isn't it the truth?

8pt Obama advantage to a 12pt McCain advantage among white women? If this poll is to be believed, please explain to me why these women shifted other than the fact that Palin shares their gender. And I'd ask the same question if black voters suddenly shifted their allegiances simply because McCain pick Michael Steele or Ken Blackwell as his running mate.

Or Alan Keyes?

Of course it's gender. I'm not accusing you of sexism.

Unfortunately, voters behave in irrational ways. They overvalue identity and undervalue policy. It's not just women who do it.

Palin's appeal to women -- esp. working-class white women -- is very strong. But some of it may fade over time, especially as they learn more about her stance against abortion, even in cases of rape and incest.

My gut reaction is that those numbers are outliers -- particularly since the early polling suggested that Palin was viewed more favorably by men than by women.

To the extent that its real, I wonder how much of it is Republican women getting more enthusiastic, and less likely to hang-up on poll-takers? Not that that's good for Obama -- they're probably more likely to vote now too -- but I really think the end result of the Palin pick will be shoring up the Republican base. The key for Obama is to shore up the Dem base and pick off enough independents.

I took a minute to check the internals. I think this is less of a situation where white women are changing their minds and more one where MORE of them are making the LV screen. Palin was enough to bring them into "voting for sure". Makes sense. That's the sole reason Palin was a great pick - it'll drive turnout. It's also why the LV polls are all over the map - it's impossible to measure the impact right now.

The take away from this poll is the wide lead McCain has with Independents. Expect this to fade over the next week causing the current numbers to reverse.

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1)One could make the case that Palin is exactly the sort of choice that runs up the popular vote nationwide while hurting McCain with independent voters in the swing states.

2) Democrats REALLY NEED TO GET OUT THE NEWS THAT PALIN IS A WANNABE BOOK-BANNER AND LIBRARIAN-FIRER. Out of all the negative stories about her past, that seems to me the one most likely to result in almost universal scorn.

The library controversy requires more information from Gov. Palin and the Librarian at the time, Mary Ellen Baker. Sure, it looks like she was trying to ban books that perhaps some friends/voters had wanted removed from the shelf but we have to be careful. So, bear with me here:

In this article it states that Mayor Palin was asking about how to go about banning books:
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html

We need more information: was this simply a request for information about the policies for challenging a book (which would be in the library's policies) or was it something more nefarious? The newspaper articles of the time quoting the librarian seem to indicate not necessarily "positive" intent on the part of Ms Palin.

Lets say that tomorrow Gov. Palin is actually asked about this incident. Do you think she would actually admit to an intent to ban books? Or, admit to firing the librarian on the basis of being unwilling to ban books?

I'm not saying there is nothing here but a conversation between two people is easily forgotton or twisted without documentation.

Where is Mary Ellen Baker?

I think continued hammering on the Bridge/earmarks issue and Palin's exremist position on abortion is going to have MUCH more traction in the middle than the library thing. Because, as much as I hate to say it, there are lots of moderates in the middle who, whether they would admit it in public or not, are in fact uncomfortable with their kid coming across "My Two Mommies" in the library. And that's about as deeply as they're going to engage with that issue. Wrong, I know, but true.

On the other hand, NOBODY in the middle thinks a 13-year old incest victim should go to jail for getting an illegal abortion. And NOBODY in the middle will have much patience for the earmark hypocrisy if it's laid out clearly (i.e., wanted the bridge, didn't get the bridge, kept the money).

And of course the Palin stuff is going on in the shadow of Obama's infuriately disciplined "90%/More of the Same" line, which I think will continue to gain ground as it's repeated -- tying in Palin to the Sameness along the way.

Interesting!!! The Rasmussen polls were done with FOX News Channel, so for what it's worth much cannot made of Rasmussen.

Rasmussen is also a frequent guest of Fox Noise and Hannity.

Interesting!!! The Rasmussen polls were done with FOX News Channel, so for what it's worth much cannot be made of Rasmussen.

Rasmussen is also a frequent guest of Fox Noise and Hannity.

I want to know more about the so-called "test of loyalty" mentioned here; http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515512.html

What the...? Is this a common occurence in municipalities? That a newly sworn in mayor asks for the resignation of the major department heads as a "test of loyatly". How does that work? If they refuse they are fired? On what grounds?

THIS has to be looked into. That's some seriously strange and I would guess not "Standard operating procedure."

Anyone else ever hear of such?

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Maybe they could make an ad about how Palin billed state taxpayers a per diem for nights spent at home.

While we're at it, some of that sweet sweet money might be put to good use in letting voters in these states know they're being purged from the rolls: NM, NV, OH, FL, and several others. Either the campaign needs volunteers to call people and let them know who to call to see if they've been purged, and in states where it looks like just more of the same old Republican ratfucking, ads pointing it out. "There they go again - trying to take away your right to vote" or something of the like.

Don't kid yourselves; they're in full steal mode from now until the election, and purged voters only have a month to get re-registered. Something needs to happen, yesterday, to turn that around.

Well this polling indicates to me that McCain is boosting his support amongst Republicans, but that support is pushing into states that are already into the GOP column. Colorado appears to be going for Obama, Florida is now in play and Nevada will be a state to look for in the future. If Obama holds all the Kerry states and with some more effort and the likely descent of McCain-Palin's convention bounce over time, Obama I believe will hold New Hampshire and Michigan. New Mexico and Iowa are solidly blue now, Obama posted a 15 point lead in Iowa before the GOP convention and that will be extremely difficult for McCain to break down. That gives Obama a total of 260 electoral votes that he's be able to work with. Colorado+Nevada would push him over, Colorado+Montana, Ohio, Florida, Virginia on their own. I think nationally the Mile High Stadium idea was potentially damaging to Obama, but it was brilliant for bringing in people who'll be the foot soldiers for the campaign locally in Colorado. I think these numbers will remain steady and improve as the GOP convention bump declines.

Al Giordano over on The Field notes that the polling for Virginia isn't really representative of the demographics that will be bolstered by GOTV efforts and the energizing of the Democratic ground game. Demographics favourable to Obama are under-represented, which bodes well for the future of the campaign and for the state to turn blue for the first time since 1964 if McCain is only leading by 2 percentage points.

How about this talking point about the bridge, "Gov. Palin was never against the bridge, just against paying for it".

Make them explain for then against without us having to use the phrase.

I'm watching this all from afar, but isn't it true that McCain has been hitting the batlleground states with primary money in the lead up to the RNC.

Could that have contributed to spikes and won't that fade off now... down here its playing that he's far less cashed up than Obama

Over the past two weeks we have seen how malleable are the minds and views of a sizeable portion of those persons at the center of the spectrum and this is one hell of a unique election in that we have a candidate of African-American heritage. How many of those at the center will say one thing and do exactly the opposite after being polled? How many would say that they intend to vote Obama and end up voting McCain as oppossed to vice-versa? Right: there isn't any doubt about that the answer to that.

Unless Obama has his support nailed down solid by a hard-hitting, populist campaign, I think that we are in for a big disappointment nine weeks from today.

Remember, fever trumps logic. This isn't a chess game. Logic is obsessed with it's own logic and that creates a blinder in election campaigns.
Mr. Obama: in a very creative and hilarious way, you are going to have to grab your opponent's balls and squeeze till his head explodes. If you insist on logic, then step down immediately and exchange places with Joe Biden. He can get the job done.