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Poll: Public Rejects McCain's Claim That Dems To Blame For Bailout Collapse
It looks like the McCain campaign's efforts to pin the failure of the bailout on Barack Obama and Congressional Democrats aren't getting any traction, according to the new ABC/Washington Post poll, the first survey to look at this issue.
The numbers: Among registered voters, 44% blame the Congressional Republicans -- that is, the ones who actually voted against the bailout -- compared to only 21% who blame Congressional Dems, and 17% who blame both equally.
Also, the Democratic arguments over who is to blame for the crisis appear to be winning the day. George W. Bush is seen as the single most important cause of the crisis by 25% of voters, followed by financial institutions with 18%. Congress is blamed by only eight percent.
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Also, the Democratic arguments over who is to blame for the crisis appear to be winning the day.
We can have a sane and informed voting public, after all these years?
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September 30, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you treat the American public like adults (as Obama has), they respond in kind.
September 30, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
As he's said over and over: "The American people are not stupid!"
September 30, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
While I am glad to see actual data to confirm this conventional wisdom, I still think that the reaction that one ought to have to this finding runs something to the effect of "no $#!+, Sherlock." The public thinks that the Republicans are to blame because the Republicans are to blame. They jumped the shark and the whole world can see it (finally). They will have to own their failure (at long last) and hopefully this will finally force them to grow up and rejoin the reality based community.
September 30, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or, failing that, at least leave them so politically marginalized that it will not matter if they do not.
September 30, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
SSShhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're going to hurt their feelings!
September 30, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
How incredibly pathetic that the Repubs tried to blame that mean, nasty Pelosi for hurting their feelings and voting against the bill. Maybe if Pelosi knew the sway she holds over the Repubs she could have forced them to vote for an Iraq time-table.
September 30, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
House GOP = Thumbsucking crybabies.
Somebody call the waaaahhhmbulance for these wusses!
September 30, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're tantruming when their egos don't get massaged. And who says that they aren't following McCain's leadership?
September 30, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Last night on CNN, even Gergen called the House GOP "big babies" regarding this excuse. He seemed visibly angry (for Gergen) at the House GOP for derailing this bill, something I hadn't seen before.
September 30, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
GOP: A party of whiners.
September 30, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
cry babies
September 30, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's been pretty disgusted with his party in general and the McCain campaign in particular. Remember, he's the one who said on CNN that as a southerner he understood McCain's ad about Obama as Moses was code for Obama being uppity.
September 30, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
With poll results such as these, pundits such as Gergen will be emboldened to call out the Republicans throughout the propaganda war these coming next few weeks.
September 30, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo!
I think the TV coverage of Katrina was a watershed moment, when the public realized that the GOP were, er, lying. What they saw with their own eyes directly contradicted the bullshit the GOP was spewing. No one likes to be lied to (at least so blatantly). And that epiphany continues to this day.
September 30, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
And yesterday's vote was another repub Katrina moment.
September 30, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
This morning the House GOP are taking it back about Pelosi.
This morning Morning Joe Scarborough had on his partisan GOP House hat and was railing against Nancy Pelosi.
September 30, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, they're retracting the finger pointed at Pelosi, which was originally wagged by Boehner. Boehner is supposedly going to have a hard time holding his slot since he can't keep his gaggle in line. (I doubt he's going to be ousted.)
He said, "“You can’t break their arms, you can’t put your whole relationship on the line, ask them to do something that they do not want to do and have that member regret that vote for the rest of their life,” Boehner said. “Twenty years from now, nobody will care how anyone voted except those members. You can’t do that. You just can’t.”
He's no DeLay...he'd have just hired out the arm breaking so he wouldn't appear to be involved.
September 30, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Despite the poor maths skills of many Americans it's very difficult to make the case that the other side is to blame for the failure of the bill, when 60% of them voted for it and only 33% or thereabouts of your crowd voted for it, most people can figure that one out. The only people who would uncritically buy the whole we couldn't get the votes because Nancy was nasty to us are the MSM. Most average folk would say you don't cut your nose to spite your face. And there endeth my first post on TPM
September 30, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
O up 3 in FL
September 30, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Previous PPP poll (conducted the week after the conventions closed) had McCain leading by five. In other words, nearly perfectly reflecting the national trend-shift since then.
September 30, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
OT: The new PPP poll for Florida has some good news.
September 30, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
New PPP Florida Poll
Obama 49 McCain 46
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-takes-small-lead-in-florida.html
September 30, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ruh roh, Raggy.
September 30, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am no fan of Bill Clinton these days, but I think he will help Obama down there in Florida (where he is today).
September 30, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, if he can remember he's campaigning for Obama and not McCain.
September 30, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
44% Repubs
38% Dems or Dems & Repubs
Yup. Ain't good to be a Republican these days.
September 30, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
If this were a "real" crisis, instead of a "shock doctrine" maneuver, there'd be a real legislative effort to address the conditions that caused it.
Such an effort would HAVE to include a measure to repeal Gramm/LeachBliley, restore Glass-Steagall, and to return the margin/leverage requirements to their pre-Raygun/Greenspan/Bush/Clenis/Bush levels.
That such provisions DO NOT exist in the bill being so disputed proves to me the spruyiousness of the whole fucking charade...
September 30, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
MSNBC: Gallup Daily tracker gives Obama 52% over McCain (40%).
It's a matter of minutes to find out if this is true.
Stay tuned...
September 30, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everybody work like we're behind by two! (But plan for a freaking big party! I'm going to be hung over but happy that Wednesday.)
September 30, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
While we're all talking about polls, SUSA-GA-Sen: Chambliss (R-inc) 46, Martin (D) 44.
I'd like to get some corroboration (this is a 15-point swing from two weeks ago), but if it holds up, this is possibly a better pickup opportunity than the MS special election.
September 30, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd love it to be so, but I'm a bit skeptical about these numbers. The polls on this race have been all over the place.
Let's just say I'm expecting the worst, but hoping for the best.
September 30, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Saxby Chambliss.
Yet another example of a worthless gooper sack of sh!t that needs to be ridden out of D.C. on a rail.
What a pathetic party they are.
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September 30, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
spuriousness--sorry
September 30, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the deal or no deal:
http://www.alternet.org/workplace/100857/why_conservatives_led_the_fight_against_the_bailout_deal/
September 30, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The numbers: Among registered voters, 44% blame the Congressional Republicans -- that is, the ones who actually voted against the bailout -- compared to only 21% who blame Congressional Dems..."
Did I enter an alternate universe? Back in reality the Democrats have a majority in the House and should be able to pass anything they want? Blaming Republicans in the Senate for not being able to get to 60 is another story.
September 30, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Back in reality we're talking about a supposedly "bi-partisan" bill, that _both_ parties were supposed to vote for in order for both parties to be able to politically cover their own asses, since no one wants to be blamed alone for giving $700 billion to Wall Street.
The party who overwhelming votes no gets credit for killing the deal. Pretty straightforward conclusion for the American public to come to.
September 30, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
"...since no one wants to be blamed alone for giving $700 billion to Wall Street."
Sounds like it's time for a new plan then...a "bi-partisan" one.
September 30, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's a shame that none of the Democrats (and there were more than a few) who voted against the bailout get any of the CREDIT for defeating this abomination of corporate welfare.
It was such a lovely change, to see Congresscreatures voting on a bill with the will of the PEOPLE (voters) in mind - just wish that would become a trend.
September 30, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
this was always going to happen I mean they got upset over a speech a speech made them say sod the economy sod the us we will vote no I am shocked when I heard the people outside wall street yesterday saying don't pass it let it go down they don't seem to get that if we don't do a thing then and it already has started it will move to main street
I still have a feeling deep down that they are trying to get this bill gone so mcsame can come up with a new one and look a hero
September 30, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink