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Poll: Palin's Speech Reassured Independents About Her

A new SurveyUSA poll taken after Sarah Palin's big speech last night suggests that she went a long way in reassuring independent voters about her fitness as a candidate.

A solid 57% of independents give her speech an "A" grade, and 56% say she is an asset to the campaign while only 27% call her a liability. In a poll released just before her speech, when she was in the midst of the tabloid coverage of her family problems, only 43% of independents called her an asset and 44% said she was a liability.

Unfortunately, this poll doesn't tell us much about the horse race -- a respondent can say she's a solid campaigner and still intend to vote against her. But it does tell us that the worst effects of her initial press coverage could be behind her, as we all head into the final weeks of the general election.


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So are they really going to keep her sequestered for 60 days?

I mean, if she won't do any interviews, surely the media is going to get pissed, right?

Yeah, probably not.

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Hell with Palin, howz 'bout McDotard?  Haven't seen his sorry ass taking any questions from the press since Palin showed up.

Obama's not hiding, though!

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But it does tell us that the worst effects of her initial press coverage could be behind her, as we all head into the final weeks of the general election.

ERic, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from trying to tell me what I'm supposed to think.

This is bullshit.

She has legal and ethical problems that have only begun.

What the fuck?

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This is a blog. You do know what a blog is, right? It's not straight news reporting or aggregation. Blogs are heavy on opinion and analysis. Eric expresses his opinion. If you don't like it, perhaps you should find another place to get your news or just STFU. Geez.

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Dude - who the fuck are you?

I haven't seen you before. I"m around here a bit.

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Why? This is a public site. I have a login. I post here regularly and your attitude sucks. I get tired of folks like you shitting on Eric and Greg when you don't like what they post. They're doing a valuable service and doing what a blog is supposed to do.

I have a login.

That and a few bucks will get you a latte at Starbucks, dude.

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Uh, "I have a login" means "you can check my fucking profile and see what I've posted for yourself, fool." Which you could do as well, fool.

As I explained downthread, you can also use The Google and discover freerider's previous 114 posts on this site. The search string is there. Use it.

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So that gives you the right to act like a petulant asshole? Just asking...

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Dude - who the fuck are you?

I haven't seen you before. I"m around here a bit.

Sweet Jeebus, what is this horseshit?

"Hey there boah, Ah ain't seen yew round these heere parts before. Yew ain't no... outsider, are yuh, boah? Cause yew know, we don't take too kahndly to outsiders round here. If yew git mah drift."

A simple Google search will reveal at least 114 comments on this site from freerider, dating back at least to May 3 of this year.

Here's your string:
"posted by freerider" site:talkingpointsmemo.com

You'll find posts by freerider taking on Jacob Freeze, for example. Defending Obama on FISA (where I would disagree with freerider). Calling out Rev. Wright for his asinine comments to the National Press Club, and noting that lots of Trinity churchgoers didn't believe a lot of his ravings. And a lot of miscellaneous stuff.

Not that that should matter, of course. Unless you are someone who decides that a Loyalty Test is required for being a commenter -- or a staff member -- at TPM.

so that gets you a merit badge or somethin?
imaginary "seniority" maybe??? wtf?
thats got nothin to do with it. chill out.

For your information, asshole, Eric always gives what he thinks are objective "insights" into the meanings behind polling data. Opinion has nothing to do with it.

And Eric would suffer a lot less abuse about his "insights" if they EVER had the virtue of being proven right. It hasn't happened yet.

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You and Teena are a good pair. Why don't you leave the board, go off in a corner together and fuck each other and breed more little bitter asshats??

I've heard worse suggestions. And, if you're not bitter, you're not paying attention.

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I'm paying attention enough to know that the folks here at TPM put a lot of work into this board and it's a great source of news/info and don't deserve bullshit from assholes like you!

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I'm paying attention enough to know that the folks here at TPM put a lot of work into this board and it's a great source of news/info and don't deserve bullshit from assholes like you!

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I'm paying attention enough to know that the folks here at TPM put a lot of work into this board and it's a great source of news/info and don't deserve bullshit from assholes like you!

You do not understand, Grasshopper. Hard work, reporting, mean nothing. The true test of character, and of acceptability, is Loyalty. Unwelcome thoughts must be shunned. That is all.

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The Great TPM Sargent-Kleefeld Anti-Obama Conspiracy is back!

Please wait while I adjust my tinfoil hat.

It's also a community and people get to know one another and their personalities and quirks. The more familiar you become with the personalities here the more you understand where they come from and how they express themselves. Probably best not to jump to take offense.

BTW Tena Rocks.

Yeah. Like. Is that line from Eric a joke? B/c the press hasn't even STARTED doing their jobs. Jeezum.

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Let's start with Reading Comprehension 101, Tena.

Eric wrote: "...worst effects OF HER INITIAL PRESS COVERAGE could be behind her...."

I'll give you a few minutes so you can read that again, slooooooowly.

He didn't say: "Her worst press coverage is behind her", or "the worst is behind her."

Just to spell it out for you -- that clause means:

1) There was a bunch of initial press coverage
2) That press coverage was damaging to Palin
3) It's possible (that's what "could" means) that the effects of THAT press coverage are no longer being felt.

Nothing about future coverage of known scandals, and nothing about any future, as yet unknown scandals.

Greg gets to decide what "this tells us." So do you. He's not telling you what to think, and you would do well to start by gaining a basic understanding of what he's saying before you go around assuming that that's what he's doing.

I don't consider myself an expert, but those seem like good numbers to me. Due to the greater numbers of Democrats than Republicans, McCain has to win over independents; an even break in that poll -- which doesn't even signify an increase in voter support -- is far short of what's necessary for McCain, although probably more than Romney would have gotten.

My wife and a couple of other Obama supporters thought her speech was great-but-scary, disliking Palin themselves but fearing that it was effective. So they'd fall into the "net positive" camp, though it would never occur to them to vote for her.

And I still think the slogan should be: McCain/Palin: Because McCain Really Hates Romney

Clown shoes.

Once again I have to say---this focus on topline numbers without ANY looking at the fine grained stuff is just ridic.
Also---are the numbers saying they liked her speech or that they are now more likely to vote for her or see her as presidential? The folding of those two issues are just not wrong as interpreted by Eric.

I am hoping to see the breathless reporting of McCain's speech poll numbers about him being a warrior for peace and non partisanship tomorrow.

Yeah, I like her chances. She's about 73% pathological liar and 27% preloaded with gaffes. It's gonna be smooth sailing here on out.

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I like you!

LOL!!!!!

I'm here all week. Tip your waitron.

What they do not realize because they are chronically deluded is that she and McLoveMeBeforeIDie will consolidate their power at the expense of the American people the day after they say "I do".

They are rapists, panderers, whores, masters of nothing and above all, without regret.

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She drew huge numbers because she'd become an instant CELEBRITY. People weren't evaluating the pitbull with lipstick as President.

Let's hear more about those 5 or 6 college switches and her shutgun marriage and let the mud flow until some of it sticks.

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Huckleberry says we love her because she has good judgement? Somebody put that in the can. We can use that one later.

Eric,

What's the point of this poll and why did u post it?

I'd say that was self-evident.

God, what a bunch of fucking idiots.

yeah...well, we live in a cynical country and that is exactly why McCain made such a cynical pick in Palin. But this registered Independent will never vote for McCain. Americans need to wake up!

Peggy Noonan said it best, 'Narratives are 'Bulls%*t.' To many people in Americans go for the narratives and not the story line.

Do they not understand that she didn't write the speech? And these are the people that will decide the election.

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Exactly.  A huge chunk of 'em -- maybe most -- don't realize it's ghost-written.  Sigh.

I'll relate a conversation my girlfriend and I sometimes have.  She'll be watching a movie, and at some point she'll pick up on an event and say, "Do you know why Mrs. X just broke up with Mr. Y?"  She'll be thinking about something that happened earlier in the movie as if it were real life.

I'll tell her, "Yeah.  It's because the scriptwriter wrote it that way."  She just frown and goes back to her movie.

>a respondent can say she's a solid campaigner and still intend to vote against her.

I think the numbers make sense.

I'd rate her speech as effective, too, and herself a solid campaigner. That said, the overall impression is that of white trash. Washed and groomed for the occasion, smart in her own way, not to be ignored white trash.

The speech prompted me to 1) donate 2) lose whatever remnants of respect I had for McCain.

(and lay off Eric, will you? He's not making the numbers. He reports them.)

I'd rate her speech as effective, too, and herself a solid campaigner. That said, the overall impression is that of white trash. Washed and groomed for the occasion, smart in her own way, not to be ignored white trash.

White trash? Those are the vibes I'm getting.

Speech effective? Hmm, depends upon what it was trying to do. Certainly got the base (30%) excited.

Solid campaigner? Yet to be revealed.

But I can tell ya, that if we're gonna see what I'm saw in the supermarket checkout aisle from now until the election, it's gonna be rough for John and his new soulmate.

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I co-sign the whitetrash part of that.

And you know - you can't underestimate em. Look at Eminem.


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IRAN!!! Be afraid (of the Republicans) be very afraid. Linking Iran with 9/11. They're going to do it again!

Sadly, we live in a cynical country and that is exactly why McCain made such a cynical pick in Palin. But this registered Independent will not vote for McCain. Americans need to wake up!

Peggy Noonan said it best, 'Narratives are 'Bulls%*t.' To many people in Americans go for the narratives and not the story line.

during the Hillary-Obama battle, the author of this "story" wrote others "stories" just like this one--reports on polls with breathless, inane commentary. Send him to WaPo!

correction:

Sadly, we live in a cynical country and that is exactly why McCain made such a cynical pick in Sarah Palin. But this registered Independent will not vote for McCain. Americans need to wake up!

Peggy Noonan said it best, 'Narratives are 'Bulls%*t.' Too many people in America fall for narratives and not substance.

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It's not the numbers - fuck the numbers.

It's the conclusion that I can't believe = the worst of her press coverage is behind her?

How can you say that, Eric?

Exactly.

How can the worst of her press coverage be behind her when she has yet to field questions from even 1 fucking reporter?

Eric's amazingly stupid when it comes to poll coverage, and has been since the start of the primary season.

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Apparently, reading is not your strong suit. He said "the worst effects of her initial press coverage **could** be behind her."

Hooza, dere, EasyRider! Dont you be confusin dem bitchy whiners wid facks. No allowed to go discrimnifyin gainst handycappered hard-o-readin dingbats. Where dey gonna dump all dere extra bile ennyweigh?

An doncha kno dat dem wats postin here alla time givin em rites to be deppity moderaters? Dats wat dey meen by whu r u. Dey livin here day n nite pissin all ovah evvybuddy. Youz spekted to kno dat.

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Priceless!

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In fairness to Eric, Jerome Armstrong is making a somewhat similar case in a recent post on MyDD, with a bit more reasoning, based upon the SUSA and CBS polls.

I don't completely agree with him, and Jerome hasn't had a great track record (OK, he's sucked) with political analysis this election cycle. But Eric's not the only one saying this.

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In fairness to Eric, Jerome Armstrong is making a somewhat similar case in a recent post on MyDD, with a bit more reasoning, based upon the SUSA and CBS polls.

I don't completely agree with him, and Jerome hasn't had a great track record (OK, he's sucked) with political analysis this election cycle. But Eric's not the only one saying this.

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How can you say that, Eric?

BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SAY THAT, TENA. THAT'S WHY.

When exactly did you learn to read English?

seriously people, do you really think that after this long battle between hillary and obama and now between obama and the bush regime, that any living and breathing creature with half of a pea size brain, is really independent? "independent" is the new shield...it replaced "not enough experience, so no to obama"..it replaced "he is elite and can't relate to blue collar"...it replaced he has no foreign policy creds", it replaced "he is too exotic"...it replaced "he doesn't wear flag pins".....

this is damaging b/c it makes it appear that real independents (those who in my opinion are open-minded, experimental/creative in thinking) are idiots..they are not! independents usually challenge both parties to see and think outside of the box...

my bet says those so-called "indy's" are nothing more than Dems who cannot see themselves voting for obama and republicans who really wished they had an "easier on the eye" type of Dem to support....palin makes it ok for all of them to vote against their interest b/c they can say that they are doing a public good and making history by voting for a woman, even if she is unqualified...they don't have to feel bad for voting against obama and negating the historical nature of this presidency....they couldn't stomach mccain alone, but palin makes the pill easier to swallow....

yes sire....i daresay that's the majority of our "indy's" who are still on the fence...a few real indy's in there, but my bet says there are more Dem and a few repubs buffing up that indy stat!...real "indys" tend to be issue-based voters who cross party line and vote in the best candidate..now tell me what has mccain given any of us, DEM, REPUB and Independents to chew on? nothing except POW stories and now we have Palin for snarks...obama is not god, not our savior...

that is why i get up everyday and i do what i can to support this superior team who vow to lead us into the 21st century..but bradly effect is alive and well.....any excuse is a good enough reason to sentence ourselves to more bush years....at least we can justify this one with a FIRST WOMAN VP sham!!

cynical? yes and i have every right to be...when i look at the superb campaigning, the positive message, the detail roadmap to achieving the plans, the hope in the majority of our faces, the zeal in our efforts to support this "change" and yet, obama/biden still stand to lose, not on the issues and their offered solutions to solving some of these problems, but on a technicality based on "division/bigotry/racism and fear", it makes me sad!

i enjoy reading all of your positive posts, but i have to keep the truth and reality of america in perspective....we cannot afford to become too complacent and assume that good policies and staying above the fray politics will win this...if that was the case, kerry and gore would have won...repubs know how to win elections...

for those who believe in god, only a true divine intervention will part this red sea and allow obama/biden to wade through the muck!

"real independents (those who in my opinion are open-minded, experimental/creative in thinking) are idiots..they are not! independents usually challenge both parties to see and think outside of the box..."

Wrong. Independents are usually morons who fall for the most compelling advertising and spin. They don't waste time thinking about politics, but decide based on what Brian, Charlie, Rush, Billo, and yes, even Keith tell them what to think.

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No I don't think so.

Where are George Bush's approvals? Why would you think that after the last 8 years, voters would turn around and do it again? They won't.


one more time: We won in '06. We really won big and it's all set up to win big again. All this woman is is desperation.

We aren't going to lose.


I'm not quite as sure as you are, Tena. Watching the difference in coverage between the conventions (i.e., Republicans got more air time that the Democrats in Denver, while every shit-for-brains Republican that traveled to MN is getting fifteen minutes with Andrea Mitchell), and now the overwhelmingly positive reviews the MSM gave Palin's standup act last night, I'm still thinking the media could bring those independents we need to McCain's side.

Again, I'm not convinced these people won't go back to the Republicans if they can successfully obscure the fact that McCain's policies are no different than Dubya's, and I won't be until the returns are in on election day.

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Disappointments like 2004 can make you think that's the way it's always gonna be.

Truth is, if our candidate had been more feisty and les boring, we would have won.  He was a snoozer, and he lost.

That ain't Obama by any stretch.  Plus what Tena said about 2006 being the start of a sea change.

McSame is toast.  Extra Burnt.  I can feel their pain.  (aka leurs pain brulé.)

Are ANY Democrats getting any air at the Repuke convention? I haven't seen any. Whereas, as you said, reporters were shoving microphones into the faces of every Repuke they could find in Denver. What is the justification for this unequal treatment? Is it possible the Dems didn't push for access and air time and the Repukes did?

So does that mean that I've been suckered by Obama - or do I get credit for making a choice with my own brain if I agree with you?

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I understand what you're saying, but I have to point out that if you click on that map up in the right hand corner and go the sight and you see the real map - it's different. The map on this page is from '04.

It's totally changed. There is no way as long as voter turnout is high, that we can lose. No way.

And this nutcracker of a veep is only going to assure that our turnout is record.

I'm not worried. I'm pissed off that any political party like this - a major party in the running would try to pull this shit on us. I really am just pissed.

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This was meant for cher.

it got displaced.

You underestimate the wars in the GOP. Just because someone is undecided, doesn't mean they will ultimately choose McCain or Obama.

Many are making the choice between McCain and Bob Barr. I know the Ron Paul faction isn't too happy with this Palin thing - and some are likely to jump ship (big question mark for McCain IMO).

Paul support among republicans ranges from the low single digits to upper twenties(depending on state). It only takes a couple percent choosing Barr over McCain to have the same effect Nader created in 2000 for the democrats.

Also, independent and undecided are very different. Independent means that if the dems screw this up when we give them the office, we'll vote the GOP back in the blink of an eye without a bunch of "I've been a dem for 30 years" psychodrama. I'm an independent and strong Obama supporter. No need to diss us.

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I agree.

I think Barr and Paul will benefit from this.

Patience, folks.

I watched her speech like the 37 million others who are riveted to this election, and I thought she delivered it real well. But I'd never, ever vote for her and McCain. And don't forget: Hillary speaks Monday. And the debates are yet ahead. And after Obama's unbelievable comeback from "goddam America" and then "bitter/clinging" and then "celebrity," I'm starting to look forward already to the twists and turns of next week...

The speech was the easy part. She's suppose to do well. Now comes interviews from reporters not hired by US Weekly. Someone without national exposer is typically a gaffe waiting to happen.

http://pufferfish.typepad.com/

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According to Americablog, the campaign now says - no interviews. They will only let her do speeches and no press.

Do you believe this shit?

Complete bullshit. They cannot hide her forever.

Don't be too sure. Remember, the Chimp only spoke in front of carefully screened, sanitized, Stepford audiences. The policy was rigorously and consistently enforced, and no amount of complaining or whining from the left (the MSM was virtually silent) made the slightest bit of difference.

AMEN!

Where's Sarah? Yo, Sarah...come out to plaaaaay.

Sad thing is, I think they will *try* and keep the questioning as controlled as possible...in fact, the *longer it takes*, the higher the stakes are. Johnny's such a gambler...

Noonan,

Exactly! The speech was the easy part. Sara Palin has yet to go face-to-face on the Sunday talk shows besides FOX. She has yet to do a town hall---Palin is all hot-air and no substance. And the McCain has intentionally guarded Palin from the media. Why? because they know without a script from Steve Schmidt Palin can't hold her own.

Hopefully on Monday, Hillary will cease on Palin's unwillingness to meet with the press and call her out.

Seriously. If she's so tough, what's a little press?

AmericaBlog story says: No Meet the Press. She will be sequestered and handled like the last surviving member of a royal family.

60% of Americans think Al-Qaeda was in Iraq before the war. 60% of Americans cannot name both of their state's senators.

America would much better off under a parliamentary system. At least there would be accountability in our government.

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Please do not try to change our constitution.

Please - our democracy works better than any other ever has. Our constitution would have to be scrapped to do what you are saying. I don't want to see the constitution scrapped and start over - are you kidding?

jaysus

Tenax,

LOL...Hell yeah, I'm serious. Under a parliamentary system we could through our government out of office at any moment--hence, George Bush!

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I don't really think it's worth throwing 240 years of this government out the window because of one idiot.

Now, if we get another one - hell, I don't care what you do.

If we get another one - we're fucked.

Like the Hutton whitewash? Or the BAE kickbacks to Saudi Arabia that weren't investigated for "national security reasons"?

Another worthless poll posted by Eric.


>YAWN


Scroll.

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Move up, move up friends - $10 million says Obama is the mand!

By next week we will see how the race is shaping up. If the Repubs see no bump by Saturday they should be incredibly worried. I expect to see a bit of movement though.

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Honestly, I'm not sure you can draw the conclusions you did from that survey. I'd give that speech an A too. And I'd say she's an asset to McCain as well -- I would not have said that before the speech. But I wouldn't vote for McCain-Palin if they were the last candidates on earth. So don't draw conclusions too hastily.

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No offense, but really - are expectations that low these days that you would give that speech and A coming from a vice presidential candidate?

Honest?

I listened as objectively as I could and I kept thinking she'd get there - a couple of times she got close - but she never made it over the Adequate hump.

An A? I really am gobsmacked that people's expectation have gotten that low. I can't believe it.

dan quayle, george bush, dick cheney

yeah the bar is that low

walking OR chewing bubble gum

repuglitards are no longer required to do both at the same time

And, of the independents who gave her an "A," 84% described themselves as conservatives.

The data is full of other little gems like that, if you're bored enough to read them. But it's fairly easy to see that there are a lot of problems with drawing any sort of conclusions, good or bad, from this survey.

And, of the independents who gave her an "A," 84% described themselves as conservatives.

You're not reading it correctly - the 84% is the percentage of Republicans who rated the speech an A.

The percentage of independents who rated it an A is indeed 57%, according to the poll.

The affiliation breakdown was 36%R, 33%D, and 26%I.

The self-described ideological breakdown was 34% con, 14% lib, and 38% moderate.

And, of the independents who gave her an "A," 84% described themselves as conservatives.

The data is full of other little gems like that, if you're bored enough to read them. But it's fairly easy to see that there are a lot of problems with drawing any sort of conclusions, good or bad, from this survey.

And, of the independents who gave her an "A," 84% described themselves as conservatives.

The data is full of other little gems like that, if you're bored enough to read them. But it's fairly easy to see that there are a lot of problems with drawing any sort of conclusions, good or bad, from this survey.

Throughout my voting life of 38 years, I was an independent, or more appropriately, an unaffiliated voter. However, I was reliably a Democratic voter. A few years ago, relentless Republican nastiness made me decide to register as a Democrat to make my loyalties clear. So, as the earlier post alleged, I'll bet that the overwhelming majority of independents polled for approval of the speech were in fact Republicans in all but title. Will Palin pull independents into the McCain column? In the strictest sense, probably, but only those who were already Republicans in all but name. I can't see any independent who tended to vote Democratic, deciding that McCain is the one for him because of his Veep choice.

Obama passed corporate welfare for oil companies?
Jesus H Chrysler!! What fucking universe is this?

i'm getting worried.

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Something is wrong with that SUSA poll:

Did you hear Sarah Palin's speech at the Republican National Convention last night?

75% Yes
24% No

75% of Americans did not hear the speech.
75% of Indepdendents did not hear the speeach.
What is this group representative of?

The right has railed against Obama for just being able to give a good speech. Now that the honeymoon is over the media can fully explore all the scandals and false narratives of Palin. They are even hiding her from the media and stopping her from doing interviews. The American people won’t stand for that.

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Something seems wrong with the SUSA poll that, frighteningly claims that independents and moderates have been strongly swayed favorably by Palin's speech.

The Claim:

Overnight, the percentage calling the Alaska governor an asset to the campaign climbed 13 points; the percentage calling her a liability fell 17 points... among moderates, who 24 hours ago viewed Palin as a liability by an 11 point margin; today, Palin is seen as an asset by an 18 point margin.

The Problem: Question 1: "Did you hear Sarah Palin's speech at the Republican National Convention last night?" 75% answered Yes.

Am I right to be calling b.s. on this...?

No way 75% of a truly representative sample of registered voters, independents or moderates, heard Palin's speech!?!? The ratings were good but they were not that good!

C'mon... this cannot be valid representative sample of the general American voting public, independents or moderates? It has to be skewed to those predisposed to want to tune in, oversampling those predisposed to be swayed favorably, those already Republicans or Wingers.

796 ot of 1061 in survey say they heard the speech.
75%!?!? WTF?!?!
The Superbowl and the final episode of MASH combined did not do that good.

The only methods explanation I see is:

Filtering: SurveyUSA interviewed 1200 adults in two separate surveys, on 09/03/08 and 09/04/08. In each survey, those identifying themselves as registered voters were asked the questions which followed.

FYI - other demographics of poll group = Overall% (Heard Speech%):

Male = 48% (49); Female = 52% (51).

Age: 18-34 = 29% (26); 35-49 = 28% (29); 50-64 = 26% (26); 65+ = 18% (19).

Race: White = 76% (78); Black = 10% (9); Hispanic = 8% (7); Other=6% (6).

Party affiliation: Rep = 36% (40), Dem = 33% (29), Ind = 26% (27).

Ideology: Con = 34% (39) Mod = 38% (38) Lib = 14% (12).

Income: $40,000 = 70% (72).

Region: Northeast = 19% (19) Midwest = 23% (22) South = 36% (36) West = 22% (23).

Now, I suppose they did some statistical adjusting. Maybe. Perhaps.
But if the original sample is hopelessly biased in the statistical sampling sense, then it is B.S.

Right?

Is this poll invalid or what am I not getting that validates it?

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A little perspective:

Electoral-vote.com today:
Obama 298 McLame 227 Ties 13

That has Obama up 20 EV's from the previous report. The difference is OH which electoral-vote.com now puts in the "barely D" column (a flip from "barely R").

The "exactly tied" state is VA (13 EV's).

Other races:
Senate: D 56 R 43 Ties 1 (unchanged since last report)
House: D 243 R 192 (D +1 R -1)

Pollster.com: Obama 260 (231 strong, 29 leaning); McBush 179 (115 strong, 64 leaning), Toss-up: 99
National trend: Dem.

Not as big of a change here. Unlike electoral-vote.com, pollster.com still has OH in the toss-up column. Obama's EV's are steady in this aggregation. McLame picked up 3 previously-undecided EV's since the previous pollster.com report. Guess which 3?

Toss-up states at pollster.com include NV, CO, MT, ND, OH, VA, NC, FL, NH

And FWIW, electoral-vote.com has a "this day in 2004" link. On 4 Sept 2004, e-v.com had Kerry 252, Bush 270.

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