« Palin's Speech Watched By Nearly As Many As Obama's Acceptance | Home | Obama Responds To Palin Attacks: "I've Been Called Worse On The Basketball Court" »

Poll: Obama's Lead Disappears In Wake Of Palin Announcement

A new CBS poll finds that John McCain's pick of Sarah Palin could be causing some big problems for Barack Obama, with Obama losing his whole lead that he enjoyed just a few days ago.

The numbers: Obama 42%, McCain 42%. A CBS poll from four days ago had Obama up 48%-40%. So while McCain has only gained two points, Obama has lost six points. In last week's poll Obama was ahead among women by 14 points, while he's now ahead by only five points.

On the other hand, today's Gallup and Rasmussen polls haven't shown any significant movement in the race yet, with Obama still ahead.


83 Comments

| Leave a comment
user-pic

Seems pretty hard to link this to Palin, since most of the movement is from Obama to undecided. Could the Palin announcement really have made people decide they don't want to vote for Obama, but not that they do want to vote for McCain?

I smell an outlier.

Yeah, it's an outlier...Gallup and Rasmussen say Obama's lead is still healthy. This is a poorly presented article by Eric. As always, take a look at pollster.com before responding to a single poll, especially a national poll.

user-pic

Eric, like most of the dead tree media, likes to have sensationalist screaming headlines.

Let's see what the other polls show tomorrow.

user-pic

I smell a jerry-rigged poll.

Check out the analysis here.

What it comes down to is that CBS manipulated the D/R weighting on a small sample size, so as to falsely tighten the contest.

If you increase the percentage of Republicans in your poll by 5% of the total, guess what? Odds are that close to 5% more of all of your respondents will favor the Republican candidate!
user-pic

Quick! To the Panic Room!!

Definitely not ready to panic, definitely not like I was worried before. I think part of the worry before was that strategically they weren't doing the right thing. Now I'm confident that they're all over it. The GOP will get a bounce. And then Obama kicks it into high gear.

I commented before about how huge FL is and how it's great that Hillary is going to campaign there on Monday. I think Barack is going to go hard for FL and I think that will help him in other swing states as well. Gotta keep up the small ball, but unless something big changes, I think Barack has the right strategy to run up the EC well over 300.

Have her give some more speeches. Obama can use the money that she raises for him

Eric, are you part of some elaborate joke that Josh is playing on all of us?

Christ are you useless when it comes to talking about polls.

user-pic

There's the Democracy Corp poll which shows Obama up, taken 9/1 - 9/3.

So maybe the story should be "conflicting polls", rather than a lead disappearing?

I lifted this good analysis from the comments section of FiveThirtyEight. It explains the CBS poll nicely:

A little math on the CBS weighting:

CBS Party ID:
31.1% R
34.8% D
+3.7%

Rasmussen Party ID (9/2/08)
33.2% R
38.9% D
+5.7%

Gallup Party ID (July 2008, last I could find)
27% R
36% D
+9%

(Ras Party ID for July: +9.5%)

Republicans may have substantially closed a party ID gap in the last two months; Rasmussen has been pretty good in 2004 and 2006. (Though that seems to go against all of the voter registration stories.) If you weight CBS more like Rasmussen (instead of like 2004 :P) you wind up with roughly Obama +4. That's more in line with other polls for 9/1-9/3.

This gives us a good baseline for assessing reaction to the Palin and McCain speeches.

Is there any better methodology for identifying party ID out there?

Nice info. Party ID really is the key to these polls. Unless they know how to accurately measure that, it's worthless. And nobody knows how many new voters Obama will attract. That's the big wild card.

http://pufferfish.typepad.com/

user-pic

I'm not buyin' it.

I don't think polls matter that much anyway yet, especially not national polls.

McCain gained slightly, but Obama lost everyone he had gained?

No, it just looks like its the 1 in 20 effect.

"according to a new CBS News poll conducted Monday-Wednesday of this week"

Isn't this the exact same period other polls found Obama way up over? I don't think looking at single polls in isolation is ever a good idea with a presidential race... :|

at least he raised $8 Million since yesterday thanks to Palin!!!

I gave due to her.

Same.

Just to give a link on that...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Palin_raising_for_Obama_.html?showall

And on a related note... Has the Obama campaign announced how much they raised in August yet? Did I miss the announcement?

I haven't heard anything either. I guess they are still busy counting the money. It's a lot of work sorting through all that money Barack usually takes in. :)

I haven't heard anything either. I guess they are still busy counting the money. It's a lot of work sorting through all that money Barack usually takes in. :)

Ha! A poll taken during the RNC and they still can't score a lead.

Even with the best news coverage he's gotten in months, McCain can not pull ahead of Obama. Even John Kerry got a bounce out of his convention.

user-pic

Obama/Biden wasn't even in the news during those three days while Ms. Trailer Trash was. Are we really expected to believe that McCain gained two points with all of the trash swirling around his running mate while Obama lost six points? Sure.

user-pic

"according to a new CBS News poll conducted Monday-Wednesday of this week"

So the effect of her Buchanan-lite speech, Rudi's hissing Voldemort diatribe and Obama's abortion ad don't factor in?

I'll wait till Sept 15 to be really concerned or thrilled by any polls.

user-pic

I have looked at a lot of polls during the last week. Except for this one Obama's bounce seems to be holding. Frankly I am surprised he hasn't lost more ground, and expect that he will over the next few days, but so far this is the only poll to show any kind of shift.

Unless you are already a card carrying member of the Republican base deeply into snark, Palin really didn't lay a glove on Obama last night. She sure didn't give anybody any reason to vote for her or McCain.

Eric,

I'm sorry to ask you but do you have any credentials or background to report or interpret the polls. Honestly? You're know different in your poll reports than junk on TV.

Do you see any correlated tabs that connect Obama numbers to Palin? Please...know your limitations.


I said the same thing when an Obama leading poll was published, they don't mean much.

No, Eric's always been terrible in his readings of the polls. He's been like this since the start of the primary season.

Did Bristol Palin show up with her folks with engagement ring, or is this something new just for photo ops, does anyone know?

I know she had it on the day of the announcement because someone raised a question about the fact that she was wearing a ring on her wedding ring finger. I remember seeing a picture of it on someone's blog.....I think it might've been Andrew Sullivan's but I'm not sure.

user-pic

That's a darned big swing to be legit, Eric. Unless it's confirmed by other polls, I'd be inclined to say it's an outlier.

As for the Palin announcement being bad for Obama: well, every other poll had Obama's lead widening just after the announcement. The CBS poll was taken from Monday to Wednesday. So this would be well post-announcement, and would reflect (if anything) negative backlash over Palin coverage and/or the Republican convention.

That is, again, assuming it's legit. That remains to be seen, and we have reason to doubt it at this point.

It is too big to be legit. This poll is a great example of what's wrong with polls, and why they can't be trusted until much later in the cycle.

Inside the numbers:

Sep CBS Poll:
691 Registered Voters
215 Rep = 31%
241 Dem = 34%
235 Ind = 34%

Previous August CBS Poll:
874 Registered Voters
228 Rep = 26%
308 Dem = 35%
337 Ind = 38%

It's slight of hand. A damn game. They substituted a sizable chunk of Independent voters for Republicans, and dropped Democrats a smidge to boot. But of course, this will be all anyone talks about for another week, in between Palin baby stories and breathless stories questioning if Obama's losing female voters. And I'm disappointed to see the guys here at TPM following right along.

After comparing to the others, this poll it's an outlier. Tied at 42%? I mean, come on!

I think it's an outlier but there are a lot of f@*king idiots out there.

Headlines on Election Central really suck.

Seems like an outlier....way to many undecideds. CBS for some reason always has a lot of undecided voters. Even back in 2000 on election eve they had Gore ahead 44% to 43% over Bush....the only poll to actually have Gore ahead.

Obama leads 50%-45% in Rasmussen, 49%-42% in Gallup and 49%-44% in the new Democracy Corp poll. All were taken in the same time frame. So it is not time to panic. Maybe Eric should put up a combined entry that has all the new poll data.

Polls!

Not too worried. Once America really gets to know
Ms. Palin, the numbers will go back in favor of Obama.

They changed their likely voter model. That has to be it.

That sounds beyond bogus to me! It's just another manufactured poll result to drive the narrative that evil spawn Sarah Palin is a new superstar. I'm not even buying it!

That doesn't make any sense considering all the other polls say he has a five point lead and there has been little to no movement in the tracking polls in 2 or 3 days.

Eric is a dick. Where the hell's Greg?

Since I always apply the Bradley Effect to Barack Obama, he's never been in the lead in my books. The real results will show Nov. 4

Oh my god. Does Eric even read the crosstabs? Do you want an explanation for what happened since the last poll?

They changed their party ID. They decreased Independents by 5 pts (which Obama is winning) and raised Repub by 5 points. Slight of hand party for suc ha shift in two day period. People please look at the stats.

user-pic

I expected as much, and am not disappointed :)

If folks stopped replying to these poll threads then the message might be sent.

No undecided women would swing her way, that is nuts. She is the antithesis of all things female, really. If anything, could one not decide, she would be offensive in her positions, especially hunting moose. Maybe the guy hottie vote or something like that (no guy with taste though) but otherwise, this is wrong.

Isn't it hilarious that whenever a poll comes out showing McCain closing in on Obama that both Eric and the Re(publican)al Clear Politics page have it up before the ink is even dry?

There are polls, and then there are polls. Want to understand the difference?

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/search/label/pollster%20ratings

The CBS/NYT polling organization is statistically shyte.

user-pic

For the love of heaven, Eric - wait 5 minutes and there will be another poll with different results.

Until the next poll, 5 minutes after that.
\


jesus fucking christ

734 registered voters does not a legitimate national sample size make. I'm sure this poll will get a lot of airtime, but it is worthless.

I couldn't mess with that CBS poll before and I definitely can't mess with it now. ALSO we should wait until about October 1st to see where this race is at.

Retarded fucking headline. Seriously, guys, you can do better.

How about this "CBS Poll Shows Palin Bounce".

oh and it's now a blaring headline on the front page! How about the 43-45 Indiana poll that has Obama just behind 2% in the margin of erros\r by Howie Politics? A deep red state this close? Yes--must be excellent news for McCain.

Maybe Eric should put up a combined entry that has all the new poll data

.

No shit.

One of these days I'll figure block quotes out on this janky system.

user-pic

You want me to tell you how?

to open and close the quote, use

to open - blockquote between the arrows

to close - /blockquote between the arrows.


user-pic

I wonder if you could use the stock market as a poll... a stinker today!

North Dakota poll AHEAD by 3 points!!! North Freaking Dakota! That's a good indicator of your rural vote right there.

Don't forget ahead in the electoral college by what 20 to 30 points? That's the big picture.

user-pic

The arrows didn't transfer - I was afraid of that.

you know - regular HTML left arrow at start of code, right at end -

I remember the same hysterical reporting on good Hillary polls by this fellow

Josh, please take him to the fucking woodshed already!

user-pic

She has sucked all the air out of the room since McNuts announced her last week and as many viewers saw her speech last night as saw Obama's, plus nothing got in the way of all Palin all the time today, unlike last week the day after after Obama's speech when McNuts introed her and took all the talkers away. So it's no surprise the polls have changed. The soap opera has kept her in the news up to the pitbull speech last night and beyond.
Once again it's the Turdblossom phenomenon- A flower growing out of crap, something the GOP has been good at.
Obama's got to get an 8+ pt lead to counteract the GOP shenanigans, which will be out in force.

user-pic

She has sucked all the air out of the room since McNuts announced her last week and as many viewers saw her speech last night as saw Obama's, plus nothing got in the way of all Palin all the time today, unlike last week the day after after Obama's speech when McNuts introed her and took all the talkers away. So it's no surprise the polls have changed. The soap opera has kept her in the news up to the pitbull speech last night and beyond.
Once again it's the Turdblossom phenomenon- A flower growing out of crap, something the GOP has been good at.
Obama's got to get an 8+ pt lead to counteract the GOP shenanigans, which will be out in force.

and Obama is up by 3% in ND...So where is the headline?

Are you planning to have one Headline for each poll?

I am just adding $100 for Senator Obama, just right now...

user-pic

Obama back to being tied from an 8 pt. lead?
That's what happens when you change the party ID numbers by 6 pts. increasing the number of Rs in the sample. presto... the numbers change.

user-pic

Obama back to being tied from an 8 pt. lead?
That's what happens when you change the party ID numbers by 6 pts. increasing the number of Rs in the sample. presto... the numbers change.

A little math on the CBS weighting:

CBS Party ID:
31.1% R
34.8% D
+3.7%

Rasmussen Party ID (9/2/08)
33.2% R
38.9% D
+5.7%

Gallup Party ID (July 2008, last I could find)
27% R
36% D
+9%

(Ras Party ID for July: +9.5%)

Republicans may have substantially closed a party ID gap in the last two months; Rasmussen has been pretty good in 2004 and 2006. (Though that seems to go against all of the voter registration stories.) If you weight CBS more like Rasmussen (instead of like 2004 :P) you wind up with roughly Obama +4. That's more in line with other polls for 9/1-9/3.

This gives us a good baseline for assessing reaction to the Palin and McCain speeches.

Is there any better methodology for identifying party ID out there?

not a great poll, smaller number of respondents and a very unimpressive 4 % margin of error -- that means it is a wishy-washy poll.

We need to work hard to get the troops to the polls -- this is shaping up to be a close enough one that we cannot take any votes for granted....

Obama Ahead in Most Polls -- That's the headline I would have written. For some reason, TPM likes to dwell on the negative. Although, I think their coverage in general has gotten a lot better lately.

I find it quite odd the same poll four days ago had Obama ahead, but in the last 48 hrs its a virtual tie. The poll has no concrete data other than usual information. THIS CBS POLL IS CLEARLY AN OUTLIER AND SHOULD NOT BE RELEVANT.

user-pic

Obama has not trailed or tied McCain in the poll of polls since May 1st.

So, while folks freak out and the media work up a storm, keep that fact in mind. You are supporting a candidate that has been in the lead every day for over 4 months. And people wonder why Obama doesn't freak out every time a Republican says "boo"

I find it quite odd this CBS poll four days ago had Obama ahead, but in the last 48 hrs its a virtual tie. The poll has no concrete data other than usual information. This is clearly an outlier. And this is exactly why the national polls are bullshit.

Whoops, double post! The second post doesn't mention that I lifted this from FiveThirtyEight. I'm not this smart!

This CBS poll is another example of a concerted effort by the MSM to deceive the voters into believing the election is close---when it really is not.

user-pic

Since 3 out of the 4 polls taken the same time Sept 1-3 show Obama ahead (Rasmussen, Gallup, Dem Corps), why is TPM focusing on the one poll where it shows that is tied?

That doesn't make any sense at all.

user-pic

Since 3 out of the 4 polls taken the same time Sept 1-3 show Obama ahead (Rasmussen, Gallup, Dem Corps), why is TPM focusing on the one poll where it shows that is tied?

That doesn't make any sense at all.

CBS poll turns out to have been weighted much more towards Republicans than their last poll. and the numbers went up by as much as the R's were over-weighted. not really anything to worry about, other than the sheer fact that so many traditional media sources are willing to throw these bones to the republicans...for whatever reason.

Here's another very good site on polling and analysis:

http://election.princeton.edu/

Damn. You mean nobody here is freaking out over this when I had my best chicken dance lecture on deck and ready to come into play?

*snif* I'm so proud. Talk amongst yourselves. I'm a little verklempt.

people, let's not forget that secretly some dem's want obama to fall flat on his face (some unknown clinton supporters who never really got the "country first" memo).....

phew....with that said, i am tired of polls...i dont get my bloomers in a bunch even when he is ahead...i am going to wait until november to see if we put our votes where our mouths are!!! everyone cheerleading in public is not necessarily a believer...like wise, some of the most vile opponents to an obama presidency just might wake up and find themselves on the right side of the issue come november....

the vote that matters to me is the one they tally up in november...the one that announces obama/biden, the american people and the world, winners!!!

One poll of about 750 people doesn't mean much. The GOP is likely to get a litle bounce but once the euphoria (and delusion) wears off, the Dems will take control. Let's see what the polls say in about 2 weeks.

The problem with Major network polls is with the question ask they can make a poll say what they want to. Some times they don't sample the same amount of people.

thing is with these so called polls and why I am not worried at all on this election is the young gen that voted for Obama in the primaries most will not be registered as they have not got involved in politics before Obama and I don't think any poll has took them in to account

And they will make this in my eyes a massive Obama win

plus all the polls come up with different numbers if they were a real sample they would all be the same plus how do you get a poll that you say shows the way the country is going when you only ask 2000 people

thing is with these so called polls and why I am not worried at all on this election is the young gen that voted for Obama in the primaries most will not be registered as they have not got involved in politics before Obama and I don't think any poll has took them in to account

And they will make this in my eyes a massive Obama win

plus all the polls come up with different numbers if they were a real sample they would all be the same plus how do you get a poll that you say shows the way the country is going when you only ask 2000 people

thing is with these so called polls and why I am not worried at all on this election is the young gen that voted for Obama in the primaries most will not be registered as they have not got involved in politics before Obama and I don't think any poll has took them in to account

And they will make this in my eyes a massive Obama win

plus all the polls come up with different numbers if they were a real sample they would all be the same plus how do you get a poll that you say shows the way the country is going when you only ask 2000 people

user-pic
big problems for Barack Obama

Jesus, Eric. Get a fucking grip.

Leave a comment

Advertise Liberally
Share
Close Social Web Email

"To" Email Address

Your Name

Your Email Address