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Poll: Obama Takes Narrow Lead In Virginia
In a sign that maybe the electoral map isn't contracting that much, a new SurveyUSA poll gives Barack Obama the lead in Virginia, one of the historically-red states that he's been aggressively targeting.
The numbers: Obama 50%, McCain 46%, with a ±3.7% margin of error. In their last poll from just a week ago, SurveyUSA gave McCain a 49%-47% edge.
This poll has Obama taking 39% of the white vote, an improvement on John Kerry's 32% of Virginia whites in 2004. Black voters get him the rest of the way, with 88% of their support.
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They also used 700+ interviews versus the 671 and under they used in previous surveys.
September 15, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Voter registration efforts by the Obama campaign are amazing - and are continuing. MD and DC volunteers welcome - please sign up online!
September 15, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
This poll doesn't mean any more than other polls suggesting the McCain lead, but I can think of a few cynical trolls not appearing on this blog to take pleasure in their dumbfuck satire.
September 15, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't worry, this one will bring them out:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/9/15/121311/781
September 15, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you believe that poll, I have a bridge in Alaska you may be interested in.
September 15, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
haha! Obama is at 50% and outside the margin of error, but it's a "narrow" lead.
You never fail to disappoint, Eric.
September 15, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, now now, you might actually hurt Eric's feelings. I'm sure he takes every lol you write to heart.
September 15, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
hyperRevue--you beat me to it. I guess McCain could not cling to his lead.
September 15, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm. A ±3.7% MoE seems a bit high for that large a sample size. No?
September 15, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
MoE = 3.7% is correct for that sample size:
http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/moe.html
LK
September 15, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Campaign for Change in Alexandria, VA had a huge turnout of volunteers Saturday morning for canvassing. I talked to 5 undecided voters who I know are going to get out and vote for Obama on Nov. 4. A lot of undecideds just need to talk to a normal person who is supporting Obama and they're going to fall our way. This poll is great encouragement for those working to turn VA blue!
Keep Working Hard in VA!
September 15, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
If there is any truth behind the news that Obama negotiated with the Iraqi's in July to delay troop withdrawals he'll have American blood on his hands and can kiss much of his support in Virginia, which is home to a lot of military families.
September 15, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
If there is any truth in the New York Post, I have a bridge to nowhere that im selling on ebay...
September 15, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
HA! Nice...
http://thepajamapundit.com/
September 15, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
You aren't even coherent anymore. So sad.
September 15, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Consider the source and the paper it was written in.
September 15, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
If there is no truth out, there why bring it up?
September 15, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, so it's Obama and the Iraqis who are stopping John McCain from bringing our troops home - glad you cleared that up.
September 15, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was included in an op-ed - not a news story - penned by neo-con Amir Taheri. If you believe him based on nothing but his word, I have a Bridge to Nowhere you might be interested in.
September 15, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Partially reposted--guys: "NYP is a rag" is not a good answer here. It is true, but there is no need to engage in what looks like he-said-he-said.
The op-ed Mr. Weaver is concerned about is unsourced and extremely vague on the details.
Why?
Because it is "based" on this:
I.e., Taheri has no fucking clue what he is talking about.
Google the agreement if you do not know what it is.
Not to mention that Superm.. I mean Gen. Petraeus is actually recommending the scale-back to Bush which pretty much destroys the premise of this entire idiotic article.
September 15, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, I didn't use the "NY Post is a rag" comeback, I went the "Don't believe a word Taheri says" route. But like you said, the column isn't based on a complete fabrication, but it distorts reality.
For starters, Obama is referring specifically to the Status of Forces Agreement, or SoFA. You only need one of those if you plan on keeping troops in country. We don't need one in order to leave. We can pack up and leave whenever we freaking want - SoFA's put limits on how many troops you can have in country and restrictions on those troops. The current UN mandate is set to expire but again, that's also only in order to keep troops in country, not to get out.
In fact, if we follow Obama's withdrawal plan, we probably don't even need an SoFA - they are for long-term occupations/presences. (eg - Okinawa...and Okinawans don't like that SoFA at all)
I'm fully behind Obama on this - regardless of who wins in November, I do not think that the Bush administration should be negotiating the SoFA, if there even is one. That should be the new administration's job/responsibility. We saw what they tried to pull earlier this summer when they were trying to get it in by the end of July. The Iraqis weren't buying it anyway because what we were looking for basically amounted to a colonial occupation.
Taheri twisted the facts here, just like he did with the fake, "Iranian government is making Jews wear badges", column he published that had to be retracted. (not by him, though...like all neo-cons, he never admits his mistakes or lies) I didn't bother getting into details because if I had to do that every time Taheri published some piece of propaganda, I'd spend all my time doing just that.
So, Matthew Weaver, did you know any of what I or roo_P just wrote or did you take Taheri at his word? Did you even read Taheri or are you just spewing out Drudge headlines?
September 15, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me just weigh in on Amir Taheri. He is a joke and a total fraud.
As the National Post's "Jews must wear badges" lie demonstrated, Taheri simply makes up facts.
Then he "proves" his facts by making up quotes.
When real journalists try to verify those quotes, they often find Taheri has simply made up the person quoted.
Astonishingly, the N.Y. Post and CNN still treat him like some kind of credible Mideast expert.
He is not; he's the Mideast's Sarah Palin.
September 15, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
"If there is any truth behind the news that Obama negotiated with the Iraqi's in July to delay troop withdrawals he'll have American blood on his hands and can kiss much of his support in Virginia, which is home to a lot of military families."
If there is any truth behind the news that you are a drooling lunatic who writes for that sanitary napkin of a blog called Noquarters, a site started by a pedophile looking, discredited smear merchant named Larry Johnson - then your credibility on all things Obama is in the proverbial shitter.
September 15, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, you have no idea how much I love the Larry Johnson bashing, after the stuff he and his minions called me during the Plame affair. Thanks.
September 15, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
At first I thought Larry Johnson was an old-CIA buddy of Plame who was genuinely pissed at the outing of his friend/colleague. But even during the Plame affair, Larry started to veer into strange conspiracy theories. I think he was also the guy who announced just about every day that "this is the day the Feds are going to get Karl Rove". Never happened, of course. No matter what side you're on, the dude is a goofball.
September 15, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Dude, you have no idea how much I love the Larry Johnson bashing, after the stuff he and his minions called me during the Plame affair. Thanks."
You're welcome, because bashing a colossal douchebag bottom-feeder should be a bi-partisan effort. I saw that he recently challenged Andrew Sullivan to a fight which is pretty laughable - but if the reincarnation of Moe Howard wants to throw hands with a random blogger, sign me the fuck up.
September 15, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
If there is any truth or evidence about what you say then I believe McShame wants to end the war in Iraq. Common', what you say is stupid !
September 15, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
You seriously are the biggest kook I've seen on these boards trolling around. And that's saying something Weaver.
I thought you jumped off the ledge awhile ago.
September 15, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
The internals actually look reasonable - no wacky skew for any demo/region/etc. The D/R/I split is 35/33/23 - in the last polls it was 36/35/20. The male-female ration is 50-50...in the last poll it was 48-52. So this includes more men. Promising but could be an outlier. Not that the race isn't close in VA - it is. But Obama hitting 50 and being outside of the MoE is very impressive. Rasmussen from VA is coming out later today. I'll bet that one shows a 4-5 pt McCain lead - this guess is based on absolutely nothing other than the fact that we can't possible have two pieces of good news coming out of a key swing state in the same day.
September 15, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
What do you think about the black vote? 88% - how does that compare to Kerry? Obama should do equally as well if not better. Plus, I wonder if there will be a higher turnout among black voters this year.
September 15, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
In a 700 person poll, the %age who are black would be small enough that you'd expect the kind of variance that gives you, say 88% instead of, say, 92% which, though basically just pulled out of my butt, is a lot more realistic.
September 15, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly.
In a poll this size, it's best to disregard all results for subcategories.
They are basically meaningless.
September 15, 2008 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
This poll reversal could possibly reflect the thousands of new registered voters that many of the pollsters refuse to include in their polling data. Virginia will be close, its safe to say B .Obama will win the state but by a small margin.
September 15, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://3bluedudes.com/ProjectDatabase.htm
You can see that an increasing number of projection sites have McCain leading int he electoral college. last week there were 3, now 13. The one thing I am not sure of is how many of these sites actually move states base don an average of polls or base don one poll, the latest, which seems kind of ridiculous.
September 15, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know if I believe this or not, but I DO believe that VA is winnable and will be very tight either way. It is a state worth the effort team Obama is putting into it. Remember, Kerry states + IA and VA = victory.
http://strategy08.wordpress.com
September 15, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
And McCain is spent... He's already played the wild card, got the bonus bounce out of that, but not yet the downside to the wild card.
Does he have anything left in that tank?
I imagine the Republicans to be a dead rotting carcass and you roll them over and there is a horrendous stink with all sorts of bugs and crap you can't even imagine. Sounds kind of like the issues Obama will have to deal with on January 21st.
September 15, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did somebody say McSame?
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September 15, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't get too worked about any polls, however I think Virginia is one place where the Palin pick could hurt McCain.
September 15, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's Obama who needs to go for the kill. And he's off to a good start this week.
September 15, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget Flowbee's Whitey Tape. . .
September 15, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
What it does do is add another piece of evidence that will tamp down all those voices saying Obama is sinking like Kerry did.
September 15, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
...the electoral map is quickly narrowing to a traditional grouping of swing states
A couple hours later...
In a sign that maybe the electoral map isn't contracting that much...
Eric,
You may not want to make sweeping predictions based on a few snap shot pills. This is just ridiculous. You sound as if the movement is polls in the eternal reality of this election. It's a poll. Instead, please provide more internals from these polls and we'll make our own interpretation.
September 15, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Correction...
You may not want to make sweeping predictions based on a few snap shot pplls. This is just ridiculous. You sound as if the movement in the polls is eternal reality of this election. It's a poll. Instead, please provide more internals from these polls and we'll make our own interpretation.
September 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
By the time this election is over, I think I'm going to need a few snap shot pills.
September 15, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait. You're expecting Eric to actually read further into the polls and understand them?
Cut him some slack, man! Next thing you'll be asking him to do is start posting relevant news!
September 15, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain down six points in one week! The American people have figured out he's nothing but an empty suit and his campaign is sinking like a rock. They know McCain is a loser who hates America. It'll be a 50 state blow-out for Obama by November!
Hey this is fun - why leave it to the trolls. I should try it with all caps next time.
September 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/proposed-commercial-mac-vs-pc.html
Sunday, September 14, 2008
A Proposed Commercial: Mac vs. PC
(White background. Childlike piano music plays)
(A picture of Barack Obama appears against the background)
VO: (Similar to voice of "Mac" character): Barack Obama is like a Mac.
(A picture of John McCain appears against the background)
VO: (Similar to voice of "PC" character): John McCain is like a PC.
(Picture of a bank against the background)
VO: McCain likes the old economics, corporate welfare, and tax breaks for the wealthy of George W. Bush.
(Quick cuts: Picture of Countrywide Branch, Picture of Bear Stearns, Picture of IndyMac, Picture of Lehman Brothers against background)
(Picture of Obama)
VO: Obama doesn't like old systems that crash.
(Picture of a mother, father, son and daughter against the background)
VO: Obama thinks that when it comes to health care, every American should have the access and support they need.
(Picture of family fades to blank background)
VO: McCain is against these health benefits for children, families and the elderly. He believes that when it comes to access and support for health, it's an "ownership society"--you're on your own.
(Picture of a woman standing against background)
VO: For women, McCain talks a good game, but he is against a woman's right to choose, would repeal Roe v. Wade, and even voted against equal pay for women.
(Picture expands to show many women standing behind her)
VO: Barack Obama believes that every woman should be paid the same for the same work as every man, and that every woman has the right to make her own choices.
(Picture of George W. Bush)
VO: Barack Obama has called for an end to the distortions, mismanagement, and failed policies of the Bush Administration that have left so many families in distress.
(Famed picture of McCain hugging George W. Bush)
VO: McCain has agreed with George W. Bush 90% of the time.
(Picture of McCain)
VO: John McCain. Do you really want to spend another four years with the same old system?
(Music outro. Fade.)
Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/proposed-commercial-mac-vs-pc.html
September 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
That poll shows Obama taking 88% of AA vote? Lol again undestimation, if Mccain gets 5% I will eat a barrel of lard mixed with rotted fish heads. Eric you are a wanker, truly dude it doesnt even seem like reluctance to report good for Obama and take almost a gleeful doom tone when Mccain shows well. If you lean that way then fine say so rather that the the lame alternative.
September 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two questions for any experts or Virginians who might have any insight:
1. Will Mark Warner and the gubernatorial campaign have nay impact on turnout for Dems and/or Repubs?
2. What kind of impact might a motivated African American vote have on this race?
September 15, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mark Warner can't hurt, especially if he campaigns for Obama. It's hard for people to understand why Warner is so well-loved in Virginia when he is even more liberal than Kaine, who won by less, but it's because he has really rolled up his shirt sleeves to work on economic issues in Southwestern Virginia.
Obviously, if African Americans turn out in greater numbers, that will help Obama. I think they were 21% of the vote in 2004. Greater Hispanic turnout would also help. I canvassed in a latino stronghold in VA, and let me tell you, they love Obama.
As someone on Kos said, there are many Virginians, espcially in No Va, but also in the military intensive eastern part of the state who probably (and perhaps rightly) think they would be more qualified than Palin to be VP. John Warner hates these neocon religious fundie Palin types (like Ollie North too) and his opinion means a lot to more moderate Republicans, who have been trending I in leaps and bounds because the state party is so whacko now. I am still astounded that the R party went out of its way to make sure that Tom Davis would not be the R's candidate for senate. They are truly nuts.
September 15, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
kash, Eric is a clown with no competence. He is simply not capable of analyzing a poll.
September 15, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg Sargent: Obama goes from a tie to a statistical clinging to a lead in Virginia
September 15, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
That should be Eric, of course
September 15, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not sure why it would be "striking" that McCain would get a little bump in the DC burbs -- he and Palin campaigned in Fairfax Co. just before the poll was taken.
September 15, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Knock it off. This is one of the best sites on the internet, and Eric and others do a great job, and don't deserve that crap.
September 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
(that was supposed to be a response to psmdsfc's gratuitous dis)
September 15, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chuck Todd said today that McCain could very well be at his high-water mark. If that's true, than this poll is great news, since even if it's a bit off, Obama could stand to gain even more ground in the state. At the least, it's one of many hints that the bounce has crested.
September 15, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even in the ad today about the crisis, he had to end it with drill baby drill. He has no new ideas. Just his sparkling personality.
September 15, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
What? Talking about his VP choice AGAIN?
September 15, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think "bilge-water" mark would be a more accurate description.
September 15, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carthage,
Can you provide a link? I've tried to sign up to help at the DC and Virginia for Obama sites, and haven't heard anything.
September 15, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Either way, good news. Obama needs to win this week and this poll gives some needed optimism. VA would be huge, I don't think it will happen. But it would be massive.
New Obama Rumor: http://tinyurl.com/6jb7l6
September 15, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
this poll is geat fucking news for us poll junkies. if mccasshat loses virginia...it is fucking over. survey usa is no big friend of obama either. always under predicted him in the primaries. so eat that mcasshat! would really love to see the confederacy start to crumble.
September 15, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
SUSA was actually bang-on by pollster standards during primary season, at least until IN/NC (which everyone missed).
September 15, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quote: ""If there is any truth behind the news that Obama negotiated with the Iraqi's in July to delay troop withdrawals he'll have American blood on his hands and can kiss much of his support in Virginia, which is home to a lot of military families.""
Actually my answer =) If there is any truth or evidence about what you say then I believe McShame wants to end the war in Iraq. Common', what you say is stupid !
September 15, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Virginia. Close to DC and the WaPo. I suspect there are a lot of NY Times readers as well.
Maybe VA voters are better informed about the choices?
September 15, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
True in Northern Virginia. But central Virginia is covered by the very right-wing Richmond Times-Dispatch (the despicable Eric Cantor's district...that should say it all).
September 15, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually though, Virginia is a case where Mark Warner could bring coat tails in Obama's favor instead of the other way around. Warner is about 20 points ahead in the race for senator.
September 15, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for putting this headline back up on the front page. I know "balance" has its good and bad points, but balanced poll reporting would actually be an improvement around here since TPM usually under-reports the good poll numbers for Barack.
September 15, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget that Virginia elected the first black governor in the US, Doug Wilder, in 1987. Virginia will vote for a black man for high office, as demonstrated before, though he won by less than 1/2 of 1%.
Northern Virginia is trending increasingly Democratic, with even the once solidly Republican outer DC suburbs going more Democratic and electing Dems.
September 15, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rasmussen in hving it tied:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/virginia/election_2008_virginia_presidential_election
Obama moved up a point, and McCain down a point.
September 15, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink