I'll say it again.

Just another example of Obama having shown better judgement about foreign policy than his opponent and detractors. Most importantly, he did so well before it occurred to other key players. Our country needs that kind of leadership right now.

Seems to me Obama and Petraeus are both giving a sober-eyed assessment of the situation in Iraq, while McCain and his apprentice are talking in irresponsible bromides. Doesn't suggest agreement, but it does demonstrate who are the adults in the room.

cliche after cliche...

We're told Gibson asked for two extra minutes and used it to ask Palin whether she agrees with the "Bush Doctrine." Among Palin's responses:

• "The top priority is to defend the United States of America. I know that John McCain would do that."

• "With new leadership comes opportunity to do things better."

• "War has got to be a last option."

• "If a strike is imminent we have every right to defend our country...and that's what a McCain/Palin administration would do."

• "In order to stop Islamic extremists we must do whatever it takes. We must not blink, Charlie."

Should've asked Petraeus if he knew what "ending the war with honor" means. Because I'm pretty sure the phrase doesn't make any damn sense. Are we supposed to bow to sensei or something?

Does the Obama camp still have daily conference calls with the press? Maybe they should draw the press's attention to what Patraeus said. Or let Biden do it. In any case, they have to take the initiative.

Breaking!

palin supports and calls war with Russia as neccessary.

Lol, I did a quick Google for more info and found Petraeus also said that the surge shouldn't be solely credited with the progress in Iraq. That it all started with the Anbar Awakening and we could've reduced violence without the surge. He basically validated every single stance Obama has taken against McCain on the surge.

Thing is, he said that shit to Newsweek like three weeks ago and it was barely a blip on the radar.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/25/petraeus-mccain-victory/

So why would this be any difference? The MSM's gonna abandon the juicy Palin soap opera and actually start reporting the news? Lots Of Laughs.

This follows on what I said earlier about Obama...

So let me get this straight, during her first 'interview' (quotes remain until she is in a hostile encounter with a reporter who asks follow-ups and doesn't take no for an answer) and she basically calls for a war with Russia??!

She realizes, I'm sure, that means a thermonuclear engagement killing tens/hundreds of millions, right?

Look, I'm all for being a foreign policy hardass when necessary. I realize that energy politics are the engine that drives the geopolitical world. 'the spice MUST flow...' and all that. Got it. But realism is a key aspect of how that is all dealt with and those in the 'know' have said for years that it was a mistake on our part to so quickly jump on the path of encircling Russia with NATO members rather than trying to seriously attempt to co-opt them as much as possible while slowly changing them and the region and expanding NATO but not to their borders so as to not prematurely create a provocation that can't possibly be in our best interests. It's a long-standing debate in foreign policy circles with its roots in the first Bush administration trying to determine what to do with the cold war victory. Some folks (very reasonably IMHO) thought that the encirclement approach was a mistake simply because it invariably led to a situation where we have to play nuclear 'chicken' with the Russians since there isn't a real winner there. What's worse, all of that discussion and thought took place in the context of us actually being in a position to do something if necessary as opposed to what Bush has left us with which basically has us bluffing and playing chicken with nothing more really backing our position that our strategic nuclear capacity.

The point of saying all that is to simply underscore that whatever the best option it is certainly not as simple as she just made it seem and millions of Americans won't get that when they see this. That frightens me because people need to understand on a very serious and real note that there is NO possibility of a war between us and Russia that does NOT go nuclear and if it goes nuclear it will be a true apocalyptic nightmare. This is not a subject for platitudes and talking points! I hope there at least was a follow-up to underscore if she really 'got' it or not.

So I guess the McCain camp will be running an ad against Petraeus that he hates America, is a defeatist, and is not patriotic.

its funny I have been having this fight with a guy on youtube he said the war is won and we should stay have bases there

I told him its not won till we are out and they dont go back to kill each other then the insults started

but this is also a guy that said this about Vietnam

No, sorry, we actually did help Vietnam. After the war was over and we signed a peace treaty North and South Vietnam were reunified a year later.

part he seems to miss there was no reunification the north invade the south just goes to show how some voters don't know what is going on in the world