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If this freakshow wins, I am soooooo moving to Canada!!!

ENOUGH!!!

When asked if this represented a change in US, or GOP policy, a McCain campaign spokesman said "Moose POW baby hockey Jesus mom Negro maverick. Did I really say 'Negro' just then? Oops."

The bad news, folks, is that Obama has also favored NATO membership for Georgia.

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/08/obama_nato_membership_for_geor.html

What the hell is he thinking?

Watch this very carefully!

At around marker :48 or :47 there is a clear cut, but the subject matter remained the same.

Just how much of this interview was edited, and how many retakes did Sarah get until she got it right?

What a show...

PEACE

Sorry, got so upset I forgot the link:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5778018&page=1

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She sounds like a college junior.

There must be some serious beef between the Alaskan and Russian fisherman in the Bering Strait. Gov. Palin is ready to bring it!

And let's be frank, she's basically pushing McCain's belligerent position. So, this should come as no surprise. Hell, I'd be shocked if she articulates any policy differences with McCain. That's why she's irrelevant for our purposes.

If you like foreign policy by the seat of your pants, then vote McCain. It's really that simple.

Fundies are about as selfish as it gets. Half-gods, they believe in the comodditization of all Creation in favor of being responsible for even one, decent adult relationship.

Fundies stopped aging emotionally at about 14, 15 tops. They must be treated that way.

And the fundie known as Sarah Palin is toxic to the United States. No doubt about it now.

War with Russia?!?

The disturbing part isn't the bit about NATO or Georgia. It's at the end where she says that it is dangerous for the world to allow Russia to control the energy supplies coming from Russia.

According to Sarah Palin, Russia should not be allowed to control it's own oil supply.

But these are some of the stupidest questions possible.

Charlie Gibson: Are you ready to be president?

Sarah Palin: Of course!

CG: Okey doke.

It looks like Gibson just asked her a bunch of questions she could answer in the affirmative without any chance of being actually challenged. Hey, Charlie, asking if it takes hubris isn't a challenging question. It's a chance for her to say no, it doesn't take hubris. You need to throw her lack of qualifications back in her face, not give her the chance to reassert something that is clearly untrue.

Reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

What's with the single camera?? Why no close up of her face -- where you can see expression, eyes, etc??

When I first saw this headline, I thought, "wow huge gaffe!" In reality though, she's completely right. If Ukraine or Georgia were in NATO and Russia invaded them, the U.S. is legally bound to act. (so maybe we shouldn't admit every country into NATO just because it's a 'democracy')

Quote from Palin on ABC, "And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable," she told ABC News' Charles Gibson in an exclusive interview.

Another bulls... lie. Georgia began the conflict. A proper response would be, "And Russia's retaliation was too severe. Those were mostly Russian citizens the Georgians began shelling.
Palin is now Bush's Cowgirl! Ridiculous.

"...those democratic nations, I believe, deserve to be in NATO..."

What about checking to see if Ukrainians and Georgians actually want to be in NATO? Apparently, Georgians do, but The Ukranians aren't so sure.

Half of Ukrainians opposed to Ukraine's membership of NATO, poll indicates

Just watched this on ABC. She doesn't know what the Bush doctrine is.

Damn it, *I* knew what the Bush doctrine was, because it pissed me the hell off. I can still remember that moment as the moment when I realized "Whoa -- these people are Not Good."

That ought to be a deal-breaker, though I know it won't be.

She Does Not Know This Stuff.

Woman sounds like she doesn't know shit about anything. TPMers could give better answers to these questions.

I can't believe there's a significant percentage of Americans who want this as their VP, to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

She didn't even know about the Bush Doctrine. It looked like Charlie tripped her up on that one. The Bush advisors giving that foreign policy crash course didn't teach her about the Bush Doctrine?

Alright. It is inevitable.
If McCain/Palin win the election, Russia will invade Freedonia on Jan. 21, 2009.
And then we'll all be in the soup. Quack. Quack.

My feeling is that it will go very well among the public. I don't see anything wrong when she says that if Georgia is part of the NATO, then NATO has to go war against Russia if necessary. She WILL be viewed STRONG on Defense.

The Republicans under estimated Bill Clinton in the past and now the Democrats are under estimating Sarah Palin. If McCain wins because of Palin's popularity, then McCain will NOT run in 2012 giving the presidency to Palin. Even Senator Hillary cannot beat her in 2012. Mu gut feeling is Hillary will run for Governor of NY if McCain wins this time.

Alright. It is inevitable.
If McCain/Palin win then Russia will invade Freedonia on Jan. 21, 2009.
Then we're all in the soup. Quack. Quack.

"Rule 1, on page 1 of the book of war is: 'Do not march on Moscow.' ... Rule 2 is: 'Do not go fighting with your land armies in China.'"

Field Marshal Bernard L. Montgomery (Viscount Alamein) in a speech in the House of Lords on 30 May 1962

MacArthur also supported this statement. War with Russia is a horrible idea considered only by lunatics. Experienced, war-tested generals agree.

A war with Russia would be a horid tactical MISTAKE!

this lady sounds like bush, and people love that, and thats fine, but damn it, she sounds like bush, what she said about Lincoln/god/war sounds straight out of bush's mouth

Oh, come on, y'all. You know that McCain is a better warrior than Napoleon. Piece of cake.

I'm not sure I understand what the issue is here. In particular, which of the four presidential or vice presidential candidates opposes NATO membership for Georgia? Obama supports NATO membership for Georgia too.

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/08/obama_nato_membership_for_geor.html

What am I missing?

It was like a very awkward job interview.

"can you do the job?"

"of course. I never question anything I say or do . . . or don't do. . . or will do. . . or haven't done. . . "

"fine."

Palin's greatest strength is your low expectations. She is not nearly as bad as W was while he was running for "Pres-dent."

Same thing in a debate with Biden--she doesn't have to win, just not have a Quayle moment. And even if she does "do the Dan," remember who won that election.

Folks that want Obama to win should stop the snarky cheap shot against Palin and start to refer to her as a formidable political reality, the way Obama does himself. Start saying things like, "Biden had better bring his "A Game" to the debates--she's a very quick study and is pretty good on her feet."

These polls are becoming suspicious

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/11/mccain-obama-joint-appearance-planned-last-week/

These polls are becoming suspicious

FL poll: McCain 50, Obama 42

Sept. 10 poll of 511 likely Florida voters by InsiderAdvantage/Poll Position: John McCain, 50 percent; Barack Obama, 42 percent.

Age 18-29: 46 percent McCain, 49 percent Obama
Age 30-44: 43 percent McCain, 44 percent Obama
Age 45-64: 53 percent McCain, 43 percent Obama
Age 65+: 59 percent McCain, 32 percent Obama

White: 56 percent McCain, 36 percent Obama
Black: 19 percent McCain, 79 percent Obama
Hispanic: 43 percent McCain, 42 percent Obama

Reasons for skepticism: John McCain is neck and neck with Obama with voters under 30? And Obama is doing worse than John Kerry among African-Americans?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/11/mccain-obama-joint-appearance-planned-last-week/

Ha! It was so obvious that she didn't have a clue what the Bush Doctrine is. And then when Gibson asks what she interpets it to be she say "His world view". WTF? That sounds like an answer an 8th grader would put on a history test when they didn't have a frickin' clue. THEN after Gibson gives her the answer...she still gets it wrong, saying that it requires an "imminent" threat.

Sounds like someone needs some more study time!!!!

It's worth keeping in mind that it's in ABC News' interests to hype the heck out of the Palin-wants-war-with-Russia angle. And Palin is clearly discussing what would be an obligation under NATO.

Thanks for posting this, but please dispense with the qualifiers. This political hack is an ignorant, in-over-her-head warmonger. We should say it -- over and over and over again. Especially the part where she is reflecting the impulsive, hotheaded views of her dangerous, warmongering running mate.

Fuck it all. For every gaffe, nail them to the wall.

well, at least i know where CNN's head is. their breaking news banner said, until they fixed it a couple seconds ago: "Obama, Palin Meet at Presidential Forum: Ready to Serve."

A big country invading a small one.... hhhmmmmmm where did that happen last?
Did you know _ Iraq under Saddam Hussein (Yes, I know he was a dictator!) was the only secular government in the middle east apart from Israel?

What did our invasion do? Maliki and his men will be toast and Muqtada al-Sadr will take over Iraq the minute he gets a chance, and the scary thing is the Mullah is only 35 yrs. Be afraid be very afraid of spreading democracy abroad.

Let Alaska secede (remember Alaska Independence Party) and they can invade Russia, Go girl!

Boom goes the dynamite!!!

A lot of people will be asking her why Georgia is so important to the US.

Regarding the following Palin comments:

1. "I believe that under the leadership of Ahmadinejad, nuclear weapons in the hands of his government are extremely dangerous to everyone on this globe, yes."

2."We have got to make sure that these weapons of mass destruction, that nuclear weapons are not given to those hands of Ahmadinejad, not that he would use them, but that he would allow terrorists to be able to use them.So we have got to put the pressure on Iran."

Ahmadinejad is not the leader of Iran. He is the president, which according to the Iranian constitution, means he's second banana. He certainly does not have his finger on the nuclear button. That responsibility falls to the true leader of Iran who is, fittingly, known as the Supreme Leader--also known as the Ayatollah Khamenei. Anyone who doesn't understand this basic fact clearly doesn't understand Iranian politics. That would seem to include Sarah Palin.

Lessee, we managed to avoid a hot war with Russia for the 60 years of the Cold War; getting through the Berlin airlift, Korea, Cuban Missle Crisis, Viet Nam, Prague Spring, Dr. Strangelove (Kissinger), Nixon's Last Days dementia, the Afghanistan invasion, fall of the Berlin Wall and the break-up of the Soviet Union. Now we are going to incinerate civilization over Georgia? Because McCain is so desperate to be Prez before he tips over, that he sold his soul to his handlers in choosing a neophyte hick to help with his demographics? If we hand over the reins of power to these nutjobs then we are as doomed as doomed can be.

Geographical tidbit: we have Little Diomede Island, in the middle of Bering Strait, and 4 miles away from Large Diomede Island, that belongs to Russia.

I do not know if one needs a special permission to fly to Little Diomede, but one can probably see one island from the other most of the time.

Concerning Russia, provoked/unprovoked etc., it is hard to say something reasonable and yet good enough for the general public. In a nutshell, we can take absolutist position and deny that Russians, ugly nationalists, barbarians and authoritarians that they are ever have a valid point, and try to score point after point which clearly will cost them dearly. There are two small problems. One is that at occasion they are right, even though they are ugly nationalists etc. E.g. even Georgians do not claim that they did not provoke Russians, but that Russians provoked them first etc. A larger problem is that by stoking fever on that point in USA we incite the same in Russia, and they also can score a bunch of points in a manner that will costs us dearly. E.g. it is up to Russians to decide how good quality arms Iran will get, and believe me, these arms can be good enough to make any attack on Iran very, very expensive -- which in turn can make Iran very, very cheeky.

It is really worthwhile to find some ways of compromising with Russia in a way that would spare Russia the cost of our retaliation and us, the costs of Russian counter-retaliation.

I do not know how to make a snappy point out of it, but if we get into some quasi Cold War with Russia, part of the blowback will go to Middle East, Israel and Afghanistan. In the long run, we can survive all of that crap. Israel, I am not so sure.

It's also worthwhile to note that the large majority of Ukrainians don't want to be in NATO. And it should ultimately be Ukraine's decision, not America's, whether Ukraine is a member of NATO.

I don't know what Georgia thinks, but I assume they would be up for it after recent events.

Still, America isn't the dictator of NATO. In both cases, the other member nations, many of which are much closer geographically and should therefore have some weight to their opinions, would probably not go for Georgia, and perhaps not Ukraine either.

It's also worthwhile to note that the large majority of Ukrainians don't want to be in NATO. And it should ultimately be Ukraine's decision, not America's, whether Ukraine is a member of NATO.

I don't know what Georgia thinks, but I assume they would be up for it after recent events.

Still, America isn't the dictator of NATO. In both cases, the other member nations, many of which are much closer geographically and should therefore have some weight to their opinions, would probably not go for Georgia, and perhaps not Ukraine either.

you guys need to get your spin down, and your terminology correct. she was "taking a tough stance."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/11/palin.abc/index.html

why would the mccain campaign let a clip talking about war with russia be leaked/previewed on sep. 11th? dumb.

why would the mccain campaign let a clip talking about war with russia be leaked/previewed on sep. 11th? dumb.

Stupid Twit: Well ya know I live in Alaska and we can see Russia from there.

Wallace if he wasn't giving the REPs a handjob: Yo! You stupid Twit . . . Russia is over by Europe. Acorss the Berring Straights you can see what USED TO BE U.S.S.R. this is as fucking stupid as McInsane declaring that we could strike Pakistan across the shared Iraqi border . . . Just how fucking clueless are you assholes?

Will someone, please, just ask her who the president of Russia is?

The current president, that is.

Thanks.

Stupid Twit: Well ya know I live in Alaska and we can see Russia from there.

Wallace if he wasn't giving the REPs a handjob: Yo! You stupid Twit . . . Russia is over by Europe. Acorss the Berring Straights you can see what USED TO BE U.S.S.R. this is as fucking stupid as McInsane declaring that we could strike Pakistan across the shared Iraqi border . . . Just how fucking clueless are you assholes?

I just want to respond to a comment above, but it's in the middle of the page, and fear no one will see this. It's about how Putin is just like the Neocons.

Newsflash: The Neocons wish they were a tenth as smart as Putin. Hell, I wish they were as smart as Putin. Because Russia has handled the last eight years, in geopolitical terms, absolutely perfectly. Russian power is way higher in both absolute and relative terms, and it has the capability to project its influence where eight years ago it had none.

American imperial tendencies are bad enough. It's even worse that we can't even play at empire effectively.

I just want to respond to a comment above, but it's in the middle of the page, and fear no one will see this. It's about how Putin is just like the Neocons.

Newsflash: The Neocons wish they were a tenth as smart as Putin. Hell, I wish they were as smart as Putin. Because Russia has handled the last eight years, in geopolitical terms, absolutely perfectly. Russian power is way higher in both absolute and relative terms, and it has the capability to project its influence where eight years ago it had none.

American imperial tendencies are bad enough. It's even worse that we can't even play at empire effectively.

Two issues ...
1st Yes the American people ARE that stupid. Remember they voted Bush twice (after we had a tase of his daddy)
2nd Maybe like most of the rest of the US McCain and Palin are so fired up about Georgia is because they think it sits next to Florida ... I see the rally cry now ... "Don't let the Ruskies destroy Atlanta
ha ha ha .... oh wait it isn't funny ... just sick.

But let's not forget. Yes, these are the same lies from the neocons, but the American people are dumb enough to fall for it again.

Josh,
I am a democrat and I used to like you incisive analysis. In the last six months or so you became daily kos variety (Blind opposition and reporting of dirt without any logic). Your articles from day one on Sarah Plain are reflective of that. I would have expected you to provide an objective insight why they choose Sarah Palin and what democrats response should be. Instead you became hysterical Josh and people are noticing it. This is what actually happened:

GIBSON: And under the NATO treaty, wouldn't we then have to go to war if Russia went into Georgia?

PALIN: Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help. [Emphasis added]

She is NOT going to war with Russia. I am extremely disappointed with change of tone of your blog

She sounded so angry and defensive -- even the voters that don't care about the content of her answers and just like that she's spunky have to see that.

If Americans were NOT that stupid, would the polls be where they are???? If Americans really WERE that tired of Bush/Cheney - shouldn't the polls be reflecting that? If after 8 years, nearly half of Americans can still be in favor of McCain/Palin, how the heck can Obama change that in 51 days????
Yes, Bush has lousy ratings. WHY are McCain's rating not the same???
If Americans were NOT that stupid, would they have re-elected Bush in 04?
Same thing is gonna happen - they're going to be alone in the polling booth and then think, you know, he really doesn't have enough experience. At least Palin is tough. And there goes the election. BUT, they'll tell themselves that because they aren't honest enough with themselves to admit that they just can't vote for a black man.

Americans ARE that stupid. They re-elected Bush in 04. They are STILL in favor of McCain/Palin - even more so with Palin on the ticket. Explain that! If after 8 years of Bush/Cheney, they are still saying they'll vote Republican - how can Obama change that in 51 days????
Here's what's gonna happen:
they're alone in the voting booth. They'll think: you know, he really ISN'T that experienced. Palin is at least tough.

There goes the election, just like in 04. Except this time, they'll THINK that only because they're not honest enough with themselves to admit the truth: they really won't vote for a black man for president.

GIBSON: Would you favor putting Georgia and Ukraine in NATO?
PALIN: Ukraine, definitely, yes. Yes, and Georgia.
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May be better to ask Ukrainian and russian people in Ukraine?Mrs.Palin wants to make WWIII by Saakashvili.He will help her
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