Palin Hits Campaign Trail, Keeps Up Attacks On Obama
Sarah Palin made her post-convention debut on the campaign trail today in Wisconsin, and left little doubt that she's going to keep playing her "pit-bull with lipstick" role with gusto.
Palin seized on Obama's interview with Fox's Bill O'Reilly last night, in which Obama said that the surge had succeeded beyond our "wildest dreams," a quote that Fox has been flacking madly as news, even though Obama has repeatedly said the surge has worked militarily. In her comments today, Palin quoted directly from the interview (as per CNN):
Senator Obama said that the surge "succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.""I think, said Senator Obama, "that the surge has succeeded in way that nobody anticipated." I guess when you turn out to be profoundly wrong on a vital national security decision, maybe it's comforting to pretend that everyone else was wrong too.
But I remember it a little differently. It seems to me there was one leader who did predict success, who refused to call retreat and risked his own career for the sake of the surge and victory in Iraq, and ladies and gentlemen, that man is standing right next to me, Senator John McCain.
While Obama has predicteds that the surge wouldn't work militarily, and has since revised his position on that narrow point, his broader position is that the surge hasn't produced the political reconciliation it was supposed to -- precisely what he predicted and continues to say now.
It's clear that the GOP believes that they have found a possible game-changing gaffe in Obama's "wildest dreams" quote. The pit-bull in lipstick is likely to keep snarling about this one for some time.















They found a gaffe, but Greg, have you heard anyone else refer to it as "game-changing?" If not, that strikes me as a bit of hyperbole. It's only a gaffe as far as McCain can keep the focus on the surge anyway.
As long as Obama says, "I'll fix the economy and they won't," he'll win.
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September 5, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not saying that I think it's game changing, just that it's clear that GOPers think they have
September 5, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because nobody is paying attention to what's happening in Iraq in the last couple of weeks. But the time they do, Obama will be trapped trying to get out of this with "political reconciliation"
September 5, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
It sucks trying to get out of a trap with the truth.
September 5, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
What would you know about truth?
September 5, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, was political reconciliation not one of the main aims of the surge?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_troop_surge_of_2007
September 5, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I'm sorry. I was under the impression that one of the main objections of the surge was political reconciliation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_troop_surge_of_2007
I guess you'd better contact the White House to let them know their position paper was wrong.
September 5, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK smart guy, since you have been paying attention explain to us why the facts on the ground have changed. Have you read Woodward's account of what happened?
It's amazing how people still seem to think that military force can prevent internecine struggles. When the Mahdi army and the Sunni's give back their weapons then I might believe anything has changed.
Floor is yours, Cassandra.
September 5, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could you guys just grow up! NONE of the Democratic candidates ever denied that "the surge" reduced casualties. It did. Fact. To that extent it "worked." And no one, not even O'REilly, is claiming that it has brought about the Iraquis taking charge, being responsible for *maintaining* the lower level of violence, and advancing their development of a workable political structure. To that extent it has not "worked." --- Nothing new has happened .... or been said!
The Republicans are simply banking on the American people to be stupid enough and/or partisan enough to think that a half-sentence is some kind of big concession or breakthrough. And maybe they're right -- say it enough times and maybe they'll believe it's true. But Obama said nothing that he hasn't said before (and nothing any senitent being who's paid attention already knows.)
Next issue ............
September 6, 2008 7:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Still playing to the base. Nada on the economy to reassure anxious independents. Ain't gonna work.
September 5, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Any day the focus is on the Iraq war is a good day for Obama.
September 5, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's biggest problem on this is that like George Bush, he is not mature, experienced, and confident enough to say he was wrong.
September 5, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Obama's biggest problem on this is that like George Bush, he is not mature, experienced, and confident enough to say he was wrong."
..and your biggest problem is that Larry Johnson keeps pelvically treating your prostate like a pinata. Shut the fuck up asshat.
September 5, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is that what republicans mean by "drill baby, drill"? It kinda makes you wonder. Speaking of drilling, anybody see larry craig at the convention?
September 5, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Larry Johnson's a Dem.
September 5, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Larry Johnson is not a Dem, he is an Independent who has said on his "website" that he will vote for Bob Barr this election. . .
September 5, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really, wow, you are so smart. What does that have to do with my post?
By the way, still waiting on the facts supporting the claim that your team are allegedly mavericks and reformers. Convince us. Thanks.
September 5, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Umm...No, he's not. He's a registered Republican.
September 5, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
We'll sell him to you cheap.
September 5, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's just like you saying "She's got more experience..." - it doesn't make it so.
September 5, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Umm...No, he's not. He's a registered Republican.
September 5, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Such language... No substance, just a foul mouth. So fitting and typical of the Dear Leader's cult following. I'm sure you mommy is very proud of your mastery of the English language.
September 5, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Such language... No substance, just a foul mouth. So fitting and typical of the Dear Leader's cult following."
..he said, while very slowly wiping Larry Johnson's "essence" off of his top lip. Listen fucknuts, you contribute to that shitstain of a discredited blog that links Obama to terrorism when they aren't questioning his birth certificate. Being lectured on vulgarities from the likes of you is like receiving hygiene tips from a pig, or dating advice from a rapist.
September 5, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
'Dear Leader??'
Dude, that's so last year.
Smarter trolls, please.
September 5, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
O fuck you you disingenuous White Supremacist asshole.
How's that for language? Did I embarrass you and your delicate sensibilities?
I sure as shit fucking hope so.
September 5, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
HusseinTenaX,
No, but I do plan on quoting you and your ilk as prime examples of the caliber of writers here on TPM and supporting Obama online. Obama's 15-minutes are up and so are yours. It is really incredible the continued gutter talk you all devolve to rather than undertake substantive discussion. But what is to be expected? First, you call any critic a troll, then you spew forth every derogatory rant, racist comment, and foul mouthed language you can muster. Wow, must make you proud.
And hiding behind your anonymity so your own family and friends won't know what low life you are online. If you're old enough, does your employer know this is you?
September 5, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
(Just in case Tena doesn't get back here to answer this)
Tena doesn't hide behind anything. I know more about Tena than anyone else on this board...she has her own picture as her avatar (when we have avatars) for chrissakes.
And that's a little scary talking about if her employer knows that this is her or not. Sounds like you should be supporting the Republicans and their authoritarian regime, you jackass.
September 5, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
O goody!
Please be sure and let me know where you make my statements public.
And what you say -
Cause I'll be watching you - and you better be careful.
September 5, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
O goody! Be sure an let me know just where you make my statements public so I can see what you've said.
And you better be careful.
I really am a lawyer. My husband and all our friends are lawyers.
September 5, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
"No, but I do plan on quoting you and your ilk as prime examples of the caliber of writers here on TPM and supporting Obama online."
It seems rather odd that someone who writes for the blog equivalent of a soiled adult diaper would have the sack to openly question anyones writing ability. By the way, what's Larry Johnson doing challenging Andrew Sullivan to a fight? Tell your inbred master that there are bloggers willing to accept his clumsy challenge, because if his ability to tell the truth is anything like his fighting skills, he'd get severely fucked up.
"Obama's 15-minutes are up and so are yours. It is really incredible the continued gutter talk you all devolve to rather than undertake substantive discussion."
Again asshat, you provide monosyllabic sub par commentary to a blog read by raging racists and people who believe that "Mississippi Burning" is the perfect date movie. Being lectured on decorum by the likes of you is downright hilarious. Shut the fuck up jackass.
September 5, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
"No, but I do plan on quoting you and your ilk as prime examples of the caliber of writers here on TPM and supporting Obama online."
It seems rather odd that someone who writes for the blog equivalent of a soiled adult diaper would have the sack to openly question anyones writing ability. By the way, what's Larry Johnson doing challenging Andrew Sullivan to a fight? Tell your inbred master that there are bloggers willing to accept his clumsy challenge, because if his ability to tell the truth is anything like his fighting skills, he'd get severely fucked up.
"Obama's 15-minutes are up and so are yours. It is really incredible the continued gutter talk you all devolve to rather than undertake substantive discussion."
Again asshat, you provide monosyllabic sub par commentary to a blog read by raging racists and people who believe that "Mississippi Burning" is the perfect date movie. Being lectured on decorum by the likes of you is downright hilarious. Shut the fuck up jackass.
September 5, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Goody - be sure and let me know where you make my statements public - I'll be interested to know what you say.
September 5, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's McCain's biggest problem?
September 5, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh right! McCain is the answer, experience counts.
September 5, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm trying to remember, has John McCain ever said it was a mistake to vote for the war authorization?
September 5, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
these people really give me heartburn...at some point someones got to ask them what they plan to do besides promise not to be obama, right? is that really enough for them this year? to promise that electing them means not electing a black man?
they have such and empty house in their heads.
September 5, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude...Obama's just promising to not be Bush...what's the difference?
September 5, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
domestic and foreign policies
September 5, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Appropriate that McCain was standing in front of the Walter Reed Middle School where Matt Santos launched his campaign: everything out of that woman's mouth sounds like it was scripted by the West Wing writers for a Bartlett foil.
September 5, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
To some sounds good now! Will she continue to tour with McCain?
September 5, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oilbama needsd to stress that he is the one who voted for his buddy Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy Bill and that McCain voted against it. He needs to stress that he is a much bigger lightweight empty suit than Sarah Palin. He needs to stress that he is the one that is friends with Racists like Rev Wright, Terrorists like William Ayers, and Slumlords like Rezco. He needa to point out that while facing a true American Military hero he did not serve in the Armed Forces and has a bitchy wife that was not proud of America until people started fawning all over her cult leader husband.
September 5, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
All the garbage you threw up I was fine with until you went after Obama's wife. No class.
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September 5, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you need to stop listening to Rush Limbaugh.
September 5, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like someone is desperate and can't win on the issues, so they have to spew obviously false garbage. Pretty pathetic. Does the fact that your ignorance makes me feel far superior to you make me elitist?
September 5, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oilbama needsd to stress that he is the one who voted for his buddy Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy Bill and that McCain voted against it. He needs to stress that he is a much bigger lightweight empty suit than Sarah Palin. He needs to stress that he is the one that is friends with Racists like Rev Wright, Terrorists like William Ayers, and Slumlords like Rezco. He needa to point out that while facing a true American Military hero he did not serve in the Armed Forces and has a bitchy wife that was not proud of America until people started fawning all over her cult leader husband.
September 5, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain didn't love his country until after he was a POW. And you still want McCain?
September 5, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oilbama needsd to stress that he is the one who voted for his buddy Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy Bill and that McCain voted against it. He needs to stress that he is a much bigger lightweight empty suit than Sarah Palin. He needs to stress that he is the one that is friends with Racists like Rev Wright, Terrorists like William Ayers, and Slumlords like Rezco. He needa to point out that while facing a true American Military hero he did not serve in the Armed Forces and has a bitchy wife that was not proud of America until people started fawning all over her cult leader husband.
September 5, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quit spamming the threads with your same lame comment over and over and over.
Greg- he's fucking up what little bandwidth we've got - can you ban him if he keeps this up?
September 5, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hyperbolic in the extreme for anyone to call Obama's comment a "game changer." Your posts recently have been excellent Greg, but this one is off the mark.
September 5, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg is saying that the alleged gaffe is the GOP's wet dream.
September 5, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone have a shred of evidence that the public gives a single crap about "the surge"?
The surge could be the best thing in the world, but it wouldn't have been necessary if we weren't in the war in the first place, and a plurality of people think we shouldn't have been.
If you come up with a clever plan for putting the fire out in your living room after you fell asleep smoking a cigarette, at the end of the day you're still a dumbass who burned his living room down.
This counts for exactly zero with anyone outside of the dead enders.
September 5, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
exactly. iraq is off the radar screen. it's the economy and nothing but the economy. People aren't going to be saying "he won't help fix this country, but I'm going to vote for anyways because gosh darn it he all for the surge."
September 5, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
The majority still thinks that the war in Iraq was a mistake. The Iraqi government supports Obama's timetable to withdraw the troops. The end
September 5, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought Sarah was heading back to Alaska?
If she's still on the trail, surely she can find some time for an interview with the press.
September 5, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dem BillC needs to top stealing oxygen from the rest of us
September 5, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kind of ironic for Palin to be harping on something Obama said in an interview, since she hasn't, ya know, sat down for one of those yet. Even with the Loofa.
September 5, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love to hear Sarah Palin talk about how she remembered the events of the surge being played out. She doesn't remember a damn thing about it because she wasn't paying any attention to it.
September 5, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you!
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/palin-surge-wha.html
Good grief! Can this woman tell the truth about anything?
September 5, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL, she's not insisting the surge is working. She's insisting that McCain didn't flip flop on it and Obama did. But nice try, good for kindergarten.
September 5, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not talking about her conclusions, I'm talking about this line specifically: "But I remember it a little differently."
I'm calling bullshit on that.
September 5, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup yup.
"But I remember it a little differently. It seems to me there was one leader who did predict success..."
Good illustration on how to take things out of context and spin them.
September 5, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
What are you talking about???
September 5, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
What are you talking about???
September 5, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
What are you talking about???
September 5, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
At this point, he/she/it doesn't know.
September 5, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you even READ my post? I was pointing out that she was claiming to "remember" details of something that she clearly hadn't even been aware of or had only paid a cursory amount of attention.
Save your condescension for the times when you might have the thinnest of straws to grasp on to.
September 5, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
At this point, there is no "truth" in the Repub campaign. All she has to do is look good and not fuck up.
September 5, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's one pitbull I actually wish had been in Michael Vick's kennels.
September 5, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too bad Palin doesn't know what she is talking about, as usual. I can't blame her though, foreign policy isn't her forte. The Surge had some effects, as we all knew it obviously would, but the vast majority of the decrease in violence (are you taking notes Sarah?) was due to three other major events, not related to the Surge, namely:
1) Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr declared a unilateral ceasefire to regroup, which had a dramatic impact on the fighting.
2) "Successful" ethnic cleansing has also had an impact on violence. Obviously when you've killed or scared away most opposition, you run out of people to kill or scare away. Yes, and this all happened under our watch.
3) The US cut deals with many Sunni (pro-Saddam) tribal groups, supplying them, our "former" enemies with weapons to use to go after al-Qaeda. Oh yeah, and the Shia-dominated Iraqi government is now antagonizing these US-armed groups. That'll end well.
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/06/mccain-says-bringing-troops-home-not.html
Now I'll let you take your notes to Joe and have him explain all of those words to you. Take your time, I know it is a bit more complicated than supporting the Bridge to Nowhere, before you were against it of course.
September 5, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which is why we need to snarl right back at her. Dammit.
September 5, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
It looks like the McCain campaign will successfully keep Palin wrapped in a press-free bubble while they just trot her out for stump speeches and fundraisers. Nobody in the media is questioning her disturbing lack of access.
September 5, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yet.
September 5, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Likely never. The media is literally afraid of the Republicans. I saw Chris Matthews on Morning Joe either yesterday morning or the day before stuttering like a dolt because he was afraid of saying the wrong thing about Sarah Palin.
I mean Chris Matthews? They've got -Chris Matthews- scared of this woman?
The media is shook. The only people who ain't are probably Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maadow (can't wait for her show on Monday).
September 5, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
After all of the incoming he took over his comments about Hillary, he may be afraid to say something inappropriate about her, but in his defense, he has been all worked up the past couple of days about the war the McCain campaign has declared on the press.
September 5, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
And this is a problem. It's how incumbents get their advantage, they limit interviews and get their press secretaries to make statements etc. No gaffes to fuck things up.
This is a dangerous strategy here for the Dems.
Dems need to take a page from Nixon. He went after his first Senate seat against a woman, and used every trick he had... I am not saying Obama/Biden should use Nixonian smears, but they need to realize that a false notion of chivalry will lose the election.
AND, PLEASE, OBAMA/BIDEN... do NOT outsource this to Hillary. That will backfire, make people wonder why Hill wasn't chosen- best case, and worst case: Hill will be ineffective and everyone will look like fools on the Dem side.
Obama/Biden need to bash Palin and ignore McCain. People have already written off McCain.
September 5, 2008 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
That statement will make a very nice :30 commercial for the Republicans and I'm sure they will milk it for all its worth.
In the meantime, this provides a welcome distraction from the fact that the Trooper-Gate investigation is being moved up. But, there is one other thing happening that may impact her and that is the upcomong trial of Sen. Ted Stevens. Nothing in Alaska happens in a vaccuum - this man was the linchpin for her pork supply. Did she somehow benefit, directly or indirectly, in this same manner? What could come out at trial? She was schooled by working on his 527...I wonder if there is anything there. The timing could be interesting.
September 5, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not sure of the logic of this attack. Setting aside the nuance in Obama's statement, if they spin it that he admits the surge was a good idea, I can't see it hurting him much with anyone who has not already decided to vote against him. Doesn't seem like such a negative attribution to me even distorted as it is.
On another topic, I am a little surprised that Gallup hasn't moved much at all.
September 5, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to disagree with Obama. It is NOT CLEAR that the SURGE has worked to accomplish anything. Maliki walks around handing out 8k to people on the street. The Insurgents were hired as security guards. The Army is teaching job skills to unemployed Iraqi men. There are many, many causes of the cooling down of violence--with has not entirely disappeared--but the country is still gripped by political gridlock. To say that all of this was achieve by men with guns is to give service to wish fulfilling thinking.
The surge didn't do shit. Get real, people.
September 5, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's so nice that McCain has found a spokesmodel to speak for him.
September 5, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too bad Palin doesn't know what she is talking about, as usual. I can't blame her though, foreign policy isn't her forte. The Surge had some effects, as we all knew it obviously would, but the vast majority of the decrease in violence (are you taking notes Sarah?) was due to three other major events, not related to the Surge, namely:
1) Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr declared a unilateral ceasefire to regroup, which had a dramatic impact on the fighting.
2) "Successful" ethnic cleansing has also had an impact on violence. Obviously when you've killed or scared away most opposition, you run out of people to kill or scare away. Yes, and this all happened under our watch.
3) The US cut deals with many Sunni (pro-Saddam) tribal groups, supplying them, our "former" enemies with weapons to use to go after al-Qaeda. Oh yeah, and the Shia-dominated Iraqi government is now antagonizing these US-armed groups. That'll end well.
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/06/mccain-says-bringing-troops-home-not.html
Now I'll let you take your notes to Joe and have him explain all of those words to you. Take your time, I know it is a bit more complicated than supporting the Bridge to Nowhere, before you were against it of course.
September 5, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to disagree with Obama. It is NOT CLEAR that the SURGE has worked to accomplish anything. Maliki walks around handing out 8k to people on the street. The Insurgents were hired as security guards. The Army is teaching job skills to unemployed Iraqi men. There are many, many causes of the cooling down of violence--with has not entirely disappeared--but the country is still gripped by political gridlock. To say that all of this was achieve by men with guns is to give service to wish fulfilling thinking.
The surge didn't do shit. Get real, people.
September 5, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
That statement will make a very nice :30 commercial for the Republicans and I'm sure they will milk it for all its worth.
In the meantime, this provides a welcome distraction from the fact that the Trooper-Gate investigation is being moved up. But, there is one other thing happening that may impact her and that is the upcomong trial of Sen. Ted Stevens. Nothing in Alaska happens in a vaccuum - this man was the linchpin for her pork supply. Did she somehow benefit, directly or indirectly, in this same manner? What could come out at trial? She was schooled by working on his 527...I wonder if there is anything there. The timing could be interesting.
September 5, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
The point of the surge was to create the conditions necessary for the assumption of control by the Iraqi government so we could get the out.
Why can we not just ask McCain this very simple question:
If the surge has been a "success" - in other words the conditions are now such that we can pass control to the Iraqi government - why are you still arguing that we need to stay?
September 5, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin doesn't know what in the hell she is even talking about with these quotes. She didn't even concern herself thinking about the war as late as 2007 because she was focused on Alaskan business. Of course what did she concern herself with in the four years before she was in office?
With news that Lieberman is giving Palin a crash course in foreign affairs, I think now would be the opportune time to bring out the "Sunni/Shia" confusion with Lieberman whispering the corrections in McCain's ear spot.
September 5, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Translation: Working lobbyists for earmarks that McCain was railing against.
September 5, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pit-bull's already sounding yappy.
September 5, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, this is hilarious. The Daily Show's take on rambo of the North's speech. I love the lead in, its so . . . . republican. Take that you islamo-fascist commie pinkos.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184095
I still can't believe that pundits claim that her speech was good? Terrible delivery. It obviously wasn't written with her input, but her delivery totally sucked. And yet the wingers in the media are giving her an "A," knocked it out of the park, homerun, etc., etc. Were they watching the same speech?
September 5, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
They were only rating the success of their surge.
September 5, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
All I can say is that expectations in this country have hit the absolutely bottom if that speech was an A for someone running for the 2d highest office in the country.
Please - are we that retarded now?
September 5, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clearly we are, at best, the least non-un-retarded country around.
I keep thinking things are more like they are now than they've ever been...
BTW, as I noted in another thread I am demanding marketing rights for all action figures and wind-up toys if HusseinTenaX turns out to be God.
September 5, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clearly we are, at best, the least non-un-retarded country around.
I keep thinking things are more like they are now than they've ever been...
BTW, as I noted in another thread I am demanding marketing rights for all action figures and wind-up toys if HusseinTenaX turns out to be God.
September 5, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
The GOP may think this a gaffe because they are unable to understand nuance about the military vs. political value of the surge, but from a public perspective, the gaffe here may be with Palin and GOP. The public does not view surge skepticism as a bad thing. What they do view as "profoundly wrong on a vital national security decision" is the decision to invade Iraq in the first place and who is it that was "profoundly wrong" there? The GOP convention showed that they just do not get where the voters are in 2008.
Also note the story on Woodward's new book which says the surge is not even the main reason for the drop in violence.
September 5, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ask her her opinion of the Anbar Awakening? The difference between a Sunni and a Shiite?
September 5, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd love to hear her answer on that one. =)
September 5, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, Chrono! Nice to see you back around these parts.
September 5, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
TROLL ALERT...
Be aware of the following Asswipes: BillC and Matthew Weaver who's probably the same person.
September 5, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, there are actually two people with an uncontrolable desire to convert the masses to McCain using wit, humor, and intellect. They're so good at it, aren't they? One's a crypto racist (well, not so crypto if even I can detect it), and the other is a Travis Bickle wannabe.
September 5, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting critique for someone who didn't even know what the surge was.
September 5, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gaffe? that was not a gaffe. Obama has always said if you add more troops, violence would go down. He said the surge did not accomplish political reconciliation. If taht was really a gaffe do you really think Bill Oreilly wouldve pounced on Obama. Instead Oreilly was left dumbfounded because Obama cleaned his clock.
September 5, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now this is frightening. Off topic but frightening. We are thinking of selling f-16's to iran's puppet state in the gulf, iraq. WTF????? Why on earth would this even be on the radar screen? The minute we are outta there, the shiites will declare a theocracy and blow-up the american fortress in down town baghdad. Then we'll have to worry about them having hi-tech military hardware? Unbelievable.
September 5, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Forgot the link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080905/ts_nm/iraq_fighters_usa_dc
Bottom line, WTF? We can't help them with their infra-structure, electricity, helping the people, etc., etc., but we can sell them freaking high-tech war planes?
Hello, by the way f-16's in iraq can reach isreal. That's what the isreali's used to bomb the baghdad reactor. Maybe that will stop the sale. WTF?
September 5, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting critique for someone who didn't even know what the surge was.
September 5, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Before Obama even began his convention speech McCain was working to control the news cycle with leaks about an "historic announcement" and his VP announcement. And ever since he has been attacking the media to make sure they bend over for him.
Obama has done nothing to change the cycle after McCain's convention speech as CNN replays all of the republican speeches and fawn over Palin for the most part. I know there are advantages for Obama in giving republicans room to make fools of themselves and let the pundits point out the mind-bending contradictions of the republican convention.
I know better by now to second guess what Obama is up to. But I hope he is going to start making news again and stop just reacting to it. It's been republican talking points 24/7 for the past week, I think there might be a few folks who would like to see him take the initiatve back and put all of this BS in perspective. For the country's sake.
September 5, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gaffe? that was not a gaffe. Obama has always said if you add more troops, violence would go down. He said the surge did not accomplish political reconciliation. If taht was really a gaffe do you really think Bill Oreilly wouldve pounced on Obama. Instead Oreilly was left dumbfounded because Obama cleaned his clock.
September 5, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know Obama has been saying for quite some time that the surge succeeded militarily, but he probably should have left out the "wildest dreams" part.
As for Palin, I believe that other than her speech the other night, this is the first time I've heard of her addressing the surge or Iraq publicly. Wonderful that one of our veep candidates didn't really have an opinion or publicly state position on Iraq until about a week ago. Whatever...these facts won't stop the Palin bounce.
From a polling perspective, we'll be back to where we were before the conventions - a statistical tie. Undecideds will almost certainly decrease but it will still be a 1-2 gap between the candidates in the national polls. (I'd bet McCain gets a short-term 2-3 point lead, starting this weekend.) The conventions, as usual, serve mostly to consolidate the base/party.
From now until 11/4, this thing is going to be decided by the debates, the ad wars, and the ground game. My guess is that candidates will cancel each other out in the debates and in the ad wars. That leaves the ground game. Obama has had a clear advantage in that area all year but with the Palin pick, McCain is sure to catch up. While there are only 60 days left, the religious right can mobilize in a heartbeat. Heck, they just need to make a announcement every Sunday at church, maybe something as simple as saying that parishoners should remember McCain and Palin in their prayers.
Don't discount Palin's appeal in the West. If the male indies/undecided crowd out there falls in love with her (hot chick with glass and a gun - woo hoo!), Obama can probably forget about Colorado and Nevada. (and Montana, and the Dakotas) Given the Latino population and increasingly blue tendencies, New Mexico should remain in his corner. And Iowa. That gets him to 264, assuming he holds off McCain in NH and MI. (not a given) And that means that we'll all be up in the early morning hours of 11/5 waiting to see if one or more of Ohio, Florida, or Virginia, end up in Obama's Corner. Just can't shake the OH/FL trap. If all three go to McCain - game over...in more ways than one.
Given the types of folks to whom Palin appeals and doesn't appeal, could it be that Florida is actually Obama's best shot out of the three key states I mentioned above?
Beyond the ground game, the key the rest of the way is to make sure this remains a contest between Obama and McCain, not Obama and Palin. But at the same time, they can't completely ignore Palin - people have taken a shine to her. The surrogates have to get out there and paint her as the radical she is. Don't focus on the experience factor, focus on the policies she supports. Do moderates really want a goofball like here a heartbeat away from the presidency? Doesn't matter if she has 2 years governing experience or 20, she's a goofball no matter how you slice it. Just have to be able to say that in a nice way.
Obama's team has gotten this far by sticking to their strategy. I have faith in them. I'm still optimistic about our chances on 11/4. But am I still worried. Shit, yeah!
September 5, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting critique for someone who didn't even know what the surge was.
September 5, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Pit-Bull is going to be spade and neutered pretty soon.
Andrew Sullivan and NEQ are trying attain the divorce records of Todd Palin's former business partner regarding the alleged Sarah Palin affair. I tell ya...this keeps getting interesting.
September 5, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting critique for someone who didn't even know what the surge was.
September 5, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin is going to keep kicking Obama in the balls until he does something about it.
Finding a woman to fight fight a woman strategy isn't going to work. Unless it Hillary(of course). However, he can beg Hillary all he wants, but she's not going to save him now? She's saving her best lines for the next election cycle.
Obama's gotta do it himself. Frankly, i wonder whether he has the balls to step up to Barracuda.
September 5, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Pit-Bull is going to be spade and neutered pretty soon.
Andrew Sullivan and NEQ are trying attain the divorce records of Todd Palin's former business partner regarding the alleged Sarah Palin affair. I tell ya...this keeps getting interesting.
September 5, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Larry Johnson is not a Dem, he is an Independent who has said on his "website" that he will vote for Bob Barr this election. . .
September 5, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
That wasn't a gaffe. Obama has said similar stuff before.
Again this election will NOT be won on the "surge" but on the economy.
Obama needs to hammer the economy every single day until November 4th.
September 5, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Re: server errors and double posts.
Based on my experience, if you get a server error while trying to post a comment, it's likely the comment did post. Go back and check before trying to repost. I only say this because I've been seeing a lot of double posts and I've actually fallen victim to this a few times myself.
September 5, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain didn't predict success:
September 5, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sarah says, "But I remember it a little differently. It seems to me there was one leader who did predict success, who refused to call retreat and risked his own career for the sake of the surge and victory in Iraq, and ladies and gentlemen, that man is standing right next to me, Senator John McCain."
February 8, 2007, from the floor of the Senate John McCain said, "I am very nervous about this new strategy. I am very doubtful that we have enough troops. I don't know if the Maliki government will be strong enough. But if General Casey is appointed to this position, my confidence will be lowered because it is not appropriate to put someone who does not support wholeheartedly the new strategy in a position where he will be responsible for a great deal of it."
He hedged by both supporting and expressing doubts about the surge. No matter how it turned out, McCain had laid down the politically expedient escape.
September 5, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Presidents decide to go to war, generals decide if a surge is necessary.
Obama got it right on the war,
The violence is down because we bribed the warring tribes, yes payed them to kick out Al Qaida
Anyone knows Palins position on invading Iraq
McCain/Palin have their job description backwards. Can we please invade Iran so we can proof the surge works?
And by the way which war has McCain ever won?
September 5, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Presidents decide to go to war, generals decide if a surge is necessary.
Obama got it right on the war,
The violence is down because we bribed the warring tribes, yes payed them to kick out Al Qaida
Anyone knows Palins position on invading Iraq
McCain/Palin have their job description backwards. Can we please invade Iran so we can proof the surge works?
And by the way which war has McCain ever won?
September 5, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aside from the fact that people are concerned about the economy and not the surge, I think it's important to note that more people probably saw the Bill O interview than will hear this. They heard his response which even got Bill O to back off, agreeing that we're spending billions there (so we can't spend it here).
September 5, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look - people are overwhelmingly against this war and arguing over whether the fucking surge meant anything is a bit obtuse.
I don't think anyone but Repugs and hawks care.
Your'e right - it's the economy, stupid.
And ending the war is a big part of fixing the economy.
September 5, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hell and damnation on this server - this will probably post 5 times even though the server hung up and the comment is lost.
One more time: People are overwhelmingly against the war. Arguing over whether the surge worked is obtuse, in my opinion.
It's the economy, stupid, just like you said - and ending the war is a big part of fixing it.
September 5, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
How can she get away with this comment? She remembers it a little differently? I thought she said recently that she hadn't paid much attention to Iraq.
September 5, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain didn't predict success:
September 5, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
MSNBC just reported that the Alaskan legislature is moving up its Troopergate investigation to Sept 12. Thats next week Friday.
This makes one point clear. Gov Plain made many enemies on her way up on the Dem and Rep side, now they are salivating at the chance to bury her. In other words, what goes around, comes around.
September 5, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Dick Cheney?
Lipstick!
The fact that she avoids the press reminds me of another bad VP pick.
September 5, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
It would be cool if McCain got caught hitting on Palin.
Oh, come on, you thought of that too . . .
:-P
September 5, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, he seems to go for underage blondes.
I don't know if she's his type.
September 5, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know that personally, I am ignoring Eric and his damn polls, but there's one above us if anyone else is interested.
September 5, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
BIDEN, THIS IS WHERE YOU STEP IN...
September 5, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
HusseinTenaX,
No, but I do plan on quoting you and your ilk as prime examples of the caliber of writers here on TPM and supporting Obama online. Obama's 15-minutes are up and so are yours. It is really incredible the continued gutter talk you all devolve to rather than undertake substantive discussion. But what is to be expected? First, you call any critic a troll, then you spew forth every derogatory rant, racist comment, and foul mouthed language you can muster. Wow, must make you proud.
And hiding behind your anonymity so your own family and friends won't know what low life you are online. If you're old enough, does your employer know this is you?
September 5, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
HusseinTenaX,
No, but I do plan on quoting you and your ilk as prime examples of the caliber of writers here on TPM and supporting Obama online. Obama's 15-minutes are up and so are yours. It is really incredible the continued gutter talk you all devolve to rather than undertake substantive discussion. But what is to be expected? First, you call any critic a troll, then you spew forth every derogatory rant, racist comment, and foul mouthed language you can muster. Wow, must make you proud.
And hiding behind your anonymity so your own family and friends won't know what low life you are online. If you're old enough, does your employer know this is you?
September 5, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is she slated to debate Biden? If not, they have to say let her know that anything goes unless she agrees to come out and play like a big girl - along with everyone else. The very fact that she plays by her own rules i.e. hit and run and tatttle telling (like a little girl) - is itself worthy of attack e.g. she can't expect to get away with this in D.C. much less with world leaders.
Play ball.
September 5, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Has the war in Iraq succeeded beyond McCain's wildest dreams?
September 5, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
HusseinTenaX,
No, but I do plan on quoting you and your ilk as prime examples of the caliber of writers here on TPM and supporting Obama online. Obama's 15-minutes are up and so are yours. It is really incredible the continued gutter talk you all devolve to rather than undertake substantive discussion. But what is to be expected? First, you call any critic a troll, then you spew forth every derogatory rant, racist comment, and foul mouthed language you can muster. Wow, must make you proud.
And hiding behind your anonymity so your own family and friends won't know what low life you are online. If you're old enough, does your employer know this is you?
September 5, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Until this woman gives an interview I will continue to treat her as nothing more than a wind-up toy. Pitbull with lipstick. Nauseating.
We are really living in a Banana Republic right now.
September 5, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
O goody!
Please be sure and let me know where you make my statements public.
And what you say -
Cause I'll be watching you - and you better be careful.
September 5, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
O goody!
Please be sure and let me know where you make my statements public.
And what you say -
Cause I'll be watching you - and you better be careful.
September 5, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I guess when you turn out to be profoundly wrong on a vital national security decision, maybe it's comforting to pretend that everyone else was wrong too."
You mean like the republican response to 9/11 and the decision to invade Iraq?
September 5, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I guess when you turn out to be profoundly wrong on a vital national security decision, maybe it's comforting to pretend that everyone else was wrong too."
You mean like the republican response to 9/11 and the decision to invade Iraq?
September 5, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe she should STFU until she completes Foreign Policy 101 "at the feet of the Master".
Someone who as little as six weeks ago didn't know what the vice-President did and hadn't given too much thought to the war in Iraq doesn't provide analysis, they are no more a sock puppet for the rantings of McCain's Rovian acolytes.
September 5, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
START THE CLOCK!!!
CAN TPM PLEASE START A CLOCK COUNTING THE DAYS THAT ARE GOING BY WITH SARAH PALIN NOT SITTING DOWN FOR A NATIONAL INTERVIEW WITH A SERIOUS REPORTER FROM A LEGITIMATE NEWS ORGANIZATION? It's a shame that she could potentially be a heartbeat away from the presidency and we've yet to hear her without a script. So far we're on Day 7.
September 5, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go get 'em Tena...
September 5, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go get 'em Tena...
September 5, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Learn at the feet of the master? From the same guy who keeps confusing Sunnis and Shiites?
She better find a new master.
September 6, 2008 7:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
From:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/65hxld
Saturday, September 06, 2008
What Are The Duties of The Mayor of Wasilla?
Given that Sarah Palin has been Governor of Alaska for less time than John McCain has been running for President, and that, given McCain's age, she could well become President, it is important that we look at the duties that she had in her major position in government--Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska.
Here, direct from the City of Wasilla, are the entire duties of the Mayor of Wasilla (population 9,700). These are the complete duties, as listed by the city:
The duties of the Mayor of Wasilla can be found in Wasilla Municipal Code 2.16. For your convience, the duties are outlined below from WMC 2.16:
Chapter 2.16 MAYOR
2.16.020 Power and duties of mayor.
A. The mayor is the chief administrator of the city, has the same powers and duties as those of a manager under AS 29.20.005, and shall:
1. Preside at council meetings. The mayor may take part in the discussion of matters before the council, but may not vote, except that the mayor may vote in the case of a tie;
2. Act as ceremonial head of the city;
3. Sign documents on behalf of the city;
4. Appoint, suspend or remove city employees and administrative officials, except as provided otherwise in AS Title 29 and the Wasilla Municipal Code;
5. Supervise the enforcement of city law and carry out the directives of the city council;
6. Prepare and submit an annual budget and capital improvement program for consideration by the council, and execute the budget and capital program as adopted;
7. Make monthly financial reports and other reports on city finances and operations as required by the council;
8. Exercise legal custody over all real and personal property of the city;
9. Perform other duties required by law or by the council; and
10. Serve as personnel officer, unless the council authorizes the mayor to appoint a personnel officer.
B. The mayor may appoint a person to the position of administrative assistant and deputy administrator. If appointed, the positions may not be eliminated during the mayor’s term of office without prior consent of the mayor. (Prior code § 2.16.010)
From:
Head of State
Cite: http://tinyurl.com/65hxld
September 6, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
From:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/65hxld
Saturday, September 06, 2008
What Are The Duties of The Mayor of Wasilla?
Given that Sarah Palin has been Governor of Alaska for less time than John McCain has been running for President, and that, given McCain's age, she could well become President, it is important that we look at the duties that she had in her major position in government--Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska.
Here, direct from the City of Wasilla, are the entire duties of the Mayor of Wasilla (population 9,700). These are the complete duties, as listed by the city:
The duties of the Mayor of Wasilla can be found in Wasilla Municipal Code 2.16. For your convience, the duties are outlined below from WMC 2.16:
Chapter 2.16 MAYOR
2.16.020 Power and duties of mayor.
A. The mayor is the chief administrator of the city, has the same powers and duties as those of a manager under AS 29.20.005, and shall:
1. Preside at council meetings. The mayor may take part in the discussion of matters before the council, but may not vote, except that the mayor may vote in the case of a tie;
2. Act as ceremonial head of the city;
3. Sign documents on behalf of the city;
4. Appoint, suspend or remove city employees and administrative officials, except as provided otherwise in AS Title 29 and the Wasilla Municipal Code;
5. Supervise the enforcement of city law and carry out the directives of the city council;
6. Prepare and submit an annual budget and capital improvement program for consideration by the council, and execute the budget and capital program as adopted;
7. Make monthly financial reports and other reports on city finances and operations as required by the council;
8. Exercise legal custody over all real and personal property of the city;
9. Perform other duties required by law or by the council; and
10. Serve as personnel officer, unless the council authorizes the mayor to appoint a personnel officer.
B. The mayor may appoint a person to the position of administrative assistant and deputy administrator. If appointed, the positions may not be eliminated during the mayor’s term of office without prior consent of the mayor. (Prior code § 2.16.010)
From:
Head of State
Cite: http://tinyurl.com/65hxld
September 6, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is not ironic at all.
September 6, 2008 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is not ironic at all.
September 6, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
She has no choice but to attack Obama. She has nothing to say about herself. Because there is nothing to say. This is a woman who was a virtual unknown one week ago and now she's more popular than mccain or obama...why? Is the American public that ditsy....she's attractive and would definitely be a new fixture in washington but the is the V.P. candidate of the U.S. I heard one woman raving "I love her. I love her kids. I love her parents!" - WTF...Either i'm from another planet or I've been abducted by conservative aliens.
The "maverick" is looking more and more like a sidekick...merely going along with the powers that be...he says and does whatever he thinks his champions want to hear. Just like calling lobbyists 'birds of prey' which is a total contradiction to what his true ties with these unnecessary evils in Washington are.
September 7, 2008 5:46 AM | Reply | Permalink