Obama Way Ahead In Today's Tracking Polls
Here's a wrap-up of the four major national tracking polls for today. With one new day of post-debate data within the three-day tracking polls, Barack Obama's lead is growing.
• Gallup: Obama 50%, McCain 42%, with a ±2% margin of error. Yesterday, Obama was up 49%-44%.
• Rasmussen: Obama 50%, McCain 44%, with a ±2% margin of error, unchanged from yesterday.
• Hotline/Diageo: Obama 47%, McCain 42%, with a ±3.2% margin of error, compared to a 48%-43% Obama lead yesterday.
• Research 2000: Obama 50%, McCain 43%, with a ±3% margin of error. Yesterday, Obama was up 49%-43%.
Adding these polls together and weighting them by sample sizes, Obama is ahead by a margin of 49.7%-42.9%, up from a lead yesterday of 49.3%-43.8%.
These numbers entirely span the time since John McCain announced his quasi-suspension of his campaign to deal with the financial crisis, and they include one day of post-debate data. And it looks like that period of time has been very favorable for Barack Obama.
"Way ahead"?
Who are you, and what happened to Eric?
: )
September 28, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
And this is all such a tribute to Obama's campaign for a different politics.
(and of course to mcShame's disHonorable one)
September 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey CT and everyone. Don't mean to hijack your comment. But I just got back from a much needed vacation far far away, and finished reading the NYT piece in today's paper about McCain's ties to the gaming industry. Yeah, the one he regulates as chair of the Indian Affairs committee. I am just so giddy about all that has happened in the past week I've been away, I don't even know where to go with this. McCain is just so damn Mavericky!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/us/politics/28gambling-web.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Do we even need this? If it weren't for the way things are going, this could be very good fodder for some tough attacks. But given Palin being barely coherent (slapped around by the interviewing wizardry of Katie Couric of all people), McCain bumbling throught the financial crisis, and acting like the low ranking monkey in the debate (thanks Josh, I saw that post from an Internet Cafe), I don't even think we need these sleazy gaming industry lobbying stuff. But damn, there's some juicy steak in there. McCain throwing around $100 dollar chips with gaming lobbyists while America goes down the shitter under the Republican Congress/Presidency.....Have I come back to some fantasy land? I mean, even Eric can read a poll now! I love you Eric, just kidding. Man, this is going to be a fun final stretch. I am rested and fired up, ready to go!
September 28, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good to see you back!
September 28, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget McCain's habit of adultery, including that one time he cheated on and eventually abandoned his crippled wife after she was injured in a terrible car accident, remarrying a wealthy former model and beer heiress with connections in a state where he happened to want to run for public office. There's also a children's treasury of Keating Five associations waiting to be explored.
"Do we even need this?" Show no mercy. Give no quarter. These fuckers need to burn.
September 28, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
My inner self agrees.
September 28, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
We have to be VERY CAREFUL with what happens with the bail out package. I have reason to believe that a bunch of Republicans/McCain are planning to use the bailout to ambush Obama and Democrats in the upcoming election. Democrats should support this ONLY with the overwhelming approval of prominent Republicans. The Republicans created this mess, and it is time they find a solution and put themselves on the line. Otherwise these poll numbers wil go down just as quickly as they went up.
September 28, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that's been the plan all along. Not to bring this to a vote till they have like 100 repub votes in the House.
September 28, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama still has to watch his back. As McCain has recently demonstrated, he has no honor or morals. I would not be surprized if he says he's going to vote for this and then backs out the last minute to use Obama's vote against him. We have to watch our back. The Republicans are now scheming to ambush Obama on this vote.
September 28, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget that folks can change votes. So if mcShame and his buddies double-cross the Dems, they can simply kill the bill right then and there.
September 28, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree there part of the reason it has taken so long is the republicans want to make it look like mcsame did it all he is the reason this bill is getting done in the hope of picking up votes glad to see we are not falling for that
September 28, 2008 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's what you can expect tomorrow ...
Bailout talk all over the place and before the market opens a 50 basis point interest rate reduction by the fed. The market will skyrocket tomorrow and McCain and his surrogates will be pointing at themselves saying "It's all because of John's integrity."
Just. Wait.
September 28, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Except nobody believes them anymore...
September 28, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
ditto!
September 28, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's always that "some of the people all of the time..." problem, though.
I think it's now down to about 17%. You can fnd this "give me the neocons or give me death" number in many polls,not very well hidden...best example?
...those Kristolites who have the gall to answer polls saying Palin has more foreign diplomacy creds than Biden; 17% tried to foist that petard on us...WE all are aware that they know better, but they will lie in favor of a Republican every time, no matter how ridiculous.
September 29, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
That train left the station long ago because the Repubs have used that theme so often, no one believes it anymore.
as was said in All The King's Men..."the hicks are getting too smart."
September 28, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
These all include one post-debate day of polling.
For all those who insisted that Obama needed to attack more, there is a different style of politics coming this way for the next eight years.
September 28, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right on!
September 28, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
AdAbsurdum: I, gladly, stand corrected. :)
September 28, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's style of consensus politics is to be respectful and civil, and look for possible cooperation with the other side. It doesn't consist of just rolling over, which is what too many people on the left originally assumed.
September 28, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barack Obama's calm, level-headed approach is proving that there is a real, effective difference between acting like a reasonable adult and acting like a Caspar Milquetoast. This approach is working for Obama. I doubt there are many others who could pull it off. The reason it works for him is because it's who he is. It's not some phony strategic decision, made by a team of advisors ("Barack, we're going to present you as the 'voice of reason' candidate.") Obama has a quality that all great politicians possess: he knows who he is. Bill Clinton has it. JFK had it. Teddy Roosevelt had it. John McCain, long ago, had it. Barack knows the value of who he is. McCain has tossed himself away. That's why he seems lost and floundering.
September 28, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boy, at this point Barack is a safe harbor from the national disaster that is the mcShame game.
September 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. It seems as if all the pundits (like Maureen Dowd today) flail away that Obama didn't land knockout blows or rip McCain's head off. They missed the entire point - most people (especially most non-partisan people) don't want a fight. They want to be reassured that the next president is going to be a reasonable, knowledgable, capable, decent guy who understands and cares about their problems and will sincerely try to solve them.
Seeing Barack be smart and calm and never take McCain's bait - and pass up taking shots at him many times by choosing instead to make a real point - is why Obama's viewed by a majority of those polled as "winning" the debate. This is what they want - not more partisan one-upsmanship, and definitely not an angry little man with a chip on his shoulder. They want a decent, smart, level-headed guy. They found him on Friday night.
September 28, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't even read MoDo anymore. She makes me sick. This is serious business, and she thinks politics is like a junior high school play.
September 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I did like her comment today about how Obama should respond to McCain's surge nonsense by saying: "You're like an arsonist who wants to be congratulated for helping to put out a fire that you started."
September 28, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everytime I see you avy I think of "Lipstick on a pig"
September 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, and after Nov 4 the avatar changes. And THAT my friends is change we can believe in.
September 28, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heh; I'm with you...
September 28, 2008 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
*Is* lost. *Has* lost.
September 28, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are wrong. Attack is the ONLY thing that works in politics. It's all that matters. The more Obama attacks, the further ahead he gets. The only reason this race is close at all is because Obama doesn't attack enough. The only times he's faltered in this campaign is when he let McCain attack him without responding in kind (partly wehuile he was on vacation) and during the Repub convention, when attacks against him permeated the media.
Attack, attack, attack. That's all you need to know. Obama's highest scores from Independents on CNN's real-time reaction meter occurred when he lambasting McCain for being "wrong...wrong...wrong" about Iraq.
September 29, 2008 4:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Attacks should however not be overplayed lest they work against the candidate in much the way they worked against McCain during this same debate.
September 29, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was out canvassing in remote Northern VA yesterday. I was shocked to find so many undecided/lean Obama voters out there. These are people that voted for Bush both times for God's sake!
September 28, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good to hear and thanks for your efforts.
September 28, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. Definitely, thanks!
September 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I canvassed with a buddy in NoVa yesterday as well. It was a very positive experience. Bumper stickers and signs everywhere. Other volunteers out in the neighborhood. People stoked to see us at the door... Yes we can!!!
September 28, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
me too. it was brutal. i was out in the NoVa burbs in a richie-rich neighborhood where apparently they haven't heard of driveways shorter than 1/4 mile. 39 knocks took me 4 hours. the mccain supporters were particularly grumpy the day after the debate, it seemed.
of course, 20-30 minutes of my seemingly never-ending canvassing session was at the house of an undecided, where the guy invited me in, told me all about what he does (runs a contracting unit that embeds grass-roots diplomats with troops in afghanistan and iraq), and chatted with me about the importance of talking rather than shooting, of using persuasion rather than fear, to "win the hearts and minds" of people vis-a-vis democracy. we also chatted quite a bit about parenting.
it was fascinating, but he was still undecided when i left. i AM hopeful, though, that he will pull the lever for obama on nov. 4. and i KNOW he'll be getting another visit from us. :-)
September 28, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
i should add that i'm almost 36, and before this year, i had never donated a red cent to a political campaign, nor had i donated a single minute to volunteering for a campaign. i will be maxing my $2300 this year (giving the rest of it the first week of october), and i've canvassed twice and will be doing so for the next 5 weekends, until i work for Counsel for Change (i'm a lawyer) in the days leading up to, and on the day of, the election.
obama is to me what kennedy sounds to have been to my parents' generation.
September 28, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where were you canvassing? I was way out in Manasas, VA. Apparently things are well in hand closer in and the battle is being taken to the enemy in deep red territory.
September 28, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
i was in so-called "flint hill" -- it is sort of between oakton and reston.
i went to one house where the whole family (mom, dad, and two late-teen kids) were all on my canvassing sheet (i hate that, by the way). anyway, the dad told me he is "lean obama," and that he has NEVER voted for anything other than a republican in his life (he was in his mid-late 50's).
his words to me? "not this time. i just can't do it again after all of this."
his wife was "strong obama."
September 28, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's some powerful shit there. I know from "Flint Hill."
September 28, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love hearing this and I want to thank you for your effort.
You're also illustrating one of the least covered aspects of the race. Whenever the press, or even the blogs, discusses swing voters we get impression that they're talking exclusively about a bunch of crusty blue-collar folks. The fact is that there are a lot of moderate people at all socio-economic positions and a lot of these people are swinging Obama's way. He's brilliantly captured the center while McCain careens violently to the right.
September 28, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
One guy I talked to had a military looking crew cut and was wearing a very visible crucifix over his t-shirt. He'd voted for Bush twice. He told me that he wished Gore had won. This guy is now "strong Obama."
I was listening to an interview with Chris Rock the other day. He said of course America wasn't ready for a black president - but they are Ready for Barack Obama. He also said that America wasn't ready for a black baseball player but they were ready for Jackie Robinson.
Obama has that special something that is captivating the country. If voters in Manasas, VA are leaning Obama, McCain is in deep sit. How cool is it that there's an Obama HQ where the first battle of the Civil War was fought?
September 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just wanted to give a big hand to the folks above out there canvasing. There is so much good work being done around the country... you guys really are my heros after going through the vile version of the "ground game" employed by Rove & Co. in 2000 & 2004. It's you guys that make me pround to be a Dem far more often that then folks we elect into office. Keep up the great work, fellows.
John
September 28, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's my thoughts after mega-canvasssing door-to-door. I think undecided or even those who now are for McCain respond positively to those who are respectful and courteous. (I try to follow Obama's example in this, BTW.)
When that undecided person is still sitting on the fence as he/she drives to the polls in November, thinking about that courteous conversation may be the bit that tips the person to Obama.
September 28, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely. We live in the reddest county in WI and undecideds respond very warmly when you show them respect and ask about their concerns. Being that this is only the ID portion of the canvass, you don't feel as if you have to push your side and people like that. GOBAMA!!! McCain still comes out ahead but we're pushing for only 30% here in Waukesha County and have not heard of any McShame door to door Canvassers.
September 28, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is Waukesha as red as it gets in WI? (thank god I'm in tosa)
September 28, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the bailout parachute drop / debate-ducking antics got a lot of low-information people to pay more attention to McCain't and they clearly didn't like what they saw. On top of that his dickish behavior in the debate is helping to solidify that negative impression. I'm a pessimist by nature but even I am beginning to think it's time for McCrazy to put some jam in his pockets, because he's toast.
Now we get to watch them squirming between now and Thursday- what on earth are they going to do about Caribou Barbie? What fun.
September 28, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
I'm hoping Obama, in addition to saying "He didn't even talk about middle class voters, he only talked about me" includes "And he couldn't even look me in the eyes"...
September 28, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, maybe we thought the McPowlin campaign was psychotic before, but after these numbers, I'm betting we're about to see a toxic orgy of full-on monkeys-flinging-feces angry, batshit crazy insanity from them over the next week to ten days that'll make the last month look like a convention of flower-wearing Quaker hippies.
September 28, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have such a way with words.
I like the monkey reference, in light of the discussion about McCain being a subordinate primate in the debate.
September 28, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope so. Right now many people are genuinely scared and they're just not going to have any patience for that crap. Should be good for another substantial drop in McCain't's numbers.
September 28, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oo I do so hope so!
September 28, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I think that sounds about right, NCSteve. Perfectly in keeping w/the Repub strategy - when you're engaged in a losing strategy that is clearly not working - do MORE of it! Turn up the intensity. Show the public how really, really committed you are to it.
Should be a great show.
September 28, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, the central delusion fueling of the Rebublican electoral collapse since 2006 is the belief that whatever pleases the base will please the independents, undecideds and pursuadeable Democrats because their base="the mainstream."
Not that everyone on our side of the wire are immune to that kind of thinking, of course, but at least the people at the top get it.
September 28, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
During the spin after the debate when the McCain spokesperson was spinning, it was how everything Obama was for was "not the mainstream." After all the reform blather it was a bit jarring. But it's part of their desperate attempt to make Obama "dangerous."
September 28, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wasn't that bothered by Obama saying that McCain was right about things, but I think it would have been a bit more effective to say something like "John is ALMOST right about that, but...."
I get my absentee ballot on Oct. 3 cant wait to put Big O and Franken up 1-0 in Minny.
September 28, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Notice how Obama didn't gain a whole helluva lot in the average, but McCain lost .9 points? Ouch. It looks like it's not really Obama doing BETTER, but McCain just doing a crapload WORSE.
September 28, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
For some time now a careful analysis of the polls has been suggesting that Obama's support was considerably firmer than McCain's, so this pattern doesn't surprise me. This is former McCain leaners reverting to undecided. Even an eventual 40%O / 60%M split in that particular category would bury McCain once and for all, and I think it's going to end up at least that good.
September 28, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
And that's where the Intrade is headed. mcShame just a fraction over 40 now. And Obama getting close to 60.
September 28, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
You could see the same pattern playing out in their respective campaign bounces. McCain's support has always been soft - it goes as quickly as it comes. Okay, now, no Viagra jokes.
September 28, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can imagine that this is often a two step process: losing interest in or respect for one candidate before moving to the other.
September 28, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, come now. I'm sure there's "clinging" in there somewhere :)
No, Eric, you'll never live that down.
September 28, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
A word of caution...
Gallup's tracking is a three day average. Today's report dropped out one day of polling (Wednesday's) that had been very good for McCain: that accounts for some of Obama's three point gain for the day.
Still, the trend upward is pretty clear.
So yes, the McCain is pretty freaked right now. From Camp McCain in the coming days we should expect either:
1) Hail Mary III
or
2) A Karl Rove ChickenSh*t Cheap Shot Special, the Supersized Version...
September 28, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry but that's a false dilemma... it doesn't have to be 1 or 2... but rather 1 AND 2.
;-)
September 28, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Somebody figured out the words!!! Fantastic!
Freedom and justice and liberty. I'm going to lower the working class taxes and make tastier food. John McCain's opposed to Hurricanes. But I voted against him. John McCain voted to ruin your life, eight days. Gotta give it to him, the man's got experience.
Enough(sound bite from Sen. Obama)! This time we won' t take more of the same. It's time for a change. Yeah. You're a wolf in sheep's clothing. Dick Cheney in a skirt. oh, Pretend you don't know. You're running from your shadow. I'm gonna use a better military strategy, and take care of our soldiers
I'm gonna go to Afghanistan myself and brush the dirt of these shoulders. John McCain thought the war was a great idea. He said it would be easy. Now we're all split thin, and have to get what we need to build up in Afghanistan. We've got Wall Street scrambling, Greenspan gasping and you say we're doing just fine. But you can't just sprinkle sugar on a piece of sh*t and convince people that it Easter. Oh, yeah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BZCXLEEsws
September 28, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great visual.
September 28, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is so good!
September 28, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aw, Eric - you're so cute. Obama "way ahead."
LOL!
September 28, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eric's Headline on November 5:
"Obama Clings to Victory in General Election"
I love that kid.
September 28, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
you're good.
September 28, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awe shit.
Now I got to get a paper towel and thanks for nothing for making the Coke shoot out my nose (literally).
September 28, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
September 28, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I totally agree. He's a black man. If he comes across as beating up an old man, charges will be pressed.
September 28, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funniest thing I ever heard about politics (and social commentary) was in the heat of the primaries when Obama beat Clinton in Mississippi.
A black friend of mine said "this is the first time a lack man beat a white woman in Mississippi without being lynched."
I literally was in pain from laughing and trying to simultaneously say that was harsh and sadly still not far from reality.
September 28, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe not. As the inimitable Cheap Pundit said, maybe the big surprise was supposed to be the "Obama crash" in December of 2008 or Spring 2009, but BushCo suffered a premature ejaculation and is now sitting there like a fool covered with its own splooge.
September 28, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Intended for htobar's "A word of caution..."
September 28, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I told my friends last week that Shrub had been praying, had his mommas prayer circle praying and even making Cheney pray that the crash wouldn't happen until Feb.1. And he nearly made it - only 4 more months. Then they just wanted to shout you need to let us throw a trillion at it or the terrorist will blow - oh no, sorry wrong disaster - wall street will blow up. Then McLame solution is to freeze everything but defense. I'm going to start praying and I don't even know a god.
September 28, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Slight OT, but that Pakistan answer that Palin gave was just plain bizarre. From Politico:
I wonder if Gwen Ifill is going to ask about this. And given the poll numbers, how soon will it be before the first Jeremiah Wright ad? Or Bill Ayers ad?
I'm thinking on Friday. That will distract attention from whatever happens during the debate Thursday, and the coverage of the ad will leak over into the weekend.
September 28, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I fully expect a stinkbomb to be released by the McCain campaign on Friday.
September 28, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe it will happen in slow motion... rolling through the entire week... and finally coming to a crescendo on Friday.
September 28, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
But you know, once that ol' "Obama fatigue" kicks in,(thanks for that side-splitter, trolls), the McBoris/Natasha campaign will be back to Catchink moose and sqvirrel. Still ROFLMAO...
September 28, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
you MUST watch this youtube (many of you have probably already seen it, but watch again, for me).
This is how I feel about an Obama presidency.
Dancing TOGETHER.
September 28, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was just awesome.
When it first started I thought - eh, jeez = but you're right. It's awesome. By the time it was over I was laughing and crying.
This world isn't going to get fixed with bullets and nuclear weapons - art, music, even popular culture - that's what brings us together.
Because that is our common meeting ground - these things belong to humanity - art, music, dance, stories - everyone recognizes from deep inside that these things are common to every one of us.
I'm still convinced and always will be that that is how you stop the cycle of violence.
September 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was supposed to be a reply to renegademom about her link. I can't believe it posted above.
Ack!
September 28, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
It helps if you provide a link.
September 28, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
you MUST watch this youtube (many of you have probably already seen it, but watch again, for me).
This is how I feel about an Obama presidency.
Dancing TOGETHER.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY
September 28, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is so beautiful. Brought tears to my eyes.
Wish he could have added a bit from Obama's acceptance speech in Denver.
September 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, that has got to be the greatest video that I have seen on youtube. It was awesome. Thanks for the link.
September 28, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
watched it twice -- breathtakingly beautiful, poignant, significant.
thank you.
would that we'd all commit to joy, understanding, peace.
September 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. Inspiring.
September 28, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
The whole time I was watching it, I kept thinking, "This is what the entire world will be doing on the day George W. Bush leaves office." Great video.
September 28, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are so right!
September 28, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Had that on my blog and watch it every once in awhile. So inspirational ...
Yet I thought everyone wanted to kill everyone else. That's what I keep hearing from Republicans, anyway.
September 28, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
this was really beautiful. I'll be organizing an election night party in east village in new york, if I have a projector I think I'll show this clip. Maybe Obama could show this at his inaugural.
thanks for the link.
September 28, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Loved it. Especially the wild giggling from the dancers. It's nice to be reminded that we aren't so different, isn't it?
September 28, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
My favorite part is the Bollywood routine. I just love that!
September 28, 2008 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
O thank yo for that enormous laugh.
Catchink moose a sqvirrel - too fucking funny for words!
September 28, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama barely clings to a giant lead!!
September 28, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama and Biden are on fire in Michigan:) Watching cnn.com live
byw, how come none of the media mentioned Mcwar saying horseshit when Obama was mocking McWar about Spain
Any takers as when Pitbull will drop?
September 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's nobody to replace her with. Lose. Lose.
September 28, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't see Biden, but Obama certainly is on fire.
"I don't know what's going on with those bears and John McCain", e.g.
September 28, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
"His first response to the greatest financial crisis was a Katrina response."
September 28, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
The 90 second response limit for the VP debate could help Palin but it does also mean many, many more questions. Theoretically she could have to answer up to 30 different questions (realistically more like 15 or 20).
That is a lot of at bats to swing and miss or chances in the field to make an error.
(Can you tell I am following the Twins try to make the playoffs.)
September 28, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Her neurons will be so mixed up by the time she's answered just a few questions... Oh, boy, it's gonna be the debate of all time!
September 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is tearing it up right now in Detroit. Lots of new lines in the stump speech. Including "if you believe that I have a bridge in Alaska I'd like to sell you!" Nice.
September 28, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
The thing that gets me is Obama can't get past 50%. Most of the movement in Rasmussen and Gallup is from McCain losing support rather than Obama gaining -- though he did gain about 2% in both.
I'm thinking most of the dropoff for McCain comes from two groups:
1. Hillary seniors and diehards who were going to vote for McCain and now say FUCK the economy is tanking, my Social Security check is in danger, now I can't vote for McCain! But I hate Obama!What the hell am I going to do?!
2. Racist indies and Reagan Dems who were leaning to McCain but now are back to the undecided column because of the events of the last two weeks. They still aren't comfortable voting for a black but simply cant pull the lever for McCain. Will they stay home or buck up and vote for the negro? Stay tuned.
September 28, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love people who see the downside in Obama's numbers going up to 50% again.
But mainly I wanted to tell you that my husband agrees with you about Duffy.
I'm outnumbered here but my opinion stands. I think she sings offkey.
September 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
She really is something else Tena! Her picture is next to the word 'fierce' in the dictionary.
Yeah and I am an asshole for writing that post. I just hope the people who move to undecided dont go back to McCain. I suppose it's because I really want Obama to get a higher EV and pop. vote count than Bush. No more of this squeaker crap! I want the whole thing to be called at 930!
September 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well hell - I guess I need to hear more then.
But I doubt I will - I am a diehard hip hop fan - that's all I listen to.
This shit ain't like rock and roll
hip hop goes right to your soul -
GZA
September 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
O and if you like fierce women, I cannot recommend Jean Grae highly enough:
some nights under certain circumstances,
I'll circle back and have your ass kicked by
back-up dancers...
September 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
And once he breaks 50, what's the concern then going to be?
FYI: he's at 51 in R2000 numbers for yesterday.
September 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually youre right. I need a breather!
Time to turn off the computer and walk the dogs!
September 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I talked with a Republican who watched the debate. He said he was going to vote for Obama because he hated McCain. After watching the debate he said he was pleasantly surprised at how much that he liked Obama.
Seems like Obama nailed the debate in terms of reaching these types of people and making them feel "more comfortable." And its not just this anecdotal evidence, the polling of the undecideds shows it too.
September 28, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
On Tuesday we'll know the full effect of the debate, and with a fifty percent baseline, we are in good business.
September 28, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Combination of Obama's successes and mcShame's failures...
September 28, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have to say, Obama advisor must be the smartest people in politics today.
They knew what would work in a debate, O' came out with a definite objective, clear plan and delivered.
Most impressive group of people I must say. Impressive.
September 28, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I"m utterly convinced that David Plouffe is an authentic genius.
September 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
But so is his candidate!
September 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
O yes. I almost added that - that he has the greatest candidate in history to work with.
I don't mean to take away from Obama. Together, they are superhuman, damn near.
;)
September 28, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd give a large share of the credit to David Axelrod - he's the one who sets most of the strategy for the Obama/Biden campaign. Axelrod is a fixture in Chicago and I've admired him for years. It's so good to see him succeed on a national stage.
September 28, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for pointing that out - you're right; I don't give him enough credit and he is brilliant.
I love this campaign so much I almost hate to see it end.
September 28, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kudos to them all! It's just been the most amazing thing to watch and be part of.
September 28, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto. Greatest presidential campaign ever run in my memory. Amazing. By the way, his campaign reveals how he will govern the country. This really is a no brainer. I am hoping for a landslide in November, so that he has an incredible mandate to get things done.
September 28, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, no kidding.
This campaign will be talked about for as long as this country continues to hold elections.
September 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, it may be the first time that the people actually got involved and voted into power someone that represented them and their interests. Community organizing on a national level, it really is astounding.
September 28, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
yup yup
i say den.
lets knock em down
September 28, 2008 11:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep.
Despite all that O' brings to the table, there are days its seems fucking unbelievable that a black man named BHO could ever run and win a national race. You've to take your hats off to his entire top team.
September 28, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
It really is amazing. The us will be the first western country in history to have as its democratically elected leader a member of a minority group. Never happened before in history. Unbelievable.
September 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm impressed with how they perfectly calibrated when and where to hit back (both in the debates and the campaign in general.)
The undecideds that I talked to thought Obama was "tough" and "let McCain have it." Obama supporters saw "missed opportunities" but the undecideds saw it Obama as being as tough as we wished he would have been. Really fascinating how differently these different groups perceive things.
September 28, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
If they're a bit less informed than we are, then they would have been unaware of some times when Barack could have hit back and simply absorbed the blow.
His timing is awesome!
September 28, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I credit it far more to Obama himself. Being a black person seeking positions of authority, you have to be able to put people at ease because of ingrained cultural stereotypes.
Hi calming and reassuring demeanor is not an act or a debate prep thing, but formative into who Obama is and how he relates to others.
September 28, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
GOOD-GOOGLY-MOOGLY!!!! North Carolina is now blue according to realclearpolitic's average:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nc/north_carolina_mccain_vs_obama-334.html
Am I the only one thats late on this one?
September 28, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look out, Landslide a comin'!
September 28, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Especially if we can get Ohio up in there.
September 28, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great Googly-Moogly indeed.
O I smell a landslide. I hate to jinx it by saying this but this the rising tide at the end of the campaign I really expected.
September 28, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know it really seems as if the stars are aligned or there is divine intervention concerning obama getting elected. On this wall street implosion, you know damn well this was going on for the last year or year and a half and the administration was trying desperately to keep a lid on it til November 5, but they couldn't. That's how bad it was and by it blowing up now, it will help cement an obama landslide, which is what we need. Same thing with Iraq "calming down" and the other world wide events. Everything is pointing toward creating an obama landslide. The country needs it and the world needs it. It really makes you wonder.
I saw some clips on the huff post about the virgina rally and they were interviewing old vietnam vets for obama. People that not in a million years you would expect, in the south, to be supporting obama and doing it with gusto. I really believe that there will be a huge tidal change on November 4. It has to happen or we are really screwed as a country.
September 28, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I couldn't have said it better!
September 28, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Words can't describe how much I hope you are right. It's hard to focus on much else at this point.
September 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I feel the same.
September 28, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if it has anything to do with the finance industry, which makes up a significant part of NC's economy. Right now those guys are PISSED at Republican dithering vis-a-vis the bailout negotiations.
And the Republican civil war escalates...
September 28, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I live Charlotte which is where the banks are, Charlotte has gotten lucky so far. Our main banks that operate here are Wachivoa and Bank of America. Our city so far has been spared from any major damage, though since Charlotte is a banking city we have been taken some hits. If something happens to 1 of those 2 banks though.... it would be terrible news in Charlotte.
Its about time RCP dropped those 2 outliner polls from the NC charts.
September 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Happy to hear you guys have been spared the worst of it so far. Now I'll be able to take great pleasure from that poll, since it's not the direct result of people's misfortunes.
September 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also like to add that Charlotte in general also has been spared from the housing bubble problem, the real estate market here has been pretty stable, at least to my knowledge it has been.
September 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
If B of A goes under, kiss your ass goodbye.
That's not going to happen, by the way - I really feel confident about that.
September 28, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I sure hope not, lol thats where all my money is.
September 28, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have lots of Republicans in my family including my 84 year old father, born and raised in Alabama, WW2 vet, Navy man like McCain, lifelong Repub, a deeply religious Christian but doesn't advertize it....he is ENTHUSIASTICALLY supporting Obama. Most of my family is voting for Obama including most of the conservatives, none of whom have ever been polled.
September 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
The plan was to introduce Senator Obama as presidential, calm, intelligent, knowledgeable. They succeed beyond expectations, and Mcwar looked angry and divisive.
September 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
After reading the comments/story from the monkey scientist I mentioned on another blog my fears that, at the next debate, McCain was likely to start throwing poo at Obama and the audience. It conjured up a mental image of a frothing, rampaging McCain clutching a gigantic turd in his hands. It’s the perfect metaphor for his campaign.
September 28, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ewww...stinky!
September 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Paging Dr. Zaius...
September 28, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
holy crap, batman.
Obama's "preacher self" is comin out!!!
waaaaaaatch out!
September 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama clings to narrow win in November
This is EXCELLENT NEWS! FOR McCAIN!
~
September 28, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Palin-McSame show needs more than another stunt. They need an October Surprise. I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell of it, but they need Israel to bomb Iran. I don't think it is an accident that one of the talking points Mentum has given Sarah "We should never second guess Israel"\
Ominous
September 28, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've been wondering about this and I'm curious what people here think the effect on Obama's chances would be...
takers?
September 28, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
1. Won't happen. Isreal will not bomb iran before the november elections. That would be suicide for isreal. The world would go ballistic, including the arab world.
2. I also think that the iran situation is being ginned up more than anything else to invoke fear. Don't you think if Iran was really up to getting nukes and were close the russians would be absolutely petrified? It really defies logic. Iranians can see russia from iran on a clear day, just like rambo can. Russia would be going nuts and the russians aren't. What does that tell you?
3. I have a feeling that any military october surprises will help obama. The people have seen the disaster of the last 8 years and want new hands at the helm. I still don't get, and I am sure most people don't, the concept of not talking to enemies. That is beyond absurd and what diplomacy is all about. WTF are these people running the country thinking? Ignoring a problem won't make it go away, it will just make it worse.
September 28, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, no one is now in charge in Israel. Olmert's out; Livni isn't in. They aren't in a position to do anything big and certainly now without full US backing. Read somewhere that Bush told them no. I believe it.
September 28, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe that the king told them no as well, even if they were considering it. We have 150000 troops that are sitting ducks in iraq with a supply line through the strait of hormuz. There is no way that we want or are in a position for a strike on iran. It would be a blood bath and would put all those troops in serious danger and jeopardy. It would be a complete disaster. I totally don't see it happening.
September 28, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't care what they try. It will be viewed as just another stunt by liars.
September 28, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
No they will have the National alert color go from Orange/red to Pink in honor of her moosiness.
That would be a game changer for me.
September 28, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Usama ibn Ladin being killed would be a possible "October surprise" they might have in the bag that could actually be sprung. That would, in combination with the "surge worked" talking point, cripple a lot of Obama's argument on the GWOT.
September 28, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ominous? There is nothing that clown says that is anything other than utterly laughable.
She couldn't be ominous to save her fucking soul! She has nothing that a person can take seriously.
Her stands on women's issues - those are scary. But coming from her, even that isn't all that scary. She's just - well what can I say? You cannot possibly take that woman seriously except being seriously terrified she'd get anywhere near the Oval Office.
O god what a mental image - I wish I hadn't -
September 28, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain really is toast. His "maverick" tactics have all backfired on him (Palin, suspending his campaign, etc.) and his smear attempts didn't work.
More smearing won't work.
Another maverick move will be seen as erratic and crazy.
Add these things to the media narrative that McCain's campaign has been blatantly lying, concerns about his health/age, judgement questions (see Palin), position on the issues (Iraq, taxes, regulation, the economy, trade, etc.) and McCain really doesn't have many options.
To make matters worse, he doesn't really have a base within the Republican party.
not much he can do at this pointl
September 28, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
> To make matters worse, he doesn't really have a base within the Republican party.
Yes, and Palin, who is supposed to help there, is nothing but liability now.
September 28, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
for maverick.... read run amok!
September 28, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
The latest map and graphs over at 538 are just delicious!
Would love to be a fly on the wall in the McCain meetings where they go over their internals. Horse**it is probably the tamest thing coming out of Johnny's mouth.
September 28, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, I really like the senate analysis also. Dems have a shot at 60, without traitor joe. Will the american people give them a shot to right the ship and prevent the republicans from mucking up the works in the senate? I hope so.
September 28, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
The rally in Manassas yesterday and Detroit today,,,,,,,,,, more of the same, please, with all the trimmings.
GOBAMA 08
September 28, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh brother, you knew there had to be video on this one. Rambo of the North's swimsuit competition portion of the 1984 Ms. Alaska beauty pagent. Toooooooo funny. I wonder if her talent competition entry was shooting wolves from helicopters or dressing a moose.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/26/sarah-palins-beauty-pagea_n_129667.html
September 28, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the thing about Sarah:
The accomplishments that took her to that pageant, which are nothing more than any ambitious high school student's list of extracurriculars, have taken her further than one would plausibly imagine they could - governor of Alaska. She cannot go any further with that resume.
Even our media is better educated, by and large. In DC, everyone is walking around with ivy league degrees, and law degrees or MBAs or PHDs for the love of god.
I don't think she ever got her BA, but even she did - whooptifuckindo!
September 28, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point. She clearly got lucky in that governor's race based on her performance to date. By the way, she did get her ba in I think sport journalism, after attending 6 different colleges to accomplish it. Kind of makes you wonder. I think she got the final degree from a mail in college by the way.
September 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
The mail? She finished her BA by mail?
[toochokeduptosayanythingelse]
September 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmmmm .... show us the diploma...
September 28, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I want the video of her college graduation!
My father did a film of mine and that was in the 60's.
So.... Sarah, where is that film or that photo of you receiving your degree?
September 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even George W. Fucking Bush went to Harvard and Yale. I know he just sat in class and chewed tobacco and was graduated as a favor to Poppy - but at least he's got the motherfucking degrees!
September 28, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
My boss and I talked about that the other day. He (who will vote for the Democratic ticket) said, "Bush is not an idiot. McCain is not an idiot. They may have been C- students, but those schools are not easy schools even with their daddy's favor and idiots wouldn't graduate. Sarah Palin, on the other hand, is an idiot."
She obviously is.
(Still, I would prefer raise expectations as high as possible about her performance in the upcoming debate. I'm going to spout everywhere the message "She did great in 2006! She is formidable!").
September 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm inclined to agree with you re: the effect on Obama's chances. There's too much momentum and folks will not be disuaded.
September 28, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
meant for michael A above...
September 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone know how all of this is playing among the repub party faithful?
Or are they simply in denial?
September 28, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well I have a little story.
I was out last night at a friend's house at a dinner party where it was all women but for my friend's husband. We were mostly rather loudly Democratic and Obama supporters and at least 3 of us, me and two others, are really into it and fierce about it. There was one woman there who said she was a Repug. She asked me to calm down. As things developed, she was increasingly outnumbered when another woman showed up who is giving house parties, went to the Espanola rally.
From what I could tell - she's in DENIAL so deep that there's no pulling her out. But she's one of those people who is not shy about telling you that she's prayed for you. So there you go.
(I really resent the fuck out of being told someone's prayed for me - that is beyond rude. She wasn't talking to me, but I got the idea the person she was talking to wasn't thrilled either.)
September 28, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
There certainly is a huge denial factor. I visited an old friend last week who believes voting for a Democrat would betray her dead father and I don't think there's an issue we disagree about. She doesn't even have the God excuse.
September 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Should have told her you asked an exorcist to lay on hands for her! In appreciation for her prayers.
September 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd say her prayers for us are working!
September 28, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you flip out on her when she said "calm down" like you did here the other night?
September 28, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me ask you something: Has anyone ever told you to calm down?
Here's how it makes me feel - like the person telling me that thinks either they are my: parent, my principle or my therapist and they aren't.
I would never think of saying that to someone. It belittles their passion.
So the answer is: I didn't like it because I never do. I find it insulting. I am passionate about some things. You are attacking my personality when you do that.
September 28, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Denial. No other possible explanation.
September 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
But you have to be pretty deep into it to still be clinging to the Repugs at this point.
We were talking last night about the economic implosion and how the last time the Repugs held the White House and the majority in Congress, Herbert Hoover was prez and the same damn thing happened - only of course on a much more tragic scale by far.
The Repug woman clammed up - what can she say? They are going to have to eat their failure, like it or not.
September 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It probably only works if they surround themselves with each other. If they actually venture out into the real world, then it's hard to maintain the walls of denial.
September 28, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's just say she looked a bit startled when no one backed down.
;)
September 28, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
The tide has turned. And they never noticed!
September 28, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know what? I don't think they did - you're right.
They were so convinced of the rightness of their "cause" - I mean, if you believe you are on a mission from Gawd, aren't you by definition convinced of your rightness?
September 28, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of denial, has anyone taken a look at what's going on over at Hillaryis44.org lately? It's like you're skimming a web page and yet, somehow, you get the distinct impression that flecks of foam from a big foamy pair of crazy lips are flying at you.
September 28, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why are they still in business? Do they have a defined mission? I would have thought that they'd shut down after the convention.
I guess their mission is, "Determined to maintain a forum in which we can endlessly rant."
September 29, 2008 7:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
So 1.3 points of movement is the threshold between way ahead and not way ahead?
September 28, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Other headline suggestions:
"Obama's lead improves by small but significant step."
"Obama's inches further ahead."
"Obama's fuckin' smokin' him."
"Obama lead now outside margin of error."
September 28, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Haha! I'll take number 4, please, with a side of whoopass.
September 28, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Has there been one moment in this campaign when McCain even came close to an outside the margin of error lead? On the flip side, in 2004, Did Kerry even do so? Did Al Gore in 2000? I'm seriously curious, because this is beginning to look really, really good.
September 28, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Glad to see you back; even more glad you had such a great time and came back as fresh as Manny.
:)
September 28, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome back, Dorn. uh. 76.
You know what the moral of this story is? You should go on vacation more often. Look what happened when you did!
McCain's campaign is holding a conference call this afteroon to respond to the Obama rally where he was, quite simply, ON FIRE. Must have them worried. They're going to explain to us how Obama doesn't understand Detroit any better than he understands anything else.
That's their attack: he doesn't understand. I say, have at it, slicksters, 'cause Obama walked away from the debate looking calm, cool, collected and ....knowledgeable. (Bummer to break up the alliteration going on there...()
September 28, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, so they stay home and just "respond" while Obama and Biden campaign.
Kinda weird. But what else to expect from this deranged campaign?
September 28, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just to make another point about denial. I knew a guy in college- a nice guy and a casual friend-who said he would always vote republican because Bible said so. No, he wasn't fucking kidding.
He was a gradstudent in liberal arts- the irony.
September 28, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, the word "can" is in the bible. But we're using that too!
Yes. We. Can.
September 28, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lamentations 6:9-11
September 28, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, so now we can expect another big McCain week-long distraction. Wonder what it will be? It'll have to be a big one because of the current pile up of problems, namely (a) two of his earlier distractions (Palin and his ludicrous campaign suspension) have gone very bad, (b) Obama seems to have won the debate and is surging in the polls, (c) Rick Davis and he have been exposed for their lies about the former's ties to Freddie Mac, and (d) the growing story of his gambling problem(s). Sounds to me like they may have to wag the dog much earlier than they originally planned. Bomb Iran? Invade Waziristan? Both? You know that Bush is going to accommodate McCain in any way he possible -- so expect something big and "patriotic".
September 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just saw that someone else beat me to the punch.
September 28, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill Ayers.
Jeremiah Wright.
The fanning the flames of the supposed "bracelet" gate. It's going to be a week of sleaze ads introduced every other day, to give the cable media the opportunity to digest them. Sleaze, seven days week. McCain will clearly cross the Commander in Sleaze threshold this week.
September 28, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup. And, for me, he already passed it with the "sex-ed" ad.
September 28, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope so. Based on the poll running on CNN during the debate, McLame's numbers will just continue to tank. They went down every time he attacked Obama during the debate.
September 28, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about this: Palin withdraws and McCain chooses a vetable right winger "base" pleaser such as LIndsay Graham as his new VP candidate.
September 28, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
just remember:
keep playing to win. the only thing the "prevent defense" ever prevented was holding on to the win.
September 28, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROFLMAO!
Bush doesn't give one flaccid fuck about McLame or anything else. He will so not do something like that for McLame. No way in hell.
He'll take the money and run. They all will.
But I'll say this: Bush nukes Iran - it don't matter who wins the election. Bush launches a nuke and I'm going up and painting a big ass target on my roof with the Chinese for: Drop it right the fuck here!
I don't do aftermath.
September 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
They may have had a plan. Till they spent 3/4 of a trillion!
September 28, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
(a) Dick Cheney
(b) Who mentioned nukes?
September 28, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
(a.) Dick Cheney has one foot in Dubai right now.
Watch him grab his gazillions and high tail it to his palatial hide-out in Dubai.
He is in lawsuits like you wouldn't believe. Halliburton is in more lawsuits than I think probably any other entity in this country right now. Cheney has immunity right now - which means the minute it's gone, he's so fucking out of here you will not see anything but the blur -
September 28, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope that they attach any proceeds from the king and darth vader's retirement plan from haliburton. All the billions funnelled to that criminal enterprise should be attached. Can you say RICO?
September 28, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well I know that's the case in the one lawsuit I'm familiar with.
Otherwise it depends on the lawyers, but I most lawyers at that level would do that.
September 28, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oy! ;)
September 28, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's not assume that Palin will not do well in the debates. She will be well prepped and will sound reasonably knowledgable. She won't make McCain's mistakes, will look at the camera and come of as folksy and kinda cute.
Of course she can't get Biden's head full of knowledge in such a short time but she won't be a total disaster. Let's not set the bar so low that anything better than Miss SC seems like a win for her.
September 28, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with playing expectation games - but can you tell me what point there is to playing them here?
Here? Among friends in a conversation?
September 28, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
My expectations are very low for her - like, drool and vomit all over herself low. But if she doesn't make a complete ass of herself the story will be she's exceeded expectations, she held her own. That'll be the headline - "Palin Didn't Shit Herself". That's how low the bar has been set.
September 28, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem is that she might shit herself. If she couldn't handle the softballs from couric, I can't see her handling some real questions from a journalist like Ifel. It will be embarrassing to rambo and frightening to the country.
September 28, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
The truth is that she will come across to the well-informed as having very little understanding of issues that are highly relevant to the position that she's seeking and it will be painfully on display. The question will be, how well will she mask that in the debate? As they say, for many, these debates present something of a clean slate for the candidates, a fresh look at them for some portion of undecideds out there. The media will be generous in their spin of her performance - much more so than we will be.
Biden will have to avoid making her look foolish - she can handle that herself. I'll be interested in the flash poll reactions from CNN as the debate carries on. And then, we'll see how it impacts the polls in the ensuing days. But, I'm predicting she won't completely fail, she'll sort of pull it off, although she'll be transparent to those of us who are well aware of her shortcomings.
September 29, 2008 7:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just gave Obama $100 for all the joy of the weekend.
When I donate now, I describe my job as "thera-pissed."
Machine takes it - just the same.
September 28, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I predict we will be greeted as Liberators on Jan 21
September 28, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love this! I think I'll use it - I'll give you cred. :)
September 29, 2008 7:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tina Fey is such a dead ringer for the Simple Sister, the next Big Stunt maybe the ole switcheroo.
I predict we will be greeted as Liberators on Jan 21
September 28, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Au contraire!
Dead ringer my ass - Tina Fey is a very pretty woman with gorgeous bone structure and Sarah Palin is attractive.
September 28, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena,,,
The Bushies have a lot vested in a McCain administration,,,,,,, think war crimes, the openings of files and records, criminal charges, public exposure,,,, truth and reconciliation hearings,,,,, hope they bring Desmond Tutu in for those by the way.
Yes, the Bushies have cause to be afraid,,, very afraid.
September 28, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Karma. The Law of Karma in action.
September 28, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is amazing the law of karma. It is so true. I have seen it in practice over and over and over again. I totally live by it. It's the same principle as what comes around goes around.
September 28, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup. Except with a cosmic kick in it!
September 28, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude - even Bush can count.
I. E. - even if McLame wins it is CONGRESS that determines things like war crimes.
September 28, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry - know you aren't a dude, Schrodinger.
My bad there.
September 28, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
HOw the hell did that end up there? O man -
September 29, 2008 1:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
O and by the way, love:
There is no statute of limitations on war crimes charges.
They can filed any time before someone dies.
September 28, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
♪ ♫ ♬ You just said the magic words! ♪ ♫ ♬
September 28, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only way the king and darth vadar and the rest of the cabal get nailed for war crimes is if they vacation in say spain or italy or another country with the kahones to stick it to the criminals. I would love to see them in the dock in the hague, but it probably is a pipe dream.
Our spineless congress won't do a thing, other than maybe destroy their legacy. I can see some type of truth and reconciliation commission or something like that if obama wins in november. However, I forsee that they won't ever be behind bars by any actions of congress.
September 28, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Never say never.
Dammit - our Congress wasn't so much spineless as totally hemmed in and the fact that they just held Bush's feet to the fire until they got what they wanted in the bailout ought to tell you something.
Jeez. We had a 1 person majority. That person was Joe Lieberman. If he swung with the Repugs and there was a tie, Darth Cheney would have come in and broken the tie.
Man there's only so much they can do with that reality and they did well.
Everybody always hates Congress. Always.
September 28, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with all your observations. I don't hate congress. They just lack the political will sometimes to do what is right. I agree on traitor joe. I think Pelosi and Reid actually have done a great job. I loved Reid's move by keeping the senate in session in order to avoid more recess appointments. Talk about embarrassing to the king. Have Jim Webb trot on down to the senate and declare it in session every three days. Priceless.
I still don't see any war crimes being pursued by congress. I hope that I am wrong, but I just don't see it. I would be estatic just to get information on WTF has been going on for the last 8 years so that it doesn't happen again. That would be a huge start.
September 28, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought there was more than one rumor out there about that possibility in the House. We get a majority - I still doubt it, but I still say never say never, too.
I refuse to say what is going to happen - I just don't know. I have nothing at all to pin an educated guess on.
September 28, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michael -
As far as the next Congress goes, during the first administration - hell no that won't happen. WE have big ass problems that need immediate attention.
But a 2d term could bring some differences because I do recall clearly many months ago Obama promising to look into the illegalities of the Bush Administration.
And god alone knows what they're going to find when they finally get in there.
September 28, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember that as well and he was going to do it right away. As he said, a president should be able to do more than one thing at a time. I do see investigations and the like, I just don't see full on war crime allegations or trials.
I still see some kind of truth and reconciliation type of commission. Get all the information out there and never let it happen again in this country.
It would be too politically risky for congress to pursue war crimes trials. They are politicians after all. I just don't see it.
September 28, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would really like to see that.
September 28, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
They can still win if they replace Palin now. No delays, they need to do it.
Of course, if there is now unaccountability the head of the ticket must also urgently be replaced, if any number of ex=USSR voters will be with the party.
September 28, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damned if they do, damned if they don't...
September 28, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
They've boxed themselves in - totally.
September 28, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Co-sign. Rock, meet hard pla