Obama On Lipstick Controversy: Attacks Media, Says "Enough Is Enough"
On the trail in Virginia just now, Obama answered the McCain "lipstick" attack, refusing to engage the central phony charge and using it to cast McCain as unwilling to discuss serious issues.
Obama also directly attacked the news media for turning the "controversy" into a major story. It's worth quoting his response at length:
Some of you may have -- I'm assuming you guys have heard this, watching the news. I'm talking about John McCain's economic politics, I say, "This is more of the same, you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig."And suddenly they say, "Oh, you must be talking about the governor of Alaska."
[Laughter from audience]
See it would be funny, it would be funny except -- of course the news media all decided that that was the lead story yesterday. They'd much rather have the story -- this is the McCain campaign -- would much rather have the story about phony and foolish diversions than about the future.
This happens every election cycle. Every four years. This is what we do. We've got an energy crisis. We have an education system that is not working for too many of our children and making us less competitive. We have an economy that is creating hardship for families all across America. We've got two wars going on, veterans coming home not being cared for -- and this is what they want to talk about! this is what they want to spend two of the last 55 days talking about.
You know who ends up losing at the end of the day? It's not the Democratic candidate, It's not the republican candidate. It's you, the American people. because then we go another year or another four years or another eight years without addressing the issues that matter to you. Enough.
I don't care what they say about me, but I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and swift-boat politics. Enough is enough.

Nice.
September 10, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Very nice! 'bout time he called out the media for all their nonsensical sensationalism.
September 10, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, he did it back in March:
September 10, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, in one form or another, he has been saying this since he announced his candidacy. He said in 1995, that he views politics as part advocacy and part education!
Here is his quote and then the link to an exquisite write-up about him in 1995:
"What if a politician were to see his job as that of an organizer," he wondered, "as part teacher and part advocate, one who does not sell voters short but who educates them about the real choices before them?"
http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/archive/barackobama/
People who yammer on about him are people who never really learnt about him or read up his life story or even heard him in just the past year.
And these are friends, sigh.
September 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, he did it back in March:
September 10, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, he did it back in March:
September 10, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, he did it back in March:
September 10, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, he did it back in March:
September 10, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Damn! First time I've fallen into the TPM multiple-post trap.
September 10, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome to the club!
September 10, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, now that I have to scroll down three miles to read the thread. Yes he said it in March, he's saying it again.
September 10, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I realize that he said it way back in March. The point being is that he should be calling them out on it each and every time they choose to focus on trumped-up, phony, non-issues. It should become a reflexive "there they go again" kinda thing.
September 10, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
...and he needs to KEEP doing it, until the stupid, but probably well-meaning American gets it.
September 10, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
people are quick to blame the media for stuff like this. but it's like chicken/egg. Some blaming of the media is warranted, but i'm beginning to think that all of this should be a reflection of our society. A sad reflection.
Digby had a great post the other day about how this is just another reality TV show for people...who do they want to see 'play president' for the next 4 years. The campaigns sure are giving us the politics of personality...
September 10, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Reminds me of the Monty Python "Dead Vicar on the Landing" sketch.
Murderer: "It's a fair cop, but society is to blame."
Policeman: "Agreed. We'll be charging them too."
September 10, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
" 'Ow do you know e's a Republican?"
"It's tattooed on the back a' the neck!"
September 10, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll say it again, this was all a brilliant calculated strategy.
He HAD to know a lipstick comment would send the McCain campaign into an irate spiral of "sexist" blabbery.
He HAD to know the media would be wondering if he would apologize, and he HAD to know this would give him the opportunity to be the bigger man, criticize the media, AND talk about the real issues important to every American, regardless of party.
Abso-frickin-lutely awesome.
September 10, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree totally - do not underestimate Obama, handwringing people, this guy is a jujitsu fighter.
And being a bit behind right now is a good thing. I know I decided to make time to go canvassing this week-end.
September 10, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
i have come to believe that the Palin pick and rollout was 100% planned for and executed perfectly. We were all duped. The political world's reaction was exactly what McCain wanted and needed. Rove's fingerprints are all over this.
September 10, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
i have come to believe that the Palin pick and rollout was 100% planned for and executed perfectly. We were all duped. The political world's reaction was exactly what McCain wanted and needed. Rove's fingerprints are all over this.
September 10, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
i have come to believe that the Palin pick and rollout was 100% planned for and executed perfectly. We were all duped. The political world's reaction was exactly what McCain wanted and needed. Rove's fingerprints are all over this.
September 10, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, distract, talk all about her for weeks, and not about inept McCain.
September 10, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
"What’s the difference between bull-shyt and moose-shyt?"
"Lipstick!"
September 10, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is one helluva of a pivot.
September 10, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Amen! I love a sermon with the word "hell" in it!
September 10, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
And then there is the mysterios "Laughter from the audience" giving everything away.
September 10, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
what's mysterious? they were laughing at how stupid the media believes you are.
September 10, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
of course
now let's see if playing the victim card is going to work.
September 10, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
you mean for palin?
September 10, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Playing the victim?! LOL!
September 10, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
wait, lalo was referring to obama playing the victim card when it's mcWar crying about the pig remark. come on, lalo's not that stupid. okay, maybe he is.
September 10, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
wait, lalo was referring to obama playing the victim card when it's mcWar crying about the pig remark? come on, lalo's not that stupid, is he?
September 10, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
"if they bully me, you're going to lose, America"...
September 10, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
my question answered. thanks.
September 10, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
sen. obama did not say that or even infer that. he said when the issues are not addressed, both him, sen. mccain and the american people lose. surely, you must agree with that.
September 10, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
question answered, thanks.
September 10, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe you didn't notice -- it was MCCAIN playing the victim card.
September 10, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
..that non-response was an Obama co-sign. Thanks.
September 10, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
If the comment was intentional as you believe, then it was a stroke of genius. The faux outrage played into Obama's hands, allowing him to educate the media and the nation as he took the spotlight. Face it, the losers now are the media and McCain, and crying sexism will from now on be akin crying wolf.
September 10, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
yeah right. that's why the crowd at the mccain event today has lipstick signs
September 10, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think that you are reading too much into this particular datum. Remember in Pennsylvania in early April in the immediate wake of the "bitter" remarks, Clinton had stickers and rally signs printed up that read "I'm not bitter" and they got great play in the coverage of her rallies. After a week or so, however, the polls came in an showed her lead in PA continuing to shrink, so the Clinton campaign stopped with that tactic. In other words it is clear that the McCain campaign thinks that it has a winning issue with this lipstick-on-a-pig bit, but that does not mean that it really does have a winning issue. It is possible to invest campaign resources in a bad strategy, so the mere fact that the McCain camp has invested resources in this line does not tell us one way or another whether it is really working.
September 10, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well said.
I think McCain is high on falsely inflated post-convention bounce numbers. They are believing their own propaganda -- a big mistake.
September 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
In that case, why address it at all?
Enough is enough, OR WHAT?
Is he going to cry if McCain doesn't stop?
Or maybe he thinks that if he made Russia sign the cease-fire, he can surely make McCain stop.
September 10, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because he looks so good and fatherly and tough when he does. He's friggin' awesome when he gets all scoldy with the media. It makes a notable contrast with McCain's peevish whining. Obama comes out looking like the grown-up.
And he needs to be saying "enough is enough" every chance he can right now. Because, you know, it's true.
September 10, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is McCain going to cry, or Palin, if Obama doesn't stop using ancient cliches that include words that Palin used in her speech? Are you going to cry? Is everyone going to cry? That would be better than what passes for your present line of argument.
September 10, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
True, Obama loses with those squealy pigs, but he always will anyway. It's with the media, McCain's former true base, where he has gained, not just today, but over the past week.
September 10, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Who cares what signs McCain's audience are holding?
a) They're his base. They're going to agree with everything he says.
b) The signs were made by campaign volunteers and handed out to the audience. You don't really think that was a spontaneous display of support, do you?
September 10, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's comment wasn't intended to educate the media at all, but to attack it. And that's brilliant politics.
September 10, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's comment wasn't intended to educate the media at all, but to attack it. And that's brilliant politics.
September 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I really hate the commenting system here. It sucks.
September 10, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
***EVEN*** if it was a reference to her remark, he wasn't CALLING her a pig. Was McCain calling Hillary a pig when he used the line in reference to her policy? Was McCain calling Romney a pig when he used it in reference to him?
September 10, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please.
Hillary never said anything about lipstick.
McCain never said anything about claws coming out; kitchen sink, china and buffet flying at him; or periodically feeling down.
Everytime Obama is REELING, which he is now, something like this happens.
He can't deal with women, so he's just calling them names like a fifth-grader.
September 10, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are such a disgusting piece of shit. Not to mention a wimp.
September 10, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
So the fact that Palin once uttered the word lipstick, the cliche of "lipstick on a pig" is now off-limits in talking about the McCain campaign?
hahahahaha!
Let me quote Andrew Sullivan:
"We are being asked to believe that he called Sarah Palin a pig. If the people making that accusation have half a brain they know it's not true."
September 10, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
What else did you think Andrew Sullivan, Ben Smith, Rachel Maddow and Keith Olberman are going to say???
Once in the tank, always in the tank.
September 10, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
What with Andrew Sullivan being such a stalwart Democrat and all. Oh wait.
And the McCain camp and the PUMA crowd aren't in the tank for McCain? Because they seem to be the only people who give half a shit about this nonsense.
September 10, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ben Smith was actually the one who first posted that he thought the crowd understood it as a reference. He has his moments of pure bias against Obama, especially during the primary.
September 10, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, and Matt Lauer, Andrea Mitchell, CNN, Mike Huckabee, Jake Tapper, Jonathan Martin all said the same thing: fake outrage; fake controversy. They must all be in the tank, too.
I know you want people to buy this "Obama called Palin a pig" bullshit but it won't work. In order to assert outrage, there has to be a shred of credibility. When Obama used a common phrase and never even mentioned Palin, that dog don't hunt. Sorry.
September 10, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
That dog don't hunt? I think you just called Palin a bitch!
September 10, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I prefer "that huskie won't mush".
and if the dog harness fits...
September 10, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
Whatever you say, dude.
September 10, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, it was Ben Smith who broke the story for Drudge to run with. Ben was the one who wrote the insinuation. He's had plenty of anti-Obama posts, especially during the primary where his pro-Hillary bias was clear.
September 10, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
Whatever you say, dude.
September 10, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
You should know more than most.
September 10, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
The joke on the McCan'ts is that all those women they're trying to get riled, down in West Virginia, Penn, Ohio, Michigan, all those white working women, they've been using this phrase since before Rove was born, and just the way Obama used it.
They know what it means, and they know it ain't got sh*t to do with calling anyone names.
McCan't trying to twist this makes him look soft-handed and over-ironed to them, and loses him two for every one it reinforces.
I like my lipstick jokes, below.
Just the policy facts, ma'am.
September 10, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
So any word Palin uses now is off-limits, even in phrases used all the time? Face it, Palin is being USED as a firewall. McCain gets to sit behind her while they both lie and tell half truths and spit slimy attacks, and then they proclaim victimhood for any time of response whatsoever. It's absolutely manufactured and ridiculous.
McCain used the phrase in a direct reference to Hillary and Romney. He also called his own wife a c*nt, directly and used the word trollop in reference. And now his feminist sensibilities are offended??? Are you serious?
September 10, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lipstick (tm).
September 10, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
And McCain can deal w/women and women's issue? Take a look at this video at how much he knows...
McCain Squirms Out of Answering on Women's Health Care Issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q8obHEULLg
As many people have already pointed out: Sen. McCain used the same "pig" statement when asked about Sen. Clinton's healthcare plan. So according to McCain's campaign McCain called Clinton a pig!! OMG!! >snark
September 10, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
They laughed becuase it IS funny. When Obama said "and they thought I was talking about Sarah Palin" he WAS sticking the shiv in, and stickin' it in good.
So what, troll?
September 10, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
They thought it was funny yesterday, they thought it was funny today. So we're all laughing now, especially McCain.
Right, troll?
September 10, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are the only troll here.
September 10, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain used "lipstick on a pig" reference to refer to hillary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8IhMMhe8w
Last year McCain called Romney a pig.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/12/did_mccain_call.html
John McCain's camp needs to vet there candidate before they accuse others of the things McCain has done.
September 10, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's my guy!!!!
September 10, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
It boggles the mind to think anyone will vote for McSame.
September 10, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Unless you have repub family members in thrall to... I simply don't know what to call it. But some who "have" want to deny that to those who "haven't." It's greed. Pure and simple. And denial. It's mocking those like us who "care" about everyone, instead of the "few." It's the nonsense about Sarah being a saint and a Christian (when her behavior contradicts that at every turn!).
I am sick at heart. Especially seeing this in blood relatives.
September 10, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I definitely have those family members. My mind is still boggled-not surprised or naive as to *why* or their methods. Just boggled in an overarching way...
September 10, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am truly boggled as well:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/lying-is-not-a-virtue-sarah-1.php
September 10, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have family members who are conservative Republicans and they are utterly disgusted with Sarah Palin for the way she has exploited her children for cheap political points.
September 10, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. I wake up every morning, check the MSM coverage of McCain and then feel like puking.
September 10, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wake up in the middle of the night feeling that way!
It's like a nightmare!
September 10, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah!! Go Obama and please, wake up, America!
September 10, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
ALL MEDIA SHOULD BE FIRED FOR NOT DOING THEIR JOB IF THIS STORY IS NOT SLASHED & BURNED:
The fact PalinMcBush have been allowed to spur such salacious bull without being called by all media networks is beyond comprehension.
Saying Barack wanted to teach sex education to kindergartner's is sickening. The Rethuglican party is truly the party of lies, fears and smears. This old geezer talks about honor and love for his country-- please, give me a break. If McCain really loved this country he wouldn't have been in lock-step with Bush 90% of the time and as a result help assist in damaging the American people's spirits.
McCain needs to man up and talk about the issues [oh, that's right-- his RECORD sucks on the ISSUES & his campaign adviser did say this election wasn't going to be about the issues that the American people care about] and stop standing behind that political woman pick you say is ready the be president if something should happen to you.
I was taught that liars shortened their days, and by the looks of it McCain doesn't have many left. I hope Palin is ready on day one.
['I'm John McCain and I approve lies, fears and smears... and so does my running mate Sarah Palin and the entire Republican Party.'...'How was that Mr. Rove?']
September 10, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
ALL MEDIA SHOULD BE FIRED FOR NOT DOING THEIR JOB IF THIS STORY IS NOT SLASHED & BURNED:
The fact PalinMcBush have been allowed to spur such salacious bull without being called by all media networks is beyond comprehension.
Saying Barack wanted to teach sex education to kindergartner's is sickening. The Rethuglican party is truly the party of lies, fears and smears. This old geezer talks about honor and love for his country-- please, give me a break. If McCain really loved this country he wouldn't have been in lock-step with Bush 90% of the time and as a result help assist in damaging the American people's spirits.
McCain needs to man up and talk about the issues [oh, that's right-- his RECORD sucks on the ISSUES & his campaign adviser did say this election wasn't going to be about the issues that the American people care about] and stop standing behind that political woman pick you say is ready the be president if something should happen to you.
I was taught that liars shortened their days, and by the looks of it McCain doesn't have many left. I hope Palin is ready on day one.
['I'm John McCain and I approve lies, fears and smears... and so does my running mate Sarah Palin and the entire Republican Party.'...'How was that Mr. Rove?']
September 10, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
God I love this man!
And he's going to win, dammit. We just cannot accept less.
September 10, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Amen. I like a sermon with the word dammit in it too!
September 10, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly what I was hoping to hear.
September 10, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's right, Barack! Shame the media for allowing McCain to use them to perpetrate this fake outrage. And shame McCain for his "talk about anything but the issues" campaign strategy.
September 10, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm going to just go ahead and say it...
This was all a GENIUS plot to capture the spotlight again, discuss the REAL issues, stand up taller than the other guy, and smack the media Rovian style by telling them they need to do a better job.
Absolutely brilliant strategy.
September 10, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm inclined to agree with you.
Obama knows that McCain's boys are itching to pounce on anything to score cheap points, and the longer he makes them wait for something to pounce on the greater the chances of their doing something epically stupid.
I blogged about it last night, and if you'll pardon the sports comparison, this is positively Jordan-esque - slow-walking the ball and drawing the defender in, then making a tiny move to force a mistake.
Muhammed Ali? Nah. Pure MJ.
September 10, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
If so, Obama may have just out-roved Rove.
September 10, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree. If Obama wanted to be deliberately controversial, he would have called Palin a tarted up bitch, which is what a pitbull in lipstick is.
I do agree that he pivoted back to issues well, but feel that he didn't slam McCain hard enough. Expect to see another installment of "Obama Called My Bitch a Bad Name" some time soon.
September 10, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's fine, in fact, it's wonderful! -- Those who didn't 'get it' this time, now have a nice little road map or translation book, courtesy of Obama, so that THEY can recognize it themselves the next time they see it. Someone believes something a great deal more firmly if they see it for themselves and reach their own conclusions rather than if someone tells them what happens and they have to rely on memory (but are never really sure if things happened as they've been told).
I think highly of Obama's skills but don't think he planned this ........ but he knew that at some point they would go too far, with something, and he was prepared to pounce when it built up just to the right pitch. ------- To me that's more impressive, but also more honest, than Rovian manpulative techniques. As GWB's administration has taught us, Rove techniques may be great for elections but sure are lousy for governing. If what Obama did was accurately assess the nature of his opposition and then position himself to be able to take advantage of a predictable, self-caused stumble, THAT is a skill that can be used wonderfully well in many contexts!
It's called being not just a leader but a wise leader. (Thank you, Joe Biden, for the best line of the whole campaign.)
September 10, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and somewhat OT but I am waiting for Halperin et al to highlight that WV poll and how McCain is "in trouble" in his Appalachian stronghold.
*crickets*
September 10, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Either way, that WV poll is pretty damn interesting, no?
September 10, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
linky?
September 10, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is exactly way Obama should have addressed this crazy season of nothing perpertrated by the media.
September 10, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's a start. Now that you're finally mad, Barack, start kicking McGigolo in the balls every single day instead of just responding to attacks.
And I want 527's (which Obama can "denounce, same way the Rethugs always play this game) to go right after what McTraitor actually did in POW camp by his own admission- he "cracked". That is, he gave them a hell of a lot more than name, rank and serial number- he even made propaganda videos for them. Let's see those videos.
Enough is enough, all right. This is a war, not a tiddlywinks match.
September 10, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, that Obama education ad was offense. It triggered the sleazy "Kindergarten sex ed" crazy defense/counter attack, which at least so far, appears to have been a sleaze too far (though I don't have cable so maybe I am wrong).
September 10, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with you. I was happy to see them starting a fight for once. But it has to happen all the time. Keep them back on their heels for a change.
September 10, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's it thrown the crap right back in the face of those reTHUGlican pigs.........By the way isn't Miss Piggy Karl Rove's underground name in the S&M underground.....I hear Miss Piggy Rove is quite the bottom!
September 10, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like you!
September 10, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are times when it seems like Obama actually listens to advice from the base and the liberal (real, not corporate) media. This is one of those times. Maybe Olbermann got through to him in the Countdown interview.
September 10, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely NOT! He gets information from everywhere, but I think his entire campaign strategy is his and his alone -- that is the only way it can be so consistent and coherent.
September 10, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGHHHHHHHH !!
September 10, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Overall I was pleased. Focusing the lipstick crap into a fram about larger issues was smart. But I would have liked to hear about the sex ed ad. That's even more despicable on McCain's part. Obama should have owned him on that crap.
Pufferfish
September 10, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
thank you Obama.
September 10, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
thank you Obama.
September 10, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, Obama. That's exactly the way I would have responded.
September 10, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think this was a great response from Obama, especially the line at the end about loving his country too much to go through this again. As long as Obama can keep the narrative about the issues, he'll be in good shape, and I think he did that well today. He didn't come out and point out that McCain used the line before, which would just be taking the bait. Lets keep our eye on the ball here and focus on the issues. While it may have been absurd for McCain to call Obama out on this, just focus on the issues.
I think that the major hurdle right now that Obama needs to overcome is the fact that the tactics and politics that McCain is using have been seen so often before. So, responding by pointing out things like McCain is lying or McCain is taking money from lobbyists just doesn't grab people's attention because the public is used to hearing this every election cycle. While it is certainly worth noting about McCain, its not likely to sway people. Because Obama is new to the scene, all the attacks on him seem fresh, which is why I think they've worked well (i.e. the celebrity add). If the Obama camp can keep the focus on the issues, I think they'll be in good shape.
September 10, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
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September 10, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think this was a great response from Obama, especially the line at the end about loving his country too much to go through this again. As long as Obama can keep the narrative about the issues, he'll be in good shape, and I think he did that well today. He didn't come out and point out that McCain used the line before, which would just be taking the bait. Lets keep our eye on the ball here and focus on the issues. While it may have been absurd for McCain to call Obama out on this, just focus on the issues.
I think that the major hurdle right now that Obama needs to overcome is the fact that the tactics and politics that McCain is using have been seen so often before. So, responding by pointing out things like McCain is lying or McCain is taking money from lobbyists just doesn't grab people's attention because the public is used to hearing this every election cycle. While it is certainly worth noting about McCain, its not likely to sway people. Because Obama is new to the scene, all the attacks on him seem fresh, which is why I think they've worked well (i.e. the celebrity add). If the Obama camp can keep the focus on the issues, I think they'll be in good shape.
September 10, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have got to stop reading Halperin. He's now got it all framed about Hillary telling Obama "I told you so" and Bill helping Obama get the dialogue away from "Obama's past remarks."
What about fricking' McCain??? My head is going to explode.
September 10, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Halperin is a right-wing hack. One of the stupidest pundits ever to grace cable news.
September 10, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Halperin is a right-wing hack. One of the stupidest pundits ever to grace cable news.
September 10, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this was a great response from Obama, especially the line at the end about loving his country too much to go through this again. As long as Obama can keep the narrative about the issues, he'll be in good shape, and I think he did that well today. He didn't come out and point out that McCain used the line before, which would just be taking the bait. Lets keep our eye on the ball here and focus on the issues. While it may have been absurd for McCain to call Obama out on this, just focus on the issues.
I think that the major hurdle right now that Obama needs to overcome is the fact that the tactics and politics that McCain is using have been seen so often before. So, responding by pointing out things like McCain is lying or McCain is taking money from lobbyists just doesn't grab people's attention because the public is used to hearing this every election cycle. While it is certainly worth noting about McCain, its not likely to sway people. Because Obama is new to the scene, all the attacks on him seem fresh, which is why I think they've worked well (i.e. the celebrity add). If the Obama camp can keep the focus on the issues, I think they'll be in good shape.
September 10, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whoooo hoooo!!! He's back :-)
September 10, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama can't fight back, tit for tat, on the multiple smears, lies, misstatements, every day...
I'd love to see an ad that has McCain and Palin doing the limbo, with Rove, Cheney, Bush, and other recognizable GOP folk cheering them on...with a voice over saying "How low can they go? How low can they go?" Then switch to: "McCain promised to run a civil, honorable campaign. Where'd that guy go?"
Such an approach focuses on the tactics of the McCain campaign, not the substance--and could be repeated endlessly in talking points and surrogates. It's got the slightly humorous, dismissive tone that Obama does so well on the stump.
September 10, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Obama can't fight back..."
Oh give it a rest, will you?
If he hadn't taken this tactic, all anyone would be saying is "why won't he fight back?"
He fights back, and now it's "He can't be fighting back like this..."
It is as absurd as the media coverage of this race is.
September 10, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
i was only saying that he can't respond to every single thing every single day...or he'd talk about nothing else.
i think his response today was spot on.
September 10, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
i was only saying that he can't respond to every single thing every single day...or he'd talk about nothing else.
i think his response today was spot on.
September 10, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
i was only saying that he can't respond to every single thing every single day...or he'd talk about nothing else.
i think his response today was spot on.
September 10, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
what i was saying was that he can't (and shouldn't) respond to every single separate attack every single day...
i think what he did today, to brush the attacks off at a meta level, was perfect.
September 10, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
sorry, but you misread me...
i was only saying that he can't--and shouldn't--respond to every single piece of mud...
i think what he did today was perfect
September 10, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I certainly did misread you, because this sentiment:
was nowhere to be found.September 10, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
you misread me...
i meant that he can't--and shouldn't--respond to each and every single attack separately
i think what he did today was spot on
September 10, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
KERMIT & MISS PIGGY 08!!
BARNYARD FIRST!!!
LOL
September 10, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
This should be the plan from now until Nov. 4. Whatever crap the McCain campaign dishes out, say "Enough. They're just trying to confuse you. Enough is enough."
September 10, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree. He cannot win this by playing defense every single time one of these stupid stories come up. He has to, has to, has to, make McCain defend himself.
I am a supporter and I have been pretty confident all along but this sort of stuff is starting to frustrate me. Obama is constantly playing defense. This and the pedophile ad gave him an opportunity to play offense, to turn this back on McCain directly and force him to defend himself against charges that he is avoiding discussion of serious issues by sleaze and innuendo and lies. This statement from Obama won't change the narrative. It won't even force McCain to change exactly what he is doing. He will either to continue to repeat the smears or make up a new one tomorrow and Obama will go out and play defense again. That would manifestly be a losing strategy.
September 10, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
This "defense" by Obama is one he should use every single day. Don't wait for an attack, don't expect the media to do its job, keep repeating that you, the American voter, is going to lose if all we talk about is trivial bullsh%t like this.
This response isn't a defense. It's an attack, and one that should be repeated every day.
September 10, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I think he did just fine in response to the sex ed ad. He questioned McCain's honor --- the one big, huge red button that everyone in the world knows McCain has. And in another release yesterday there was reference to his "dishonorable" campaign. Think of these as warnings .... or maybe as those notes in classical music that 'foreshadow' a theme that comes later in the play. At some point - the right point - McCain's honor, his chief stock in trade, is going to be squarely in the cross-hairs ...... and the only way McCain can avoid it is to stop this crap and concentrate on the issues (where
of course Obama has the decided advantage).
I really think that that response, including the word 'honor,' was holding up a warning card: "continue down this path if you want but this is where it leads to - or you can save face, go back to talking about the issues and no more will be said"
I am so unbelievably impressed with this fellow. No one does this stuff this well by thinking or taking advice - it's an instinct and understanding that you either have or don't have. --- That doesn't mean I trust the Am. voters to do the right thing and elect him, but that doesn't change the fact that he is one HELL of a tactician!
September 10, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Press releases by campaign spokesman is not going to do the trick. I saw that release about McCain's honor. In three hours of tv news, I haven't seen it mentioned once today. Strongly worded statements are fine but he needs to change the narrative. He has to get network anchors asking McCain spokesman to defend him against the charges that he has no honor and, more importantly, that he is deliberately trying to trivialize the issues facing Americans. Until he figures out a way to do that, he will spend everyday from now until the end of the election answering some question about what John McCain said about him. I understand that he wants to stay on message but right now his message is getting lost in the noise.
September 10, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't get too excited. His faux outrage at being called for his sexism and the laughter of the audience will not bury this. McCain's ad is very direct and compelling. Give this a few days in the news and he'll be offering an apology, lame as it might be.
September 10, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
nice try. the advantage obama has is that he speaks to us like adults. he very well may lose this thing but he's playing his game, not theirs. every pundit who gets on the tv and offers their sage advice about what obama needs to do to "get back on track" is playing the republicans game.
obama is doing something we americans have become ill accustomed to, leading. it looks strange at first. we don't know how to read it. we get scared. we run for the comfort of the republican fear tactics because it is what we know best.
i know you're afraid. that's okay. the republicans are just as afraid as your are.
September 10, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Don't get too excited. His faux outrage at being called for his sexism and the laughter of the audience will not bury this."
..so says the designated Larry Johnson sperm catcher who writes on a reprehensible blog that constantly questions Obama's citizenship and other xenophobic smears. Shut the fuck up asshat, we all know you are not to be listened to.
"McCain's ad is very direct and compelling."
It you are retarded, possibly.
"Give this a few days in the news and he'll be offering an apology, lame as it might be."
How lame is it for a bigot to think that we'd take his advice for Obama seriously? Recklessly run somewhere while loosely clutching scissors motherfucker.
September 10, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
nice try. the advantage obama has is that he speaks to us like adults. he very well may lose this thing but he's playing his game, not theirs. every pundit who gets on the tv and offers their sage advice about what obama needs to do to "get back on track" is playing the republicans game.
obama is doing something we americans have become ill accustomed to, leading. it looks strange at first. we don't know how to read it. we get scared. we run for the comfort of the republican fear tactics because it is what we know best.
i know you're afraid. that's okay. the republicans are just as afraid as your are.
September 10, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
sexism? boy is that lame!
September 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! TEE-SHIRTS OUT TOMORROW!
September 10, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry but this is not nearly a strong enough response. It will not even come close to penetrating the stupidity that is thrown up around this whole story. I am not one of those who feels it is my place to give the Obama unsolicited advice but I think he had a chance here to force a change of the debate with some righteous indignation.
Saying "this is the same old politics" doesn't cut it because it doesn't make the point nearly forcefully enough about just how slimy this sort of crap is. He needs to point out in simple and stark terms that this is sleazy, beneath contempt and most of all, an insult to women. More than that, it is yet another in a long series of lies that the McCain campaign has decided to build their message on.
My point is that what he says may sound good to us but he needs to make McCain suffer a serious penalty for this kind of crap and this kind of mildly mocking and erudite commentary is not going to achieve that. He needed to make McCain defend his tactics on this by making the story about McCain's personal dishonesty and lack of honor.
But that is not what will happen now. What will happen now is that McCain will either press the issue exactly as he has been or he will conjure up a brand new fake outrage tomorrow. Until he is made to suffer for it, and clearly the media is not going to be helpful on this front until they are forced to be, he is going to keep using the same tactics and getting the same results.
September 10, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
dontcha just hate it obama get's out of another republican jam just by talking to us? admit it. it's okay.
September 10, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I actually have no idea what you are trying to say here and I have no idea who you think "us" is, but I will make my point again. He hasn't gotten out of anything and if he spends the rest of the election responding to each new attack in this way, he will lose handily. He has to change the dynamic here.
Put it another way. So now he has said "enough is enough." When John McCain repeats this smear or when he makes up a new one tomorrow, will he say "enough is enough" again? Its a toothless sort of statement. It may make "us" feel good but it doesn't change the narrative in his favor.
The other problem is that it is vague. "They" are doing something wrong. When will "they" see the error of their ways and change their behavior. But "they" are not the enemy here. McCain is. He barely even mentions McCain in this statement. At what point will "enough is enough" actually turn into some sort of penalty for John McCain because it sure hasn't hurt him yet.
At some point, Obama is going to have to turn this around and make McCain actually defend himself. When he was on the offense he was winning. If he doesn't get back on offense, he will lose. That's the simple truth and the fact that his statement apparently made you feel good doesn't change that.
September 10, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
More of the same please!
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September 10, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think Barack should do what Joe Scarborough and Chris Matthews suggested this morning: challenge John McCain to call him a sexist himself and to stop hiding behind female surrogates. Come out straight and just say it, "John McCain, if you think I'm sexist say it yourself and say it to my face. Tell my wife and my daughters that I'm sexist, if you truly believe it. If not then tell your surrogates to shut the hell up and let's talk about the issues."
September 10, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seconded.
September 10, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is exactly way Obama should have addressed this crazy season of nothing perpertrated by the media.
September 10, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
If he had said this: "You can put lipstick on a pitbull but you still wouldn't trust it with your children." That would've been an attack on Sarah Palin.
September 10, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great line. You know there was a "Hockey Dad" in Massachusettes who behaved like a Pit Bull. He is doing time and another Hockey Dad is dead.
September 10, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whoa, guys -- it's totally OT but Pit Bulls can be some of the nicest dogs you'll ever know. They used to be the American family dog (Little Rascals, Buster Brown, etc.) Don't go maligning a noble breed of dogs by comparing them to Palin and that Hockey Dad. (The problem with Pits is that they are intensely smart, active and loyal and will do what they believe their owners want them to do. Look to the owners, not the dogs.)
September 10, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whoa, guys -- it's totally OT but Pit Bulls can be some of the nicest dogs you'll ever know. They used to be the American family dog (Little Rascals, Buster Brown, etc.) Don't go maligning a noble breed of dogs by comparing them to Palin and that Hockey Dad. (The problem with Pits is that they are intensely smart, active and loyal and will do what they believe their owners want them to do. Look to the owners, not the dogs.)
September 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Barack should do what Joe Scarborough and Chris Matthews suggested this morning: challenge John McCain to call him a sexist himself and to stop hiding behind female surrogates. Come out straight and just say it, "John McCain, if you think I'm sexist say it yourself and say it to my face. Tell my wife and my daughters that I'm sexist, if you truly believe it. If not then tell your surrogates to shut the hell up and let's talk about the issues."
September 10, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like that idea as well, come the debates I think that is what he should do.
September 10, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think Barack should do what Joe Scarborough and Chris Matthews suggested this morning: challenge John McCain to call him a sexist himself and to stop hiding behind female surrogates. Come out straight and just say it, "John McCain, if you think I'm sexist say it yourself and say it to my face. Tell my wife and my daughters that I'm sexist, if you truly believe it. If not then tell your surrogates to shut the hell up and let's talk about the issues."
September 10, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
More of the same please!
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September 10, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm so pissed off with the McCain/Palin/Rove bullshit that I 've decided I cannot afford NOT to max out my contributions at $2,300. The check is in the mail. It's a small price to pay for my childrens' future.
September 10, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Paid online. Come on people! How much will you pay to help slay a monster?
September 10, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Done!
September 10, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Abraham Lincoln famously asked how many legs a calf would have if you called its tail a leg.
John McCain, who was a young man at the time, replied "STOP INSULTING MY RUNNING MATE!"
September 10, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
ENOUGH! Stop complaining, begging for the election to return to issues and STRIKE BACK.
Call out McCain and Palin's lies, and call them lies. Not deceptions, not fibs, not exaggerations, but LIES. The Obama campaign has a thousand openings to start attacking John McCain's character, and we're not taking them.
September 10, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Senator, I know John Kerry and you sir are NO John Kerry!
September 10, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, you missed this gem:
September 10, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
ENOUGH! Stop complaining about the coverage and McCain's slime (i.e. "enough is enough"), and begging for the election to return to issues. Instead, STRIKE BACK already.
Call out McCain and Palin's lies, and call them lies. Not deceptions, not fibs, not exaggerations, but LIES. The Obama campaign has a thousand openings to start attacking John McCain's character, and we're not taking them.
September 10, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Too weak, Barack.
Dems are going to get rolled again this November.
Things are looking good for Hilary(ous) in 2112.
September 10, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
O shut up!
I mean - y'all are so tired and so boring with this bullshit.
I've heard the same fucking bullshit now through 4 fucking elections online.
Give it up, trolls - I could write your script for you. I have it memorized after going through this 4 times.
September 10, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Look, Hillary Clinton will be 165 in 2112. I think she'd be better off running in 2016 when she'll only be 69. I'm not trying to be ageist here, but so far, no one has (officially) lived past the age of 120, yet alone made it to 165 and then been elected President of the United States.
September 10, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
ENOUGH! Stop complaining about the coverage and McCain's slime (i.e. "enough is enough"), and begging for the election to return to issues. Instead, STRIKE BACK already.
Call out McCain and Palin's lies, and call them lies. Not deceptions, not fibs, not exaggerations, but LIES. The Obama campaign has a thousand openings to start attacking John McCain's character, and we're not taking them.
September 10, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is it enough? I know Josh believes Obama should be on offense every day and I get it. As he says on the front page, Obama shouldn't even have addressed this. I disagree, since it's already the talk of cable and will become the major story of the day by the evening the way these things go. I wish he had called McCain out directly for using the line himself and brought up the child sex ad in the same breath. But this is better than I expected. I only hope it is enough.
September 10, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe that is what Josh is saying but I actually took his point to be more that if he was going to address it, he should have used to opportunity to get back on offense. Don't defend his statement. Make John McCain defend his statement(s).
September 10, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Too weak, Barack.
Dems are going to get rolled again this November.
Things are looking good for Hilary(ous) in 2112.
September 10, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good statement--I wish he conveyed a little more anger about it though.
September 10, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama needs to employ some Rove-style tactics himself. He needs to hit John McCain's integrity.
Here's the script.
He was against George Bush's tax cuts...before he was for them.
She was for the Bridge to Nowhere...before she was for it.
He promised a campaign of integrity (flash editorials decrying "gutter politics")...then took the campaign into the gutter.
He said he was independent ... (flash ominous images of campaign officials, them stamp with the words "Washington lobbyist" followed by image of Abramoff in his hat and trench coat)...but he's owned by the corporate interests.
Why can't John McCain tell the truth?
You just can't trust John McCain.
I'm Barack Obama and I approved this message.
September 10, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama should say "John McCain just doesn't get it. I did not call Sarah Palin a pig. She's the lipstick, he's the pig." We can expect to hear McCain say any minute now "My friends, I never saw lipstick for five and a half years...."
September 10, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Stop playing DEFENSE and start playing OFFENCE!! Stop REACTING! Make THEM react!
Every day we're responding to them and they;re not responding to us is a LOST DAY!
September 10, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Quit yelling.
I'm sick of this bullshit. STop it!
Obama is fine doing what he does best.
You cannot campaign for him.
September 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Quit yelling - Obama can't hear you.
And you cannot campaign for him. This is his campaign and it's a hell of a well run campaign.
September 10, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is more of what we need to see from our candidate. The key now is for message discipline. Every Democrat needs to have these lines down. Whenever a phony/trivial issue is brought up, this must be the response. This is particularly true for media interviews or panel discussions. The reporter ought to be reminded that his program/network has been pushing the story and then simply ask him if this is a more important issue than education, the war or the economy. Same in response to a Republican operative in a group discussion.
September 10, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
barackarate!!!
September 10, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll say.
September 10, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the vid. The delivery is smooooooooth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zAbeu3v3Wc
September 10, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link. It shows how the hand-wringers and concern trolls are just blowing hot air. He's cool, focused and he fights back with an extra barackarate!!! offensive blow.
September 10, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love it!
September 10, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like the statement today. I would like something more direct- namely, I want Obama to challenge McCain and the media to focus on the issues until November. The American people deserve no less.
September 10, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
What do you think he did, exactly?
September 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
They've been doing a lot of "running" those two:
Running from a president that they both support over 90% of the time
Running from their own failed policies on healthcare, education, housing, taxes, and energy.
Running from 5 years of failed policies in a war that should never have been waged. (The surge only "worked" when we come home and Iraq is stable. Until that day comes - it's just another tactic.)
Running from a Bridge to Nowhere to a Presidency to Nowhere.
The one thing they are running toward is a campaign built upon lies, distortions and distractions - everything but solutions for the American people.
Keep running John. There's plenty of room in Alaska.
September 10, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did he look emotional in anyway? Seriously some emotion would be perfect for a moment like this.
September 10, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, I think I see what Obama was up to. He wanted to talk about how easily distracted the media was and so he planted the pig comment yesterday to illustrate his point. That idea sort of made sense yesterday. But I think it's just the wrong opening today. I think that McCain sex ad changed everything; Obama needs to seize on that and use it to pivot to the attack. The story needs to be about McCain's lies and dishonor, not about the distracted media.
September 10, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
And why is Obama not pointing out that on the day the media and John McCain are talking about lipstick and pigs, the stock market dropped nearly four percent -- chewing up the 401Ks of retirees across America. No wonder McCain wants to talk lipstick and pigs. The timing is not accidental. I predict that you'll see a lot more phony outrage and media-courting attack ads from McCain on days when there's bad economic news. He's quite successfully distracting the conversation.
September 10, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can I just make a comment to everyone?
After you click send, and it appears that nothing is happening, let it go.
Don't click on send again. Open a new window, and just keep reading. Your comment gets posted, even if you get an error message.
It's getting a bit much, the multiple postings.
(And please, I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just trying to point out that you should click on send once, and LET.IT.GO.)
September 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
The problem is that I've tried to open a new window and refresh to see if it is posted. I've refreshed a dozen times, waited five minutes, and the post doesn't show. I post again, and voila, it's posted all of a sudden like five times. I'm not sure if it is a caching issue, but the fact is it doesn't always give you the most current version fo the page. Notice also how some of the most recent Reader Posts show up "missing" if you click on them.
September 10, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've been meaning to point that out.
Think of it this way - if it were an online shopping site and you did what you're doing here, you'd have bought 5 or 6 of the same item by now. :)
Patience. The scripts are groaning, but they are working. Click once.
Thank you. That is all.
September 10, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent.
It''s good to see him use the 'L' word (lies).
Finally, a Democratic presidential candidate with the backbone to call a liar a liar.
September 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, I think I see what Obama was up to. He wanted to talk about how easily distracted the media was and so he planted the pig comment yesterday to illustrate his point. That idea sort of made sense yesterday. But I think it's just the wrong opening today. I think that McCain sex ad changed everything; Obama needs to seize on that and use it to pivot to the attack. The story needs to be about McCain's lies and dishonor, not about the distracted media.
September 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
I see Obama's rationale. There's plenty for them to be focused on, if they want to sell newspapers. They could focus on the McCain camps lying but instead they focus on the silly non issue that everyone KNOWS is a non issue. The Republicans can usually get away with a lot more. Why? Partly because every time the press goes bad for them they scream blue murder. I do think that Obama should set into place blue murder screamers for him..but I think what he's trying to do above is do a little political ju-jitsu and use his complaint as an attack as well.
September 10, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see Obama's rationale. There's plenty for them to be focused on, if they want to sell newspapers. They could focus on the McCain camps lying but instead they focus on the silly non issue that everyone KNOWS is a non issue. The Republicans can usually get away with a lot more. Why? Partly because every time the press goes bad for them they scream blue murder. I do think that Obama should set into place blue murder screamers for him..but I think what he's trying to do above is do a little political ju-jitsu and use his complaint as an attack as well.
September 10, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boy, talk about a manic-depressive thread.
Obama struck the right chord.
He didn't get this far by being stupid or weak.
September 10, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome counter punch, by BO.
One more thought: Tomorrow both McSleaze and Obama will go to 9/11 ceremonies together.
The funny thing here is that McCain will spend today with his faux outrage, and then have to stuff it back up his a$$ and make nice to Obama. The country will see that McCain is a lying sack of $hit, and that, he's not so outraged after all.
Good timing to expose the total PHONY that Mccain really is.
September 10, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is a very smart man. He will not engage until there is no time for them to respond. He knows it takes at least 2 days to recover from any major pivot. He isn't going to waste his best stuff with 50 days left. It's best late on a Friday to punch and have the weekend just soak it up. Watch for a Friday jab.
September 10, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent.
It''s good to see him use the 'L' word (lies).
Finally, a Democratic presidential candidate with the backbone to call a liar a liar.
September 10, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
AND ... she is the Lipstick on the Pig.
September 10, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't the joke obvious? Sarah Palin is the lipstick and McCain is the pig!
I am sure the McCain camp realizes just what a nerve that line could touch going forward so they attacked it right away, distorting the meaning into an attack on Palin and crying sexism.
Of course Obama reacts instead of attacks.
He should have made it clear - McCain's policies = pig; Palin = lipstick on that pig.
Instead he lectures the press and the public for being distracted by petty disputes. Lame.
There is an old story about politics that goes like this:
Candidate: "Put the word out that my opponent has carnal knowledge of pigs."
Political operative: "We can't do that boss that's over the line."
Candidate: "I don't care if it's over the line, I just want to see the SOB deny it."
Obama just denied it and probably will be too scared to use that line again. Victory (again) for McCain.
September 10, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're wrong. True, this was a reaction, but it's a reaction to McCain's reaction that frames all the attacks coming from McCain as distractions from the real issues.
It also kind of turns the tables on the Republicans - a Democrat attacking the media? A Democrat using colorful language without caring whether somebody is offended?
September 10, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
you misread me...
i meant that he can't--and shouldn't--respond to each and every single attack separately
i think what he did today was spot on
September 10, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I read the news today, oh boy ...
September 10, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Promise this isn't a Rick Roll.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnpCDPIfb9I
September 10, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
O really? Do you read the front page? How come Josh is telling us that every major media outlet is calling McLame on his lies?
Jesus. Fucking. Christ!~
September 10, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ya know, I respect the fact that you are an Obama enthusiast and I would bet that I want him to win as much as anybody, but the narrative out there is just not playing the way you think it is or that I hope it would. Josh's examples notwithstanding, the press is, by and large, treating this the way they treat all controversies in the village where the truth is always somewhere in the middle. Yes, there are some high profile journalists that have expressed some relatively mild distaste for McCain's tactics here but by and large, it is pretty clear that McCain is doing what he is doing because he is not paying any price for it. Unless Obama does something to change this dynamic he will be, at best, even money by the time November rolls around.
September 10, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is a very smart man. He will not engage until there is no time for them to respond. He knows it takes at least 2 days to recover from any major pivot. He isn't going to waste his best stuff with 50 days left. It's best late on a Friday to punch and have the weekend just soak it up. Watch for a Friday jab.
September 10, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a well crafted statement.
Unfortunately it falls once again into the categories of:
1. Responding
2. Explaining
His attempt at offense, the "pig" statement was tone deaf.
This is a guy who has great poise, great elocution, nd no ability to lead or play offense.
If you're responding and explaining, you're losing.
September 10, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those two have sure been running a lot lately:
They've been running from a president they both support over 90% of the time.
They've been running from failed policies on education, taxes, housing, energy, healthcare and jobs.
But they've been toward more failed policies in a war that should never have been waged - (the surge only "worked" when our troops come home and Iraq is stabilized otherwise it's just another short-term tactic.)
The one thing they have run well is a campiagn built on lies, distortions and distractions without any solutions for the American people.
So much running and yet they haven't really gone anywhere at all.
It's like they have been running on a bridge that leads, well, to nowhere.
Keep running John and Sarah. There's plenty of room in Alaska.
September 10, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
you misread me...
i meant that he can't--and shouldn't--respond to each and every single attack separately
i think what he did today was spot on
September 10, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like it, but it could be stronger. Why not say:
"This is the kind of thing they have to do because they CAN'T run on the issues.
"Sen. McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time. Gov. Palin loves earmarks for her town and state -- it's not just her support for the Bridge to Nowhere, it's way bigger than that.
"So their reform claim is bogus, and it's starting to get exposed. So they have to change the subject. And they have nothing else to fall back on, except phony controversies and false ads."
And then he can say "You know who ends up losing?" etc. etc.
September 10, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
this was a good response, but let's get back to the sex ed thing.
September 10, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have a feeling that the media has reached its tolerance for being bullied by the McCain campaign. Once that tolerance has been reached, you very well might see more hard-hitting stories on the outrageous lies the GOPers are willing to tell, suggesting that they believe the American people are stupid little sheep. Maybe. Or they might roll over on their backs an pee themselves as usual.
September 10, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
@HusseingTenaX
That's exactly the point -- we're talking about the Bridge to Nowhere and Lipstick on a Pig instead of the economy. Sorry -- but John McCain would rather defend himself against whether or not Palin is lying or exaggerating about the bridge than the current state of the economy. And if all the charges of "lying" are so powerful, why are all the polls swinging McCain's way? Because we're not talking about the economy anymore. It's so obvious. Did you ever stop to wonder why Palin keeps repeating the bridge line?? Precisely to provoke the sort of debate we're having now. It's not an accident. So obsess over Palin and the bridge -- and then get back to us about whether her being proved a liar on the bridge issue actually affects the outcome of the general election.
September 10, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me get this straight. McCain can say that Obama wants to teach sex education to Kindergarten kids, and the media go, "Meh, big deal." But if Obama, in the context of discussing economic policy, uses a cliched image that everyone has heard and repeated since they were in high school, the media pounces on it as blatant sexism? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm thoroughly paranoid about what I've been witnessing these past six to eight weeks. I feel like this election is being totally controlled behind the scenes, as if the corporate media are in direct cahoots with the McCain campaign to savage Obama's chances. Half of me says that can't be, the other half asks what else can explain it? It's simply uncanny how deftly and completely McCain & Co. are controlling the buzz. In effect, they, McCain & Co. have called Palin a pig with lipstick and successfully blamed the remark on Obama, and the media, compliantly, have turned over at least two news cycles to the Obama-is-a-sexist meme. What the fuck is going on?
September 10, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me get this straight. McCain can say that Obama wants to teach sex education to Kindergarten kids, and the media go, "Meh, big deal." But if Obama, in the context of discussing economic policy, uses a cliched image that everyone has heard and repeated since they were in high school, the media pounces on it as blatant sexism? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm thoroughly paranoid about what I've been witnessing these past six to eight weeks. I feel like this election is being totally controlled behind the scenes, as if the corporate media are in direct cahoots with the McCain campaign to savage Obama's chances. Half of me says that can't be, the other half asks what else can explain it? It's simply uncanny how deftly and completely McCain & Co. are controlling the buzz. In effect, they, McCain & Co. have called Palin a pig with lipstick and successfully blamed the remark on Obama, and the media, compliantly, have turned over at least two news cycles to the Obama-is-a-sexist meme. What the fuck is going on?
September 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
I love it. I want more of it.
The battle cry of this election has appeared.
September 10, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am a Republican. I am embarrassed by this nonsense and am voting for Obama. Please send some money today to www.barackobama.com
September 10, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome to the darkside of the Force . . . May it serve you well.
And:
Thank you.
RLA
September 10, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome to the darkside of the Force . . . May it serve you well.
And:
Thank you.
RLA
September 10, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
I love it. I want more of it.
The battle cry of this election has appeared.
September 10, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I feel he's about to pivot from Bridge of Lies counterattack and move to a combined arms offensive
September 10, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
I love it. I want more of it.
The battle cry of this election has appeared.
September 10, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please put the video up!!! The video is GREAT!!
September 10, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please put the video up!!! The video is GREAT!!
September 10, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can always tell when a pig is stuck. They squeal. Just like they did when General Clark told the truth about John McCain. Unfortunately for the McCain campaign, this pig and lipstick analogy will last the duration of the campaign. It was brilliant!
Whenever the Repubs start talking about cutting "pork" or bringing home the "bacon", folks will think of "lipstick". When they mention "porkbarrel", they will think of pitbull with the lipstick. Sarah Palin thought she was making a cute remark but it was loaded for a comeback for the git-go. I haven't had so much fun since the hogs ate my little brother...
September 10, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here we go again!
As John Kerry PROVED to us in 2004, the truth of the matter doesn't mean squat.
This is like high school. The facts don't matter. It's all about who has the best zinger.(Not that McCain's camp HAS the best lines) It's more like who gets the biggest reaction from the crowd. And for the people who were not there, well they don't want to be left out, so they ask what everybody is cheering about?!? So when they're told that Obama said Palin is the lipstick to McCain's pig. Well they get all outraged.
"Some of you may have -- I'm assuming you guys have heard this, watching the news. I'm talking about John McCain's economic politics, I say, "This is more of the same, you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig." "
So what if Obama is talking about John McCain's economic politics. He called Palin a pig with lipstick.
September 10, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me get this straight. McCain can say that Obama wants to teach sex education to Kindergarten kids, and the media go, "Meh, big deal." But if Obama -- in the context of discussing economic policy, for Christ's sake -- uses a cliched image that everyone has heard and repeated since they were in high school, the media pounce on it as raising a question of possible sexism? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm thoroughly paranoid about the coverage I've been witnessing these past six to eight weeks. I feel like this election is being totally controlled behind the scenes, as if the corporate media are in direct cahoots with the McCain campaign to savage Obama's chances. Half of me says that it can't be so, while the other half asks what else can explain it? Otherwise, it's simply uncanny how deftly and completely McCain & Co. are controlling the media buzz on a daily basis. And I'm talking about buzz, images, and sound bites, the kind of stuff that sinks into the collective psyche, not abstract questions about possible lying on the part of the McCain campaign. In effect, McCain & Co. themselves have conjured the image of Palin as a pig with lipstick and successfully blamed it on Obama. And the media, compliantly, have turned over at least two news cycles to the "Is Obama a sexist?" meme. What the devil is this? Am I paranoid?
September 10, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama should just attack the hell outta McCain's concept of honor over this. How can a man with integrity and honor hire the exact same people that smeared him in 2000 by saying he fathered a black baby out of wedlock?? What does that say about his character? I'd hammer that message every hour on the hour til hell freezes over...
September 10, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
B. Hussein Obama: the politics of hope, bullshit, smears. Barry Hussein you are a pig with lipstick!
Go Bimbo!
Barry = LOSER!
September 10, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama should just attack the hell outta McCain's concept of honor over this. How can a man with integrity and honor hire the exact same people that smeared him in 2000 by saying he fathered a black baby out of wedlock?? What does that say about his character? I'd hammer that message every hour on the hour til hell freezes over...
September 10, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama should just attack the hell outta McCain's concept of honor over this. How can a man with integrity and honor hire the exact same people that smeared him in 2000 by saying he fathered a black baby out of wedlock?? What does that say about his character? I'd hammer that message every hour on the hour til hell freezes over...
September 10, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama should just attack the hell outta McCain's concept of honor over this. How can a man with integrity and honor hire the exact same people that smeared him in 2000 by saying he fathered a black baby out of wedlock?? What does that say about his character? I'd hammer that message every hour on the hour til hell freezes over...
September 10, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama should just attack the hell outta McCain's concept of honor over this. How can a man with integrity and honor hire the exact same people that smeared him in 2000 by saying he fathered a black baby out of wedlock?? What does that say about his character? I'd hammer that message every hour on the hour til hell freezes over...
September 10, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can always tell when a pig is stuck. They squeal. Just like they did when General Clark told the truth about John McCain. Unfortunately for the McCain campaign, this pig and lipstick analogy will last the duration of the campaign. It was brilliant!
Whenever the Repubs start talking about cutting "pork" or bringing home the "bacon", folks will think of "lipstick". When they mention "porkbarrel", they will think of pitbull with the lipstick. Sarah Palin thought she was making a cute remark but it was loaded for a comeback for the git-go. I haven't had so much fun since the hogs ate my little brother...
September 10, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
lalo and this false pretense of "devil's advocate" is wearing me thin...
have you ever noticed that obama catches lalo's wrath no matter what is being said or done? this is more of the same from you lalo....
mccain camp is whining and it is high time obama called the pig a pig no matter how you dress it up!
September 10, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Check out the full video clip at CNN's site. (video: "Spare me"). The best is what follows on from the above transcripted segment.
September 10, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama should just attack the hell outta McCain's concept of honor over this. How can a man with integrity and honor hire the exact same people that smeared him in 2000 by saying he fathered a black baby out of wedlock?? What does that say about his character? I'd hammer that message every hour on the hour til hell freezes over...
September 10, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where are the surrogates? They need to be backing up our man.
September 10, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!
That's how 80% of the country feels!!!!
September 10, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!
That's how 80% of the country feels!!!!
September 10, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I watched the video- FINALLY he sounds angry. Keep it up! There are enough people who really are sick of this shit to win this election.
I want an "Enough is enough! Obama '08" bumper sticker!
September 10, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent response. Now Obama has to ignore Palin. Treat her like she isn't there--don't even mention her. Focus on McCain. Palin is getting too much attention from Obama and that makes it appear that she's, somehow, a relevant candidate. It should be McCain, McCain, McCain--not McCain/Palin.
Let the press get Palin--maybe Biden can do a little. Palin won't leave McCain's side, won't talk to the press, she is nothing but a distraction that aids the right wing.
No more mentioning Palin.
September 10, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent response. Now Obama has to ignore Palin. Treat her like she isn't there--don't even mention her. Focus on McCain. Palin is getting too much attention from Obama and that makes it appear that she's, somehow, a relevant candidate. It should be McCain, McCain, McCain--not McCain/Palin.
Let the press get Palin--maybe Biden can do a little. Palin won't leave McCain's side, won't talk to the press, she is nothing but a distraction that aids the right wing.
No more mentioning Palin.
September 10, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent response. Now Obama has to ignore Palin. Treat her like she isn't there--don't even mention her. Focus on McCain. Palin is getting too much attention from Obama and that makes it appear that she's, somehow, a relevant candidate. It should be McCain, McCain, McCain--not McCain/Palin.
Let the press get Palin--maybe Biden can do a little. Palin won't leave McCain's side, won't talk to the press, she is nothing but a distraction that aids the right wing.
No more mentioning Palin.
September 10, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know, I found Obama's response rather tepid. If it even merited a response at all (ratherthan just sticking to his guns) This crap from McCain needs to be dismissed with a single, sharp line -- or an easily remembered refrain.
"They think this campaign is about LIPSTICK! You don't know how you're going to afford gas to drive your kid to practice -- and THEY'RE talking about LIPSTICK! You're worried that your company's going to ship your job to Indonesia -- and THEY'RE talking about LIPSTICK!"
And so on.
Instead he takes six paragraphs to build an Aristotelean argument. A good argument, but in the world of political rhetoric, an instantly forgettable one.
I'm not of the mind that Obama needs to change the tone of his whole campaign. He does a lot more right than wrong. But he does need to make his points with more forceful language -- e.g. instead of "We can't afford four more years," how about, "We can't RISK four more years." I mean, who doesn't take a flyer on something you can't afford every so often. He makes it sound almost appealing.
Bottom line, he needs to speak from the heart, not the head. Or at least, he needs to make it sound like it's coming from his heart.
September 10, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, because he didn't flip out and rave like some crazed idiot, he's "tepid"? This is a man running for President of the United States - I want to see him keep his cool. He responded well enough, and we should all drop it. As he said, there are so many more important things we need to be concentrating on.
September 10, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent Response. Now Obama needs to forget Palin. Treat her like she isn't there--don't even mention her. Focus on McCain. Palin is getting too much attention from Obama and that makes it appear that she is, somehow, a relevant candidate. It should be McCain, McCain, McCain--not McCain/Palin.
Let the press get Palin--maybe Biden can do a little. Palin won't leave McCain's side, won't talk to the press, she is nothing but a distraction that aids the right wing.
No more mentioning Palin.
September 10, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama needs to think out of the box on addressing the smear campaign. Is there no one within the Obama campaign who can create effective, snark-filled responses while insulating Obama? Obama needs to create a Burger King like character that responds to the silly and dishonest McCain ads and that keeps Obama rolling on his talking points.
September 10, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I don't care what they say about me, but I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and swift-boat politics. Enough is enough."
Yes! Go Obama! Calling them directly on the *lies* is exactly what needs to be said.
Better still: www.electoral-vote.com and even election-projection.com clearly show Obama ahead in the electoral count. McCain has yet to go ahead in any of the Kerry-won states. And it is still a statistical tie in Virginia.
September 10, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
For those saying that Obama is not on the offense enough, his comments on economic policy were what sparked this faux controversy. He was playing offense, but on policy. This is actually McCain playing defense on policy, making him look crazy. He could have responded to Obama's critisism of his economic policy, but he didn't, because he can't. That is the real strategic point here, and others have already commented on it before. It seems like Obama's plan is to keep giving McCain more gasoline to pour upon himself so that he can burn more quickly. It is McCain who is playing defense, but it is the defense of a crazy person. It's Joe Pesci in "Goodfellas" saying "what do you mean funny?" Obama is looking to be the guy that has the opportunity at every turn to say "why can't we talk about the issues?"
I think this is all leading up to a "there you go again" moment in the debates.
September 10, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
For those saying that Obama is not on the offense enough, his comments on economic policy were what sparked this faux controversy. He was playing offense, but on policy. This is actually McCain playing defense on policy, making him look crazy. He could have responded to Obama's critisism of his economic policy, but he didn't, because he can't. That is the real strategic point here, and others have already commented on it before. It seems like Obama's plan is to keep giving McCain more gasoline to pour upon himself so that he can burn more quickly. It is McCain who is playing defense, but it is the defense of a crazy person. It's Joe Pesci in "Goodfellas" saying "what do you mean funny?" Obama is looking to be the guy that has the opportunity at every turn to say "why can't we talk about the issues?"
I think this is all leading up to a "there you go again" moment in the debates.
September 10, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink