Obama: On Economy, McCain Has Had An "Election-Time Conversion"
Obama is currently giving a big speech on the economy in Green Bay, WI. In it, he launches a broad assault on McCain that ties together a number of Obama campaign themes, criticizing McCain's pro-deregulation and trickle-down philosophies; hammering away at the army of lobbyists running McCain's campaign; and lampooning the comic dimension of McCain's sudden conversion into pitchfork-wielding populist.
From the prepared remarks:
Our opponent, on the other hand, has spent much of the last nineteen months arguing that what qualifies him to be President are the decades he's spent in Washington.But with forty-two days left, he's had a sudden change of heart. An election-time conversion. After twenty-six years in Washington -- years where he voted for the same trickle-down, on-your-own policies that got us into this mess -- he now claims that he's the one who can clean it up.
Well let's be clear. When it comes to regulatory reform, Senator McCain has fought time and time again against the common-sense rules of the road that could've prevented this crisis. His economic plan was written by Phil Gramm, the architect in the US Senate of the de-regulatory steps that helped cause this mess. Even knowing what we know now, Senator McCain said in an interview just last night that de-regulation actually helped grow our economy. Well that might be true for the profits of a few CEOs, but it's certainly not true for America's prosperity.
When it comes to taking on the special interests, my opponent sounds like Fighting Bob Lafollette. But he acts like a guy who's spent three decades of his life in Washington. He's put seven of the biggest corporate lobbyists in charge of his campaign -- lobbyists for the insurance industry and the oil industry; for foreign governments and Freddie and Fannie Mac, who paid his campaign manager nearly $2 million to defend them against stricter regulations. I guess they got their money's worth.
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After twenty-six years of being part of this Washington culture, all that he has changed is his slogan for the fall campaign. And the people in charge of that campaign prove that if we elect John McCain, it's not a team of mavericks we'll be sending to the White House - it's a team of lobbyists.
As I noted below, one thing that's working in Obama's favor is that unlike in McCain's case, Obama's attacks on McCain's advisers neatly dovetail with the larger argument he's waging in the realm of ideas. Full Obama speech after the jump.
The era of greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street and in Washington has led us to a perilous moment. They said they wanted to let the market run free but instead they let it run wild, and in doing so, they tramped our core values of fairness, balance, and responsibility to one another. As a result, we are facing a financial crisis as profound as any we have faced since the Great Depression. As a result, your jobs, your savings, and your economic security are now at risk.
This week, we must work quickly, in a bipartisan fashion, to resolve this crisis and avert an even broader economic catastrophe. And as we do act, Washington must recognize that true economic recovery requires addressing not just the crisis on Wall Street, but the crisis on Main Street that so many of you have been feeling in your own lives long before the news of last week. We need a plan that helps families stay in their homes, and workers keep their jobs; a plan that gives hardworking Americans relief instead of using taxpayer dollars to reward CEOs on Wall Street. And we cannot give a blank check to Washington with no oversight and accountability when no oversight and accountability is what got us into this mess in the first place.
But no matter what solution we finally decide on this week, it is absolutely imperative that we get to work immediately on reforming the broken politics and the broken government that allowed this to crisis to happen in the first place.
We did not arrive at this moment by some accident of history. We are in this mess because of a bankrupt philosophy that says we should give more and more to those with the most and hope that prosperity trickles down to the rest of us.
We're here because for too long, the doors of Washington have been thrown open to an army of lobbyists and special interests who've turned our government into a game only they can afford to play - who have shredded consumer protections, fought against common-sense regulations and rules of the road, and distorted our economy so that it works for them instead of you.
We are here because an ethic of irresponsibility has swept through our government, leaving politicians with the belief that they can waste billions and billions of your money on no-bid contracts for friends and contributors, slip pork projects into bills during the dead of night, and spend billions on corporate tax breaks we can't afford and old programs that we don't need.
And today, even as Congress debates an emergency plan to save our economy from the verge of collapse, there are reports that lobbyists and CEOs are already lining up to figure out what's in it for them; to find out how they can get theirs.
Green Bay, enough is enough.
I began this race for the presidency as the one candidate who hasn't spent a lot of time learning the ways of Washington. But I've been there long enough to know this - if we want a government that puts the needs of middle-class families before the whims of lobbyists and politicians; if we want to grow this economy and prevent a crisis like this from ever happening again, then the ways of Washington must change. We must reform our lobbyist-driven politics. We must reform the waste and abuse in our government. We must reform the rules of the road that let Wall Street run wild and stuck Main Street with the bill. We must change Washington now.
This has been our message from the day we began this campaign. Our opponent, on the other hand, has spent much of the last nineteen months arguing that what qualifies him to be President are the decades he's spent in Washington.
But with forty-two days left, he's had a sudden change of heart. An election-time conversion. After twenty-six years in Washington - years where he voted for the same trickle-down, on-your-own policies that got us into this mess - he now claims that he's the one who can clean it up.
Well let's be clear. When it comes to regulatory reform, Senator McCain has fought time and time again against the common-sense rules of the road that could've prevented this crisis. His economic plan was written by Phil Gramm, the architect in the US Senate of the de-regulatory steps that helped cause this mess. Even knowing what we know now, Senator McCain said in an interview just last night that de-regulation actually helped grow our economy. Well that might be true for the profits of a few CEOs, but it's certainly not true for America's prosperity.
When it comes to taking on the special interests, my opponent sounds like Fighting Bob Lafollette. But he acts like a guy who's spent three decades of his life in Washington. He's put seven of the biggest corporate lobbyists in charge of his campaign - lobbyists for the insurance industry and the oil industry; for foreign governments and Freddie and Fannie Mac, who paid his campaign manager nearly $2 million to defend them against stricter regulations. I guess they got their money's worth.
And rest assured, those lobbyists who are working day and night to elect my opponent aren't doing it to put themselves out of business.
When it comes to reforming government waste and spending, Senator McCain talks a lot about earmarks. And while he deserves credit for not requesting many of those earmarks during his time in Congress, what he never mentions is that he voted for 144 billion dollars worth in just six years; or that he voted for four out of the five Bush budgets that have been filled with special interests giveaways and left us with the largest deficit in history.
The truth is, our earmark system in Washington is fraught with abuse. It badly needs reform - which is why I didn't request a single earmark last year, why I've released all my previous requests for the public to see, and why I've pledged to slash earmarks by more than half when I am President.
But let's not pretend, as John McCain does, that proposing the elimination of 18 billion dollars of earmarks will make up for the more than 300 billion additional dollars he wants to spend on tax breaks for big corporations and multi-millionaires that don't need them and weren't asking for them - more than 300 billion dollars at a time when taxpayers are being asked to help finance two wars and a historic financial bailout. That's some pretty creative math, but it doesn't add up to is change. And change in Washington is what we need right now.
This change will not be easy. It will require reforming our politics by taking power away from the lobbyists who kill good ideas and good plans with secret meetings and campaign checks. It will require reforming our government by taking on the spending habits of both parties and going after the tax havens and loopholes that big corporations use to avoid paying their fare share while you pay more. And it will require reforming our out-dated, unfair regulatory system that favors Wall Street over Main Street but has ended up hurting both.
But I am ready to reform our politics because I've done it before. I've spent my career taking on lobbyists and their money, and I've won. When I was a state Senator in Illinois, if you wanted a favor, there was actually a law that let you give campaign cash to politicians for their own personal use. In the State House, they called it business-as-usual. I called it legalized bribery, and while it didn't make me the most popular guy in Springfield, I put an end to it. I brought Democrats and Republicans together, and we passed the first ethics reform in twenty-five years.
When I got to Washington, Jack Abramoff and his lobbyist pals had engaged in some of the worst corruption since Watergate. I led the fight for reform in my party, and let me tell you - not everyone in my party was too happy about it. When I proposed forcing lobbyists to disclose who they're raising money from and who in Congress they're funneling it to, I had a few choice words directed my way on the floor of the Senate. But we got it done, and we banned gifts from lobbyists, and discounted rides on their corporate jets. And I'm the only candidate in this race who can say that Washington lobbyists do not fund my campaign, you do - with donations of $100, and $10, and $5.
I also joined with one of the most conservative Republicans in Congress to end the abuse that allowed no-bid contracts to waste taxpayer dollars instead of using them to rebuild the Gulf Coast after Katrina. And we worked together to put the federal government's checkbook online - so you can see how and where Washington is spending trillions of dollars of your money.
For years, I have also pushed for reform of the same loose regulations and lax oversight that could've prevented the crisis we're in. It was two years ago that I introduced legislation to stop mortgage transactions that promoted fraud, risk or abuse. It was one year ago that I called on our Treasury Secretary and our Fed Chairman to bring every stakeholder together and find a solution to the subprime mortgage meltdown before it got worse. In March, when John McCain was saying "I'm always for less regulation," I called for a new, 21st century regulatory framework to restore accountability, transparency, and trust in our financial markets.
These are the types of reform I will pursue beginning on my very first day in office as President of the United States - political reform, government reform, and regulatory reform.
First, I'll reform our special interest-driven politics. When I am President, I will start by closing the revolving door in the White House that has allowed people to use their Administration job as a stepping stone to further their lobbying careers.
I'll make it absolutely clear that working in an Obama Administration is not about serving your former employer, your future employer, or your bank account - it's about serving your country. When you walk into my administration, you will not be able to work on regulations or contracts directly related to your former employer for two years. And when you leave, you will not be able to lobby my Administration - ever. I will also institute an absolute gift ban so that no registered lobbyist can curry favor with members of my administration based on how much they can spend on a fancy dinner.
I'll make our government open and transparent so that anyone can ensure that our business is the people's business. As Justice Louis Brandeis once said, sunlight is the greatest disinfectant. As President, I will make it impossible for Congressmen or lobbyists to slip pork-barrel projects or corporate welfare into laws when no one is looking because when I am president, meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public. No more secrecy.
When there is a bill that ends up on my desk as President, you will have five days to look online and find out what's in it before I sign it. When there are meetings between lobbyists and a government agency, we will put as many as possible online for every American to watch. When there is a tax bill being debated in Congress, you will know the names of the corporations that would benefit and how much money they would get. And we will put every corporate tax break and every pork-barrel project online for every American to see. You will know who asked for them and you can cast your vote accordingly.
The second set of reforms I'll make will eliminate the waste, fraud, and abuse in our government.
We are facing the largest deficit in history. We are facing the largest government bailout in history. And we are also facing some of the greatest challenges in our history. All of this will cost money - to fix our health care system, and our schools, and build a new energy economy. And the only way we can do all this without leaving our children with an even larger debt is if Washington starts taking responsibility for every dime that it spends.
We can start by ending a war in Iraq that is costing us $10 billion a month when the Iraqi government is sitting on a $79 billion surplus. We should also stop sending fifteen billion dollars a year in overpayments to insurance companies for Medicare and go after tens of billions of dollars in Medicare and Medicaid fraud. We need to stop sending three billion a year to banks that provide student loans the government could provide for less, and hundreds of millions a year in subsidies to agribusiness that can survive just fine without your tax dollars and use some of the money to help family farmers who are struggling. I will put an end to this waste when I am President.
I am not a Democrat who believes that we can or should defend every government program just because it's there. There are some that don't work like we had hoped - like the Bush Administration's billion-dollar-a-year reading program that hasn't improved our children's reading. And there are some that have been duplicated by other programs that we just need to cut back - like waste at the Economic Development Agency and the Export-Import Bank that has become little more than a fund for corporate welfare.
I understand there are parts of these programs worth defending and politicians of both parties who will do so. But if we hope to meet the challenges of our time, we must make difficult choices. As President, I will go through the entire federal budget, page by page, line by line, and I will eliminate the programs that don't work and aren't needed.
As for the programs we do need, I will make them work better and cost less. I will create a High-Performance Team that evaluates every agency and every office based on how well they're serving the American taxpayer. We will fire government managers who aren't getting results, we will cut funding for programs that are wasting your money, and we will use technology and lessons from the private sector to improve efficiency across every level of government - because we cannot meet twenty-first century challenges with a twentieth century bureaucracy.
I will also save billions of dollars by cutting private contractors and improving management of the hundreds of billions of dollars our government spends on private contracts, and I will end the abuse of no-bid contracts for good. One employee of a former Halliburton subsidiary actually admitted that he was ordered to put his company's logo on towels provided to U.S. troops because our government - our tax dollars - would pay for it no matter how much it cost. That is wasteful, that is wrong, and that will end when I am President.
And for all his talk about earmark abuse, what Senator McCain doesn't mention these days is the corporate abuse of our tax system - abuse that has cost far more than earmarks ever have. In 2003, loopholes and tax breaks allowed 28 major corporations to actually have negative tax liabilities. We lose $100 billion every year because corporations get to set up mailboxes offshore so they can avoid paying a dime of taxes in America. Imagine if you got to do that? There is a building right now in the Cayman Islands that is the address for 18,000 corporations. Well that is either the biggest building in the world or the biggest sham in the world, and I think we know which one it is. I will shut down those offshore tax havens and all those corporate loopholes as President, because you shouldn't have to pay higher taxes because some big corporation cut corners to avoid paying theirs. All of us have a responsibility to pay our fair share. That's putting country first.
Finally, the third set of reforms I will pursue are the updated, common-sense regulations of the financial market that I've been calling for since March; rules of the road that will make Wall Street fair, open, and honest; that will ensure a crisis like this can never happen again.
I've outlined six principles that such reforms should follow.
First, if you're a financial institution that can borrow from the government, you should be subject to government oversight and supervision. Taxpayers who have now been called upon to spend nearly a trillion dollars to save our economy from the excesses of Wall Street have every right to expect that financial institutions are not taking excessive risks.
Second, we need to reform requirements on all regulated financial institutions, investigate rating agencies and potential conflicts of interest with the people they are rating, and establish transparency requirements that demand full disclosure by financial institutions to shareholders.
Third, we need to streamline our overlapping and competing regulatory agencies that cannot oversee the large and complex institutions that dominate the financial landscape.
Fourth, we need to regulate institutions for what they do, not what they are. Over the last few years, commercial banks and thrift institutions were subject to guidelines on subprime mortgages that did not apply to mortgage brokers and companies. This regulatory framework failed to protect homeowners, and made no sense for our financial system.
Fifth, we need to crack down on trading activity that crosses the line to market manipulation. We need regulators that actually enforce the rules instead of overlooking them. The SEC should investigate and punish all market manipulation.
Sixth, we must establish a process that identifies systemic risks to the financial system like the crisis that has overtaken our economy. We need a standing financial market advisory group to meet regularly and provide advice to the President, Congress, and regulators on the state of our financial markets and the risks they face. It's time to anticipate risks before they erupt into a full-blown crisis.
These are the principles that should guide the reforms we need to establish a 21st century regulatory system - a system that recognizes our free market economy has only worked because we have guided the market's invisible hand with a higher principle - that America prospers when all Americans can prosper.
To restore this prosperity, we must change Washington. We must reform our regulations, our politics, and our government, but we will not be able to make these changes with the same policies, the same lobbyists, or the same Washington culture that allows politicians and special interests to set their own agenda.
That's exactly what we will get from John McCain. After twenty-six years of being part of this Washington culture, all that he has changed is his slogan for the fall campaign. And the people in charge of that campaign prove that if we elect John McCain, it's not a team of mavericks we'll be sending to the White House - it's a team of lobbyists.
We can't afford four more years of that kind of politics. We need real change.
It won't be easy. The kind of change we're looking for never is. What we are up against is a very powerful, entrenched status quo in Washington who will say anything and do anything and fight with everything they've got to keep things just the way are.
But I feel good about our chances, because I've got something more powerful than they do: I've got you. In this campaign, you have already shown what history teaches us - that at defining moments like this one, the change we need doesn't come from Washington. Change comes to Washington.
Change has always come from places like Wisconsin - the state where the progressive movement was born; where laws were passed to regulate the railroads and insurance companies; laws that protected consumers and the safety of factory workers. It was a movement rooted in a principle that was known as the Wisconsin Idea - the idea that government works best in the hands of the people, not the special interests; that your voices should speak louder than the whispers of lobbyists.
That's the Wisconsin idea. That's the America idea. And that's the kind of government we need right now.
So if you want the next four years in Washington to look just like the last eight, then I am not your candidate. But if you want real change - if you want to shine a bright light into the backrooms of Washington; if you want to replace the special interests with your interests, if you want a government that costs less and works better for everyday Americans, then I ask you to knock on some doors, and make some calls, and talk to your neighbors, and give me your vote on November 4th. And if you do, I promise you - we will change America together. Thank you.















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September 22, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg,
Is it possible to get a little moderation here? Getting tired of the same people hocking their sites with the same posts on every thread.
Thanks.
September 22, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
second'd
September 22, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
co-sign.
September 22, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me, too.
September 22, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me a thousand.
September 22, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
me four
September 22, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me three (didn't wanna leave out that number).
September 22, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not me - my friends, I believe in de-regulation.
September 22, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, for some reason, this is the first time that it's gotten through to me that that's lipstick in your avatar.
Nicely done (both the comment and the avatar).
September 22, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sigh. I think spam is just part of the cost of doing business here. It sucks, but having to scroll past that shit isn't really that huge a burden.
Moderation? Heh, you've really caught the re-regulation fever that going around :-)
September 22, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
O do not get me wrong - I am a zealous proponent of free boards and free speech.
And I can scroll past that shit once or twice, but it gets beyond annoying if it goes on and on and it's fundamentally dishonest.
They are riding this blog's output that brings in hits for free - and there is no free lunch. They are stealing from Josh and from us.
September 22, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't blame youz guyz for blowing off steam. That spam crap is annoying as hell.
Still, the thoughtful and usually courteous comments I find here make the visit well worth wading through the spam.
But I'd shy away from moderation. I don't want to wait for someone to read my comment before it can go through. And even if only selected users were put on moderated status, it'd be a waste of some TPMer's time to do that instead of raking more muck.
Spamming certainly is rude, but I can't see it as stealing. After all, it's not illegal to be an asshole.
September 22, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just so ya know, I didn't mean moderation in the "comment approval" sense. Rather, I meant that, as an administrator, it would be possible for Greg, Eric or whomever to simply delete the offending post(s) thereby taking away the site linking the spammer so desperately craves.
September 22, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm. Tempting!
September 22, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know why it is stealing? Because advertisers pay Josh for bandwidth here.
The spammers don't pay Josh shit and ride his bandwidth and his hit count.
I really honestly think that is stealing. I do.
September 22, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I realize that it's not that big of a deal to scroll past it, but the problem is is that it's basically spam. Yeah, it may follow the general view of the posters of this board, but it does not add to the conversation and is meant to do nothing more than add to the poster's hit-count.
Oh yeah, the same also goes for that "head of state" poster.
September 22, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
It goes double for Head of State!
September 22, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree 1000%. In fact, It's well known that I have always been for regulation.
September 22, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Count me in.
September 22, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
The smackdown, laid.
Eagerly awaiting the debates.
September 22, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. I cannot wait to see McCain's regurgitation of so many meaningless talking points. I can almost hear him now.... "my friends, it's time for a little straight talk..."
Blech.
I can't imagine that Obama can look bad next to that guy.
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September 22, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I watched this live on CNN. It was a fantastic speech! It was unusual in that the tone was very much a rally--a barn-burner--but it was full of very specific details about how Obama will reform our government.
I HIGHLY recommend folks watch this once it's available on video. He OWNS the issue of reform now. It was just great. I would've loved to have seen it live. The atmosphere must have been electric. Talk about Fired Up!
September 22, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Proud that it was in my hometown. Sad that I was working and not there ;-(
But I'll make up for it working phones for him tonite!
September 22, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
A bridge to somewhere instead of a bridge to nowhere...nice :) BTW that VA poll is huge...
September 22, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to mention Obama was able to sustain a +4 lead in the Gallup poll through the weekend. The +8 in Minnesota was rather nice, too.
September 22, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great line--it received a lot of applause.
September 22, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
O I agree, but I want to expand that out to his entire campaign, not just this issue. He is running a coherent campaign that does not contradict itself but stays smoothly on the message. And the message doesn't deviate much - change or more of the same?
The reason this strikes me so at the moment is because since Palin accepted the nomination, McLame's entire campaign has deteriorated to the point where all I get from it is chaos. There is not one coherent theme or even one position that hasn't been contradicted somewhere along the line. I have no idea what McLame stands for any more.
September 22, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have to admit the George Will said it best:
"Vehement incoherence"
September 22, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
The VA poll is a race changer. I would also point out that Obama is creeping up in Missouri. He is only down 4 points. I am not sure he can't take Missouri if all the new registers turn out.
September 22, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, maybe McPanic's antics will keep my Republican family members away from the polls there...
September 22, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
i am willing to place a bet that if JM doesnt do well enough at the debate on Friday, next week we will start to hear about Rev Wright. This is crunch time and McCain camp see that this thing is starting to slip away.
Look for the right leaning media publications and blogs to go their first as a trial balloon and then the ads to hit the airways. They have to change the narrative and other than a huge gaffe by BO (which aint going to happen)going negative is their only way.
September 22, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope that's the worst they can do. I worry more about a previously-unused line of attack that's false and slimey but will be launched with too little time to be fully rebutted.
September 22, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would hope, that a forceful rebuttal is ALREADY in the can, ready to go!!
September 22, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's truly a wonder how instantly the dark cloud of the national co-dependancy on Bushies addiction issues and mental health diagnosis lifts when Obama speaks.
September 22, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't that the truth?
It's uncanny but he really makes me feel better about things when I'm listening to him.
September 22, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tis is an outright lie by Obama:
McCain's statement from May 2006:
September 22, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
*Diseased Troll Jizz*
September 22, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary, Billary, mock.
Fogu is such a crock.
Big Dog controls
His mindless trolls
And herds his bleating flock.
Corse dat wuz when u wuz LYING bout bein a Hillarista. But u is just another wow-wat-a-Rush Limpbaugh.
September 22, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Spammity Spam... Wonderful Spam!
September 22, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't let facts get in the way of your delusional thinking.
September 22, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love the way that fogu2 comes in, one against the entire rest of us, and says "I'm not crazy - all of you are crazy. I'm the only sane one."
Yah huh.
You get any saner and someone will get out the elephant gun and the rhino tranq darts.
;)
September 22, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a former lawyer I'm certain you never gave facts any relevance.
September 22, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not a "former" lawyer asshole and don't start that again.
September 22, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right, you're a former lawyer. That's a good one. A former lawyer saying somebody is lying.
First, you are not nor ever have been a lawyer. People who have gone to 6-8 years of upper lever education don't need to turn into trolls and post irrelevant websites.
Second, a former lawyer would get a website that worked when trying to back up what he or she said.
Get a life, take the tin foil off of your head, open your eyes, all will be good brother.
September 22, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't let your hackery get in the way of you being troll jizz.
September 22, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was after he was against it...before he was against it again...before he was for it again...
September 22, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain: for reform.
Obama: liar.
September 22, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aside from Fannie and Freddie, where was he for reform. One thing does make a reformer not.
September 22, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain: Covering all the bases!
September 22, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Correction on the link:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190
Obama is a liar.
September 22, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/21/mccain-deregulation/
September 22, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice exchange. Too bad it is irrelevant to the specificity of the issue.
Next.
September 22, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Translation: la la la can't hear you!
September 22, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your patch is over the wrong eye.
September 22, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's exactly the issue. This mess is in large part because of the Republican approach of deregulation, starting with the S&Ls (and wow look where that went).
September 22, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
No. The exact issue is FNMA and FMC.
McCain: reform them.
Obama: liar
September 22, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with ACamus on this one.
It must hurt seeing the McCain campaign collapse right in front of your eyes, huh?
September 22, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. I'm shocked!
Bwahahaha.
September 22, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Poor fogu! Are you having a bad day?
September 22, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's been a bad week and half. They're all frantically trying to find one issue, one gaffe, one opening that can turn this campaign around for them. But when the best news is that NC is a whopping +3 in favor of McCain, there is very little glee on the other side.
September 22, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Idiot Fanny and Freddy do not fund or originate sub prime loans...Get a clue, Financial derivatives came in to help fund those bogus loans.
September 22, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Time and time again" is not the same thing as saying "never once has McCain been on the right side of an issue."
This idea is ludicrious that everything that is happening is attributed to the Fannie and Freddie, and not to the deregulation that McCain was at the forefront in the battle for. Until he can explain how he can be, in his own word, the "Deregulator," and at the same time have no serious role in this crisis, Obama can hammer truthfully that time and time again McCain has been on the wrong side.
September 22, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Deregulation in and off itself is not a problem unless it is absolute. Show me where McCain has favored total deregulation or drop the facade.
FMA and FMC were the engine that brought this problem on. McCain tried to control it and the Democrats killed the control.
Obama is a liar.
September 22, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
They took in loans that were made by financial institutions who knew (even if the borrower didn't) that there was a high risk of default. The ability for this institutions to conceal their debt.
And the idea that there is this bad absolute deregulation and everything else is good is absolute crock. So let's just keep a one or two regulations about food safety and everything will be fine. Or the same with mine safety. When it comes to financial institutions moving electronic money around, there needs to be more oversight, accountability, and transparency. Deregulation is a catch word at this point dealing with the government's ability to keep these people honest.
Can anyone say Enron.
September 22, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Down goes troll jizz, Down goes troll jizz!" How many times can Fogu2 allow himself to be embarrassed like this?
September 22, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look, it's my little poodle, Whiteman. Now go wipe that, um, stuff off your face.
September 22, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
This coming from the epitome of troll jizz, diseased right wing ejaculate.
September 22, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain was right and Obama is a liar.
That is today's issue.
September 22, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
"McCain is on record two years ago trying to warn people and pass legislation to avoid what just happened."
The man has been a career deregulator, either put away the crystal meth or back away from Larry Johnson's crotch.
September 22, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Off topic, but I have a very serious problem with the fucking racist avatar of this troll. Obama doesn't speak ebonics, and using the spelling of "brutha" is racist, pure and simple. Engaging in any type of conversation with someone engaging in race bating is a waste of time, and I suggest that everyone ignores him or only calls him out for his obviously racist propaganda.
Jesus fucking Christ.
September 22, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bacon the Robot Monkey, all they have is racism and feigned outrage when you call those motherfuckers out on it.
September 22, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, you do have a problem.
September 22, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Douchebag bigots who are the product of inbreeding is everybody's problem.
September 22, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, you want to frame the entire crisis as a result of Fannie and Freddie's misdeeds, whereas I want to frame this as a entire sector that being allowed to be mismanaged, including Fannie and Freddie. If McCain could see, you know the financial institutions could see it, too. And yet they kept doing it. No one put a gun to their head and made them give those high-risk loans, etc.
I'm not saying that McCain was on the right side of the Fannie and Freddie issue, but, this doesn't counter his general approach of deregulation in commerce as the proper approach.
September 22, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then the guy is seriously senile, because he doesn't seem to remember what you're talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTmIJ5Aag2Q
The relevant portion starts around 4:10 in.
September 22, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Glass-Stegall Act of 1933 would have prevented this collapse.
That's regulation and it worked for all the years it was in place.
September 22, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
So then why did Fannie and Freddie's share of the mortgage market decline during the peak bubble years (2004-06)?
What brought this on was the private securities that Wall Street was peddling. Their share of the market went from 8% to 20% in 2004-06, while Fannie and Freddie's share was shrinking. (That's a gargantuan increase, considering it's the share of total mortgage debt outstanding, not just new mortgages.) This is the crud that is now toxic.
Chart at http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2008/07/abs_to_gdp_jul_08.gif, with elaboration at http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2008/07/did_fannie_and.html
September 22, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
The chart shows private securities share of mortgages (top line); .2 = 20%.
September 22, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your comment, not surprisingly, displays a fundamental misunderstanding of what has transpired. Fannie and Freddie are not the problem. They've, in fact, functioned as they were intended. The problem, in their case, was that they didn't have sufficient reserves to support the loans on their balance sheets ($5 or 6 Trillion) and there has ALWAYS been an implicit government guarantee standing behind these entities, which was made explicit. Importantly, neither Fannie nor Freddie is in anyway caught up in the subprime debacle.
This is about deregulation ushered in by the GLB AND, rather importantly, Gramm's refusal to regulate derivatives. This was the catalyst for the explosion of exotic subprime products, since, as a result of the repackaging of subprime loans and some creative analysis by the rating agencies, they were able to get junk bond returns with AAA pricing (neat trick). Once the bottom fell out of the subprime market, there was no pricing mechanism for trillions of dollars in mortgage-backed securities. Without the ability to mark to market, no one was willing to buy subprime (i.e., non FHA) paper, thus those products are no longer offered. This is why Bear Stearns failed. This is why Lehman Brothers failed. This is why UBS will likely fail if it doesn't get some relief. They were the market makers and they counted on the liquity being present in those secondary markets for funding. It dried up and so did their financing.
So, long story short, you don't know what the hell you are talking about--which for you is more often than not the case.
September 22, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
The new attack on the right is to blame Freddie and Fannie because they loaned money for mortgages to minorities.
You're right that F&F were NOT part of the sub-prime issue. This is just another attempt to divert attention from McCain's economic philosophy.
Here's how we should divert this racially insensitive avatar's attention: Palin has admitted she took a course in macroeconomics, and received a D as a grade. Discuss.
September 22, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, we've had Tricky Dick and Slick Willie and if you read an in-depth account of McCain's political record he has earned the title of Hoppin' John. He's been running for pres for about 26 years and he is either hopping into bed with or hopping on board with whatever or whoever he thinks will eventually get him to the WH.
Hoppin' John wants to form a 'commission' to study the market mess? Something like the 9/11 Commission or Cheney's Energy Task Force, John? You betcha, and with the same guaranteed outcome of business-as-usual-screwed-again-American-people.
September 22, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Regardless of what is written about Obama doesn’t mean it is true. What is true is “what comes out of the mouth the heart is full of” and we hear what Obama says and we can judge his heart accordingly.
Our biggest problem now aside from energy is terrorism (if we fix our energy we fix the economy) and there’s two ways to address terror, offensively or defensively. Both face the same tossup war or peace. Education is the key, why radical Islam hates us. Talking and listening with our enemies and allies spending money on the schools that will prevent the teaching of radical Islam and at the same time be sensitive to the ancient customs of the Arab nations and leave diversity the role it needs to play. I am an American that lived in Israel ten years near a Arab neighborhood (Bethlehem) and I know how Arab-Israeli (Arabs that were born in Israel) and Palestinians (Arabs who were born outside usually Jordan) and have an understanding how both think. The more violence we will use against this Holy War, the more they are given the right to use terror.
We need a president who understands this. Obama is a man who does.
September 22, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
O! I love that-
September 22, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
About that VA poll:
If you notice, only 86% of blacks are supporting Obama. But I would guess that at LEAST 90% of them will be voting for him on election day. Couple that with Nate Silver's latest analysis concerning "allocating the undecideds" and you can safely assume that Obama is ahead by at least a point or two more.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/allocating-undecideds.html
September 22, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like I said last week, Bust McCain in his Mutha F*cking MOUTH everyday until Election day..... Make it simple for'em Barack.....
McCain is just Wrong
1)Wrong on the Economy
2)Wrong on Foreign Policy
3)Wrong on Domestic Policy
4)Wrong on Social Security
5)Wrong on Lobbyists influence in Washington
McCain = WRONG for America
Wash.Rinse.Repeat......
September 22, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word up!
September 22, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Last election these crowds that one could still hear echoing “four more years!” that resonated and ultimately stirred a winning cause, was based on Bush would do better in time of war. Did they forget the attracts happened on his watch?
I keep hearing polls insinuating McCain would do better in war because of his experience. Let’s reverse the situation. Who would do better making peace? Better yet. Who would do better in preventing war? Who is the best ticket on talks with our Arab and Muslim friends, McCain-Palin or Obama-Biden? Education is the key here, all nations learning from each other in a give and take of important attitude and feelings. One thing is certain, in the Muslim culture; it is easier for men to converse with each other rather then man and women that’s where Biden has the advantage over Palin. On the same token a man who cries fire (“I would fire him”) is a scary image of McCain’s hand slamming down on a big red button yelling “fire!” Our friends and allies of the Arab and Muslim nations would apt to have a better rapport with Obama
September 22, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've always believed that Levis and MTV are the way for America to win over those who are antagonistic. Reach out to the hearts and minds of the future.
Where we have gotten terribly fucked over is how our relationship with China changed overnight - thanks to Sam Walton. They used to buy from us - everything we sent over there they snapped up.
Now they own us and we buy every goddamn thing we own from them.
Which is beside your point - sorry.
But I think economics is really going to dominate this election - not Israel-Palestine, not terrorism. Not this time. :)
September 22, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
we can't control where someone points a camera, but we can control what is important to us
September 22, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is "off" today with his speech-giving. I assume he's tired from pulling long hours on this economic crisis. Good thing he's off the stump from Tuesday until after the debate, to rest and prepare.
September 22, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I noticed that too. Still 10 times better than McCain on his best day.
September 22, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed that he looked tired. This kind of campaign is a monster and it's very difficult to keep up.
Yet, he made a good job, given that the tone of this speech was supposed to be serious. It was good, but it could be better. Still, the content was right on balance: he hit McCain and his staff and offer a glimpse of his proposals.
He really needs some rest and start preparing to Friday's debate.
September 22, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jonze even IF he is off today which he ISN'T he is better than McPALIN et al...nice of you to concern troll
September 22, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Piss off.
September 22, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just looked at Halperin's site, and he's got Obama's speech front and center, but if you scroll past that, it's hilarious: Steve Schmidt has declared war on practically everyone: The Times, Biden's son, Axelrod, Wexler, unnamed journalists!
Talk about your credibility circling the drain...
September 22, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't Schmidt remind you of Jeff Gannon?
September 22, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, he does.
And he's trying to bring Bill Ayers into the mix, as well, wanting "symmetry" in the coverage.
September 22, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good - I'm glad it's not just me. I think there must some place where the Repugs breed these guys.
This is everything they have: Ayers and Wright. That's it.
Good luck with that, guys.
September 22, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isengard.
September 22, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Smear, Slime, and Lie. If the Schmidt campaign were a law firm, that would be its name.
September 22, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
From my brother in Virginia:
And from today's Charlottesville paper -- "Currently, three of Cville's eight precincts have surpassed 4000 registered voters, something unprecedented in the city's history. 'We're expecting about an 80 percent turnout.' As of Thursday there were 26,277 voters registered in Charlottesville...and that number could easily surpass 27,000..."
Charlottesville, it is worth noting, has an entirely Democractic city council. I'm pretty sure these ain't Republicans being registered....
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This is what we need to continue doing everywhere.
If we do, we'll be moving from President GW "19% job approval" Bush to President Obama in Jan. '09. What a sweet transition that will be.
September 22, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Charlottesville is a deep blue bubble amidst red, but it has a big population compared to the surrounding counties. I'm trying not to get my hopes up here, because VA went for Bush over Kerry by 8 percent, but I have to admit it would be so sweet for Virginia to go for Obama early. It would help set a festive mood for the rest of election night.
September 22, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bush on the demands that CEO's have their earnings capped/cut as part of bailout -
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/white-house-ceo-pay/
Punitive measures? That would be a disincentive for firms to participate? Maybe that's the problem right there Dubya - CEO's are out for their own interest if they'd rather rish their company than agree to take a lot less money (though still millions) to ensure their company survives. they'd rather go under while still getting their huge payouts? Is that what GW is saying?
Hell, the Dems should be asking for jail time for these CEO's...
September 22, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
If they need the bailout, they meet the conditions. If they balk, then I guess they didn't really need the bailout, eh?
Even by Bush standards that's an incredible line of bullshit.
September 22, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. If they don't need the bailout enough to give up their CEO bonuses, then they don't need the bailout.
September 22, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dubya:
Uh, we need them to participate? They don't need to participate? Feh. Fuck 'em.
OTOH, this executive-comp stuff is peanuts. Resonates well, but keep your eye on where the real money is going while our pockets are being picked.
September 22, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. I want some of whatever Barack's drinking . . .
September 22, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fundamentally strong WHOOP ASS
September 22, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's simple:
Obama is the FUTURE.
McCain is the PAST.
September 22, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's a slogan I can get behind, my friends.
September 22, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Respectfully disagree. I think we can agree that the forums/comment areas are provided for political discussion instead of non-TPM advertising.
Spam steals bandwidth, from both TPM (who's server have to produce it every time the page is viewed) and from every person who has to download it.
It's stealing. And beyond wrong, it's just damn rude.
September 22, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Competence for a change.
Gobama
September 22, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is Schmidt attacking Biden's son? Doesn't he know that candidates' kids are off limits?!
Although I think it is just dumb, going after the NYT and Axelrod is fair game since candidates go after the media and campaigns all the time but going after family members is just dumb.
Does McCain want Obama to go after his son?
September 22, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
When they show those pictures of a few men on an off-shore oil rig, why don’t they ever show huge crews in a photovoltaic plant and wind mill industry?
Obama’s vision is to simulate our economy with groundbreaking infrastructure of enormous production of an alternative energy industry built on the backs of American innovation and big oil subsidies
"You can't teach and old dog new tricks"- but you sure can teach a puppy plenty
This man Obama may not have the so called experience in war as McCain has but experience is not always better. It is wisdom that is needed, knowledge without wisdom is futile. So far what I hear and see when Obama speaks is coherent and makes sense. He has vision and is sensitive on the most important issues. He will not concede to sycophancy projects that have shallow patches in order popularize with the uniformed mainstream. Everything he says agrees with the scientific and intellectual community.
No one gets to become a celebrity because they do nothing Obama has charisma, intellect and a coherent foresight.
September 22, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
DO NOT RESPOND TO FOGU2!!!!!
September 22, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Afraid of the facts?
September 22, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know...let us know when you find some.
September 22, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
..this coming from someone who wets himself when presented with the facts. Kick rocks motherfucker.
September 22, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
And to prove that not every evangelical leader is a raving lunatic, here is one who sees that McCain, at least now, has lost it in his quest for the WH:
http://coloradoindependent.com/8807/evangelical-leader-smacks-mccain-for-lack-of-principle
September 22, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well he's not a raving lunatic because he's more of a soulless CEO. I really hate the fact that there is a national organization of evangelical Xians who pay millions to lobby our government on behalf of their goddamn religion.
It's fundamentally anti-Christian, in my view, and it is certainly fundamentally anti-American. Jesus didn't invite the money-lenders (e.g. lobbyists) into the temple, he drove them out with a whip.
September 22, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with you on that. I think the article just is another example of something similiar to George Will turning on McCain, that those who a little bit more moderate than the lunatic fringe are openly turning on him. McCain have fired up his religious wingnut base, but he's having the opposite effect with moderates.
September 22, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Love the reference to "Fighting Bob Lafollette"; that's knowing your audience. (Much better than "it's great to be back in the great state of ___. I was just telling Michelle how much I love it here.").
September 22, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've got no problem responding to fogu2. He made an effort at a substantive point before all the standard vulgarity and foolishness. He's claiming McCain's support of a bill 2 years ago means he and the republicans are off the hook, because A. the entire banking mess is entirely generated by FNM-FMC, and B. 190 would have completely eliminated that problem. He's objectively and quantifiably wrong on both points, but at least it's an attempt at a substantive point.
The first point I would make in rebuttal is that there is a difference between Senator McCain and Candidate McCalin, namely that Senator McCain was sometimes independent and truthful, while Candidate McCalin is an inveterate liar and knee-jerk tool of the BushWing. We'll leave that to one side.
The real point is that whatever the origin of the high-risk mortgages, the failure in the system was not in initiating those mortgages, nor even in the government in some sense subsidizing some of that risk by backing FNM-FMC. There is no way this could lead to 1T in metastasized loses. The failure in the system was in the deliberate and systematic obfuscation of that risk. Bad accounting and schenanagans aside, FNM-FMC did not create that obfuscation. Banks created complex, opaque mortgage backed securities and essentially lied about their inherent risk. These were basically fraudulent sales, with the knowing complicity of the institutional buyer that was going to sell them on in even more complex bundles. It was sneaking a little gravel into the corn bag.
Everything was going to be fine as long as no one actually needed to cook the corn and eat it. And the gravel was in there by 2005, in any event.
190 was the solution to this mess like drill, baby, drill is the solution to "energy independence," and the surge was the solution to all our foreign policy woes. A drop in the bucket. Or in this case, one little turd off the big steaming dungheap.
Still, A -for-effort to Fogu2. I'm sure we'll be hearing more of this from the half-educated neocon horde eager to prove that they aren't as stupid and incompetent as 8 years of their rule make them seem.
September 22, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well I appreciate your willingness to be civil.
I'm aware if the securitized mortgages and bundling scam of which you speak. And I said the FNMA and FMC were the engine not the total cause.
And I'll not pretend, like others, to be an expert but, I think there's reason to believe that if regulations had been put in place two years ago much of those practices would have been far less likely. It was the govt. backing of FNMA and FMC on all those zero-down risky mortgages that gave "legitimacy" to the entire mortgage bubble.
Regardless, it remains an outright lie by
Obama regarding McCain's complicity.
Obama remains a liar.
September 22, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Well I appreciate your willingness to be civil."
Take that civility and shove it up your ass.
"Obama remains a liar."
Your mother is a liar.
September 22, 2008 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Regulation Fever, catch it!
September 22, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
But...but....but...who is Fighting Bob Lafollette??
September 22, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
(I assume he meant senior.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._La_Follette,_Sr.
September 22, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was a particularly well-crafted speech, especially including the more-than-throwaway "Fighting Bob" and "Wisconsin Idea" lines. Like him or not, Obama is getting a lot of good advice this far along in his campaign. I don't recall any of his staffers claiming he invented the iPhone, etc... but there's still time.
September 22, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
And your avatar remains racist.
September 22, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another winning day for Senator Obama, and another great weak ahead of him.
All the week will be about the economy, andMc Wars keeps on gaffing...
And the McWar campaign is now calling on the reporters to stop their reporting...
Thank you McWar!!!
September 22, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink