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Obama Campaign Launches Ad Hitting McCain's Lies As "Dishonorable"
We've been waiting for it, and here it is: The Obama campaign launches its first ad hitting McCain for his lying and his mendacious adver-sleazements and slamming his campaign as "disgraceful" and "dishonorable":
The ad will air on national cable and in key battleground states. Though the ad describes McCain's campaign -- not McCain himself -- as "dishonorable," the response, without question, will be POW POW POW.
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Good start, keep em coming.
September 15, 2008 7:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
This ad is better than sex! Exactly what we need. Point out that McCain has no honor. He's running a sleazy, lying campaign. McCain can't stand to have his "integrity" questioned. That's exactly why Obama should keep doing it . . . HARD!!
September 15, 2008 8:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. Obama should question McCain's sense of political honor during the debates then tastefully dismiss his POW defense for the sleazy campaign. McCain will start speaking through gritted teeth.
September 15, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Atually, Obama should keep on telling the FACTS in his ads and then maybe, give a warning that no doubt McCain's response will be "You know I was a POW". I find it amazing that McCain feels waving around "POW" explains lies and malfeasance. Hmmm I have an uncle who was a POW so I guess he gets a pass on honesty too. Perhaps McCain could even explain his Keating 5 muck away by his POW excuse? You suppose McCain can use that excuse for his ditzy comment about our sound economy?
September 15, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
What kind of sex are you having? :)
Great ad though. Now the Obama camp needs to follow it up with some examples. Keep on stickin' it to them.
http://thepajamapundit.com/
September 15, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Barely a start, maybe if followed up by ads that show the lies. But the lines I really want to hear in an ad are 1) rather lose his integrity than lose an election, and 2) if he's lying so much now, what do you think he'll do in office.
September 15, 2008 9:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
PS, it would be good to tie in his (dis)honesty with the Bushies too, maybe follow up "We can't afford 4 more years of Bush policies or Bush dishonesty... Maybe we can't do that to a sitting president..but would be great.
September 15, 2008 9:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bullshit we can't. Especially with an illegitimate president who happens to be a lying war criminal. Nothing is off limits.
September 15, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's similar to "walking it back", and should most definitely be avoided. The less air time that McCain's lies get, the better. Even if we analyze the lies and show that they're lies, the lies get repeated, and a lie repeated often enough gets assumed to be the truth.
September 15, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. We need...
"""Republicans are bad for the Economy.
John MCCain is a Republican.
Let's kick him out of Washington so Democrats can fix the Economy."""
September 15, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hear "McCain=Bush" all the time.
But it surprises me that I don't hear, "John McCain Republican". The R brand name is in the toilet as far as I can tell.
Independents can believe that John McCain and GW are different people, but they know that R is the party of corruption; at every turn, I try to remind them that a vote for McCain is a vote for the corrupt Republican Party.
Of course that will only fire up the dead-enders.
But the independents can see that Palin is dead-meat if she tries to challenge the Rove/Cheney wing of the party.
September 15, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and I almost forgot. . . Mc-what's-his-name: he can't even challenge his own VP, never mind that the Cheney/Rove team don't consider him an obstacle.
September 15, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good thoughts, mcrose68.
I'd also like to hear the O campaign undercutting McCain's co-opted theme of "change" in something like the phrase:
"just changing one Karl Rove-style Republican administration for another isn't "change we can believe in" or "the kind of change Americans are looking for," etc.
September 15, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Attacking the Republican Party is a good way to allow Obama to get really nasty and angry without making it personal. It could be especially good for attacking the things McCain's running mate stands for without attacking her personally.
September 15, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Good start, keep em coming."
Yes, but even better - GOOD TIMING!!
See my blog "Obama has timed this perfectly" (shameless plug)
McBush cannot counter these ads that are especially effective because
1) McBush has been branded as a liar
2) McBush has to try to appear like he knows something about economics, when, by his own admission, he doesn't have a clue.
SO, that means the Obama's attack ads over the weekend are going to just sit there and fester while McBush desparately tries to salvage his campaign.
I expect an Obama lead over over 10 points in the polls within a week - across the board.
Maybe less. LOL
September 15, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think a tact we should take with people voting republican who are buying into Senator Obama smearing McLame or Palin, is to simply ask them to name the ad that Senator Obama has aired that smears (saying some nasty things) or lies about McLame and Palin.
Let's see them come up with a legitimate example, then shut down the discussion, since continuing it, will only let them spew ignorance, which is not worthy of a reply.
September 15, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
IslandGyal:
Or this ... your home is worth less, your job prospects are worse, your stocks and IRAs have plummeted in value, the economy has tanked so your small business makes less money, your health insurance (if you have it) is much more expensive, the Iraq war continues, Bin Laden hasn't been captured yet ... tell me again why you are voted for More of the Same?
Joe
September 15, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Tack," not "tact." "Tack" refers to the zig-zagging course changes a sailing ship makes when the wind is not from directly behind. When used metaphorically, it refers to a change of strategy or focus without changing the end-objective.
"Tact" on the other hand, in the immortal words of Cordelia Chase, "is just not saying true stuff."
Sorry, its my Election 2008 pet peeve. The MSM started doing it and it has gone out of control.
September 15, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
GREAT AD.....
So the Alaskan redneck diva has a tanning bed. Is that as bad as a $400 haircut?
Al Giordano wants to know WHO paid for it?
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/palins-tanning-bed-the-evolution-a-story
September 15, 2008 7:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think that story needs to go viral.
http://strategy08.wordpress.com
September 15, 2008 7:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
i hope that gets into a 527 ad.
September 15, 2008 7:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
And 7 pairs of $350 eyeglasses
September 15, 2008 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Those glasses are made in Japan, in the Fukui Prefecture--the prefecture that is home to the most pro-Obama city in Japan. And that city's name: "Obama City."
Dig it.
September 15, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn. With McCain's history of skin cancer, they will soon be known as the "Melanoma Mavericks."
September 15, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good. Hope they spend a ton of money getting this out. This says what needs to be said, cuts right to the heart of things.
"All he has left" is a great tag line.
September 15, 2008 7:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good. Let the press talk about that for a while.
September 15, 2008 7:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
This must be, "I just tell them the truth and they think it is hell." Harry Truman part of the campaign we've all been waiting for.
PS - Remember the election of 2000? What was it they (the GOP thugs) kept saying about Gore? Fibber, right? Can you imagine if Gore had told McCain's lies? Exploding heads all over the country, million dead, etc. On the upside the average intelligence of the country would have gone way, way, way up.
September 15, 2008 7:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Right on.
September 15, 2008 7:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
OUTSTANDING!! Obama had to give McCain a lot of rope and now McCain has to deal with it.
September 15, 2008 7:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here comes the pain!
September 15, 2008 7:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good, now they're zeroing in on the target- and I also like that they never miss a chance in any of their ads to tie McSame to Bush's failed presidency. Keep hammering like this for the next week or two, and let's see if there's some movement in the polls. (As much as I like this approach I'll be the first to say that if it doesn't work, the try something else. But I think it will work.)
September 15, 2008 7:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
LIPSTICK ON A PIGGGGGGG
September 15, 2008 7:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
about time, need more of these
September 15, 2008 8:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
If these are the types of ads they are going to run with my hard earned money, then I guess I'm going to have to give them more of it. Great ad!
September 15, 2008 8:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm about to go over to their website and do the same!
September 15, 2008 8:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jesus. McCain may be running the sleaziest ads of any presidential campaign, but this is easily the most direct, unvarnished attack I've ever seen. I love it!
September 15, 2008 8:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, for those who have been wringing their hands and complaining that Obama hasn't been hitting hard enough--please note that the last two weeks of patience were the setup for this. Sometimes the best idea is to just sit back and let your opponent get well into the deep water before you finally toss him an anchor.
September 15, 2008 8:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's rope-a-dope we can believe in!
September 15, 2008 8:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
As well as wait for the MSM to be open to the concept that McCain might be running a dishonorable campaign.
September 15, 2008 8:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think this was key. Notice that Obama never calls him anything. Just quotes the media doing the dirty work.
September 15, 2008 8:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
But the media are now McCain's enemy, doncha know?
(Except Fox News)
September 15, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I had that thought last night: whether the Obama camp was giving him just enough rope to hang himself. Whether intentional or not, waiting worked. This isn't just fly-specking. And it's also not the Obama camp saying it; it's the press.
September 15, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
You just know McCain will be crying about the "librool" media now.
September 15, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dr. Zaius:
Is there enough time in a 30-second ad to say "McCain's a liar we can't trust him why is he so sleazy he'll make a bad president" and "I'm Barrack Obama here's my plan to improve the economy and make the world safe." I think we're talking about 2 different ads. He also needs to tie McCain to the last banking crisis with Charles Keating and to today's crisis with Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns.
Joe
September 15, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. This is pretty much exactly what I said Obama should do. I have no complains.
September 15, 2008 8:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Love it so much I just threw some more money their way.
Nice!
September 15, 2008 8:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain new economy ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd-pMhboEX4&
No concrete proposals, except "Drill, baby, drill"
New lie: "proven reformers"
And they stole the Obama slogan "Change we need".
Their deception continues...
September 15, 2008 8:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lot of empty rhetoric with no substance.
September 15, 2008 8:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Biden is giving a big speech today in Michigan on the economy- hopefully he will firmly tie the financial collapse around McLame's neck. The title is supposedly "Bush 44" so that sounds promising.
September 15, 2008 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Way to go. McCain's words cannot be trusted and he is a man without integrity. Obama should continue to pound.
Offense!Offense! and Offense!
September 15, 2008 8:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rope a Dope Baby....suck him in then pound the shit out of him
September 15, 2008 8:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
It would be nice to see this as a recurring narrative in the MSM but I will keep my expectations low so as to not be disappointed. Love to see my donations at work!
80 mil this month!
September 15, 2008 8:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
THE AD DOESNT GO FAR ENOUGH, MCCAIN SHOULD BE SINGLED OUT AS A LIAR... THIS AD MAKES IT LOOK LIKE MCCAIN IS NOT RUNNING HIS CAMPAIGN
September 15, 2008 8:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Patients, patients. Remember, we don't have to paint McCain as a liar. The better argument (which I'm sure is coming) is "you decide: is he dishonest or clueless?"
September 15, 2008 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to say that was a pun about his healthcare plan, but that should be "patience, patience."
Still waking up . . .
September 15, 2008 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Patients need patience
September 15, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not enough to point to the lies. They have to drive home the point about what it says about McCain's respect for voters. Remember who is being lied to, the people.
September 15, 2008 8:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fantastic. The more money I send Obama, the better use he makes of it. Not spending as much on Starbucks, spending much more on Obamabucks.
September 15, 2008 8:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I give it a B - would have been better if they actually had clips of him lying. Maybe the next one will. In any event, the key now is to PLAY THE HELL OUT OF IT. The Rethugs will piss and moan, Faux News will scream, but if we can learn ANYTHING from the last two presidential elections it's that if you throw shit against wall often enough some of it will stick.
Let the hypocrites complain - and be prepared to respond QUICKLY to their inevitable attempt to do the same thing to Obama.
This message has to be a constant - and not very subtle - drumbeat from now until November.
September 15, 2008 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
This nicely sets up a "there they go again" response to the upcoming Wright / Ayers crap.
September 15, 2008 9:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
No way.
You don't repeat the lies.
September 15, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
No way.
You don't repeat the lies.
September 15, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Repeating a lie only reenforces the lie.
September 15, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Teriffic add! Strong attack while still maintaining his integrity. More... more.
September 15, 2008 9:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now, that's the way you make an ad - simple, to the point, images supporting the message and setting up a nice contrast, lots of repetition and authority cited. Keep 'em coming.
September 15, 2008 9:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
That ad hits hard. Play it again and again. Rope a Dope.
September 15, 2008 9:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
About fucking time. And I'm glad they worked in "votes with Bush 90 percent of the time," too.
I would still like to see more ads with Obama talking directly to the camera, though.
September 15, 2008 9:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree about more face-to-camera ads from Obama. They need to work up to it, but one where he uses the "L" should really get the pundits talking.
September 15, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely fantastic. So perfect. I am very happy this morning. Finally!!! They'll be getting more $$$ from me this week.
And Biden is going to hit mcsenile hard this morning in Michigan. I THINK it's this event in Flat Rock, MI:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/flatrockjb
Here's the article:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/?hpid=topnews
"Democratic vice presidential nominee Joseph R. Biden today will unleash the Democratic ticket's stiffest blast yet on John McCain, saying his old friend has transformed himself into an opportunistic and vicious right-wing politician in a mindless pursuit of the White House."
"Opportunistic and vicious right wing politician!!!!!!! GO JOE!!!!!!!
September 15, 2008 9:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
And a great rejoicing was heard rising up from the land of the liberals.
September 15, 2008 9:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
What I love about this ad is that it so utterly stands up to the factcheck fetishists (whose idiotic and perverse worldview Rove was only echoing when he said yesterday that both campaigns were dirty). It's all mainstreamers whose condemnations are incorporated. It's a meme now.
On another point. Here's a thought experiment to make you giggle over your conflakes: Imagine McCain or Palin actually taking a series of questions from unscreened news reporters about today's financial crisis.
September 15, 2008 9:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I particularly like how they wove all of the "value" words of the newspapers into the text - that way nothing can come back at them!
We need more of this, because McCain will be so easy to skewer with his own words and those of others.
September 15, 2008 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now, when the hoisted on its own pitard folks, who are the Republicans and especially Geezer and Gidget, wail their woes to the cosmos, the Obama response can be short and sweet,,,, an ad featureing the Naval Academy Honor Code, which was on either Kos or Sullivan yesterday, and which McCain has been skerting his entire career.
You know, there is a reason he left the Navy and sought affirmation in politics, and a rich second wife,,,,,,, he was sat down by the Naval powers that be and told that his career would prevent him from reaching Admiral,,,, like daddy and gramps.
So,,,, what's even better than Admiral, you ask,,, why President of course. Really explains why he's overinvested in all this,,,, at any cost.
September 15, 2008 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't go there if I were Obama. Maybe something a 527 could take up (if there were actually and 527s).
September 15, 2008 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Meant to say "if there were actually any 527s supporting Obama."
September 15, 2008 9:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
President's just a box to check on McCain's bucket list.
He has no ideas on how to put the nation on the right track. All his advisors are BushCo retreads. I'm betting that if he gets the big gig, he'll delegate everything. He'll be more out of touch than he is now.
In his own words:
"I didn't decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president."
September 15, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Where do I go to get this ad in flash?
September 15, 2008 9:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, baby! NOW we're talking.
September 15, 2008 9:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
So it pleases the base, what good does that do except to get the media to play it up a few times. OK he has to say it but one part smack has to be levened with 3 parts of optimism. Watch McCain pivot to optimism, just beat him there again.
September 15, 2008 9:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Amazing! It sounds like no matter what Obama does, McCain will always be able to "pivot" to something else and outflank him.
It's a great strategy, and it can carry him all the way through to Nov. 5th, when I look forward to seeing McCain pivot to "dignity in defeat."
September 15, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm just trying to figure out why Obama can't "close the deal". I mean, why hasn't he already won the election? (I don't want to hear any excuses about the election not being until November. A true candidate of change could work around that little detail.)
September 15, 2008 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
You sir, are hilarious :).
September 15, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm just saying that I hope Democrats don't over-react and forget their real base which is optimism.
September 15, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll join the chorus of happy campers. I love that the clip they found of McCain vowing to take the high road has him sounding and looking like such a whiny little toad (not that that is hard to do, just sayin').
I hope Obama comes out with a hard hitting response to the vague "we'll fix Wall St." McCain ad, with a touch of specifics (other than drilling for oil; god these people are maroons!) and more attacks.
September 15, 2008 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
I really don't think it's good enough. Right-leaners, and even some independents could easily dismiss all the quotes as "liberal media" bias.
Much better would have been to show the actual lies with the facts superimposed over the screen. SHOW him lying. The old "read my lips" ploy.
September 15, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
A good start, but actual footage of lies would be more effective.
September 15, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I for one think the ad is excellent, an A+ for their efforts thus far. Hopefully they've now found their tune and plan to stick to it. For those of you thinking they don't go far enough, chill: I think Obama's campaign has to ease itself into this sort of thing; anything perceived as too much too soon may be more likely to backfire.
I feel they've done well waiting for McCain to dig his own grave (no pun intended) deep enough to where he can't crawl back out before Obama fills it up with McCain's dirt. In waiting for the media to notice more, Obama's made sure no one will want to come along to help McCain out.
I just hope now that they stick to this strategy, coupling it with increased, detailed talk of their own ideas. McCain can talk shit, but he can't back it up with his own ideas because a) he has none or b) they suck. Obama can reinforce his attack ads in this way because a) he has ideas and b) all of them (to my knowledge) rule.
Yep!
September 15, 2008 9:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's a great ad Barack, that's how I want you to spend my money; you need to give us more of these kind of ads. People need to see and understand that McBush is just a joke.
If McBush responds, just lashes out another tough ad, tougher than this one, I bet you that he'll shut up straight.
September 15, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Brian Rogers said he doesn't care about what the "media filter" (winger code words) have to say. He wants to win. At all costs, the biggest of which is McCain's integrity.
They'll probably say that all of those newspapers quoted are part of the "liberal media".
September 15, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
It would have been nice if they had said something like 'McCain put together a campaign and had has let it degenerate into this. Is that leadership we can believe in?"
By not attacking McCain personally, but directly, they had an opportunity to hit him where it hurts: fitness to lead.
September 15, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's a weak, ineffective ad. In the video world we live in people need concrete evidence, actual video showing undisputed lying, and lying that matters.
People expect candidates to accuse each other of lying. It has zero influence in flipping voters.
September 15, 2008 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're echoing something that has also been said by Obama partisans on this thread, and it deserves a reply.
People who want the kind of documentation you're asking for have been getting examples all last week, from the nightly news, or from the View. For them, this ad comes in, not to prove a case, but to reinforce an existing meme.
It does so almost solely by quoting respected news organizations, which for most Americans counts as "sufficient proof." (That doesn't count for you or me; we want to see the facts behind the story. But we're also, precisely, *not* swing voters.)
Lots of swing voters, of course, don't pay attention to the news at all. But they also tend to be people who base their votes more on a vague impression of someone's character than on factual detail. For them, the key word in this ad may be, not "deception," but "sleaze."
September 15, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Like people who voted for Bush in 04 because they thought Laura was nicer than Theresa Heinz Kerry.
Rick Davis is onto something with the "composite" character angle.
"When a candidate for public office faces the voters he does not face men of sense; he faces a mob of men whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental--men whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand. So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack or be lost... [A]ll the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre--the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
H.L. Mencken
That already happened. Let's not let it happen again.
September 15, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
But Alex, that's fogu you're responding to.
If Obama had released an ad doing exactly what fogu says he wants that ad to do, he'd be complaining that the ad was too harsh.
There are some people who comments here who think everything Obama does is wrong. Fogu is one of them.
September 15, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
But Alex, that's fogu you're responding to.
If Obama had released an ad doing exactly what fogu says he wants that ad to do, he'd be complaining that the ad was too harsh.
There are some people who comments here who think everything Obama does is wrong. Fogu is one of them.
September 15, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent. Honor is McCain's last 'strength'. Attack it and take away the reason to vote for him among independents.
September 15, 2008 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
mccain is a liar. repeat everyday til nov 4. keep a lie of the day tally. begin each news release with the mccain lie of the day. who can trust a liar? where is the honor in lying? what has a liar in chief done for the country in the last eight years?
September 15, 2008 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Andy:
Good point. McCain is a LIAR who knows NOTHING about the economy. Don't know why we are not tying him to the huge financial collapse happening today. McCain was involved in the last one with Charles Keating's massive S&L collapse as well.
Joe
September 15, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to see a few ads running at the same time, each of which talks about a Bush lie and then talks about a McCain/Palin lie, such as:
George Bush said that Iraq was behind the attacks on 9/11. [cite] That was false. [cite].
John McCain said that Sarah Palin opposed earmarks. [cite] That was false. [cite].
We've had eight years of a government we couldn't trust to tell the truth. Do we really need four more?
September 15, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like the idea behind your suggestion because there is a direct, straight line -- pointing downwards -- between Bush's lies as president, McShame's lies as a candidate, and what would surely be even worse lies if that dishonorable scumbag gets elected, God forbid.
But there is also ample evidence that repeating lies in order to debunk them only reinforces the original lies in the minds of most voters.
That's why I like this ad's approach of quoting the commentary on McShame rather than citing the specific lies. Doing more to reinforce the similarity with Bush would be good, though.
September 15, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Too bad they couldn't also fit in that great Rove quote of this weekend too.
September 15, 2008 9:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
obama is a patient strategist. that should not be confused for weakness. you have to let your enemy come out in the open before you spring the ambush. i think the counterattack is now on. ask hitler how stalingrad turned out for him.
September 15, 2008 9:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, since the only use the press accounts and mcShame himself, how do you attack this ad? Attack the press? Attack yourself?
September 15, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's about time that Obama started to call McMummy and McMommy for the liars that they are.
Next let's see them go full circle back to Bush, because to me it seems like McMommy is just Bush in a skirt.
September 15, 2008 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Keep the offensive going, let's hit em with the truth and hit them HARD.
September 15, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Its a very wise set-up. The narrative out there now is mcbush is a liar. That plants doubts into the GOP base of evangelicals. Now Obama can hit mccain almost at free will, and mccain will be fluttering to get his credibility back.
every GOP ad from now on will be intensely scrutinized for facts...i want to see what they will do.
meanwhile...Biden, mccain friend, will be playing the Judas role today, clobbering mccain over his honor.
plus....palin is out there getting more and more defined each day. there is so much cloud over her head, she may disappear.
this Obama fella is Shrewd.
6wks is forever in politics...hang on!.
September 15, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fabulous!
That's why it was right for them to wait. To let things simmer. Then WHAM!
September 15, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
andyfrombrooklyn: The DNC has a lie meter - It's called 'Count the Lies'. Today it's up to 51:
http://www.mccainpedia.org/index.php/Count_the_Lies
Where are Palins' tax returns - Are they being "amended"?
September 15, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
i gotta say though.
that was a vicious and withering ad.
as vicious as the sex-ed ad against obama...except..obamas' ad is fact.
man!.
September 15, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Where's my checkbook?!
September 15, 2008 9:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Keep slinging the mud... it will come back and bite you.. from an independent voter.
September 15, 2008 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please explain what the "mud" is here.
September 15, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't waste your breath on a ratfucking troll.
September 15, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Um, you maybe should have left this on Meghan McCain's blog, if you wanted to give someone some useful advice.
September 15, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Time to double down and keep them coming even tougher, meaner and stronger. Spend that $66 mil.
September 15, 2008 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't find the ad particularly impressive. Besides, the American public has been eating up the Bush lies for eight years. The only people who have objected to the lies are partisan Dems, but for some reason the rest of the public doesn't even care, so why should the voters care now about more lies from someone new? Now if the ad had said at the end something like "Competent people don't need to lie", the point might have been better made.
September 15, 2008 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo! would love to see jeefgee's point repeated on a regular basis.
It seems he was waiting to suck Mc Cain in, awesome ad!
September 15, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like the fact that, after being "dissed" last week by one of McCain's ads, Obama goes on the offensive and triple-dog disses McCain. Last week, McCain put out a particularly revolting dog-whistle ad in which a woman's voice, dripping with contempt, accused Obama of being "disrespectful" to Palin, i.e., uppity and not knowing his place in the presence of White Female Virtue. That wasn't an ad by surrogates or a 527, it was a campaign ad approved by John McCain. I think Obama very effectively counters by ignoring the Palin issue (Sarah who?), and going directly after McCain with "dishonest", "disgraceful", and "dishonorable", and there's nothing in these charges that Obama and his campaign can't back up. I also think it's important that Obama approved the message, because he is now making a direct, personal attack on John McCain's integrity. McCain ain't gonna like that, and I think it pushes him closer to publicly blowing a gasket. It would be nice if it occurred in one of the debates.
September 15, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I think it pushes him closer to publicly blowing a gasket. It would be nice if it occurred in one of the debates.
Please God, let this happen! I'll be a good boy for the rest of the year, I promise!
September 15, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not that I have a lot of clout, but I'll put in a good word for you with the Big Guy in my evening prayers.
September 15, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wade,
Is anyone comparing this financial crisis to the last ones? McCain took vacations with Charles Keating, head of a Savings & Loan that triggered the biggest bank collapse in the past 40 years. He wrote threatening memos to regulators to "free" Keating and others from simple banking and regulatory laws. His economic advisor Phil Gramm consulted for Enron while his wife worked there. Any ties to Lehman Brothers? Merrill? Bear Stearns? Letters to regulatory agencies?
McCAIN - WE CAN'T AFFORD HIS INCOMPETENCE AGAIN.
Joe
September 15, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mickey Kaus at Slate writes: "Outrage at McCain's 'lies' is a total loser strategy [because] MSM outrage doesn't sway voters anymore."
September 15, 2008 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't he a goatfucker? I seem to recall seeing that on some websites. So it must be true.
September 15, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
"goatfucker"?!?! Let's keep this clean, I don't recall anyone suggesting anywhere that the man has coitus with goats. Exaggerations of that sort are just another parcel of the politics of personal destruction.
The assertion has always been that he blows goats.
He hasn't issued a denial, to my knowledge, and I'm sure the liberal blogosphere would have made note of it if he had.
September 15, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Facts, schmacts. There was an underlying truthiness in my assertion that he is a goatfucker. Are you going to now argue that giving goats blow jobs is not really having sex with farm animals? Let's have a debate about this!
September 15, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Off topic, but as someone with a moose avatar, you probably take umbrage with Princess Palin's war on moosekind. I thought you might be interested in this quote from Iowa Lt. Gov. Patty Judge (D) (http://iowapolitics.com/index.iml?Article=135972).
"Sarah knows how to field-dress a moose. I know how to castrate a calf. Neither of those things has anything at all to do with this election. But since we know so much about Sarah's special skills, I wanted to make sure you knew about mine too."
September 15, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brilliant. Patty Judge for VP!
On the issue of Moosekind, all I have to say is I have more foreign policy experience than my mortal enemy. After all, I was chased by those infamous Russkis, Boris and Natasha.
September 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's pretty clear at this point that part of the Obama campaign's strategy has been patience.
Keeping the 527s out of the action has led the McCain people to begin slinging the mud themselves, and now their fundamental dishonesty has McCain's fingerprints on it.
I almost expect the Obama campaign to suggest maybe some of those town hall appearances might be a good idea - perhaps we can squeeze in 5 or so between now and the end of October.
McCain is holding the bag with the "dirty politics" tag on it now, and the credit crisis has just started to look like a tsunami with Lehman and Merrill Lynch having gone belly-up.
The Army Times has just pointed out a McCain untruth, and people can now seriously ask McCain/Palin whether they are pro-rape and pro-NAMBLA.
Let's see if Sen. McCain still wants those informal one-on-one sessions ...
September 15, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Traitorjoe's suggestion is excellent! Now that ad would have some meat on it.
September 15, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the ad is fine, a solid B. I think it would have been more effective to remind folks how they were lied to during the past 8 years. WMDs anyone? And, are folks ready to have 4 more years of this?
I really think that Obama needs to tap into the amazing economic anxiety gripping folks. I assume that there's a way to merge the GOP's fondness for deregulation and oversight and Phil Gramm to this current financial meltdown, and make it resonate.
September 15, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
OH SNAP.
September 15, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
by baltoellen said:
, I assume that there's a way to merge the GOP's fondness for deregulation and oversight and Phil Gramm to this current financial meltdown, and make it resonate.
The only problem with that is that all the Repubs would have to come back with is to point out who signed the bill that killed the Glass-Steagall Act--our very own Bill Clinton. Tratorjoe's suggestion about McCain's Keating Five dealings, on the other hand, would do two things: plant the facts of McCain's own dishonesty in people's minds (better than this ad above does) AND it would cause people to realize that he can't be trusted to protect us from depredation by financial organizations.
September 15, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo. I thought that's what the wait was last week. They sent very hard hitting truth bombs to the papers, waited for the headlines and then quoted the paper. Brilliant.
September 15, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
And another mistake I think Obama's making is only targeting cable stations and battleground states. Just look at the article just now put up on the front page here about Minnesota leaning right. Minnesota, for Pete's sake! One thing wrong with this plan of Obama's is that cable isn't available in a lot of areas, particularly in purple and red states, more rural areas. HE needs to go national, on the old-fashioned airwaves, over cable, over satellite, partly because he can't count on blue states to stay blue, but especially because he won't make inroads into blue states by treating them the same way he treats metropolitan areas.
September 15, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
So, has Barack Obama just been giving McCain and Palin enough rope to hang themselves? After all, we've now got a repeated pattern of bald-faced lies,... and the news media have (finally) taken notice.
Maybe the Obama campaign plans to change the dynamic of the race by branding McCain as dishonest, with PLENTY of evidence to back it up.
September 15, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think they also need to put one out that compares the time they've been talking about change. Something like, "We've been talking about change for 19 months. McCain has been talking about change since the end of the convention." The go on to a few hard hitting specifics, especially about taxes, as to what Obama offers, and McCain doesn't offer.
September 15, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andrew Sullivan said, "This is the first truly devastating and powerful Obama ad of the fall campaign. Play it again and again, guys. It will resonate especially with the independents who once liked McCain and now see the hollow cynic he has become."
Wonderful.
September 15, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, more like this please. PLEASE.
Other hits I'm imagining:
"McCain thinks your health plan is too generous and you use it too much. At the same time he's planning on cutting taxes for billionaires he wants you to start paying taxes on your payroll health benefits. Change? Right. Change for the worse."
Series of scary headlines from the Wall Street meltdown. Voice over: "These are the guys McCain wants to hand your Social Security benefits over to. Change? Right. Change for the worse."
Over McCain/Bush hug shot:
"McCain/Palin are for change? Sure. Even more billions in tax cuts for the wealthiest, privatizing social security and raising taxes on health benefits for the rest of us. Here's the change McCain/Palin hope you'll believe in." Image of wealthy, manicured hand dropping a few coins in a beggar's cup; focus and freeze on a dime and 3 pennies. "Spare change."
September 15, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a great ad. They need to make one or two more that are slightly different, but with the same message. That way it looks like the narrative has "critical mass" and isn't just one ad that's out and will go away soon. Obama needs to pile on to make this THE narrative.
September 15, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
This should be the theme of Obama's campaign because McSlime is not fit to be president.
September 15, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the ad was not so great, as didn't say why McCain is a scumbag.
The daily show hits it out of the park and I wanted to know if anyone else has seen this, as it ties McCain directly to Bush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcofkTJl_sM
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followed by tagline "JOhn McCain, 4 more years of the last 8 years."
September 15, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank God,FINALLY....some fighting back, but we need more, much more, we've got to put him on his heels and never ever let go.... keep hitting them all the way.... that's the ONLY language they understand and respect.
What honor... the guy is a gold digger,adulterer,corrupt...OLD,yes he is f~~king OLD...if he is going to run ad accusing Barak of child sex education... then hill yeah, all bets are off... we are going to call him every vile name he deserve.How about an ad with his Keating five scandal, his close ties to the defense contractors and war profiteering, his vote for the Iraq war with his saying on senate floor it will be a "cake walk" to high light his 25+ years career in DC... can't wait to bomb Iran....
September 15, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very glad to see this ad.
Every ad about the sleazy campaign should include "worst since South Carolina in 2000". Remind that somabitch.
Perhaps an ad that starts with that grossness from SC in 2k and then shows the narrative of mccain selling out (hugging bush, katrina birthday, 90%...) then mccain hiring the same people that were behind SC 2k. "THAT'S NOT CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN BECAUSE IT'S NOT CHANGE AT ALL"
September 15, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
He is both goatfucker & gold digger
September 15, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's weak, but better than nothing.
They need to attack, not condemn, ATTACK!
Whatever good it does, this is not an attack. Attacking is for someone who wants to take out the other guy. Condemnation, such as this, is for someone who is whining and complaining. It is long past time to fucking attack!
September 15, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, this ad is a start
More McCain footage please. Of McCain opposing tax cuts. Attacking evangelicals. Supporting gun control. Telling classless jokes. The video must be out there.
September 15, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why can't the Obama camp show those interesting video's Jon Stewart shows all the time ... where McCain and Bush say virtually the same if not the same things.
I saw a video clip showing McCain's RNC speech and it had so many points similar to Bush's 2000 speech ... wouldn't that help the Obama "McSame"/"McBush" point?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa20q2s2BRs
September 15, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I still think these ads are lacking the visceral "punch" of the McCain ads. The production values don't look as good, and they still seem to me to be speaking to the choir. Obama needs to be less Michael Moore and more Jerry Brukheimer at this point to increase the message impact. This means every negative ad comes along with a bright and shiny positive companion ad. The ads need to have images of the folks who feel snubbed and left out of this campaign. I'm not sure he can pull it out without a significant increase in the quality and quantity of these ads. The overall feeling is "duo-tone" and drab - a consistent aesthetic for them which isn't good for reaching middle america who should be the target right now. Note how the McCain ads order people to act - they have strong images and calls to action in every ad - that's not a mistake - its just good advertising.
September 15, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink