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Obama Camp: McCain Running "A Campaign Not Worthy Of The Office He's Seeking"

The Obama campaign, sensing a shift in the media narrative in response to McCain's constant lies and adver-sleazements, keeps up the hits on McCain's character with this scorcher from spokesperson Bill Burton:

"We will take no lectures from John McCain who is cynically running the sleaziest and least honorable campaign in modern Presidential campaign history. His discredited ads with disgusting lies are running all over the country today. He runs a campaign not worthy of the office he is seeking."

The statement is a response to an earlier statement from the McCain campaign decrying Obama's "scathing personal attacks," a reference to the Obama camp's hit on McCain's integrity in a statement late yesterday.

Clearly, the battle for independents will be fought out on this new "character" turf. During the primary the Obama campaign fought out the "character" battle with great skill, managing to criticize Hillary's character relentlessly without Obama appearing to be dragged down from his "new politics" pedestal.

Fighting this battle with McCain, however, could prove tougher. McCain has been described by the press for years and years as a pure-hearted and apolitical maverick who would never stoop to gutter political tactics.

Little by little, the coverage of McCain is changing. But will incrementally tougher media coverage of McCain really matter? The McCain forces clearly have decided it won't. So the question becomes, When does this line of attack on McCain's integrity and tactics start showing up in ads, as it did during the Dem primary? Should it?

If the Obama campaign is to strip away the residual "clean" image that the years of media puffery have calcified around McCain -- and reveal McCain for what he's truly become -- will concerted paid media be necessary?


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Yes. Put it in ads. The "original maverick" ad and the lobbyist ad they did were great. More like those. Call them liars. Repeat it. Liars. Dishonorable. He'd rather lose his integrity than lose an election.

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Here's a website the Obama Campaign has set up re lobbyists for mcShame and Lady mcSham:

http://www.johnmccainrecord.com/mclobbyist/index.html

Two things I think are running in parallel here:

1) Obama needed to let the McCain Campaign play out it's "make it about personalities not issues" attacks and watch where they were going, the fact that their own lies and smears/lies are catching up with them is really just an added plus. To use an analogy as they let the 'lines' play out, when they are finally caught the 'hook' sets in deep and they are trapped - and it's the Obama campaign that's holding the fishing pole...

2) Better to let all the bouncing around settle out in these early weeks in Sept. - not let the "peak" come to early - as the integrity issue becomes a bigger and bigger problem for the McCain campaign, they really don't seem to have a fallback position - they can't return to Issues and after in effect accusing Obama of 'child abuse' it doesn't seem to me that there is much lower to go.

McCain's appearance on the View was a complete disaster as he had the entire cast just taking apart any claim to integrity or modernity from his campaign... and people saw it Live.

more later.

I like this new tone from the obama campaign. I think they should keep it up

New Obama Ad, “The McCain Gamble”

I love that video!

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Absolutely right!

No more of this namby pamby "he's not nice" whining!

Unless and until Obama stands up and acts like a man, a real, everyday, American man and not a wimpy professor at some college somewhere he's not going to have the respect or the votes of the everyday men and women of this country and he needs them to win.

Now is when he needs to demonstrate that he can defend the country and by example. Americans won't vote for a wimp for President. If he won't forcefully and directly both defend himself and attack those attacking him, the people will find him lacking in the prime quality they seek in a President and that is someone who will defend THEM!

This is the perfect pushback.
Undermine McSame at his supposed strength.
Anyone with half a pulse can see he's running a sleazy, dishonorable campaign.

Probably the most disgusting trick McCain has pulled is his introduction of the "sexism" complaint. Palin lies and Democrats point out the lies and low and behold, McCain cries "sexism". Palin twists facts and is called on it by Charlie Gibson and low and behold, the Republican echo chamber cries sexism. Palin's troopergate story is unravelling and McCain calls it sexism, excusing her lies. Palin's statements about the "BRIDGE" turns out to be total fabrication the media finally recognizes, and McCain dodges the facts by crying "sexism'. In fact, They are the ones who offer sexist excuses. The very idea that a woman can lie repeatedly and then dodge behind her six is sexism in its very worst form. That behavior sets women's issues back centuries.

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Here's their strategy in a nutshell. They either LIE or CRY (wolf).

Watch them and you'll see. Everything they do fits in one of these two categories.

In my view, you just call them on it: There you go again - telling us lies. or ... There you go again, just "crying wolf."

And for a punchline, if you want... "Do you have nothing to offer but lies and cries of wolf?

Great!

Only if you campaign in style, have your own presidential seal and know how to send an email do you deserve to be elected.

Please, chill. Take a STFU! pill.

Why is Lala35adm so ugly? Because John McCain is his father!

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He's a party loyalist. There is no logic. He has outsourced his self image to Karl Rove.

Or because his dad was that marvelous gorilla.

something tells me you laughed when you heard that joke

At least I don't plaster makeup on my face like a trollup, you cunt.

Yeah, I did, in disbelief that McCain thought it was funny enough to repeat.

If I were a troll, how many comments would I need to win the matchbox version of the straight talk express?

It beats giving weekly radio addresses as if you were the president, campaign commercials calling yourself "President McCain", sending the Bopsy twins(Lieberman, Graham) to Georgia.. Your douchebaggery knows no bounds.

I've gotta come out and say this. I love this aspect of Obama's campaign--the schoolmasterly disgust with bad behavior. I know it seems snooty. And my former-Hillaryite friends tend to hate this about Obama. But I just eat this stuff up. It's exactly what I want out of politicans. Hate the game.

Aye, the school principal is what is called for to call out these lying scum.

Hey, our avatars are back!

Greg yes, yes and yes. It is all over the headlines and thus easy to defend and highlight. This isnt a desperate shot in the dark when even freaking Oreilly is cautioning Mccain. It is also jujitsu in the best sense. Rovian tactics have always been founed on going after the opponent's strength and whether we like it or no it works. In 2k Bush and Rove crippled Mccain by questioning his integrity. I seriously see much less risk than you do. This forces Mccain off message, shoves Palin out of the spotlight and puts Obama on the attack. The MSM thrives on the candidate on the assaultis always has and always will. The alternative is let it go and hope the MSM does its Job? Greg you seriously think that will work? To me that is a huge risk and tactical error that will lead to the strategic nightmare of Obama having to deal with a candidate that can say whatever he wants against the weak democrat.

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Fighting this battle with McCain, however, could prove tougher.

Yeah, it could. It could also prove easier now.


It's at least 50-50, Greg, IMO.

And go Obama! Backarate - take 'em down.

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Dammit -

Barackarate.


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It will surly be easier.

Palin is dangerously inexperienced and dangerously unbalanced.

She believes that the world is in the end times and will be consumed by a great Tribulation - based on a childishly critical misinterpretation of the meaning of Revelations.

So ask her this, If the Rapture comes - is she expected to be taken up? Will she be gone just when the country and the world needs her the most?

Palin is a dysfunctional soccer mom at best (unwed-daughter preggs, son in the army in lieu of jail and won't even be photographed with her, husband DUI and indicted).

But as VP or Pres? We're talking neocon sock-puppet.


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I honestly think SHE is in for a great tribulation! In that she will be correct.

I'm hopeful.

If the rapture is coming, Palin will be heading back to Alaska - Pronto! It's one of those refuge sites, don't cha know? That way if the Lord decides that her work isn't finished here, she'll be safe in Alaska.

The environment is definitely changing. I'm hoping by the time of the SNL mock debates, the lying meme is so prevalent they make it the central theme of McCain & Palin. Not only would it be perfect & true, it would be hilarious.

Bush and Cheney lied to start a war
McCain and Palin lie to get some more...

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Excellent!

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Of course it needs to be in the "Media," that is the only source most people get their info from.

And of course what Obama should do is CHANGE the way he campaigns. He needs to do it several more times, because that is the only way to get the media to CHANGE their coverage. That's why McCain ended up with Palin - she completely changed the tenor of the campaign and that was a story. Then the repeated lies became the story, but that would have died off if Obama hadn't started attacking ON the lies - now that's the story - and I think the Palin interview is the next evolution in the Palin story - a negative turn for her - but what will be next? - this has to be plotted out like a Shakespearean Drama - with enough wiggle room to allow for adaptations along the way.

I would love to see the Obama script right now, but that ruin the drama.

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Let's look at this campaign so far -

McLame started out trying to make a case that he should be handed the presidency because he is a POW.

Then along came Sarah. They both argued that she was qualified to be his running mate because they said so, she's a woman, and pbbbbththththththth!! to all of you.

Barack Obama: "The presidency is something you earn, it shouldn't be a cakewalk."

Now, who is asking to be president on the basis of set design and message massage?

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I think they're sensing a possible shift, and, I think they're working hard to goad McCain into the same kind of "Read my book!" response that the Time reporters got.

I don't know if this will work, or backfire, but I'm delighted to finally see the Obama campaign call out the travesty that John McCain has turned into.

And since lalo doesn't like it, must be a good thing.

Agreed on Lalo:

"Mrrr, presidential seal, mrrr, pshhhh, does not compute, Daisy, Daisy..." BOOOMM!!!

I actually don't like it for one very simple reason.

It feels like a burst of righteous indignation carefully faked by a very scared candidate who lost his campaign over ego and has no idea what to do now.

So, he's just flailing his arms, puffing his cheeks and defending himself. Defending, defending, defending, defending, etc.

McCain is running around talking about reform and all the good things, and all Obama can say is "he's lying". Pretty lame for a change agent.

That's why.

Why is Lalo35adm so ugly? Because John McCain is his father!

Your "concern" is dully noted..

"duly"

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O I loved "dully" - I thought it was perfect!

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Lalo is also pretty dull, so it works either way.

Obviously nowhere near as entertaining as you, so your crown is safe.

This coming from TPM's resident pair of clown shoes.

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Lalo, you never like anything Obama does, so your criticism is a bit hollow and stale.

I'm surprised you didn't trot out the "McCain was a POW, and therefore, can't use a computer" defense that Jonah Goldberg did.

Perhaps you didn't because you, unlike Jonah, knew that the McCain campaign's response was "John uses a laptop!@!!! WAAAAAAAH!"

Is it possible to dislike someone and still vote for them, or do I have to be a worshipper like you?

Is it possible that a concern troll will ever stop coming across like a scorned teenage girl?

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Sure. Just like I wouldn't have liked Clinton and still voted for her...but you're not voting for Obama either way, so why bring this up?

You don't like McCain?

Coulda fooled me.

McCain has not changed. He has always been a sleezy lowlife.

Look at how he treated his first wife.

Look at his behavior in the Keating Five corruption case.

Look at how has always surrounded himself with big time Federal lobbyists.

Look at how he has thrown violent temper tantrums at every fellow Senator who did not kiss his ass 24/7.

McCain is a classic passive aggressive type. He smears others while decrying such tactics, and never stops telling us about what a honorable person he is.

Only genuine scoundrels have to keep telling people how honorable they are.

McCain is behaving as a Sewer Rat now, because that is what he always has been.

You can put lipstick on Sewer Rat McCain, but he is still A Sewer Rat.

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He was the same in highschool and college.

This guy has never had any honor whatsoever! Just somebody who stole the mantle and believed it was his due to being a POW. Well, I'm sorry! He likely got off on pissing off his captors! Same passive aggressive stuff there too!

He's always been a rogue. Wanting honor and dignity.

But he's never earned it. And he doesn't deserve it!

I keep telling you, Greg...it is not a fortuitous happenstance.

Team Obama plays chess.

The rest of us play.. I dunno, what is the game called where you throw rocks at eachother's heads from five feet away?

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LOL!

It's not often that I agree with you, but that comment is a corker!!!!

I really love it.

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Nice!

Donkey Kong?

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And since lalo doesn't like it, must be a good thing.

The TPM troll barometer.

It really makes life easier. How good something is for Obama is directly related to how many trolls appear on said thread.

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like your new avatar a lot.

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I like it too, Hyper.

Lalo as the TPM troll barometer.

And apparently, mlux is Lalo, but without all the charm.

Thank you, kindly.

I miss the avatar reference--who is it?

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hyperrevue

All me, baby ;)

Speaking of trolls, who the hell is this mlux asshat?

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mlux is Lalo, but without all the charm

The media and everyone are scratching their heads asking, "Why is John McCain doing this?" So have I and here is the answer. John McCain sold his soul to the devil to win this campaign. It explains everything.

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He sold his soul when he made up with bush. and then simply took over the rovian type campaign. he and they knew it was exactly that!

I'll be convinced that Obama gets it when he rolls out a full-scale advertising blitz listing all of McCain's repeated lying during this campaign. An angry denunciation of McCain's mendacity by his spokesman, who makes Karl rove look manly BTW, is pretty weak sauce.

Color me unimpressed by Obama's repeated failure to capitalize on any advantage he has had in this race so far.

Sarah Palin is living proof that in the Republican party greed always trumps values. Picking a woman as the spearhead of the assault on women's rights is ingeniously depraved. Way to go Carl Rove.

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Don't you love it? The Repugs are classic in that way - they invert everything. And I can't get past the fact that they actually have talked themselves into believing that reality, which the Democrats do represent these days, actually favors their inside-out views.

It's really subtle, but I swear, if there is an anti-Christ, it's Rove. I've never seen such a gift for inversion as his.

It's really evil. He has perfected the art of, as you say, for example: using a woman to spearhead the assault on women. He invented this as far as I can tell. And they've been doing this for almost 20 years. Now they've taken it so far that it really is like watching one of those old magic lantern shows - it's something playing in another realm - one can only stand there and watch it - one cannot participate - if you see what I mean.

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Actually, I think Lee Atwater invented this shit. Rove has perfected it. I think however, he overwrote it pretty badly.

And I also if I were John McLame, not trust Rove. Cause I believe he's perfectly capable of fucking McLame over at the same time he thinks he's psyching us out.

But that's just the ganja talking no doubt.

;)

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McCain has been described by the press for years and years as a pure-hearted and apolitical maverick who would never stoop to gutter political tactics.

I'm pretty sure we're done with that one. McCain's sleazy, dishonest campaign tactics have put that meme out of its misery.

McCain's campaign is clearly in desperate trouble. His message is all over the map, he has completely abandoned the experience argument, he's undercut his credibility and integrity by running a slimy, dishonest campaign, and his play to win over disenfranchised Hillary voters by picking Palin will, I think, prove to be one of the losingest political gambles in history. McCain may not realize it yet, but he is toast.

Why did it have to take the current political climate for Obama to talk to tough? We didn't his campaign do a preemptive strike right after Barack secured his party's nomination?

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Why do you want to drag us backwards?

What can any of us or Obama do about something that did or did not happen in the past?

The past is gone - it's another universe. Forget it.

Because no one expected Sarah, that's why.

I did. I wrote on here, a week before Obama picked Biden, that Obama should pick a woman, in order to protect his flank, and if he did not, McCain would probably pick a woman, and make huge gains amongst Women.

I suggested that he should pick either Hillary, Sebelius or Senator McCaskill, but he should not leave that flank exposed. Now look at what has happened.

Since I wrote that before Biden was picked, and I am no high powered campaign guru, then why the hell did Obama's people not see that they were leaving their selves open to losing a big chunk of women voters.

I agree with the comment that he's playing chess and we're all playing dodgeball.

McCain had to have enough rope to hang himself with, and for it to become cravenly obvious that he's become scummy or those attacks wouldn't have worked and may have backfired. However, now its becoming common wisdom, so Obama's strikes are seen as "hitting back" not "hitting first", thus allowing him to not be dragged off his high-road while getting tough.

Americans don't play chess. They play tackle football. Americans love blood sport. If Obama wants to win, he needs to flex some muscle NOW.

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I think they've played it exactly right. By running an honorable campaign while McCain ran a sleaze machine, Obama has heaped burning coals upon the old man's head. At some point, it's just gonna be a matter of kicking over the charred remains of McCain's failed presidential bid.

The answer to your question, in my opinion:

I agree with the comment that he's playing chess and we're all playing dodgeball.

McCain had to have enough rope to hang himself with, and for it to become cravenly obvious that he's become scummy or those attacks wouldn't have worked and may have backfired. However, now its becoming common wisdom, so Obama's strikes are seen as "hitting back" not "hitting first", thus allowing him to not be dragged off his high-road while getting tough.

whereas obama has to call out mccain and palin on their lies, i don't think that will win him the election. almost every issue favors obama. the state of the economy favors obama. 8 yrs of republican incompetence favors obama. if he let's those things take a back seat to calling out mccain and making this election about character, then he is rolling the dice. clearly, the media and the public would always rather make elections about this kind of stuff, but i think it's a mistake for obama to go too far, because he'll never be able to get the media and the public to focus again on what the election should really be about.

Sure, he should not go too far. Question is how far is too far? I am pretty confident in the campaign gauging this correctly. It is also easy to forget that Obama has consistently stayed on the issues even though it has not gotten ink*.

Consider this counterargument: calling McCain out is crucially important. Issues favour Obama, yet he does not hold an overwhelming lead. It would be fairly uncontroversial to hypothetise that John McCain has managed to hold as close as he has specifically because of his appeal to the character segment. What does John McCain have left if that goes away?

* The coverage is either "Obama dazzles with rhetoric, short on substance" and "Obama boring, not usual soaring rhetoric, two hours full of dull highly specific policy details."

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Where is the ad campaign pointing out the flip-flopping, the lies and the naked ambition of the McCain campaign? Where is the 24/7 b-slapping the needs to occur before the public gets it?

One of the stupidest things that Obama did was to tell the 507's to back off. Did he somehow think the repubs would do the same? This is the thing that has bothered about Obama from the start, all this happy talk of bi-partisanship. You can't work with this crop of Repubs you can only run hard against them and make them feel it. Kerry learned this the hard way, as did Gore.

At least I thought they learned it.

Maybe it isn't too late, but they should defined McCain long before this.

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Where is the ad campaign pointing out the flip-flopping, the lies and the naked ambition of the McCain campaign? Where is the 24/7 b-slapping the needs to occur before the public gets it?

One of the stupidest things that Obama did was to tell the 507's to back off. Did he somehow think the repubs would do the same? This is the thing that has bothered about Obama from the start, all this happy talk of bi-partisanship. You can't work with this crop of Repubs you can only run hard against them and make them feel it. Kerry learned this the hard way, as did Gore.

At least I thought they learned it.

Maybe it isn't too late, but they should defined McCain long before this.

Maybe "the first day of the rest of the campaign" doesn't start until Monday?

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So good I had to post it twice. Sorry...

For those who wondered about Joe Biden, the answer comes for the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/washington/AP-Biden.html

The headline give me a good feeling for what's coming: Biden prepares for more prominent role in campaign

As this statement shows, I'm feeling a shift on the atmosphere...

Get ready!

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From Josh's link to ProPublica on the front page:

Peter Feldman, a spokesman for the McCain campaign, did not respond directly to questions about whether Palin was aware that the project had begun anew or that $73 million in federal funds had been set aside for it. "The fact is that once Governor Palin was elected and had an opportunity to look closely at the project, she killed it," he said in an e-mailed statement. "She fought for Congress to kill the provision, but they sent the funds anyway. Palin fired the kill shot by not using a dime of that money on the bridge."

Note to Josh: since your site is called Talking Points Memo, how about posting this talking point on the front page, so that hopefully the next person who has contact with the McCain campaign or any of Palin's spokespeople will know what question to ask: exactly how did Palin "fight for Congress to kill the provision"?

I mean, come the fuck on. They keep recycling these same weak ass claims. Palin says "I told Congress, thanks but no thanks." Really? How, exactly, did Sarah Palin communicate her opposition to the bridge to Congress? With a memo? A letter? Phone calls? Press conferences?

Please, please, please someone ask the RIGHT FREAKIN' QUESTION. Make her present the documentary evidence that she did what she and they continue to claim that she did. Make them put up or shut up.

Do any of the rest of you see why this is the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION to ask on this topic? Seriously, where's her wiggle room if she's finally asked to put up or shut up? And why the hell isn't anyone in a position to speak directly to the campaign smart enough to figure out this is what needs to be asked?

You want a true moose in the headlights question? This is the one.

I think everything is going in a good direction, now.

"Here is what I can guarantee you, that we are going to be hitting back hard," Obama said. "We have been hitting hard. But we are hitting back on the issues that matter to families. I am not going to start making up lies about John McCain. There is an old saying that Abraham Lincoln had about one of his opponents, he said if you don't stop lying about me, I'm going to have to start telling the truth about you."

Have a little faith in our candidate, people.

Scary Palin is Clarence Thomas, dressed in frumpy, frozen tundra chic.

Greg,

If you're looking for the reason why the McCain camp has suddenly turned nasty during the last two weeks, I'd say it's a pretty good bet that hiring Tucker Eskew is to blame. For those of you who don't know this clown, he's the McCain said deserved a "special place in hell" for a whisper campaign in South Carolina that claimed his adopted daughter was actually fathered out of wedlock and that McCain was still mentally unfit due to his years as a POW. ABC's Jake Tapper does a nice job summarizing this shocking hire here.

My personal opinion is that hiring this guy is reason enough that McCain should be disqualified from the presidential race, if only for what that says about his desire to win by rewarding someone that - by his own admission - deeply hurt his family, or more importantly, his vulnerable daughter.

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O you are so right. So very right about this -

Watch them try to do a U-turn because of the pushback.

It reminds me very much of what happened in Clinton's campaign.

For those who wondered about Joe Biden, the answer comes for the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/washington/AP-Biden.html

The headline give me a good feeling for what's coming: Biden prepares for more prominent role in campaign

As this statement shows, I'm feeling a shift on the atmosphere...

Get ready!

good point.

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Little by little, the coverage of McCain is changing. But will incrementally tougher media coverage of McCain really matter?

I don't think it's really going to be incremental. I think we're at or very near a tipping point or critical mass. Once we've hit that point, things change very, very quickly. McCain is dishonorable will become the new accepted wisdom, and all the reporting will be done in that light.

If you've ever been disillusioned by someone you care about, you'll understand the process. At first, you resist. The evidence is building, but you dismiss it or rationalize it away. At some point though, something breaks through, and you finally accept that this person is not who you thought they were. Once that happens, you start to see everything in a different light, and your attitude changes almost overnight.

i disagree. just look at 2004. how could this country re-elect GWB with everything that we knew about him?

mccain taking this lead at this point in the cycle is very worrisome.

mccain being dishonorable is an easy sell among democrats, especially those of us who are political junkies. it's not so easy to sell that to the disinterested, the uninformed, or the hard-headed...

i disagree. just look at 2004. how could this country re-elect GWB with everything that we knew about him?

mccain taking this lead at this point in the cycle is very worrisome.

mccain being dishonorable is an easy sell among democrats, especially those of us who are political junkies. it's not so easy to sell that to the disinterested, the uninformed, or the hard-headed...

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*We* knew the truth, but most people didn't. In 2004, most people still believed that there must have been some good reason for going into Iraq. Remember that at the time, a majority of people *still* believed that Iraq was connected to 9-11 and that Iraq had WMD. Bush still had approval ratings of 50 percent or more during most of that year. We hadn't hit the tipping point yet.

Um . . . Palin STILL holds the view that Iraq was responsible for 9/11.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091102162.html?sub=AR

September 11, 2008
. . .In her speech to the troops and their families, [Palin] linked the terrorist attacks to the Iraq war _ a claim no longer supported by the Bush administration.

She told the troops headed to Iraq that they would "be there to defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced from the death of thousands of Americans."

Claims that Iraq shared responsibility for the attacks with al-Qaida were once promoted by administration officials, but have since been rejected, even by President Bush.
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"You'll be there because America can never go back to that false sense of security that existed before Sept. 11, 2001," she said. "You will be there to win, you will see victory."

Well, she could hardly have told all those young men that we were sending them off to kill and risk death for no reason ...

The timing of this line of attack is not accidental. Obama needed to have the media start turning, calling out lies, deceptions, etc. They needed to have some of McCain's old media allies start talking about what kind of disgrace his campaign has become and how it is not befitting the McCain "they knew".

These attacks on McCain's integrity and the integrity of his campaign may or may not backfire, but if Obama had launched these types of attacks before the media was "ready", they most definitely would have backfired.

The way I see it, this campaign has come down to one thing: change. Who will bring it and what will it mean? Obama must not lose that battle against McCain. If he does, this game is over.

Cultivated the growing media narrative around McCain's deceptions and his sleazy Rove campaign run by lobbyists and is not what most people think of as "change".

I am cautiously optimistic about the direction things are moving, just got to hope the media follows Obama's lead.

P.S., the reply function isn't working. Its simply throwing replies into the main branch of the comments.

i disagree. just look at 2004. how could this country re-elect GWB with everything that we knew about him?

mccain taking this lead at this point in the cycle is very worrisome.

mccain being dishonorable is an easy sell among democrats, especially those of us who are political junkies. it's not so easy to sell that to the disinterested, the uninformed, or the hard-headed...

wow, sorry... this system sucks...

I hear you Kensdad, but I personally feel that this is Obama laying the groundwork. Even though I do think Team Obama wants people to know that McCain is a dishonorable politician for political gain - I think its really about providing cover, so when Obama goes nuclear on McCain it will seem as merely counter-punching and not dirty campaign tactics.

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It's not going to be an easy sell, but with the media throwing the punches first, it will be an easier sell.

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This is the second MEGA LIE out of the Obama campaign in two days:

First, they they imply that McInsane has honor and integrity when there is no evidence to suggest that he in fact has ever had honor or integrity.

Now Obama's folk are implying that the old insane bastard is driving the bus. There is no, nada, none evidence that McInsane has the mens rea to run his campaign. Quite the contrary, there is crap-loads of proof that lobbyists control every aspect of the campaign.

When will the media call out Obama for slandering this pathetic fuck. All good Americans need to acknowledge that McCain has never had integrity to trade, give or sell for any office AND McCain is far too bat-shit crazy to be running his campaign. Obama must stop giving Amaericans hope that McCain might possibly be capable of running the country.

Funny! But true.

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Obama, DNC and 3rd parties (like the Defenders of Wildlife, who ran this powerful ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCzca5ENIkw) need to keep hammering away, including the use of ads for two main reasons.

1. If Obama doesn't keep up the pressure, then McCain will drive the daily narrative by sliming the shit out of Obama - that's how we got to this juncture in the first place. A lot of cable news talk centers around attack ads, in fact for guys like Joe Scarborough, they're all that seem to matter. So even, if the campaign doesn't buy a lot of air time, it's good to release ads regularly just to keep the pressure on and to give the media an excuse to say that you're tough etc., For too long, Dems have allowed themselves to be portrayed as "weak" and that really hurts.

2. Fact is, many voters don't follow the news, or they only get it from shallow sources. These ads, especially well-made ones, are a critical way to reach these voters, even if it is just to define the opposition. Fuzzy ads with James Taylor guitar music telling people how you want "better jobs" doesn't cut it.

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Obama, DNC and 3rd parties (like the Defenders of Wildlife, who ran this powerful ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCzca5ENIkw) need to keep hammering away, including the use of ads for two main reasons.

1. If Obama doesn't keep up the pressure, then McCain will drive the daily narrative by sliming the shit out of Obama - that's how we got to this juncture in the first place. A lot of cable news talk centers around attack ads, in fact for guys like Joe Scarborough, they're all that seem to matter. So even, if the campaign doesn't buy a lot of air time, it's good to release ads regularly just to keep the pressure on and to give the media an excuse to say that you're tough etc., For too long, Dems have allowed themselves to be portrayed as "weak" and that really hurts.

2. Fact is, many voters don't follow the news, or they only get it from shallow sources. These ads, especially well-made ones, are a critical way to reach these voters, even if it is just to define the opposition. Fuzzy ads with James Taylor guitar music telling people how you want "better jobs" doesn't cut it.

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Did anyone catch this http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2008/09/13/1862598-forum-sells-obama-waffles-with-racial-stereotype

A disgusting new low for American Values & Focus on the Family groups. I onder if McCain will denounce it?

I've been among the panicked the past week . . . but I do have to wonder if Obama holding back and letting the media attack McCain was part of the strategy, so he doesn't come out as the initial bad guy.

Still, it does seem time for an ad taking McCain on as a serial liar . . . perhaps using some of those many media headlines that have been making that point for him.

I've been among the panicked the past week . . . but I do have to wonder if Obama holding back and letting the media attack McCain was part of the strategy, so he doesn't come out as the initial bad guy.

Still, it does seem time for an ad taking McCain on as a serial liar . . . perhaps using some of those many media headlines that have been making that point for him.

I've been among the panicked the past week . . . but I do have to wonder if Obama holding back and letting the media attack McCain was part of the strategy, so he doesn't come out as the initial bad guy.

Still, it does seem time for an ad taking McCain on as a serial liar . . . perhaps using some of those many media headlines that have been making that point for him.

I've been among the panicked the past week . . . but I do have to wonder if Obama holding back and letting the media attack McCain was part of the strategy, so he doesn't come out as the initial bad guy.

Still, it does seem time for an ad taking McCain on as a serial liar . . . perhaps using some of those many media headlines that have been making that point for him.

In no small part because of the polls showing McCain's supporters are now as enthusiastic as Obama's. So much of Obama's campaign was built on the excitement and momentum he generated - and there's so much fear and depression out there now, that I worry it could cause supporters to just give up in despair - which Obama really cannot afford to have happen.

Monday we will see the blitzkrieg from the Obama campaign.

Anyone see John Fund and Jeneane Garofalo on Maher's "Real Time"? oh my fucking god.

(Salman Rushdie was there too but he had to take a cameo role to the American splendor before him. But he's on our side folks!)

It was like an episode of Jerry Springer with bitching ideologies on either side:

the Wall-Street-free-market-thug-head-cynical-blow-hard-smug-fuck

VERSUS

the-tattooed-free-thinkin'-nasty-smellin'- no-shit-takin'-uber-liberal.

It was sublime in the same way that scarification is painful but nonetheless indelible, undeniable and I suppose, in the eyes of the beholder.

Anyone see John Fund and Jeneane Garofalo on Maher's "Real Time"? oh my fucking god.

(Salman Rushdie was there too but he had to take a cameo role to the American splendor before him. But he's on our side folks!)

It was like an episode of Jerry Springer with bitching ideologies on either side:

the Wall-Street-free-market-thug-head-cynical-blow-hard-smug-fuck

VERSUS

the-tattooed-free-thinkin'-nasty-smellin'- no-shit-takin'-uber-liberal.

It was sublime in the same way that scarification is painful but nonetheless indelible, undeniable and I suppose, in the eyes of the beholder.

I agree that the worm may turn faster than expected. Also, one interesting element of that Newsweek poll featured...

"Overall, a majority of voters (52 percent) have a favorable opinion of Palin, even if they are not familiar with some of the details in her record. Fifty-seven percent of registered voters did not know that Palin opposes abortion even in instances of rape and incest. Sixty-nine percent did not know that she favors teaching creationism in public schools. Asked if Palin shares their view on abortion, 43 percent of white women said yes, 41 percent said no and 16 percent did not know."

This implies to me that the more they get to know Sarah Palin, the more some of this might fall-away. I'm convinced that the opposite is true of Obama.

Therefore, the more Obama is out there, the better for him, but the more Palin is in the wild, the worse for her and McCain (as he's hitched his wagon to her star). This is a good position for Obama, as long as he is aggressive in his campaigning.

but . . .how do we make sure that voters KNOW that side of Palin? Especially the opposition to abortion for rape/incest victims, which is completely over the top and I think would be rejected even by many voters who are otherwise not particularly pro-choice. One thing is to make sure WE are letting our friends, and friends' friends, and so on, know just how extreme she is on that issue. Because I don't see it coming from the press.

Can anyone name ONE democrat in say the past 20 years who lost to a Republican because she was TOO aggressive?

McCain: first he adopts Bush's war policies, then Bush's tax policies, then Bush's economic policies, then Bush's energy policies, then Bush Bush's torture policies, and now he has adopted Bush's sleazy style of politics. It is harder day by day to tell the two apart.

Maverick reformer? More like a reformed maverick.

Taking the low road never wins. I think if Obama decides to go hugely negative, as it appears in the past 2 days he has, it is going to hurt him.

Jerry Springer 24/7- someone please change the channel

The truth is a great ally, and the truth always rises to the top.

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Taking the low road never wins. I think if Obama decides to go hugely negative, as it appears in the past 2 days he has, it is going to hurt him.

Absolutely. Just ask President Kerry.

Spokesman On McCain Strategy of Campaign Lies
From NBC's First Read ...

McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said this to the Politico about the increased media scrutiny of the campaign's factual claims: "We're running a campaign to win. And we're not too concerned about what the media filter tries to say about it."
Basing a campaign for high office on a strategy of deliberate lies is not an issue of tactics. It calls into question the character of the candidate and his fitness for office.

I've been SAYING THIS FOR MONTHS they are targeting or grandparents our seniors, the one who go to bed after the 6:00 news , the ones who do not have computers, the ones who get out teeth and nail to vote, because they are also the one who march for the freedom to vote be they man or woman...And this shows that MSM have also failed them...I'm servering my country and noone is serving my grandmom and greatgrand while I'm away...Nor are they serving yours...IT'S A SAD DAY IN AMERICA
Let your grandparent and any grandparent know!

McCain, and Hillary, voted against the Barack Oilbama supported Bush-Cheney Energy Bill that that put $6 billion in the pocket of big oil.

It is Oilbama that = 4 more years of Bush-Cheney

McCain, and Hillary, voted against the Barack Oilbama supported Bush-Cheney Energy Bill that that put $6 billion in the pocket of big oil.

It is Oilbama that = 4 more years of Bush-Cheney

It would appear that Dem BillC has made yet another trip to the real world from Bizarro World.

Where's Superman when we need him?

Oh -- right here: http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/j/z/1/obama_superman_awesome.jpg

It would appear that Dem BillC has made yet another trip to the real world from Bizarro World.

Where's Superman when we need him?

Oh -- right here: http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/j/z/1/obama_superman_awesome.jpg

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"When does this line of attack on McCain's integrity and tactics start showing up in ads, as it did during the Dem primary? "

Eventually. In about eight to ten weeks tops (give or take a week or two). Some people feel betrayed because Obama promised to fight back against ultra right smears and lies. Some people feel that the money they contribute get pissed away in overly respectful, overly cautious, ads that barely touch all the deep divisions in American society. But I have read on these posts that I have never conducted a presidential campaign so what do I know. I guess I know that the Democratic consultants have lost the last two winnable elections and they sure look like they are throwing this one. What is it they know? Axelrod's experience with Presidential campaigns was losing with Edwards in 2004; Plouffe has no experience with any Presidential campaign to my knowledge. And Obama when he says he will fight is full of shit.

Ever since Super Tuesday, every single time we've worried that Obama wasn't fighting hard enough, he's bided his time, then come out and astonished everyone once again, as he came up with a response that handled the issue and forced his opponent into some different line of attack.

roo_P is right. Obama is playing chess. Can't wait to see what happens when he makes his next big move next week.

I lurk many forums, and try to post mostly on the ones that need the word spread, so haven't posted here before, but I just wanted to complement the site and its regulars for running an excellent, civil and intelligent blog. Trolls are everywhere, but in the main I come here when I can't take the hate and ignorance elsewhere and always enjoy the comments.

And don't worry--we're going to win. The polls are readjusting, the media's getting cranky with His Ancientness for not buying them donuts anymore, and the new will wear off Caribou Barbie as her name is drug back and forth through the media pigpen. Lipstick won't be enough to keep her all shiny and new. Hopefully trashing McDismal will be the next trend to catch on, since no one's done it yet.

Politicians who lie to the public are engaging in a Betrayal of the Public Trust and it should be deemed unethical. Exposing John McCain’s Lies — Pass it on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk

Are we finally pulling back the Curtin on the Wizards?

Ground Zero is a Symbol of Republicans' failed policies, that after 7 years Ground Zero is still a hole, still zero! Nothing from nothing leaves nothing and that is not Change we can believe in!

Just a note: Over here in The Rest Of The World (tm), we're all firmly supporting Obama.

There is no sane person outside of the US that supports republicans this time around.

The fact that most Americans still think it's a toss-up shows the crapulence of your media.

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The press is under a duress unlike any seen since the beginning of our nation. They have not figured it out. One side says they will lie or do whatever it takes to win, no matter what the mainstream press might say. That presents a very large challenge. How do they handle it?

Should that not be the story? That a political Party in this nation has created a propaganda system on its own so strong that it does not need or want the media or the press to report on their underhanded tactics or lies and will feel no consequences for doing so?

It is a crisis, not only for the Democratic Party but for the press. There must be some standard for holding our politicians to the truth. There must be consequences for deliberately lying to the public. However, at the moment, there is none.

In the vein of 'Not worthy of the office he's seeking', how about this slant on the idea? McCain and his surrogates often fall back on 'he served his country, he was a POW', therefore he is qualified to be commander in chief. Well chew on this for a bit. The Navy refused to promote McCain beyond the rank of Commander, thus under the philosophy of 'up or out', ended his Naval career, and two plus generations of career Naval officers in the McCain family. He then started making the moves leading to a political career, at least continuing the McCain family record of drawing a government paycheck, a record lasting nearly a century at this point. Does that sound like an agent of change, or like someone who has any moral standing to come out against government spending? Let me repeat this, they didn't even want him to have the rank of Captain, much less Admiral, in all its levels. Do you think that a military branch, having made this decision, thinks that McCain has the talent to be Commander in Chief?

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