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New RNC Ad: It's Obama Who Represents "More Of The Same"

A day after McCain repeatedly portrayed himself as a warrior for "change" in his big convention speech, the Republican National Committee goes up on the air with a new ad likening Obama to Congressional Democrats in order to claim that he represents "more of the same."...

What you have here is a two-fer: McCain and the RNC have now appropriated not one, but two of the Obama campaign's messages. They've grabbed Obama's "change" message for McCain and are trying to tatoo the Dems' frequent "more of the same" refrain on Obama himself.

Needless to say, the ad has the "celeb" chanting and imagery, too. According to Politico, it will run in 12 battleground states.


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I have to say that this is a very effective ad in that it reframes Obama’s convention speech. Also note that they’ve used the line “old ideas” to rebut the charges of “same old policies” that the Obama team has been using in their ads. I wish the production values of Obama’s campaign ad team were more up to par, and that’s the one thing that has bothered me about the Obama ad team is the clear contrast in terms of media marketing.

Flattery is the best form of praise.

Anyone else notice they are starting to copy what the democrats are doing?

They have no new ideas but to replicate the same ideas. I prefer the source, not the copy.

In addition to the flattery via imitation, there is also the revealing acknowledgement that the more-of-the-same tag is hurting them badly enough that they have to address it. Their response using ideology and misinformation comes off as stale.

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Try this on for size:

"McCain and his secessionist allies... Not ready to lead"

I think you mean "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". Or something.

Um, this is what Bush did to Gore in 2000. Tacked towards him and eliminated the appearance of policy differences by using the exact same language.

If you pretend there was little difference on the issues and co opt the messages and all you have is character to determine your choice. That was Rove's little plan then, and that will be the plan now.

However, their accusations of liberalism and other talk-radio buzzwords hardly smack of centrism. Once again, this ad will only preach to the believers and not to the swing voters.

Its because republicans have nothing to say and they have become accustomed to just stealing.

mccain flipped before he flopped
palin, the next gen of george bush republicans
a lie is only a lie if you stop repeating it - RNC

What - that they are not good at lying, while staring you in the eye as the repukes are?

I have to say that this is a very effective ad in that it reframes Obama’s convention speech.

I strongly disagree. This as has all the hallmarks of poor market focus. It's easy to create an ad like this that is applauded by your base and derided by your political foes. It's far more difficult to create an ad that moves the needle of independent non partisan voters.

The glaring defect in this ad is that independent and low information voters won't even recognize the cattle call of Democrats they're trying to compare Obama to.

Chris Dodd is not a well recognized face outside Connecticut. Harry Reid is better recognized, but he's only shown for an instant. I doubt a majority of independent non-partisans could recognize anyone in that ad other than Obama himself.

An Ad like this ad seems a lot more effective to political junkies (like us) than it actually is. The core message of this ad is likely to be completely lost on independents.

Of course, it's always good to see that the RNC wasting it's money so effectively.

Exactly! Although Chris Dodd due to his presidential run, might, I repeat might, be recognizable. But was that Byron Dorgin at the beginning? I have no clue who the first face was. Really, truly, no clue. If I, who considers herself a junkie (who will enter a 12-step program on Nov. 5) can't recognize all the faces...thus, the ad is "just more of the same".

But was that Byron Dorgin at the beginning? I have no clue who the first face was. Really, truly, no clue. If I, who considers herself a junkie (who will enter a 12-step program on Nov. 5) can't recognize all the faces...thus, the ad is "just more of the same".

Exactly! I'm not sure who that first face was either.

My guess is that this ad is a near complete waste of money. Anyone who can recolonize those faces already knows how they're going to vote.

But was that Byron Dorgin at the beginning? I have no clue who the first face was. Really, truly, no clue. If I, who considers herself a junkie (who will enter a 12-step program on Nov. 5) can't recognize all the faces...thus, the ad is "just more of the same".

Exactly! I'm not sure who that first face was either.

My guess is that this ad is a near complete waste of money. Anyone who can recolonize those faces already knows how they're going to vote.

This is an RNC ad. My gut feeling is this is an attempted twofer. Dorgin's up for re-election in 2010 in SD, and he was one of the few Democrats that caught some of the Abramoff shrapnel when he went down. I'm thinking this is the start of a big push by the RNC to target him negatively, and take his seat. Kinda like what they did with Daschle.

Agreed. The ad makes it look as though McCain is running for Senate Majority Leader instead of President.

Damn those democrats and their good, progressive ideas! DRILL NOW!

They poached Obama's "He just doesn't get it" line as well. There has to be an angle here we're missing.

Yeah, the childish angle.

I'm rubber and you're glue, what bounces off of me sticks to you!

or

I know you are but what am I. I know you are but what am I.......

I can't believe they have digressed this far. I never really knew what progressive was until this past week. The opposite of regressive.

Yeah. Everything about their ticket, their platform, their ideas smacks of regressive.

You are missing something, this is classic Rovian tactic - co opt the themes and language to give the appearance of little difference except for character.

I think the angle might be to echo the same criticisms to make them meaningless, and since they're not not going to talk the issues, folks will say "well, since they're both saying the same things, I might as well vote for the POW and the Super Mom"...

Exactly. That's what they're aiming for here.

Well, I guess this puts McCain's "who cares who gets credit for the ideas" line in some proper context.

do the Republicans have a single original idea in their heads, or do they just going to continue with the "I know you are, but what am I?" approach?

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No and Yes.

;)

I was just about to post the same thing. Every speech at their convention seemed to be based on playground taunts, and now they're going for "I'm rubber, you're glue." I have to think that however simple-minded the average American voter is, that tactic is going to get really old really quick.

There's just no way this is a winner. It numbs the brain they would try and put this argument out there. It's a good idea to never underestimate the general stupidity of the American voter, but I'm gonna have to assume most have an inclining that Obama isn't an agent of the status quo.

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The re-framing of this ad should be....

"More of the same lies from John McCain.

Obama provides a tax cut of $1000 for you compared to McCain's paltry $319 tax cut for you. That's real change.

McCain likes to brag about change.

Sorry to say, but that meager tax cut's not real change.

It's more of the same with John McCain. Another Bush third term."

McCain is offering you chump change.

That's not real change, that's pocket change.

Obama needs to take them on tax-wise. His plan is just better. McCains is ludicrous - not to mention that it'll get passed by a dem congress when Sarah Stalin flies out of his ass.

Sarah Stalin. PERFECT!

Seriously... Sarah Stalin. Thank you!!!

Don't forget, these are the same people that convinced a huge number of people that Global Warming is a myth even though it ran counter to every serious scientific study out there.

They are experts at clouding people's perceptions of reality.

This ad itself isn't particularly dangerous, but if this is a new direction of the McCain campaign, I think Obama should take it very seriously and combat it aggressively.

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YOu know what is wrong with what you just said?

It's like this: you cannot give adults excuses like: O they had me hypnotized! to get out of responsibility for their actions.

Think about it - that was what all the Germans said after the War -

I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying that's what they do. And it's worked in the past.

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I know that - I was going off on a philosophical tangent.

It's actually an ethical argument of some weight.

But nevermind - it's not necessary to deal with now.

Bwahahaha. Now that's funny!

Science “shimience”; what do we need that for; the world is 6000 yrs old and created in just seven days...

and do the majority of americans even know who those menacingly floating heads in the ad are?

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Ok, so the McCain campaign is just a bunch of plagiarizers. They need a brain transplant, stat!

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whoops, it looks like I wrote the same thing as dmso74 did above. Doh.

Kind of ironic, actually.

Was to be expected when you have the second convention: you take the first and flip it?

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I see they continue with the "higher taxes" message. That is the message that is really hurting Obama. It is also the message everybody seems to look right pats.

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"past" not "pats."

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Why is it all of you are posting and all I get is internal server error?

Tena -- after you get the server error, go BACK (

Works for me, anyway. (Using Safari and Firefox on Mac.)

I meant to say, after you get the error, go BACK to the article page, and then reload the page. You not need to reload. You should see your comment/reply.

It appears that the messages are being posted, but we are not given the common courtesy of reply.

Which can only mean one thing: the message servers are run by Sarah Palin!

cuz yer internal server is on the fritz

all the rest of us got working internal servers

see your doctor soon

(wink)

Is "higher taxes" really the problem Americans are most concerned about today?

It does work with the uninformed swing voters.

I give it a "meh."

In conversing with friends and such back in the Motherland (Michigan), many of whom had Bush/Cheney signs in their yards in 2004, are not comfortable with John McCain's a war for all problems. And it does not suprise me a bit, coming from MI, that all of them find Sarah Palin "uppity."

But what did them in was looking at McCain, 72, and the unqualified twinky, and common sense takes over: terrible judgement that presents too great a risk to take.

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It honestly should scare any grown-up to death, Marioth.
It honestly should.

Aye and indeed it should. As I get to know Sarah Palin, she has all the symptoms of a charismatic cult leader.

"Not about issues, about personalities" gives it all away.

That she "puts things out there" and then "rides the winner" is a governing style devoid of ethics, and serves only Sarah Palin.

Were she not Barbie, the nakedness of her positions would be revelaed.

Roger Simon and Michelle Bernard are on MSNBC now saying there is no way Sarah Palin can avoid the press. This is becoming an issue.

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Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

:)

I think I see where this is going.

McCain can't win with the "Change" argument, but he can try to neutralize it. The way to do this is confuse the electorate. This is a common Republican tactic. Create doubt and confusion about who's "changing" what, and then offer up something that is solid: Experience, Honor, Patriotism.

This is the battleground that this election will be won or lost. McCain is attempting to force the debate back to his strengths. Obama can not ignore this and needs to forcefully respond/attack McCain on this point.

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If they start saying Obama voted with Bush 90% of the time, I'll fall off my chair.

They've already used "he voted with Bush 50% of the time" in an ad. Seriously.

I haven't seen it since, so I imagine that one focus tested poorly.

This election has been effectively going on for so long, I posit that the only "undecided" voters left will be reached at the grassroots level.

These ads sway few, if any, and only reinforce preconceived notions and speak to the choir to promote enthusiasm.

McCain's ads, in particular, serve no purpose other than to make his supporters feel good about themselves. They contain no ideas or policy.

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I agree.

Outside our charmed circle, the country is fucking sick of this campaign - it's gone on too long. They go on too long.

I think we ought to pass laws cutting down the amount of time they can spend doing this - now everyone campaigns 365 of every year and nobody's working.

The Canadian PM is dissolving Parliament on Monday and will hold a national election on October 15th - a month and a week vs 19 months...

I've often wondered how our Congress would behave were the executive able to, say, dissolve the House?

Of course, that executive would have to be likewise dissolvable in something other than impeachment, like, say, the governing cohalition collapses. We would have been free of W in 2006 in that blessed universe.

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Question for someone who knows something about advertising: Do they test market political ads? In my head I see someone rounding up some undecideds for a couple bucks and showing them some video. But I'm pretty sure this doesn't happen, right?

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Will Obama have any ads to capitalize on all the ripe material the Republicans gave him at their convention? There were platefuls.

I'd love to see an Obama attack ad on a "first we say this, now they say it" ad.

From Iraq timetable, to Change, to all this nonsense.

Really show who is at the forefront of thinking, and who has yet to come up with an original idea.

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Come on, anyone who saw last week's Dem convention and has had the TV on once this season would see that the Republicans stole the change thing. This started with McCain's bullshit "That's not change we can believe in" mantra. That didn't work, so now we have this.

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For the last week, the Obama campaign has had one powerful argument against Palin after another drop into its lap, and to my knowledge neither it nor the DNC has gotten off its ass with any advertising designed to blow up the narrative that Palin (and by extension McCain) has any connection whatsoever to true reform. Meanwhile, the GOP has already run one ad featuring Palin on the attack, and now the RNC has produced this. The Obama campaign seems to live in a nice little fantasy world where high-minded press releases that nobody reads and off-the-cuff comments by Obama that nobody hears are sufficient to counter the crap that the GOP is spewing every day. Instead we get soft-focus ads on the economy with a lame cover of an old Sam Cooke song that nobody under 60 is familiar with. If Obama hangs on to win, it will be in spite of David Axelrod.

The McCain/RNC cabal are out of their FREAKING MINDS!
McCain = Bush - it really is that simple.

Is America that pathetic? I hope not.

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Repeat after me:

We Won in '06. No, Americans aren't that stupid.

It certainly seems that way. I look at Iowa where Obama is ahead by 15%, and Bush carried this state in 04. I look at the number of ways Obama can win, and it's clear McCain will be fighting in a very small space this Fall.

And how does Sarah Palin evaoperate Obama's money & ground games?

I would be much more worried if my reliably conservative friends were more reliably conservative. But there is a real "ick" factor there concerning Sarah Palin, and this will have to extend to McCain.

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I tell you one thing - I think it's a very encouraging sign that so many people tuned in to both speeches - McLame's and Obama's.

I like it that people went to the speeches to see what was going on and I love it that they saw a really dynamic individual with loads of good ideas for the future and who offers good feeling in the country again versus a very messed up old dude with a very messed up veep choice, no ideas, creepy staging, creepy people -

well, you get the idea.

The Democratic party has clearly grown up. Ousting King Bubbuh was so necessary to get there, and it exposed the Geraldine Ferraro Hypocricy that had crippled them for so long.

You really had an adult convention last week versus an adolescent popularity contest/klan rally of this week.

And I agree with you: it is so good for the country that the public has this interest.

As Obama reminds us: it's up to the People now.

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The Democratic party has clearly grown up.

That's it - it has. And the Repug Party, conversely, which used to look like grownups next to some of our errors, are now nothing more than a gang of twisted adolescents right out of Lord of the Flies.

And the best thing to do with frothing teenagers is to ignore them.

If Obama can stay focused, the color will soon run out of the Sarah Palin cartoon.

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Great way to put it - color run out of the cartoon - wish I'd said it.

And yeah it will - that's why I wish they'd let us talk to the woman they are trying to get us to vote into the vice presidency.

WHERE IS SARAH PALIN AND WHY CAN'T ANYONE TALK TO HER?

I don't think it is all that effective because they keep harping on taxes and liberalism.

Talk about a tired, wornout criticism that only appeals to GOP ideologues stuck in the 1980s. Seriously, if not for hating taxes, would the GOP even exist????

And putting up faces of other people misses the target. Obama and his allies??? Please.

Weak tea.

I agree. It's a really strange strategy. Right now Obama is underperforming a generic Democrat. So why in god's name would you want to attack him by linking him to . . . generic Democrats?

Between you and me, I'm not sure that the ad guys in the McCain shop are geniuses for all time.

I'd love to see an Obama attack ad on a "first we say this, now they say it" ad.

From Iraq timetable, to Change, to all this nonsense.

Really show who is at the forefront of thinking, and who has yet to come up with an original idea.

I agree that McCain is trying to muddle the CHANGE message Obama has crafted, banking on voters' inability to distinguish the two claims. But Obama's CHANGE branding has been so consistent and so polished and so disciplined, I seriously doubt anyone will confuse McCain's version of change with Obama's.

Obama = Change
Why?
B/c in addition to the branding efforts, he's also an African-American. Whether or not people are comfortable with that, a black man as president in America represents serious change.

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Watch out Mr. Bush! With the exception of economic policy and energy policy and social issues and tax policy and foreign policy and Supreme Court appointments and Rove-style politics, we're coming in to shake things up!

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This is too funny, but true!

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Watch out Mr. Bush! With the exception of economic policy and energy policy and social issues and tax policy and foreign policy and Supreme Court appointments and Rove-style politics, we're coming in to shake things up!

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This is too funny, but true!

Honesty and honor have no place in Republican politics.

'Brands' are very strong. Everything about Obama says change and that has been his steady brand for 19 months.

McCain's, heretofore, consistent brand has been experience. His attempting to now co-opt Obama's well established brand only serves to confuse McCain's. It will produce severe cognitive dissonance in voters this late in the contest.

That's a good point. I can't help but think that a certain number of people will just roll their eyes at it...

McCain is jealous of Obama. He wanted the "change" platform and he wanted the big crowds, and when he got neither he mocked Obama for them. You could say the same about the GOP base as well, they mocked Obama however are now head over heels for a candidate 99% of them wouldn't have ever heard of last Friday before noon.

Obama has been campaigning for 19 months, and was a national figure since his keynote speech in 2004. Sarah Palin has been a national figure for a week and the right is positively giddy about her - even if they know nothing about her.

The lot of them were pathetically envious.


I think this is extremely right. The obsession over Palin isn't about Palin. It's about jealousy over the obvious excitement on the Democratic side. In a sense, Palin is the rebound candidate for the Republicans, including the right-leaning media. It's an intense, superficial, and probably short-lived affair.

I don't think the Republican "copycat" ads will have as much heft to them compared with Obama's ads, because Obama's ads have the images to go with the "more of the same" message. There is no picture of Obama hugging Bush. There is no video of Obama publicly saying any of the dumb confessions that McCain occasionally blurts out, such as "I don't know much about economics" (that isn't the exact quote I'm thinking of, but a paraphrase as best I can remember). McCain has given so much photo and video that can be used against him, they can't equal that against Obama.

Yea, they want to shaek the 'more of the same' label because they know it's working. They want to 'try' to claim change because they know americans 'want' change. They are smart to try except there is no way after so much lying and abuse of power that the americans will sleep walk through this stuff. At least, I feel that there are enough of us that are awake enough to say

Enough!!

I think Obama should use some of his acceptance speech and end the ad with that moment when he said 'Enough'. I think that would be powerful.

It seems like McCain is betting that the average voter is a complete idiot. My fear is that he's right.

The "I know you are, but what am I?" strategy. Devastating!

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Since Obama has been running ads using "more of the same" for months, I doubt this will work.

I also think that the "celebrity" theme is all played out. >40 million people saw Obama's speech and how substantive it is, I doubt that will work this time. More and more people are getting to know Obama and they realize that he is incredibly intelligent.

What's even funnier about this ad is the boogeyman are these old white guys who the swing voters have no idea are.

Obama has the perfect boogeyman and that is President Bush.

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Since Obama has been running ads using "more of the same" for months, I doubt this will work.

I also think that the "celebrity" theme is all played out. >40 million people saw Obama's speech and how substantive it is, I doubt that will work this time. More and more people are getting to know Obama and they realize that he is incredibly intelligent.

What's even funnier about this ad is the boogeyman are these old white guys who the swing voters have no idea are.

Obama has the perfect boogeyman and that is President Bush.

This ad is ineffective because of the way it is structured. I see it that way because it uses the liberal lable and the video images will not tract with older voters and his message or brand is experience not change.

MSNBC is reporting that McCain's statement "Sarah Palin sold the previous governor's business jet on E-Bay, and she even made a profit!"

Not true, and he's on video.

The jet was put up for sale, but was getting no buyers. After almost 2 years, it was sold to a GOP operative, a businessman, and it was sold on a loss.

The question linering on the MSNBC set: how well does John McCain know Sarah Palin?

About as well as the America she's hiding from. If she's not ready, it's for us to decide, not Sarah Palin.

WHERE IS SHE?

I'm John McCain and the camera really shouldn't pan up my turkey neck.

ROFL

turkey neck...priceless...

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Well, the really weird thing about his turkey neck is that he ain't got no neck. At some angles, he looks like his head is a stuffed seed bag - like a scarecrow, or a mask that is looser around where the neck should be. Some pictures from that angle flat freak me out - it looks like his head is not real.

And this gets to the core of the "ick" factor I am seeing: McCain could keel over any day now and he picks THAT?

The beauty of this argument is that it sells itself. it's not complex foreign policy or how many people Sarah Palin schtupped over the years. It's god-given common sense (were there, of course, any "gods" to grant such things...).

Well, this demonstrates yet again that the GOP really doesn't have any new idea, right?

The heated Democratic primaries for 19 months can be of great help here. Thanks to the huge, sustained attention to the long race, Obama's running his campaign on his "change" message (as opposed to Hillary's "experience" campaign) is widely recognized and established. As long as they hit back quickly I don't think "more than 90% of the time" McCain can easily steal it.

And yes, Obama should focus on McCain, but they shouldn't underestimate Palin. She's still not fully defined, but clearly she is to be used to create a image of reform for the McCain campaign. Obama should not let them define her to their advantage -- she's nothing but corrupt, and that should be made known.

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Bush is FAR scarier than those old white men (Senators) being used in the McCain ads.

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Americans have some questions for Miss Sarah.

WHERE IS SARAH PALIN AND WHY CAN'T ANYONE TALK TO HER?

There was this moose twinky named Palin
Who's congregation this week was a-wail'in:
The Future I see
Is about Me Me ME!
Will soon face the fact she's worth jail'in.

Hehee hee, this failing on experience and desperately trying to grasp the change mantle worked really well in the primaries.. and Clinton's policies actually would have been different from Bush's.

John McCain. Ready to Follow on Day One.

I know I am biased but this ad sucks. It ties Obama to Senators people barely know? Lmao

Somehow seeing a bunch of gray faces labeled "liberal" next to Obama is just not the same as the image of John McCain hugging George W. Bush again and again and again and again.

A fair number of Americans know which political party was in charge of the government over the past eight years.

While Palin’s speech appealed to the right-wing base, McCain’s speech appealed to the Republican leaning Independents and Hillary Democrats who were frustrated with their respective parties. Whether we like her or not, she helped him in several ways which no other recent VP pick has helped any presidential candidate in the last 30 years.

1. Palin helped to energize the right-wing base
2. Palin helped to reinforce the ‘maverick’ image of McCain thus helped to separate him from unpopular GOP
3. Palin helped to attract some (not all) gender leaning Hillary Democrats
4. McCain & Palin are not country-club elitist republicans either

Along with these Palin’s positive help, the Democratic Party/Obama’s failure to do one of the following might have sealed the election in favor of McCain:

1. Not electing Hillary as Presidential nominee
2. Not selecting Hillary as VP nominee
3. Obama not embracing the Bill Clinton’s Presidency and his fiscal policies

As a former BC, AG and JK voter, I would have stuck with Obama if he has done atleast one of the above. While McCain speech may not be eloquent, he was sincere and apologetic for the current GOP administration. This would have gone very well with the Independents and Moderates like me from both the parties. Therefore, I am expecting a bigger bounce for McCain than even Palin. Judged from the viewership demographics of Palin & McCain’s speech, I think McCain-Palin will be leading by 7-8 points by Sept 11 and CALIFORNIA will be in PLAY at that time. A McCain/Palin blow-out is not out of the question

No one who agrees with what the Clintons stand for would vote for McCain.

The state polls would have to move a lot more than that.

Further, this isn't the sense I'm getting from my (until very recently) reliably conservative friends.

They look at John To Keel Over Any Minute McCain, and then look at this spectacularly unqualified twinky, and the dots are no longer connected for them. And then the message sinks in: vote for the GOP becasue we fucked it all up. This does not sell in south central lower Michigan (read, a drained swamp). And all of them consider the twinky "uppity."

All these folks had Bush/Cheney signs in their yards in 2004.

I predict the bounce will be small and short-lived.

i agree. McCain's balance is will be short-lived. Unfortunately, McCain is not able to top McCain even with a bounce.

Hee :) I know I should have sympathy for someone whose emotional investment in a single person was so deep that they developed a transient acute psychosis, but this was funny.

Oh Man....you're an idiot. My mother in law has voted Republican her entire life and she's APPALLED at McCain and Palin. She was embarrased that they let that pregnant girls "boyfriend" on stage. Even more than that, she was extremely demoralized at the racism of Guliani and Palin-and the whole Convention. Before the Palin selection she was going to vote McCain even though we tried to convince her it wasnt in our 5 yr old daughters best interest but, but she said she was going to anyway. After the Palin selection for VP she was in shock and thinks it was a TERRIBLE choice. FYI she's in her 60's and lives in Minnesota. SHe was never convinced that her party was being taken over by the religious right but now she's convinced. McCain as Maverick? Hardly. McCain as racist asshole is more like it.

Around 40 million people saw both conventions, and the contrast could not be more clear:

The Newly Minted Adult Party versus the Prom/Beauty Contest/Klan Rally.

You need to take the advice given by your screen name.

you think so, huh ???

guess you just ain't too bright

care to splain how Obama is up by 15 points in Iowa ???

the RNSC just pulled their ads in New Mexico, conceeding the airwaves to the Democrats

the RNSC pulled out of Virginia three weeks back

I live in California, and I ain't seen a single mcsame sign. And some of my neighbors, who have never voted before, paid 10 bucks to have an Obama sign in their yards

some young repuglitards were walking our street supporting their anti-homosexual proposition, and every single house had somebody laughing in their faces, or seriously telling them why they should piss off

still think Cali is in play ???

some people remain silent and are thought to be fools, and people like you open their mouths and remove all doubt

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RNSC pulled out of Virginia three weeks back

I was just reading about that. The Repug senator running for re-election has said there is no money - not in the RNC, not anywhere.

They're broke. Obama brought in $10 million in one night and day on Sarah Palin's speech.

to quote BunB: Money speaks for itself, so I don't have to say shit!

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RNSC pulled out of Virginia three weeks back

I was just reading about that. The Repug senator running for re-election has said there is no money - not in the RNC, not anywhere.

They're broke. Obama brought in $10 million in one night and day on Sarah Palin's speech.

to quote BunB: Money speaks for itself, so I don't have to say shit!

If you want to vote for McCain, it's because you want more of the same and agree with his policy positions. Don't use the excuse that 'they didn't name Hillary Veep, therefore the Palin pick convinced me to support McCain'. That's just a false excuse. The choice between Obama and Clinton was really one of shades of gray, nuances in positions. That works fine in a primary, but in the final race, now between Obama and McCain, the choices are stark, polar opposites. You are either for one or the other. Saying that the Palin choice, as a woman makes McCain somehow palatable to someone who was picking Clinton as their Democratic choice is making a choice based on alll the wrong points. McCain was, and is, the exact opposite of all Democratic party candidate positions. Putting a woman on his ticket doesn't change that, and in fact Palin is far to the right of McCain, and is not there to pander to voters as McCain tries to do, she is really hard right. Those people grouped as independents, are not necessarily undecided. They have just chosen to register as unaffiliated with a particular party. They probably have strong party identification and a history of choosing the candidates of that party each election. The McCain/Palin ticket is not going to swing that voter rightward based on the Palin choice unless they were already going to vote that way.

TalkSense,

Your analysis is completely bogus and fails to make its point, whatever that point maybe?


Are you a troll?

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Can I answer that?

Yes.

Yeah, the McCain camp is trying to steal all of the Obama camp's message. However, Americans think in terms of who the President is, and George Bush has pictures and video. Moreover, everybody who votes knows who George Bush is. It will be MUCH easier to tie McCain to Bush, than to tie Obama to whatever nebulous creation they are trying to tie him to.

TalkSense is either on glue or a comedic genius. 'California in play.' '7-8 point lead.' 'Blow-out.' That's gold! But I say glue.

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I think the "California in play" really does indicate glue.

I second your glue.

Obama should combat this higher taxes smear. There's a racial component to this. When people think of high taxes they equate that with the government taking their hard earned money to the undeserving.

I know I post this every day around this time, but please excuse me because I have to vent:

DAVID GREGORY IS A JACKASS!!!!

Thanks.

It's not even subtle.

In other news, up has become down.

Lol! The Republicans are playing a dangerous game if they believe they can run on the "change" narrative. It only shows desperation and further allows the Democrats to exploit the last 8 years even more.

If someone is stupid enough to give McSTUPID the change matle when he's been in washington for 26 yrs, then they are IDIOTS! This ad is not change... Obama is.

If someone is stupid enough to give McSTUPID the change matle when he's been in washington for 26 yrs, then they are IDIOTS! This ad is not change... Obama is.

Is that REALLY the road they want to take? LMAO when you don't have your own ideas...

What if someone in your small town of, say, *7800* decided to run for office but shunned the press and questions by folks? How far do you think they would get in local politics?

WHERE IS SARAH?

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I just have to say that I do love that particular picture of Miss Sarah that TPM has on the front page - the one with that damn fox collared coat. That coat was fashionable for one January in 1963 and that was the last time it was. That was the last time it should have been seen, too.


I would think that foxes involved believe it shouldn't have been fashionable even in that month.

Cheney with lipstick, indeed.

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O - here's a thought: Let's send Sarah and Uncle Dick on a hunting trip together!

Maybe she'll mistake him for a moose, and he'll mistake her for an aged lawyer, and they'll shoot each other!

So, if Obama is a "celebrity," what the hell is Sarah Palin?

If McCain wants to promote himself as an agent of change, I think we're entitled to ask why he's running as a Republican, since that's the party that has created the state of affairs he claims to want to change.

Will the McCain campaign come up with one original idea, policy position or political ad before this thing is over, as it stands now Obama is writing the script for both sides...

All we have to keep repeating is that "change in Washington with McCain will be as elusive as WMDs in Irak!"

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up is down. facts don't matter anymore.

thats why republicans will win.

i'm feeling more cynical about this campaign that at any time in the last 18 months...

iunderstand, but wait untill mccain can break the 44% mark for more than a day or two.

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Once again the GOP recycles its election game plan, and goes 'all in' with their tired and true tactic of muddying up the waters so as to turn it all into a he said/she said meme that the corporate media will fit nicely into there pre-fab narrative. This will of course fuel the cynicism in the voters minds and a pox on politics reaction which is what the GOP banks on in order to win elections (drive down voter turnout generally and ramp up its hardcore base).

This is part and parcel to the grossly negligent pick of Palin as V.P. (beyond the partisan GOTV effect for their base that is).

This is what they did to Kerry in even more explicit terms by attacking him on their candidates own biographical failings. Turning Kerry's military records vs. Bush's into a he said/she said stink-bomb throwing contest is a net win for them.

This is why you will see a total co-opt of Obama's narratives by McCain and the GOP, so that it becomes a back-and-forth tussle in charge/counter-charge. This in the hopes that it, like it did with Kerry in 2004, negate the gaping problems with their candidate, tarnish their opponent, suppress enthusiasm within the electorate and rally their hard-core (i..e demoralize Democratic turn-out and GOTV of their own base).

McCain did say he is the change candidate; change to everything Obama has been running on just with a maverick streak.

The problem is Obama's is a bit to well known; Palin will appeal to a narrow group, primarily folks who would not vote for Obama; and the character issue is the subtext that McCain will try to sell to moderates and independent voters. The central problem is most folks do not rate McCain's POW experience as he and supporters, as this fades and Palin's voice becomes more shallow so will his campaign.

A secondary aim is to get Obama & Co. to overreact or be distracted. I suspect McCain & Co. with the Rove folks will try all kinds of nonsense to confuse and limit the turnout; given 2004 and 2006 this is not likely to have much impact.

All of this will not stop or slow down the roll out of Obama field offices nationwide and the push by local candidates and associated groups nationwide.

Elements of the MSM are talking in generalities about these issues but will soon shift as the effect of the convention disappears. Those favorable or are GOP MSM folks are now suggesting that Palin is the ultimate game changer with a touch of the cultural wars; Palin's biggest problem is herself, her show is now stale. In short folks are tired of this kind of stuff and Palin will not change much of anything; their whole approach is based on various and disjointed long shots, McCain is a crap shooter. It is not worth the effort to figure out as it is not intended to make sense.

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Obama ad:

"Take away the lies, the unpatriotic attempts to divide Americans and the schoolyard taunts and insults, and what do you have?"

(Picture of McCain & Palin with crickets chirping in the backround.)

"Haven't we seen this show already? Didn't we wish we could have turned it off halfway through? Since when have re-runs been about change or new ideas?"

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Obama ad:

"Take away the lies, the unpatriotic attempts to divide Americans and the schoolyard taunts and insults, and what do you have?"

(Picture of McCain & Palin with crickets chirping in the backround.)

"Haven't we seen this show already? Didn't we wish we could have turned it off halfway through? Since when have re-runs been about change or new ideas?"

McCain did say he is the change candidate; change to everything Obama has been running on just with a maverick streak.

The problem is Obama's is a bit to well known; Palin will appeal to a narrow group, primarily folks who would not vote for Obama; and the character issue is the subtext that McCain will try to sell to moderates and independent voters. The central problem is most folks do not rate McCain's POW experience as he and supporters, as this fades and Palin's voice becomes more shallow so will his campaign.

A secondary aim is to get Obama & Co. to overreact or be distracted. I suspect McCain & Co. with the Rove folks will try all kinds of nonsense to confuse and limit the turnout; given 2004 and 2006 this is not likely to have much impact.

All of this will not stop or slow down the roll out of Obama field offices nationwide and the push by local candidates and associated groups nationwide.

Elements of the MSM are talking in generalities about these issues but will soon shift as the effect of the convention disappears. Those favorable or are GOP MSM folks are now suggesting that Palin is the ultimate game changer with a touch of the cultural wars; Palin's biggest problem is herself, her show is now stale. In short folks are tired of this kind of stuff and Palin will not change much of anything; their whole approach is based on various and disjointed long shots, McCain is a crap shooter. It is not worth the effort to figure out as it is not intended to make sense.

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Palin will get stale - fast. She's a one-trick pony.

Everyone was so damn stunned by the choice that of course she has generated all kinds of buzz. But that's not going to last because there is no there there - just a bundle of corruption, a snide, catty attitude and one of the worst speaking voices ever.

A line: Sometimes I Think We're Running Against Hop-A-Long-Cassidy...

McCain did say he is the change candidate; change to everything Obama has been running on just with a maverick streak.

The problem is Obama's is a bit to well known; Palin will appeal to a narrow group, primarily folks who would not vote for Obama; and the character issue is the subtext that McCain will try to sell to moderates and independent voters. The central problem is most folks do not rate McCain's POW experience as he and supporters, as this fades and Palin's voice becomes more shallow so will his campaign.

A secondary aim is to get Obama & Co. to overreact or be distracted. I suspect McCain & Co. with the Rove folks will try all kinds of nonsense to confuse and limit the turnout; given 2004 and 2006 this is not likely to have much impact.

All of this will not stop or slow down the roll out of Obama field offices nationwide and the push by local candidates and associated groups nationwide.

Elements of the MSM are talking in generalities about these issues but will soon shift as the effect of the convention disappears. Those favorable or are GOP MSM folks are now suggesting that Palin is the ultimate game changer with a touch of the cultural wars; Palin's biggest problem is herself, her show is now stale. In short folks are tired of this kind of stuff and Palin will not change much of anything; their whole approach is based on various and disjointed long shots, McCain is a crap shooter. It is not worth the effort to figure out as it is not intended to make sense.

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Obama ad:

"Take away the lies, the unpatriotic attempts to divide Americans and the schoolyard taunts and insults, and what do you have?"

(Picture of McCain & Palin with crickets chirping in the backround.)

"Haven't we seen this show already? Didn't we wish we could have turned it off halfway through? Since when have re-runs been about change or new ideas?"

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I'm really getting the sense that there are a ton of McCain ads out there and few (in number or variance) Obama ads. What the hell am I giving $ to if they're not going to get out there and advertise and play some offense?

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Where did you get that idea?

I was just seeing one add playing infrequently in the DC area leading up to the Convention, but since then, I've seen about 3 or 4 playing w/noticeably increased frequency.

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Obama ad:

"Take away the lies, the unpatriotic attempts to divide Americans and the schoolyard taunts and insults, and what do you have?"

(Picture of McCain & Palin with crickets chirping in the backround.)

"Haven't we seen this show already? Didn't we wish we could have turned it off halfway through? Since when have re-runs been about change or new ideas?"

P.S. Fix the goddamn comments!!!

I disagree
In 2002 2004 Democrats tried to coop Republicans security message
In the end people voted for republican message rather than faux republican message

if John McCain wants to run on the change message he will lose in the end.

This commercial is empty btw it is nothing

How can they complain about the Dems raising taxes when they are spending $12 billion a month on a needless war? Isn't it the taxpayers who will pick up the tab for their reckless spending? Even McCain acknowledges he doesn't recognize their fiscal irresponsibility.

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Republicans lie. Republicans steal. Republicans lie. Republicans steal. Republicans lie. Republicans steal. Republicans lie. Republicans steal. Republicans lie. Republicans steal. Republicans lie. Republicans steal.

This ad is the perfect example of both principles in action.

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Republicans lie. Republicans steal. Republicans lie. Republicans steal. Republicans lie. Republicans steal. Republicans lie. Republicans steal. Republicans lie. Republicans steal. Republicans lie. Republicans steal.

This ad is the perfect example of both principles in action.

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Republicans lie. Republicans steal. Republicans lie. Republicans steal. Republicans lie. Republicans steal. Republicans lie. Republicans steal. Republicans lie. Republicans steal. Republicans lie. Republicans steal.

This ad is the perfect example of both principles in action.

Well, at least this ought to preempt their planned hitjob on Biden over his 1988 plagiarism of Kinnock. At least it would if Republicans had any aversion to hypocrisy...