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New Obama Ad On McCain's Reformer Image: "Wait A Second"
The Obama campaign has this new ad running in key swing states, going after John McCain's attempts to cast himself as a reformer despite the fact that his campaign is run by Washington lobbyists:
"If seven of McCain's top advisors are lobbyists," the announcer warns, "who do you think will run his White House?"
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Typo in the headline.
September 13, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, having watched it, if that's a McCain ad, I'm hoping they spend all their money on it.
September 13, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops.
The error has been fixed.
I don't know how I could have confused this with a McCain ad in the header. First of all, this ad is true.
September 13, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well that is a good way to tell the difference between a Obama ad and a McCain ad. If there isnt a lie in it then it cant be a McCain ad.
September 13, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dead giveaway, that.
September 13, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
the typo should be the word "new", I feel like I have already seen this ad before.
New Obama Ad, “The McCain Gamble”
September 13, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The ad is still good but not hard hitting enough. What these ads should do is how the McCain policies will plunge us deeper into the hell-hole created by the Shrub. The ads should paint in no uncertain terms the bad policies of McCain and how they will hurt individuals in terms that they can understand.
How about ads like:
"How will your children get an education if McCain had his way and abolished the Department of Education?"
September 14, 2008 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure I saw this ad today on CNN. So it's either running nationally or on New York City cable.
September 13, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Definitely running in the KC, MO market (local channels).
September 13, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
running in michigan too, and this ad definitely isn't new
Racially Biased Alert: Whitlock and DeMoss
September 14, 2008 12:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like it.
Particularly Bush-McCain at the end.
Oh, and if this is a McCain ad, then his campaign has well and truly gone over a cliff.
: )
September 13, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
A great example of what I was telling you in the previous thread. Let's not talk to voters WHY Obama is better, let's talk about why McCain is bad.
September 13, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because McCain talking about how bad Obama is has gone disastrously!
September 13, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wasn't sure Obama has time to do that kind of catching up you are implying. But everyone tells me I'm always wrong, so I'll assume you're right.
He can start selling his message sometime around October 30 then.
September 13, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
What issue you got?
Squat !!!
Mud is your only hope.
But Obama is strong and you are a squealing weakling.
I laugh at your squirming....
September 13, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ooooooh... I love your hat! Can I touch it, sweetie?
September 13, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dammit, Mr. Hat. Quit flirting with that guy while I've got my hand up your butt!
Besides, you don't want that hat. It's an ORTHOPEDIC HAT. It's for fixing that dumb head it's on. Sheesh.
September 13, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed!
September 13, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Trying to talk politics with republicans is like trying to actually put lipstick on a pig. Take all logic out, and you can start from there. Up is down, when repubes do it it is good, when we do it it is bad, dumb is good, smart is bad, mccain vietnam good, kerry vietnam bad, university of idaho good, harvard bad, McCain sex affairs don't matter, obama sex ed does matter etc etc etc. You just go in circles.
Now Laylow is saying if we do it is bad, but they can do it all day everyday with no repercussions.
Any one ever try teaching an elderly person to use a laptop who has never even used a regular computer? It is a very similar situation.
September 13, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
that's because you and them are doing the same thing with a different purpose. that makes all the difference.
September 13, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's part of campaigning, but we feel your trollery.
September 13, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is this ad really new?
Didn't we have a thread on it a few days ago?
In any event, I think it's a good ad.
September 13, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, that's a pretty good ad. Not VERY good, but good enough. And I hope Obama continues with ads LIKE this. By that I mean, video of McCain making a statement, and then "wait a second". That hits home very well.
September 13, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eric - 65% of people in this thread think there is a typo in the headline.
(You gotta speak to him in terms he understands.)
September 13, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you need to include the margin of error...so he can at least ignore it.
September 13, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn, that theres funnay...
September 13, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3ijYVyhnn0
To the barricades!!
September 13, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Use active voice not passive. Stop asking us questions. We want to be led.
TELL US who will run his white house. TELL US McCain wines & dines with crooked lobbyists and was a member of the Keating Five and that Palin is an earmarker.
We don't want details. We want you to tell us facts, and be told to follow you.
Humans only jump on the strong horse. The Obama horse still looks weak.
September 13, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
TELL US who will run his white house. Don't ask. People want to be led. SO LEAD BARACK! Use active voice, not the passive voice.
People only jump on the strong horse, and right now, Obama's horse still looks weak.
1. "ENOUGH!"
2. "Let's throw the bums out!"
3. "Obama/Biden = Steady Change!"
September 13, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for double post. Thought first attempt died in the series of tubes...
Anwyay, I agree with Schmedley. This is TYPICAL DEMOCRAT crap. LEAD! FIGHT! You built the coalition, now lead it in attacking the forces that have ruined this country. You're wasting time, and losing the election.
This ad is like Steve Urkel (www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TY1wgQvf_U) or Screech (www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtdxt--qQX8) coming up with a snappy insult the next day after getting an atomic wedgie from the school bully. Too little, too late, and weak, weak, weak.
"Try not! DO!" -- Yoda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns8dq45wK7A
September 13, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for double post. Thought first attempt died in the series of tubes...
Anwyay, I agree with Schmedley. This is TYPICAL DEMOCRAT crap. LEAD! FIGHT! You built the coalition, now lead it in attacking the forces that have ruined this country. You're wasting time, and losing the election.
This ad is like Steve Urkel (www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TY1wgQvf_U) or Screech (www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtdxt--qQX8) coming up with a snappy insult the next day after getting an atomic wedgie from the school bully. Too little, too late, and weak, weak, weak.
"Try not! DO!" -- Yoda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns8dq45wK7A
September 13, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't help what makes you think you know more about campaigning than Obama and his staff. I not only think the ad is brilliant in it's directness. I think every one of your citicisms is off-base.
Especially your objection to the question. That's a strong way of involving the viewer's mind in the issue.
September 13, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
DirkVA: I don't claim to know more about campaigning than anyone. But I know what I like, and I'm offering an opinion.
I'm white, male, working class, poor, saddened/shocked at the state of our country (in all respects), and sick of & disgusted with wimpy Democrats. But I support Democrats til the last dog dies, despite their many, many failures. Always have, always will. Now I want them to fight like we've asked them to and empowered them to do (they didn't fight in Congress since 2006, and they have lower approvals than Bush...).
What I'm saying is: I'm done with losing!
1) One point where I think I am right (not off-base as you suggest) is that "ENOUGH!" was Obama's best message from the convention speech pivot (Michael Moore points that out in the clip below (Min 0:35 - youtube.com/watch?v=ny8VuQitr2Y)). I haven't heard it since. It's not in ads that I've seen. I've heard a lot of the passive voice instead, and Josh Marshall's front page has continuously said this is a losing way to frame the argument. I agree.
"They're just more of the same..." sounds like Eeyore to me.
2) I question the wisdom of only "involving the viewer's mind" in a race for President. My opinion is that politics is visceral, not cerebral.
September 13, 2008 11:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
To be clear: I mention the demographics of "white, male, working class, poor..." to point out that Democrats haven't won white males in decades and Obama needs the working class to come out in droves to throw the bums out. Middle of the road males make up a huge chunk of "Reagan Democrats" and they listen to a ton of talk & sports radio. Talk & Sports radio is creaming Obama now just like Kerry & Gore. They ridiculed him, but they respected and feared Clinton; they hated that he stuck a finger in their eye, but there was respect.
A few real right hooks decimating McCain for being weak, and afraid to come out from behind his VP's skirt (as Frank Rich suggests today), is a good start in my book. Like JF Kerry 2 weeks ago, Obama needs to attack McCain for being 2 FACE. Senator McCain vs. Candidate McCain. Solidly slam his shifting personality, and people will eventually be uneasy with him, while Obama looks stronger by comparison.
Again, this is all IMHO.
PS - Peace out DirkVA; Cool new pic; I wish it was summer still.
September 14, 2008 12:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is "more of the same" milquetoast crap that Obama's crew sees as an "attack." If you want to attack McCain, you need to attack his perceived strengths. The words honor, integrity, and honesty need to be juxtaposed with McCain's actual words and deeds.
McCain is going for blood. Obama's ankle biting is not a good counter attack.
September 13, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think the Obama campaign can do a full out assault on McCain's "integrity" just yet.
You know how Obama has been saying, for some time now, that people just have to get to know him? And that it takes time?
People feel that they already know the maverick straight talkin' John McCain. If Obama does a full out attack on his "integrity", it will be dismissed out of hand by voters as being "too negative". Introducing the shell that is the real John McCain has to be done gradually for it to take hold.
My two cents.
September 13, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Americans don't do subtle. Consider the popular culture. Any subtlty, nuance, or even intelligence winning the ratings lately?
September 13, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that Americans don't do subtle.
But Americans still think McCain is a saint, and if you are perceived as attacking a saint, you lose, not the saint.
So maybe you have to start off with a little subtlety before moving on to a more direct approach.
September 13, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree, but let's leave it at that.
September 13, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
(Please forgive me if this shows up as a dup: unforced error on my part)
I disagree, but I guess we should just leave it at that.
September 13, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Americans don't do subtle. Consider the popular culture. Any subtlty, nuance, or even intelligence winning the ratings lately?
September 13, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
CT VOTER: Attack also means framing the debate in your terms. We don't have to call him names. We have to make him answer for the destruction of the last 8 years.
"Hey, John McCain, I demand that you explain how you let your party...
--cowtow to oil execs;
--spurn alternative energy;
--destroy the mortgage industry;
--allow the financial meltdown;
--sleep while we were attacked on 9/11;
--depleted the military & impaired readiness..."
September 13, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
CT VOTER: Attack also means framing the debate in your terms. We don't have to call him names. We have to make him answer for the destruction of the last 8 years.
"Hey, John McCain, I demand that you explain how you let your party...
--cowtow to oil execs;
--spurn alternative energy;
--destroy the mortgage industry;
--allow the financial meltdown;
--sleep while we were attacked on 9/11;
--depleted the military & impaired readiness..."
September 13, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
that's a very good point.
seems like obama's letting mccain redefine his own image--the latest attacks look like they'll have more impact longterm on mccain than they will on obama, and obama is using his responses to direct the attacks back to mccain's character, consistently.
I think it's a risky strategy, but it could be devastating to mccain in a few weeks.
September 13, 2008 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm gonna keep posting this until it stops ending up on dead threads:
From Josh's link to ProPublica on the front page:
Peter Feldman, a spokesman for the McCain campaign, did not respond directly to questions about whether Palin was aware that the project had begun anew or that $73 million in federal funds had been set aside for it. "The fact is that once Governor Palin was elected and had an opportunity to look closely at the project, she killed it," he said in an e-mailed statement. "She fought for Congress to kill the provision, but they sent the funds anyway. Palin fired the kill shot by not using a dime of that money on the bridge."
Note to Josh: since your site is called Talking Points Memo, how about posting this talking point on the front page, so that hopefully the next person who has contact with the McCain campaign or any of Palin's spokespeople will know what question to ask: exactly how did Palin "fight for Congress to kill the provision"?
I mean, come the fuck on. They keep recycling these same weak ass claims. Palin says "I told Congress, thanks but no thanks." Really? How, exactly, did Sarah Palin communicate her opposition to the bridge to Congress? With a memo? A letter? Phone calls? Press conferences?
Please, please, please someone ask the RIGHT FREAKIN' QUESTION. Make her present the documentary evidence that she did what she and they continue to claim that she did. Make them put up or shut up.
Do any of the rest of you see why this is the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION to ask on this topic? Seriously, where's her wiggle room if she's finally asked to put up or shut up? And why the hell isn't anyone in a position to speak directly to the campaign smart enough to figure out this is what needs to be asked?
You want a true moose in the headlights question? This is the one.
September 13, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, what if you sent it to Gwen Ifill?
September 13, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I totally agree.
September 13, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
She communicated through her bathroom mirror.
September 13, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
This ad needs that record-scratching noise right at the "wait a second". It would be more ear-catching.
September 13, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was thinking the same thing.
September 13, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. That's what's missing.
Why is it still so difficult to post?
September 13, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good ad. Take him on the integrity issue hard from here on. Palin proved to be a distraction that backfired and she will be taken care of in the dabates. The honor-integrity theme is a winning narrative. Keep on.
September 13, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please, please, please someone ask the RIGHT FREAKIN' QUESTION!
Oh, I could not agree more.
And now we know why we won't see her this Sunday, either. It's an outrage, especially since the questions are piling up much faster than the answers, many of which are clearly lies.
Will America wake up?
I give it 50-50.
September 13, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you are right on the 50/50 odds. Americans haven't woken up in the past almost 40 years, so I'll take 50/50 any day.
September 13, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the Pants On Fire meme sticks, I would bump it up to 60-40 in favor of the Dems.
Folks don't cotten to liars, even (alleged) war heros and (alleged) "christians."
September 13, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd agree with your observation if I haven't witnessed what has gone on since the 1980 election. The republicans have lied about everything from the welfare queen and trickle down economics of the 80's through the battle of civilizations and war on over a billion people of the last 8 years. Americans keep buying it and I just don't understand why. I guess I am just stupid because I see the lies and in the last election over 50 million people that voted for the king didn't.
I listened to snippets of rambo's interview with chuckles and I just don't get it. Are we the only ones that sees how unbelievable it is that this buffoon was even on the radar screen? How is that possible?
September 13, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
King Bubbuh & Jane were unseated and their entitled party broken open by a long series of Macaca Moments during the primaries, reporting not possible in previous cycles.
The same Eye is now looking at McCain and sees a Liar.
Still, it remains an opportunity to be seized. It's so fucking simple I cannot really believe McCain is still standing. Lies inevitably lead to cover-up.
How this all affects Obama's ground machine is unclear, but I'd say "not much."
September 13, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but king bubbah and jane were able to con millions of dems to vote for them even though they lost the primary in february. They should have been toast in february and they kept lying through june and the right-wing corporate gasbags got on board with the lies. And any questioning of the lies was rejected with claims of sexism. And on top of it, there are a ton of people that still believe king bubbah and jane's lies. That is the problem.
I do agree that I can't understand why mcbush is still standing. It defies logic.
September 13, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
1) Are the lies something people want to hear?
2) Do the lies fit into a common narrative?
3) Can doubt be cast on the people telling the truth?
4) How many other people are willing to believe the lie?
Conversely, some of the tricks to truth-telling in politics are:
1) If it's a truth that people would rather not hear, you need to find a way to make it more palatable. For instance, convince them that they're brave to face the truth.
2) Build a narrative that people are willing to hear, then tell the truths that fit into it.
3) Tell as few lies of your own as you possibly can.
4) Get as many people as you can to repeat the truth.
September 13, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
The magic of the Macaca Moment is it cuts through much of the need to set a narrative.
That being said, there now needs to be a great hammering home of the connection between the lies of McCain and the lies of Bush.
The cry of "liar!" is very effective. It needs to come out of the box, big-time. Lies leading to cover-ups have a nasty habit of becoming a life of their own, e.g. Watergate and Monica.
But we have not seen that in a long while in American federal politics where the status-quo narrative has never come under serious assault.
September 13, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
or let people know that the liar that they believe used to be honorable. and used to be trustworthy, but that he changed. they weren't wrong, we were ALL misled by him.
it takes a while for people to pivot-- I used to get really incensed when obama would praise mccain for his service and call him honorable, but now it looks like it was a setup all along. (unless he starts doing it again...)
September 13, 2008 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've seen this ad and what gets me every time is the at the start when McLame swings his arms forward. For some reason it gets me. He never looks quite right to me - he looks like a puppet for real.
September 13, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Horrible by itself. May be a worthwhile piece in a more comprehensive strategy.
September 13, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, I finally got a post through. Unbelievable.
I'll try again. This op-ed is short, simple and on point. The question is will americans pay attention? Marioth thinks there is a chance. I hope so. I still can't f'n believe what is going on in the republican party. It is totally devoid of reality. I really don't know what they are on, but they should share the secret so that we can all be delusional and living in fantasy land. It must be some good stuff.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/opinion/13sat1.html?hp
September 13, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
We observe the symptoms of denial brought on by chronic magic-thinking, the elevation of the Self to (at least) half-divine, and the disconnection from demonstrable reality that results.
In short, "kooky culties."
Problem is, the country's crammed full of 'em, many of them heavily armed.
Brain studies suggest individuals prone to divine aspirations have wiring issues that prevent one from remembering the source of certain memories. So, for the sake of continuity, the brain does what it does so well.
It makes it up.
Pax,
M.
September 13, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link. I'm glad the MSM has finally pulled itself together. Hopefully the dominoes will start to fall......
September 13, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good but the Obama campaign needs more of these type of ads. Where is Moveon.org and the other Demo PACs ?
Karl Rove and his students are running this presidential campaign just like the last two and they will use every card in their deck. Where is James Carville, he knows how to play in the junk yard with these dogs?
"Never underestimate our ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory." - former Clinton staffer about the Democratic Party
September 13, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Scary Palin is Clarence Thomas, dressed in frumpy, frozen tundra chic.
September 13, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good but the Obama campaign needs more of these type of ads. Where is Moveon.org and the other Demo PACs ?
Karl Rove and his students are running this presidential campaign just like the last two and they will use every card in their deck. Where is James Carville, he knows how to play in the junk yard with these dogs?
"Never underestimate our ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory." - former Clinton staffer about the Democratic Party
September 13, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, observer -
http://punditkitchen.com/2008/09/05/political-pictures-barack-obama-chill-out-got-this/
Really - do.
;)
September 13, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I LOVE THAT PICT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:)
September 13, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd have more faith in it if it had come in my email from the Obama campaign. Perhaps this ad is the opening salvo to something that shows he's really got it covered.
September 13, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
But Schmedley - you have to be Jonze in another guise the way you post - you're always disappointed. You're never satisfied.
Obama couldn't please you if he started shitting gold coins.
September 13, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
thank parisblues - I got the link from him.
;)
September 13, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
There was a similar ad that had just one shot of the lobbyists. Drawing three out individually made me pay closer attention on this one.
September 13, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
ABOUT FRICKING TIME!!!
I was wondering if they were ever going to do it.
We need more of this, also one where McCain doesn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia.
And with the lies recently, I think Obama should do a face-to-camera where he uses the "L" word about McCain. That would get the pundit attention back on him where it needs to be.
September 13, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
ABOUT FRICKING TIME!!!
I was wondering if they were ever going to do it.
We need more of this, also one where McCain doesn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia.
And with the lies recently, I think Obama should do a face-to-camera where he uses the "L" word about McCain. That would get the pundit attention back on him where it needs to be.
September 13, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
ABOUT FRICKING TIME!!!
I was wondering if they were ever going to do it.
We need more of this, also one where McCain doesn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia.
And with the lies recently, I think Obama should do a face-to-camera where he uses the "L" word about McCain. That would get the pundit attention back on him where it needs to be.
September 13, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
this ad is a good start but is misses. Now say something like where will Republicans find new people to make changes. As a nation, We can not afford the same old republican insiders and their friends to watch over the failure of Banks, Regulate the environment, improve contractor oversight, live up to the dream of Justice for all. We need Barak Obmama and the new democratic team to make sure the Corrupt, discredited, and failed policy people who president George Bush brought to Washington leave government. Only by having a democrat elected president will there be real change because new people will be brought in to make the decisions.
The Democratic presidential campaign needs to make a systematic argument that even if McCain-Palin might bring change. They do not have the people available, because it is the same gang of advisors who currently advise and lobby Pres. Bush who are moving McCain Palin forward. And that is the problem.
Secondly the democrats need to take a page from social science research which is argue the gut reaction first then do the policy. And keep it simple.
Show someone loosing a home to forclosure
show former sen. Gramm and the bankers who support the republicans. Who will the Republicans turn to to solve this mess. With Obama it will be new people not connected with the current Bush Adminstration who have ties to the banks that made the mess. New people will make decisions for average americans.
Show a factory closing and the jobs moving to overseas. Show just the one advsior to McCain and his links to foreign companies, and Romneys Bain Capital moving factorys to Asia. Talk about tax breaks for doing this export of jobs and who will the republicans turn to to solve this mess. With Obama new people not connected with the Bush Adminstration will make dicisions.
Show a Emergency room, long waiting times. Show McCain campaigns connection to Drug, and for profit healthcare, insurance by his advisors. How will McCain and these advisors fix health care if they are beholden the status quo. Only with a clean break with the current adminstration by changing the people who make decisions will we cause changes to improve the health care system.
Same again for energy.
Democrats need to show that McCain is the same, but more focused issue by issue much more simply and to the point.
September 13, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you get paid big bucks for all that know-how.
[rolls eyes]
Personally, I think Obama and Plouffe have run the best damn campaign I've ever seen.
September 13, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aye and indeed. One gets the sense the Country is being led kicking and screaming towards governance, with the GOP really pulling the Grand Mal of all Temper Tantrums.
And it's not being led there by McLiar.
September 13, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oooh. I like that. I'm going to use:
mcLiar
and
Lady mcLiar
September 13, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the other hand, how about Lady McDeath?
Ariel shooting of wolves. Opposes polar bears.
View the war as a "mission" - from God.
September 13, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
A new NY Times piece on how Palin governs: If you like Bush's cronyism, secrecy, and punishment of critics, you'll love her!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?hp=&pagewanted=print
September 13, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Csn we say "You're doing a heck of a job Brownie."
September 13, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now THAT is scary! This woman is not just WORSE than W. She is WAY WORSE! Had designs on the presidency, she did! And without bothering to even keep up with national/international issues! Scary! A total demagogue!
September 13, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
This has been a fascinating campaign. And more and more I am convinced that they have this so well planned out, that when things need to pivot they understand it takes people a while. You can't just batter them over the head. You need to lead them along, get them to the point where they put things together for themselves, draw their own conclusions. We don't really want propaganda of the repub type - the type where it comes from the top and you treat people like robots. We want people to think. It takes time to lay the groundwork. And honestly I think we and they have been doing a super job of laying that ground work. The lying meme. Now the lobbying meme. They lie. They are bought and paid for. Fits together nicely.
And honestly, I see a very subtle strategy here, which, for me, works as a psychologist. If people change their own minds, that is a very committed voter! But propaganda is like blowing with the wind.
I say keep laying the facts out there. Insist the press does its job. Demand that! And let things simmer. Lying. Lying. Crying (wolf). Bought and paid for. Let those thoughts simmer, till people really "get" it. And the ads are bringing them along.
I truly think this campaign is a thing of genius! It brings people in. It treats them like adults. It maintains honor. And it's given mcSham and Lady mcSham ample rope to hang themselves with. And they've done so!
Patience. Simmering. Then WHAM!
September 13, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thera - you know that Obama quote I've used - "You have to earn the presidency, it shouldn't be a cakewalk"?
He said in that same interview the same thing you're saying - he said it takes people awhile to digest the information and to make up their minds and in affect, you can't just jerk them here and there.
I think you are very right. It's always has been a long-term strategy and that's where both Hillary and especially McLame, have been so weak and have failed. They didn't have a long-term strategy - either one of them.
September 13, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Correct. And it's a strategy to pull in the most people. But not pissing people off. But treating them with respect.
Very important that we be ready to welcome people who may have been repubs or leaning repub... once the scales fall from their eyes. Nothing like someone who's been jilted! Anger up the wazoo! And a convert is fervent! I want fervor here! But I want it to come freely. Not ginned up from propaganda.
September 13, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
All those people who won't decide (no matter what ads one runs) until the last two weeks of the campaign.
September 13, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I went to see Obama in Manchester and he was hitting McCain hard. He stopped short of the liar label, calling statements "untruths." I felt like screaming out Lies! Call them Lies! But he was fantastic and the crowd was all fired up and ready to go! Then I get home and see that McFart has said that Obama has "sunk to a new low" in his speech today. More lies from McFart.
September 13, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, do you have a sense of how NH is going to go this year. It seems that lately Obama has taken NH back from McCain.
September 13, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry to reply so much later. I had to care for my family. I feel it will be close in N.H. Just like in the primaries, I fear that there are closet racists who say they will vote for Obama, but are gonna do wrong in the voting booth. But we are making the calls, and fighting the good fight. The area has so many pockets of ignorant republican types it's scary.
September 14, 2008 6:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
And Obama Camp Response:
"We will take no lectures from John McCain, who is cynically running the sleaziest and least honorable campaign in modern presidential campaign history," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton. "His discredited ads with disgusting lies are running all over the country today. He runs a campaign not worthy of the office his is seeking."
September 13, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Sleaziest"-I like it.
September 13, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Forget connecting Bush to McCain, when people hear the word "McCain" the first word that needs to come to mind is "sleaziest."
September 13, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup... wants the perverts near the kids, he does!
September 13, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally love your avatar!
September 13, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Henry Blake and the first couple seasons of M*A*S*H rock. Thanks.
September 13, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Probably the best way to watch this election from here on out is from the swamp with a very dry martini from the still.
September 13, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Henry Blake/Radar '08!
September 13, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
O I love that - just tell us what you think, Burton!
Goddamn right it's the sleaziest in modern history - it's just disgusting.
September 13, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's not going to get away with it. The footage doth pile up. The headline will be:
McCain Maimed by Macaca Moments
September 13, 2008 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
The line I like from NH:
"They're going to talk about pigs, and they're going to talk about lipstick; they're going to talk about Paris Hilton, they're going to talk about Britney Spears. They will try to distort my record, and they will try to undermine your trust in what the Democrats intend to do."
Enough.
September 13, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, that's taking back the control! He's predicting their behavior now!!! What a great way to shape the narrative.
Man's a genius!
September 13, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
And all McCain says in response is to blame Obama for not doing the ten townhall meetings.
September 13, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I say, if it's not a LIE, then it's a CRY (of wolf).
That's all they have!
September 13, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
And in this bizarre campaign, it was The View that drove this home to America. Go figure.
September 13, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it has to be women who do the heavy lifting here. Especially with this spit in the eye of a VP candidate!
September 13, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's hard to CRY sexism when its Barbara Walters on the attack. (I definitely have a new found respect for her.)
September 13, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you want a snapshot of the progress the Obama campaign is making, as subtle as it may be, consider the fact that it was only a couple of weeks ago that we were all calling on the campaign and the press to call out McCain for his LIES. Not misstatements, not distortions, not misleading, but LIES.
Now here we are. The word "lie" is being used frequently in association with the McCain campaign, and especially their claims about Palin's record. And not just by the Obama campaign.
This is NOT good news for the McCain campaign. People do not know or care what Palin did or did not do regarding the "Bridge to Nowhere". They don't care what McCain actually said or didn't say regarding Obama's record.
But if the they hear the word "lie" associated with the McCain campaign over and over, and they hear that McCain's statement are under constant scrutiny and question, people will understand it. The details don't matter.
Obama can not single handily convince the electorate that McCain is not an honest or honorable person. He needs the media's support, and it appears that he is starting to get it.
It has become apparent to me how serious Obama was when he said that this won't be easy. He's right, it won't be. It will take discipline, patience, and grace to swing the public's perception of McCain away from the "honorable maverick" to the "unscrupulous politician".
September 13, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well said. Obama would lose if he went into the gutter with McCain, but in the battle for the 8% to 10% that are undecided, this long-range view, coupled with the discipline-patience-grace approach will in edge out the sleazy this year.
September 13, 2008 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Spot-on, and thank you. McCain could have made it much harder for Obama to win this election. He could have chosen Tom Ridge. He could have created a broad cohalition by letting go of a tiny number of "beliefs."
He could have told the truth. But you are 100% correct that the lie meme is toxic, not only for the lie, but for the cover-ups to which it inevitably leads.
September 13, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ridge was the one I truly worried about because it would have given PA to McCain, and probably OH. I think when we all look back after Obama wins, the decision to go Palin rather than Ridge will be seen as the critical misstep.
September 13, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Completely. Ridge would have been the honorable pick. We gave it our political best, and maybe we win, maybe we don't, but Tom Ridge would have kept it elevated above where it went after St.Paul. You are right: PA and OH would have been very tough to get.
Now, PA's all but in the bag, and we'll see how Ohioans like being lied to, to their faces, for ANOTHER four years.
The McCain campaign will soon become a five-car collision.
September 13, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
With Obama telling Biden as they pass by the wreckage on the highway to the WH, "don't look, nothing to see" and Biden replying "I can't help myself, it's just so...right."
September 13, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree about Ridge: Gov., H.S. Director, etc. Would've been hard for Obama to beat the "security" theme, but, Palin? Sheeesh...she's like an effing pinata full of crap thats just waiting to be beat open. Will the MSMS do the beating??? Maybe...
Two fronts: McCain lying, but most important:
The fierce urgency of NOW and concretely telling folks how Obama will keep them safe and put $ in their pockets...
September 13, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was betting on Ridge on the last moment. The old man wanted Lieberman but the GOP would never accepted, he didn't trusted Romney and Pawlenty was a saddening bore of a candidate. Ridge could it put PA seriously on play but then, he just dropped the bomb and you know the rest of the story...
September 13, 2008 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena, McCain suffers from "SIS". Short Arm Syndrome.
September 13, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Had the Great Lord Thy God not intended for Man to masturbate, he would have made the arms shorter. -- George Carlin
September 13, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are one sick bitch lady.
September 13, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
The last time a president lied, more than 4000 Americans lost their lives and thousands more are still in the line of fire, ENOUGH!!
September 13, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain/Palin will make us wax nostalgic for the restraint of Bush/Cheney
September 13, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another lie:
Sarah Palin did not visit troops in Iraq, a spokesperson for the Republican vice presidential nominee confirmed Saturday, as new details emerged about the extent of the Alaska governor's foreign travel.
September 13, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
This Washington Post article covers that:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/13/report_palin_did_not_visit_ira.html
The best part was the Obama camp response:
"The McCain campaign said Governor Palin opposed the Bridge to Nowhere, but now we know she supported it. They said she didn't seek earmarks, but now we know she hired a lobbyist to get millions in pork for her town and her state. They said she visited Iraq, but today we learned that she only stopped at the border. Americans are starting to wonder, is there anything the McCain campaign isn't lying about?"
This is getting better and better...
September 13, 2008 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time to put the pedal to the metal.
September 13, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Watching football and Obama's ad with him addressing the camera about what change really means. Seen in context (ie the tv watcher who is just kind of staring at the screen) it is actually pretty effective: short, to the point, and hard to argue with.
September 13, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
NYT has a very insightful piece on Palins rise to power in Alaska.
Filled with vendettas, intimidation and cronyism the Palin style mirrors that of George W. Bush. Her lack of depth when it comes to policy, which appears to still exist today just on a national scale, was apparent as she ran for governor.
Palin railed against the existing corrupt political machine that was in place creating bogeymen, and straw men, to create an image of a reformer.
Once in the governors office she installed her own political machine that was filled with cronies, high school classmates being her favorite pool of talent. She even created a "special assistant" position for herself as governor. That persons only responsibility it appeared was to provide babysitting to Palins children.
She had little interest in the legislative process, and rarely responding to issues of localities. It lead legislators to begin wearing buttons that said "wheres Sarah".
A power hungry opportunist with an eye on greater things? When she first ran for Mayor in 1996 her campaign manager told her that she could eventually run for governor of Alaska. Palin replied by saying "I want to be president".
September 13, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
She had a desire to be president. And STILL she did absolutely NOTHING to inform herself about national and international affairs!
Somebody mentioned "Pact with the Devil" about mcShame. But boy it's looking like a double pact with the devil for these Soul Mates. They've both sold their souls!
September 13, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
And it's so naked, Thera...Palin gave them one last ride on the Zombie Train, but the lies ae going to derail it in a most undignified fashion.
September 13, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
all this is well and good, but fivethirtyeight.com is making me want to move to toronto. WTF. suicide watch in the nova_voter household.
September 13, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you read Nate's latest article? McCain's bounce is going exactly the way they projected it to. EXACTLY. Nothing to be afraid of. Fear does nothing helpful for anyone. Hope is what you should have right now.
September 13, 2008 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is going after the 8 to 10% who make up their mind in the last two weeks of the campaign.
September 13, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
the prognosis at fivethirtyeight.com and electoral-vote.com is concerning but according to their analysis 2 weeks ago it was expected.
What comforts me is in knowing that BO has a good ground game and the Dems are out registering the Repubs. I think BO will get his lead back in the ECV estimate within the next 2 weeks and regain his lead in the daily tracking polls by the middle of next week.
September 13, 2008 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
The election will be won on the ground, not on 538.com.
September 13, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, the NYT article is chilling. Palin is a female Willie Stark. Ruthless. She has no business anywhere near the presidency. She is dangerous.
September 13, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I always go to Lincoln Chafee's description: "cocky wacko."
September 13, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the debate, Biden needs to go after her on the many disturbing points raised in the NY Times article.
Hiring friends, firing experienced professionals, secrecy (Cheney), book banning, polar bears, global warming.
These are legitimate points -- he cannot hold back. She will bring a gun to the fight, he better not bring a pea shooter.
September 14, 2008 1:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
NY Times front page story on Palin's record as Wasila's mayor and Alaska's Governor.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1221343324-tGxa66AkDRYq1tsNYpjoIw&pagewanted=all
Cheney with lipstick comes short.
September 13, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops. Didn't know the article was already here.
September 13, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is one of those articles that should be posted three or four time per thread.
September 13, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just have to ask: has nothing happened since 2pm that there hasn't been a post on Election Central? From what I've heard Obama was in NH.
September 13, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
We were lucky to get a few posts this Saturday. Typically, we get the Sat/Sun round-ups and that's it.
Something about this strange two-day phenemenon known as the "weekend," for which everyone seems to be working...
After this week, a woman of honor would defend herself on Meet the Press tomorrow morning. A major candidate for high office sees fit to keep hiding for two weeks now, while spewing lie after lie after lie.
The press must love the abuse. What else can be said?
September 13, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
They must be banging their heads against their hotel room walls: What have I become? What have I become?
September 13, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
If they want to do a Monday thru Friday approach during one the most important elections in US history they should let us know so I can I find another place to place my energy. I really appreciate the community of people here, some of the best articulated analysis and comments one can find on the internet. But it's a little frustrating when the people who run this site check out with less than two months left til the election. We can all sleep when mid-November comes around.
September 13, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I m finding myself at Kos's site more and more because they dont take the weekends of. Interesting stuff is always being posted there.
September 13, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Same here. Just because there is activity going on, but it's hard to deal with the blathering.
September 13, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word. Kos always have something good to read on.
September 13, 2008 10:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are plenty of us who will volunteer to keep the discussion going on the weekend if the ones who are being paid a salary don't want to do it.
September 13, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some interesting stuff is being posted on the front page, but is there has no reflection of this on Election Central. What gives?
September 13, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
i have often wonder that myself. The homepage seems to have more interesting posting than the Election Central page which only seems to post polls mostly.
(USC is just man handling Ohio State)
September 13, 2008 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not even close! They may want to consider not coming out for the 2nd half!
September 13, 2008 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh lord, we're going there. Second half, Buckeyes shock USC with three unanswered touchdowns.
September 13, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
In a lot of cases all they have to do is post word for word what they wrote on the front page to election central. Copy and paste. Copy and paste.
September 13, 2008 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps the vaunted New System will address this. But I hope they don't over-do it, like that memory pig HuffPo.
I would like to see the ability to comment on everything they put up on the front page.
September 13, 2008 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
That would basically solve it. It's kind of frustrating to see a post on the home page that has some interesting things to say but because it is the home page, I can't can say anything. Or see anyone else's take.
September 13, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Josh's commentary is spot on and very insightful and at times you would like to post a comment. So i hope you are right and with the upgrade we will have the ability to post comments on the home page.
September 13, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
There have been five good posts on the front page since this thread has been posted. It just doesn't make any sense.
September 13, 2008 10:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I mean, can someone explain to me why on the front page we have a post entitled Spokesman On McCain Strategy of Campaign Lies, but this doesn't show up on Election Central. Please someone from TPM explain this.
September 13, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, how hard is it to create a post on Election Central from a post on the front page?
September 13, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sign me up on that one!
September 13, 2008 10:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
The people have spoken.
September 13, 2008 10:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am still waiting for the Obama ad ripping McCain for his lies along the lines of whatever happened to the concept of truth, justice, and the American way? McCain is dishonorable and this needs to be pointed out long and often. So far as I can see, the Obama folks don't have any strategy or any particular message, and this is just killing them.
What is it with Democrats that they can't show any spine, even when they're being relentlessly attacked? Obama doesn't need to lose his cool, he just needs to point out that McCain and his campaign organization have no honor whatsoever. It's nothing but the truth and it's highly documentable. A whole series of orchestrated ads would be a start. But the Obama camp doesn't seem to be able to orchestrate their way out of a paper bag.
September 13, 2008 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Approaching the concern troll level with this post. Obama has fought McCain to a statical tie in the national polls and has the media talking about the lies and distortions. Given McCain's glow with the media when this began, Obama is doing quite well and I'll bet he can punch his way out of a paper bag.
September 13, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is NOT doing well. He's losing to a 72-year-old homunculus who's voted with Bush 90 percent of the time, in a country with 80 poercent wrong-track numbers. While many of us and many more thousands dig in their wallets for the campaign, knock on doors, accost people about registering to vote ... Obama and Biden never miss a chance to tell everyone how 'honorable' this vicious war-loving sack of shit 'John' is. McCain won the nomination six months ago. For those six months, every goddamn ad and speech should have ended with "Like Bush? You'll Love McCain." But no. Too simple, not high-road or "new politics" enough. Much better to mock his computer skills, and release sternly-worded press statements. This country is half-filled with uncaring, unserious morons who need to be hit with a figurative two-by-four, not speeches from libraries and promises from Obama that he "trusts their judgment."
September 13, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
the situation that Obama is facing a country that "is half-filled with uncaring, unserious morons who need to be hit with a figurative two-by-four" and Obama is going after the other half and maybe peeling of some of the morons. McCain is taking the opposite tack.
September 13, 2008 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
And i would add that when looks at all the polls, Obama is not losing. He is TIED with McCain.
September 13, 2008 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has made it clear the kind of presidency he wants. To achieve it using McCain's tactics is not the road he intends to take.
More to the point, the national drama is not where the election will be won. It's on the ground, where the org and registration continues to favor Obama -- and where the People actually live -- is where it will be won.
McLiar canot clap his hands together and create this org out of his asshole. Palin gave the GOP one last ride on the Zombie Train, and the bridge, now just days ahead, is out.
September 13, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
A schoolbus full of Repubs discovering that are travelling on a bridge that never was and the 72 year old driver is asleep at the wheel as it soars into nowhere.
September 13, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain, and Hillary, voted against the Barack Oilbama supported Bush-Cheney Energy Bill that that put $6 billion in the pocket of big oil.
It is Oilbama that = 4 more years of Bush-Cheney.
September 13, 2008 11:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Somewhere in Massachusetts, a village is missing an idiot.
September 13, 2008 11:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Has it ever occurred to you that the surcharge Palin taxed on the oil and gas coming outta Alaksa is passed on to you, me, and everyone else in the form of higher gas and fuel oil prices, fool?
September 14, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I give it a B-.
Nice, but needs to be harder.
Most undecideds don't know what a lobbyist is and why that all matters. Too much brain work is required.
McCain is sleazy, scary, impetuous, hot-headed and is running an undisciplined campaign. Those are the sorts of words that make people think twice.
Listen to Lakoff.
September 13, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
joel3000: I agree with your post 3000% percent.
September 14, 2008 12:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agree with the B- grade.
It is still too long-winded. Do low information voters even know what 'lobbying' means?
Needs to be more direct and simpler.
It's better than some of the other bland tripe that was running last month.
September 14, 2008 1:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
hit even harder
September 14, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
McHogwash the politician, like (until recently) King Bubbuh before him, is following his Nature, believing he can get away with it because no one is paying attention. But my god...you need hip-waders to listen to either him or Palin speak.
I really think we are pivoting this weekend. No one is taking Palin seriously, and McMuleFritters is all lies all the time.
I agree, hit them hard: Want Four More Years Of Lies?
September 14, 2008 12:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
You guys are great! It's time the Repugs crawl back under their rock!
This campaign is making me sick, and I think a bit paranoid. I keep see McCain as the Manchurian Candidate! The old movie, not the re-make. Now it's worse since I read an article talking about McCain authoring the bills that seal the MIA and POW records.
September 14, 2008 5:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's not just any oil lobbyists, it seems to be Chevron lobbyists.
http://the-shin-bone-star.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palinknows-more-about-energy-than.html
September 14, 2008 9:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
There is this video clip of Mccain saying, "I lied", on CNN.
The program is, 'Mccain revealed'.
That was when he was told he lied to his wife about his age.
Who would use that clip in an advert?
Danny
September 14, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I suspect Obama is waiting for the debates before he goes after McCain. At the moment, McCain is too busy making shit up and spending a ton of cash in the process. Once the debates are going, he'll have ammunition to fire salvos at McCain and rip him up.
As for the current ad campaign, it only servers to solidify his base and annoy the left. It doesn't create a change of heart for someone in Obama's camp to move to his camp or for a squatter on the fringes of both camps to pick up and join his camp. It's way too early for an independent to make up their mind.
September 14, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
CNN quotes Obama spokesman Bill Burton today:
"We will take no lectures from John McCain, who is cynically running the sleaziest and least honorable campaign in modern presidential campaign history. His discredited ads with disgusting lies are running all over the country today. He runs a campaign not worthy of the office he is seeking."
Glad to hear the Obama campaign saying this, in appropriately strong language, at last. They need to put the corporate-owned media on the spot by relentlessly attacking the Rove-Palin campaign's numerous, repeated, brazen, preposterous, malicious lies with words like "sleazy", "dishonorable" and "disgusting" until it raises a stink that the corporate media can't avoid talking about even if they want to.
September 14, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
So far the Mccain campaign has ignored the harsh attacks on their integrity, honor and honesty, hoping that the media doesn't pick up on it and that the Obama campaign eventually gives up on that message (as historically, giving up on a line of attack that doesn't have immediate results is a Democratic trademark). Meanwhile in their own ads they accuse Obama of more-or-less behaving the same way.
It looks like they may be getting more media flack than they counted on, but if the storyline becomes "well, Obama's ads aren't completely truthful too", their strategy still may be effective.
This campaign is only going to get nastier, and October will make September's attacks look like pattycake. By Nov.4, weakly committed and undecided voters will think they are choosing between a senile, ill-tempered war hero who sold out his principles to the corporate lobbyists and extreme right wing of his party for his last shot at a presidency that will escalate the failed policies of the Bush administration and a smooth-talking, but niave and inexperienced left wing radical of dubious patriotism who will capitulate to our enemies and might put the economy at further risk. Not voting might start looking moreattractive to these people by then. For the more partisan voters ( the vast majority by this point) - it will become a choice between the one man who can save the country from likely economic and geo-political collapse, and the man most likely to accellerate our country's slide into both.
September 14, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
We need to make this cloud and clear as Americans. Not Democrats, or Republicans, but as Americans. Bush has implemented all of Obama's war strategies; and not given Obama the credit for it; McCain has stolen the long-standing 'Change" platform as if that's all it takes, when Obama's change platform is a grassroots movement from the people; McCain has even turned against himself in most issues; Palin banned books, which obviously states that she does not believe in the first amendment; doesn't care about the Polar bears and lied about the whole thing; Palin now, we discover never even went to Iraq, so we are beyond the stretch here and into outright lying. As Americans, we need to demand some standards. Further, it is the Electoral College's job to scrutinize the caliber and qualifications when the candidates fail to. That is their purpose.
September 14, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a stronger ad from Obama
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/09/new-ad-deception-is-all-mccain.html
The liar meme seems to be having legs
September 15, 2008 8:49 AM | Reply | Permalink