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More Polling Shows Convention Bounce For McCain

Some eye-opening national numbers from Survey USA, based on polling on Friday, shows McCain in the lead on key issues like Iraq, health care, and energy independence.

* On the question of who has the better plan for Iraq, it's McCain 55%, Obama 41% -- despite multiple polls showing solid majorities agreeing with Obama on withdrawal.

* On the question of who has the better plan for energy independence, it's McCain 54%, Obama 42%.

* On the question of who has the better plan for health care, it's McCain 46%, Obama 45%.

* McCain is seen as stronger on education, 50%-45%.

Obama does hold a nine point lead on who's stronger on the environment, 49%-41%. But somewhat ominously, more respondents (49%) say they'd bet that McCain will win the election than say Obama will (44%).

These results are almost certainly ephemeral, but they do suggest a successful convention for McCain.


Late Update: A good take from Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight.com on the post-convention polling.


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Drop Biden and pick Hillary.

During the George interview, Obama made his disdain for the "liberal" blogosphere very clear.

So I'm sure he wouldn't care about the Eagleton name-calling, if he wants to win the election.


If Obama drops Biden now, painting Obama as McGovern will be too easy.
It;s not the left-wing blogosphere that matters in this election, anyway.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the front page of SUSA indicates that this was a poll taken in Tampa, FL--not a national poll.

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You're not wrong, that's Tampa, NOT national.

Still, it's not good news. Obama needs to win Tampa and that region, and was always considered to be leading there.

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these are national numbers. look in upper right hand corner of this link:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=662cadf9-6890-4da1-a61b-7501c8783a97

the Tampa numbers, which are also accessible from the front page of SUSA, are worse.

But it's just people who watched McCain's speech, Greg. That's not a random sample at *all*.

Ok, wait. That's true on the top quesiton. But on the issue questions, it's a sample of people who claim they watched both speeches. I'm still not convinced that the R/D breakdown is representative. But I am rather amazed.

McCain's speech sucked. All I can figure is that this is the "whatever I heard last must be right" effect.

It's still a skewed breakdown. And think about the way the poll works. It's all about McCain's speech, and along the way (probably near the end) there's a question asking if the person also saw Obama's speech. That makes this a very unusual comaprison of people's views on the two condidates. You'll have people hanging up b/c they think it's all about McCain, people saying "yeah I saw Obama" because they heard or read news reports, who knows what. There is no way to gauge all these possibilities, and no similar polls to compare for trends.

Also, this poll was conducted and released on the same day, thus no evening polling, which also skews the results. And remember, none of this sort of thing is covered by "margin of error." From the methodology statement:

There are other possible sources of error in all surveys that may be more serious than theoretical calculations of sampling error. These include refusals to be interviewed, question wording and question order, weighting by demographic control data and the manner in which respondents are filtered (such as, determining who is a likely voter). It is difficult to quantify the errors that may result from these factors.

I'd say in this poll all these factors are significant.

"I'd say in this poll all these factors are significant"--my words, not part of the quote, obviously.

I don't see anything in the upper right corner.

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Upper left, actually.

My browser shows a popup menu whose text reads: "09/05/2008 News Poll # 14340". Below that:

"Geography: US 50 States
Data Collected: 09/05/2008
Release Date: 09/05/2008"

The media sponsors of the poll are listed below that.

Seems like Obama needs to go out there and point out FORCEFULLY that all McCain has done on Iraq, change and environment is toe Obama's line. McCain has been far from a Maverick, he's been a follower who denies having NO IDEAS OF HIS OWN.
I cannot believe the nationwide perceptions that McCain has a better plan on HEALTHCARE??! How in God's name do people think that?

Because the Obama campaign has not done a good job at getting its positions out there in words of one syllable. Idiot voters don't read position papers. The know McCain is a "maverick", they hear him talk like a centrist, and they fall for it.

Gore came from far behind to win the popular vote when he ran with a strong, clear populist message that took the "compassionate" veneer off Bush's conservatism- but he waited too long to start it. The Obama campaign is in danger of making the same mistake.

By the way I think I'm going to stop posting here, because I'm getting goddamn sick and tired of dealing with the login problems that STILL ahven't been fixed.

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The results may be ephemeral, but Obama could use a conversation-changing moment ASAP. Perhaps a Colin Powell endorsement? He needs to take the reigns pretty quickly.

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Something is VERY, VERY wrong with this country if these numbers are not outliers.

True. Some of these simply don't make sense. McCain, for example, doesn't have an energy independence plan as far as I can tell.

Or a healthcare plan...other than "no."

Sure he does - "Drill, Baby, drill!"

McCain talks about energy all the time, and Barack has done a poor job of pointing out that McCain is lying about supporting renewable energy. He won't do anything for renewables, his plan is to drill and build 40 million (or so) nuclear power plants.

I am stunned that ANYONE thinks that McCain's healthcare plan is better. Where did they find these people to poll?

I think they got the numbers of people coming from church Sunday morning.

Otherwise, people are dumb!

McCain would tax healthcare for those that do have it. For me, I would have no net gain or loss on the surface with his tax cuts.

I would get a lot of wars I have no interest in fighting that would saddle the future generations with continuing debt. Good times there!

Would McCain be rock bottom for America if he wins?

To tell the truth, I'm skeptical that issue polls reveal much. I'm afraid most people don't know a whole hell of a lot about candidates' positions. They make up their mind about a gestalt, and assume that the candidate they like must have the positions they would prefer.

Oooooh,but look at the internals: heavily Republican. 40% Republican? 76% white? Whatever!

Oh, ok. And its ONLY people who watched the speech. I Know I stayed a mile away from it!

Yeah, this is sh*t data. 40% R 29% D? That's sure as hell not parallel to the national breakdown.

See above for revision of this comment. Some of the questions are just people who saw McCain. Others are people who saw both speeches.

I still think Greg ought to note that this is *not* a random sample of voters.

It is more than a bounce; McCain is leading the news cycle week after week. Even during the Democratic convention McCain was still directing the news cycle.

Obama needs to re-organize his team and start hitting heavily. If the public think McCain is better on economy and health care. You know there is a problem somewhere. This hand off approach towards the media is not going to cut it. Obama need to hire the Clinton media folks if he wants to win this election. Voters’ registration alone cannot cut it.

I am saying this not as a troll but as someone who has contributed hugely for the campaign. Obama needs to hammer the media for their ridiculous narratives. Up till now, the MSM is still caving in to McCain. For example, watch Bob Schieffer, Tom Brokaw and Katie Couric.
The O team has been cut off guard and they don’t seem to have a response. Perhaps, the people in Chicago are buying too much of their own spin. The first statement that came out of button when Palin was announced was ridiculous and lack focus.

Obama can only win this election if he starts showing some spine. Enough of this Professor talk. Talk like soneone that is outrage about the declining economy Leading McCain by 2% point on economy is not good enough.

Repubs will do angry black thing!

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Who gives a crap at this point.

I do.

The angry black thing is a boggey man and it is not going to work. Obama need to take some risks if he want to win this election.

Playing it save is not good enough. Damn! the angry black man card.

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A great salesman one time told me that all 'buy' decisions are based upon an emotion. The decision of who to vote for is a 'buy' decision.

The republicans rely on three elements: fear, resentment and hate. If you catch one of these, you'll soon catch the other two.

Irving Kristol is reported to have said "A liberal is someone who has just been laid off, a conservative is someone who has just been mugged". Thus fear is an important emotion for the Republicans. But that's been played out in the last election.

I would say resentment is more important. Republicans are nothing if not a coalition of resentment: of the New Deal, the Civil War, Civil Rights, Civil Liberties or the Vietnam war. The wealthy who resent the New Deal are most important because they provide the seed money to fertilize and grow these other movements.

The thing about resentment is that it causes you to find ruinous policies agreeable. Bush's policies have been ruinous for the country. But Republicans don't mind because they are filled with resent over past events in this country. Contrary to their words, they hate and resent modern America and so they want to ruin it.

For Republicans, then this election isn't about fear, it's about resentment.

Resentment is likely to prove more powerful than fear. In the RNC they stoked the resentment, and no one more so than Palin. It's easier to catch the resentment bug. Once you have it, you suddenly don't mind the ruinous policies of the past 8 years.

Obama's got a problem on his hands. He's peddling hope. Hope is great, but by itself it won't stand up to the trifecta of fear, resentment and hate. He's going to have to stoke some of his own fear... over what this country will become and his own resentment over the waste of the waste and ruinous policies over the last 8 years. I'm not saying give up the hope meme. Just add some fear and resentment to the mix.

If he doesn't, I don't see how he will get any traction, short of an economic collapse in the next 8 weeks. And while that looks like a possibility, it will likely wait until January of February.

The republicans have real, corporate style marketeers working for them. They know how to sell. They'll tweek peoples emotions and get their vote. Then two year from now when they are living in a van down by the river they'll be posting "I used to be a Republican that voted for Bush and McCain" diaries over at Dailykos. But by then it will be too late, I fear. (my motivation)

In the mean time I have some very smart friends that are telling me I shouldn't be working for Obama, I should be trying to learn a survival trade, like carpentry, basic farming or black smithing, for when the real collapse comes.

Jeez -- ok, so this is people who watched McCain's speech? In Tampa? What the hell kind of sample is that.

Greg, this doesn't call for a Late Update, this calls for putting the whole thing under erasure/strikethrough. Seriously. You've got a lot of people on window ledges this morning. It's not time to shout "jump."

Even if it's not just Tampa, it does seem to just be people who watched the speech. That's sure as hell not a random sample.

Add the Bradley/Wilder 5% not shown in pools and B. Hussein Obama and his "Muslim" roots gets his ass kicked by the old white guy and his bimbo unqualified running mate.

Clinton 2012, the end of KOS, ObamaPost, PMSNBC. Barry lovers are HATED by everyone else. A loss can't happen to a better bunch of assholes.

Punchbowl, meet Turd.

The Bradley effect is a theory, and an inconclusive one at that. All one has to do is research it to understand why it's problematic. I know conservatives are promoting it lately, probably in an attempt to discourage left-leaning voters. It's just a boogie-man.

Marginal Player's posting is proof that fear is the conservative's only card in this election. This is the battleground. If you do anything based on fear, you will be making a bad decision.

Think happy thoughts and keep working hard for the Dem ticket. The Republicans know they have no chance if we do.

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Fear is sooooo last election.

This election is based on resentment. And that's more powerful than fear. However, it doesn't matter. Fear, resentment and hate: if you catch one, you'll soon have all three and find yourself irresistibly drawn to the Palin family.

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. I know conservatives are promoting it lately, probably in an attempt to discourage left-leaning voters. It's just a boogie-man.

The conservative hype of the "Bradley effect" also serves to inoculate the public (and, more importantly, the media) against any suspicions of, shall we say, irregularities in the voting on election day -- say, skews between the exit polls and the numbers reported by the Diebold machines. Not that that sort of thing ever happens in our Great Democracy.

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This seems like a case of voters liking whatever they heard most recently. I mean, what else could explain McCain leading on education and healthcare?!?!

I'm not too worried about this. If the Obama campaign is still half as competent as it was in the primaries, they were anticipating this and have their plans in place for the end game.

I'm encouraged by the fact that McCain stayed at 48 in the Rasmussen today. Bounce already fading? If he doesn't hit 50 in the Ras or Gallup, that's a good sign (regardless of the USA Today).

I mean, honestly, with those kind of totally backwards internals, I'm impressed that Obama's doing that well in the "betting who'll win" question.

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these are national numbers. look in upper right hand corner of this link:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=662cadf9-6890-4da1-a61b-7501c8783a97

the Tampa numbers, which are also accessible from the front page of SUSA, are worse.

I'm pretty sure this is the first poll I've seen with more Republicans than Democrats . On the first question it's 40% Republican, 29% Democrat, 26% Independent. On other questions, it's 35/33/27. In any case, I've not seen anyone suggesting that there were more self-identifying Republicans than Democrats, which seems, well, ODD.


Good God.

Is Obama going the way of Kerry and Dukakis?

Was I wrong in picking him over Hillary?

Was he wrong to pick Biden over Hillary.

If this guy doesn't start taking the fight to the Republicans, we are screwed.

We can still win, but we have to FIGHT.

We do have to fight, but we don't have to get hysterical over one poll with very suspect internals.

Seconded.

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It's not the V.P. that matters.

All 'buy' decisions are based upon an emotion. The Republicans know this. There movement is based upon fear, resentment or hate. If you have one, you'll soon have all three.

They aren't peddling policies, they're manipulating emotions. They are pushing resentment, because fear is all played out. The thing about resentment is it causes you to like policies that are ruinous. It's a wonderful strategy for them now because it means the last 8 years of ruin doesn't mean a thing, once you catch the resentment bug.

It wouldn't matter who Obama picked. He's selling hope. That's nice and dandy, but he needs more traction. He needs to tweek some negative emotions himself. There's plenty to fear about an American run by McCain and Palin, and there's plenty to resent about the last 8 years. He's just got to get going on it.

I stand corrected on where the polling was conducted, but do the internals really have 40%R and 29% D? In what fantasy world is that an accurate party breakdown? If someone good at numbers could re-adjust these stats with a more realistic party ID distribution, I'd love to see it.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com

Nate Silver's explanation of response bias in today's posting makes a lot of sense.

It will be interesting to see whether the main effect on the state-by-state map is to make the light red state darker. I've been surprised in electoral maps about many of the "Bush" states were only "leaning McCain."

My take is that we're seeing the base come out hiding for McCain, but that the main effect will be to take some already unlikley states out-of-play for Obama.

I think the Obama campaign needs to mostly ignore Palin -- the one place I think he needs to hammer on her negatives (extremist evangelical ties, lack of foreign policy experience) is Florida.

In the end, its going to come down to a very similar electoral map to Kerry's, and the focus needs to be on a few balance-tipping states.

The title,

More Polling Shows Convention Bounce For McCain.
Is this correct? Where is the same poll prior to the convention to compare this to?

The poll respondents is skewed towards republicans. Was there an adjustment made?

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I just talked to a friend, who leans Republican, but hated Bush and was against the war from day one. He's for McCain because he wants to get out of Iraq.

Just to let you know what's filtering out to the masses.

The Survey USA poll is not a representative sample. The sample is 35% Republican, 33% Democrat, and 27% Independent. Does anyone really believe that this is how the electorate looks right now?

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Can you tell me where you're getting those numbers?

Because from what I see, the breakdown was 40% Republican, etc, which is definitely out of step with party identification data....

Your numbers are right for the first 2 questions (about McCain's speech). The other results are limited to people who (claim they) saw both speeches, resulting in the 35-33-27 breakdown. Still skewed, and not just b/c of the percentages, but also b/c of the starting sample (respondents to a poll about McCain's speech).

Republican strategists have a new talking point, which they are hammering in unison: Obama should have picked Hillary as his running mate; if he had, he'd be way out in front now. This is brilliant, because it rubs more salt in what had been the Hillary supporters' mending wound, and serves to demoralize Dems just after our convention.

Correct, I and other Hillary supporters will NEVER vote for B. Hussien Obama and "my Muslim faith."

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/08/obama-mistake-on-being-muslim-seized-by-rivals/

"Mending wounds"?! No wonder you list your name as "Doofus" No self-respecting Clinton supporter will ever vote for Obama, even with Clinton on the ticket. Anyway, that train left the station and you all are stuck with Biden (who's been suspiciously silent since the convention)

What would you know about self -respect OR being a Clinton supporter?

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Far less than he knows about being a doofus...

Please. PLEASE, will you Trolls find a nice bridge to live under so that we adults can discuss the issues that matter to the country? PLEASE! You people are seriously, seriously WEAK.

Folks need to calm down. Obama didn't get crazy excited a week ago when his bounce came in and I suspect he's not getting crazy now. Stay focused.

Look at the link to the crosstabs. These overalls are misleading due to the Rep support for McCain. Obama does better with Independents and Moderates which is where the fight is going to be.

Did you guys even look at this poll before feeding it to our resident concern trolls?

First of all, let's get the Tampa thing out of the way. This is a national poll, the SurveyUSA front page is referring to a different poll than what's reported here (same questions, just in Tampa). But that does not make this poll meaningful by any stretch.

This is a poll about McCain, asked of people who watched his speech, conducted and released the day after the speech (i.e. no evening polling--anybody at work last Friday did not take a call). That probably explains the skewed demographics noted upthread (40% R, 29% D, 26% I). And it makes this poll worth less than nothing--there is no way to derive meaningful information from this without total speculation.

So, this is my own, very unscientific polling...I try to look at comments posted to news stories on more "mainstream"(??? whatever that is) websites, just to try and gage what "random" people are saying. There is no science to it, none whatsoever. I do find it encouraging, especially after the Palin pick, that the majority of comments are negative to McCain and Palin.

Don't know if that helps, or encourages anyone. But, I did want to point it out. I realize that there are so many who do not use computers. But, again, I do find it very encouraging how many people see through the sham of McCain.

Who in the hell are these people that they are polling saying McSame has better HEALTHCARE?

Did they ask patients in the mental ward?

As much as I hate polls and really don't trust them, it really makes me wonder about people.

The internals for the topic questions were closer 35%R vs. 33%D and asked of people who had seen both speeches, not just McCain's. McCain's speech was obviously fresher in the minds of the respondents, and it was a speech largely geared towards Independents and fence sitting Democrats.

It is doubtful that even the Dems and Independents who saw both speeches are reflective of larger voting public, unless you want to believe that a third of African-Americans rate McCain higher across the board on all issues polled.

This has been proven, through laboratory tests involving thousands of tormented guinea pigs and cute, bleach-white mice: Mooseburgers are a leading contributor of brain fat.

Also, possibly, not many folks out there are aware of this: Not one lab animal give a damn about your welfare.

No way. Mooseburgers would be uber-lean.

Uber? ...The guy on the "Andy Griffith Show"?

This is just unbelievably fucked up. Either testimony to the stupidity and ignorance of American voters or -- more accurately -- testimony to the stupidity, ignorance, and gross irresponsibility of the tire-swing mainstream media.

It just absolutely boggles the mind that anyone could think that McSame could do better on Iraq, energy, health care and education, all areas where all he would do is continue Bush's fucked-up policies.

Yes, this is ephemeral. Yes, there is a lot that can and will happen in the next eight weeks. But, Jesus, we've got to go on the offensive and get some truth squads out there to expose the compulsive lying of McSame-PaleImitation and the complicity of the MSM in this process.

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McCain is better on *health care*?

WTF?

I was thinking today that indeed Biden should resign based on family decisions, not be replaced, and then have Hillary step in to fill the void of the departed Biden who will still be on the trail.

IS that possible? Can Biden just resign and then have Hillary? Wonder what that meeting with Bill Clinton will be about this week.

Panic panic panic. Whatever. What gets me is that whether this particular poll is an outlier or not _way_ too many people are buying into the McCain camp's steady stream of bald faced lies. It's classic Rove. Lie and lie some more. Who cares if what you say is the truth or not. Loads of idiots will believe it simply because you say it.

I'm in a quandry. I don't know whether I should be filled more with moral outrage over the fact that the Rovians continue to insult us and tell us to our faces that we're idiots and we'll believe anything or whether my moral outrage should be because they're right. We are simpletons.

It's time for Barack to bring it.

But yeah that poll is in Tampa. But once again people are showing their ignorance.

No way McCain is better on health care, energy, and education. It's just seems like common sense to me that Obama is by far the best on those issues, but I guess that's just me.

Just a gut response --- I feel that something is seriously wrong with Obama's approach. While it seemed to work well with the Democratic base, especially relatively educated liberals, there seems a big disconnect between his approach and what Mainstream America finds accessible. I really think that to be able to get his message across, he really needs to start where Mainstream America is. This means, yes, who he is as a potential leader matters a lot because this is what Mainstream America can most easily grasp --- he should therefore unequivocally and promptly communicate displeasure (no more mocking tone) whenever his patriotism is questioned, his judgment questioned, his bipartisan record questioned, etc.; he should replace careful policy analysis with sound bites; he should stop praising McCain (and so do Biden and Clinton and everyone else) and start aggressively exposing his dishonorable policy shifts and campaign moves to voters --- bottomline is to puncture both his and Palin's maverick and reformist and bipartisan images. Obama should not hesitate to go negative insofar as it is based on facts. Americans deserve to know the facts about the candidates.

In short, Obama needs to show his tough side. He is in a fight, for God's sake. Americans probably appreciate a politician who can act smart and punch hard than one who is thoughtful and graceful. I know this is sad but is likely to be true.

If Obama loses, it will be poor comfort to say to ourselves "Well, our guy lost because he was too nice for America."

the race is still early, but then again people said the same thing a month ago when obama was still not really fighting back. if the dems had 1/2 of the fighting spirit of the gop, we would never lose. i know these are post convention numbers, and the whole bradley effect, but i hardly ever see the obama campaign really taking the fight to the republicans. they do it during one town hall, then nothing for an entire week. the idea that the gop would nominate palin, who at this point appears to be an even worse candidate than mccain or even bush in 2000, and there would be almost no real pushback by the obama campaign for almost 2 weeks is just ridiculous. no matter how much the US public says they like the "hope/change" message, i have yet to see any evidence that they don't respond to hard hitting/attack ads.

Well,

- McCain is serious about campaigning - if not necessarily about governing. That was to be expected. They may have won that battle (not clear whether they did, but let's assume the worst and say they did). That's not the end of it.
- Obama campaign has plenty of opportunities to exploit; the McCain speech alone has three months worth of ads in it. Palin's record is pretty scary, too. Obama's campaign has money; presumably they have brains. Let's see what they do for the next few weeks.
- Most of our worries in the past turned out to be unfounded. Let's hope they learned from one or two screwups they had in the primaries.

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OK, after looking at the cross-tabs, I'm not crazy worried about this. Obama leads on all of the issues among both Dems and Indies. On the first two questions, the GOP number is 40%. But on the issues questions, it's 35R/33D/27I. A bit closer to reality but still probably too much of a GOP tilt. Given the fact that this favors the GOP in party ID, that's likely the reason for the McCain lead on all of these issues except the environment.

That said, the Obama campaign is in trouble right now, potentially big trouble. It's not trouble they can't get out of it, but they can't just sit back and play the same game they've been playing for the last few weeks/months.

With less than 60 days left, if you're the Obama campaign, there are three things you don't want re-ignited:

*Charges against your patriotism (see, Operation Flag Rescue)
*Charges that you are a secret Muslim (see, "my Muslim faith")
*Charges that your campaign is sexist (see, just about everything coming out of the McCain camp these days)

It took a lot time to overcome these things during the primaries. 2 months doesn't give you a lot of time to go through that whole process again. Plus, the fact that all of these have been re-introduced now may cause some people who were won over by the Obama camp to re-think that decision - ie, "If this stuff is still out there, maybe it really is true." And then there are the people for whom these rumors/accusation are new. (it seems incredible but they do exist)

And remember, we really haven't even seen Ayers or Wright or the Born Alive Act stuff rolled out yet. There's no basis for the patriotism or Muslim smears and little evidence that the Obama camp is sexist. But Ayers and Wright and Obama's voting record on the Illinois Born Alive Act do actually exist...there's actually something physical to point to in each case.

Folks, let not hide our heads in the sand. Things are not looking good right now.

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From Tom Hartmann's radio show:

"What does it mean to say that John McCain is a maverick?

Maverick is one of those eponymous words that is based on a person's name, and which captures something of the essence of what they were or did. Crapper (Thomas P., 1836 - 1910) a plumber and inventor is another such word.

Back in the days before barbed wire, millions of feral cattle roamed the wild-west. They only needed to be rounded up to make a fortune. In order to identify what cattle belonged to which rancher, they were branded with distinctive icons. In a move that some might call brilliant, it is said that Samuel Augustus Maverick (1803-1870) declared that his brand was no brand at all. This allowed him to claim any unbranded cow as his own. Clever in a Rovian sort of way, but (and by definition?) not exactly honest or conducive to living peacefully in a law abiding society.

John McCain is attempting to rustle the mantle of the candidate of change and reform from Barack Obama. This is after a disastrous eight years of Republican control of the executive branch of government (during six of which Republicans also controlled Congress). It can truly be said that John McCain is a maverick."

PEACE

1. Please be an outlier
2. Im afraid that is isn´t
3. How about the ad line "McCain will be worse than W" instead of "more of the same"
4. The Obama campaign are better politicians than I am. I keep repeating that to myself.
5. Don´t forget that all we need is 270. O could always act like 2000 W - any win is a mandate
6. We´ve heard that Obama is a poker player and remember the rope a dope before his acceptance speech (psst - its round 12 up and attem!)
7. The Obama campaign are better politiicans than we are... they know what they are doing, they know what they are doing...

Ras poll has it at +1 for McCain, and yesterday's Gallup at +3. Also weekend polls which tend to skew the age of the respondents up. It will be a few days before we see where the numbers are going to settle down on.

Ha! It's barely round five. You ain't seen nothin' yet.

Maybe a big chunk of your imaginary sky will hit you guys on the head and knock some sense into you.

Bwaaack! Bwaaak!

We should use these numbers to motivate more donations by developing a renewed sense of urgency.

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McCain leads on healthcare?

Obama has nobody to blame but himself for that one.

Geez, how pathetic.

This is simply a post convention bounce. Let wait and see shat happens by weeks end.

I have a feeling we'll see a lot of "shat happens" before Nov. 4th. ;)

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So here's how team McCain wants the campaign to work. John and Smilin' Sarah go out on the campaign trail. No interviews allowed for Sarah but the networks and papers cover the events, record lots of nasty quips from Palin, delivered with a smile. On the news, Palin and McCain's remarks are dutifully covered. No questions because the media aren't "deferential" enough for Rick Davis.
If the media really wanted to stand firm on Palin, thy would refuse to cover the campaign until she answered the many questions about what turns out to be her falsehoods about earmarks, her govern-by-intimidation style.

I think what this all comes down to is comfort.

Obama has campaigned, from day one, on the promise of Change. Unfortunately, there is a human bias against change. People are fundamentally more comfortable with the "evil" that they know than the "good" that they don't. Despite the fact that economy is doing poorly, we're up to our eyeballs in debt, we're still in Iraq, gas prices are sky high etc,. most Americans are still fairly comfortable. Obama's promise of change represents an unknown. People may not be all that well off, compared to how they like, but the feeling must be there that it could be worse.

On the other hand, McCain has been presented, by the Obama campaign in particular, as the candidate of "more of the same." Which, ironically, may be doing McCain good.

All that was needed for McCain in this scenario for people to see him and judge for themselves that he was not an obvious monster. What the GOP convention did was to hand those who felt uncertain about McCain (residual effects of the attacks he weathered ca. 2005) an excuse to vote for him- that excuse being "he's not that bad." McCain (and Palin) didn't have to perform well, they just had to avoid any serious gaffes and come across as vaguely human.

Specific issues don't matter (people don't understand and/or believe the specifics anyway.) Smears work because they sow uncertainty. Given that Obama is the New thing, however, smears will have a disproportionate effect on him.

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I am with Gbenga. Enough with the professor talk our country is a nation of reality tv watchers and sound bite responders.
Where is this Chicago fighter ? Where is this "they bring a knife we'll bring a gun"?

One other point which is really sad about our country.
My friends mother owns a beauty salon in Arkansas and is a democrat. The shock of her life is how most of her clients want to vote democrat because they know they would be better for the country right now but they just can't bring themselves to vote for a blackman.

It is time to get that gun out!

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I am not going to get excited about a SurveyUSA poll on a Friday night, the night after McCain's speech.

Check out this poll in a couple of weeks and particularly after debates.

Are these people fucking stupid?

MCCAIN has a better HEALTHCARE plan??

Are you shitting me? Who are these idiots?

So basically the headline is:

The GOP lies, America believes them.

I would not be complacent, friends, even if the polls are skewed. Obama should be leading by a healthy margin, at least close to ten points if he has to prepare for possible damage that a re-ignition of the Jeremiah Wright saga may inflict on him.

Say what you want, but McCain has been running a spectacular campaign. His party is unpopular. He cannot be trusted with our foreign policy and national security. He is clueless about everything else. He is old. His maverick and bipartisan image is damaged. How could he possibly be running even, let alone leading, in the polls?

If I am one of those who has only started paying attention now (which, I am afraid, is quite typical of many non-affiliated mainstream Americans), I will probably be impressed by how strong McCain he has been running against all odds and will likely put my trust in him.

That McCain has delivered such a lousy acceptance speech and appeared more ready to retire than to lead but can still do so well in the polls is a sign that something is seriously wrong.

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Team Obama should have strangled Sarah Palin's image and reputation in the cradle. She's dreadfully inexperienced, she's embroiled in scandal, she's scared of meeting the press of taking questions from voters, and her record as mayor and governor is decidedly mixed (earmarks, deficit spending, links to Ted Stevens, etc). Not to mention she lies and distorts her opponents' records etc.

Yet the day after her speech when that speech was defining her public persona, I tuned into Morning Joe and other shows only to see Robert Gibbs and other Obama surrogates not bringing any of this up or countering her arguments, but praising her as "talented" and saying it was a "great speech." NO!!! YOu can't let the GOP drive the narrative. They are experts at manipulating it and will eave you in the dust is you don't take the initiative. Hopefully, the Obama people and the media will actually examine her record etc., but I'm afraid it's too late.

"Idiot voters". Those words from an earlier poster represent our (the Democrats') problem. Condescension, snarky sneers and juvenile jokes coming from Obama supporters at the expense of people in West Virginia, Kentucky, Alaska and just about any other community that doesn't "understand" how great Obama is generate resentment, anger and, ultimately McCain/Palin votes. (As an aside, when George Wallace spoke at Harvard and was called a racist by a rowdy and profane student body, he won lots of points across America when he asked the Harvard president "How many 'Negra' professors do you have on your staff?" The answer of course was none. Sticking it to the arrogant and self satisfied always gets votes.)

Obama's statement about "bitter" people to a cloistered SF fat cat crowd reveals an important Obama problem. He was asked why he didn't do better with rural voters. He blamed the voters rather look at what he might be doing wrong as a candidate. They were bitter, biased and in the throws of uncertainty. Maybe Obama will do better in the polls if he looks at his shortcomings and corrects them.

WRT Nate Silver

I'll attest anecdotally that the Crackpot Christianists have come out of the woodwork or sewers as the case may be

Question is what will be the response from the rest of us.

It seems clear that this race is headed for polarization just as the Republicans wanted

Let me sum up what is on the collective minds of everyone outside the US of Eh right now "What are you people thinking?!?"

They should have done this! No they should have done that!. No, wait, they should have done this other thing! Yup, that's what I've been saying would happen all along and I am thus wallowing in vindication. No, no, me, listen to meeee for only I, with my vast experience and itimate knowledge of how to do these things, have the one, the true the single formula for winning this thing and they must do it right this very minute!!!! OMGOMGOMGOMG!

Having been born and raised in Kentucky, The Land of Four Million Head Basketball Coaches, the way Democrats react to a bad poll always makes me homesick.

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ALso, Obama and the Dems need to paint John McCain as the cold-hearted corporate tool that he is. Where are the ads hammering away at his votes against SCHIP and other programs that provide healthcare to children? What about hthe fact that he didn't even show up to vote on the GI Bill? This is low-hanging fruit, why is it being left to rot?

You are right, I think -- lotsa voters do not pay close attention to the political news, and they react to whatever they heard last.

So we need to make sure we attack each of the points in this poll, and make sure our message is the best, and last, one they hear....

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WTF?

Along with the other flaws, the Survey USA poll didn't ask about the economy. Then again, if the respondents favored McCain on health care, they might have favored him on the economy too.

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Calm down folks. Sooner or later, the polls were going to change. Polls are psychological instruments, that can be used to encourage or discourage people from going to the polls.

Polls that show John McCain in the lead could have an opposite reaction amongst the voters. Since 80% of the people in a recent "poll" said that America was on the wrong track, how could it be that so many now think John McCain is the best person to put us back on the right track?

Obviously, there is a disconnect with these polls. However, when some people start to realize that John McCain may be the next President and that we are in store for more of the same and worse, then there will certainly be some second thoughts. Count on it.

Of course, partisanship is a strong indicator in a political race. The Republicans are riding a "partisanship" high after their convention and the nomination of Sarah Palin. But, fortunately, there is still time for voters to contemplate the future and my bet is that they will not gamble with four more years of the same.

But Obama will have to shoot down the "change" theme that McCain has put forth. He must convince the voters that if they want more of the same, they should vote for John McCain. Obama realizes that and is attacking McCain on the absurdity of his "change" theme.

And another Kentuckian is more stoic than the public at large.

I swear its because we've endured exactly the same kind of "opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one" phenomonon thing every basketball season for our whole lives.

I've earlier urged for a much tougher, no-nonsense approach to deal with McCain here. Just had a chance to watch the video clip on George Stephanopoulos's interview with Obama. Here are what I observed to be telling examples of what is wrong with Obama's approach:

- Obama consistently sounded too scholarly for Mainstream America: when George asked him about McCain's persistent misrepresentation of his tax cut proposals, he should have called McCain "a liar" or "misleading" outright before giving his lengthy and complicated explanation of what his tax cut proposals would achieve and what other independent analysts thought about his proposal compared to McCain's; when George asked him about McCain's bragging about Palin's national security credentials, he should have said something like "McCain was either ignorant or simply lying again" with regards to Palin's responsibilities with the Alaskan national security guard and should then have gone on to express surprise that a self-proclaimed national security expert had got this so wrong.

- "Obama was incapable of feeling offended. Is he really sincere about what he believes? Does he think of himself highly at all?": When George brought up Republicans' mocking Obama's experiences as a community organizer, he should have expressed his moral indignation in the most serious manner and should have charged that the GOP had insulted a noble profession --- just imagine what McCain would say in response to anyone mocking a military career. He should then have tied the Repbulicans' view of community organizer to their "couldn't care less" attitude toward American people's economic plight.

- Obama was overly nice toward anything related to McCain: it's good to show respect for the military but really there is no need to show excessive respect. Why called a military career "ennobling, honorable" especially when he had failed to defend the nobility of community organizing?!

- Obama is overly generous: True, he should refrain from raising the race card. But when George pressed him on some of his supporters calling some GOP politicians' remarks racist, the last thing that he should do --- and unfortunately he did --- was excuse those GOP politicians. He should have used this opportunity to set the boundary for the GOP folks by saying something like "those remarks certainly sound controversial at least and I think everyone should take care not to say something that makes people think that they are being racist."

I just couldn't help feeling "so many opportunities missed" after watching the video clip. I could tell that George deliberately brought all those things up for Obama to refute forcefully and looked pretty perplexed after hearing Obama's responses.

Lastly, Obama should stop smiling (even mockinlgly) when he should be serious or angry. He wants Americans to be serious about him.

I have said it before and I will say it again: if the stupid so-called left blogosphere did not trumpet the same things that the rest of the corporate/Drudge/Limbaugh bleats about, and actually pushed the issue positions, resume and strengths of "our" candidates, we might actually have some push-back on the air castles that the VRWC has built with the cheerful cooperation of the SCLM. If I wanted to read the same trashing of Dem candidates, I could go to any number of places. You all did the same kind of thing versus Clinton. THIS is where that extended nonsense primary where she ran around trashing Obama and planting seeds that the McPalins and lefty hand-wringers nurtured into a gigantic tree yielding these electoral fruits now. His poll numbers now are a direct reflection of the mirage she recklessly pursued in the spring.

STOP. Do these instead:

1. Contrast the spectacular achievements of Barack Obama (US Senate: ethics reform, nuclear nonproliferation and open government; Illinois Senate: ethics reform (hmm... notice a thread?), child health care expansion, death penalty reform and much more; FIRST black Harvard Law Review editor; author of TWO best selling SELF-WRITTEN biographical books; Law Professor; Civil Rights Lawyer; and yes, community organizer) vs McPalin: pseudo-reformers who are the genial fronts for the same neo/theo-con brigade.

2. The record of the last eight years.

3. The fact that Dems are better for the economy than the Thugs.

4. The fact that Dems are better for foreign policy than the Thugs.

5. The fact that McLame's "green"ness is a sham. When the idiot elderstatesmen of the Dem party (Clinton, Gore for eg) run around praising McLame for his greenness, push back hard.

6. Above all else, do NOT blare right-wing advantages as headlines here -- we can go to Drudge and his cohort sites and to the radio and to the TeeVee and to the papers to see that.

Because Obama's response to the surge full-court press has been horrible. He has not stated the case well enough that McPOW got us into this mess and the surge is just a holding pattern.

Instead we get Obama & Biden with long confusing convoluted answers that make them look like Kerry & Dukakis.

Pathetic

You had me worried there, until I noticed the Tampa thing. I'm not really worried what they think in Tampa. I lived in FL before moving to CA...

If stupidity and ignorance were natural resources, Tampa would be Saudi Arabia. (For anyone living in Tampa, sorry... but you know it's true). Obama could almost under no circumstances win in that county anyway.

You had me worried there, until I noticed the Tampa thing. I'm not really worried what they think in Tampa. I lived in FL before moving to CA...

If stupidity and ignorance were natural resources, Tampa would be Saudi Arabia. (For anyone living in Tampa, sorry... but you know it's true). Obama could almost under no circumstances win in that county anyway.

You had me worried there, until I noticed the Tampa thing. I'm not really worried what they think in Tampa. I lived in FL before moving to CA...

If stupidity and ignorance were natural resources, Tampa would be Saudi Arabia. (For anyone living in Tampa, sorry... but you know it's true). Obama could almost under no circumstances win in that county anyway.

You had me worried there, until I noticed the Tampa thing. I'm not really worried what they think in Tampa. I lived in FL before moving to CA...

If stupidity and ignorance were natural resources, Tampa would be Saudi Arabia. (For anyone living in Tampa, sorry... but you know it's true). Obama could almost under no circumstances win in that county anyway.

My husband made a point last night about this election. He does not read any blogs,but if he happens to hear something on the radio or watch something on tv he notice one thing... there are people who are not looking for a reason to vote for Obama,they are looking for reasons NOT to vote for him. Any reason will do. no matter how small or trivial.

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* On the question of who has the better plan for Iraq, it's McCain 55%, Obama 41% -- despite multiple polls showing solid majorities agreeing with Obama on withdrawal.

Wha... wait... uh... voters agree with Obama but think McCain has a better plan? My head is spinning. Can we really be that stupid?

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