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McCain Denies Blaming Obama And Democrats For Bailout Collapse

Here's a fun postscript to John McCain's appearance yesterday afternoon -- the one where he appeared to blame Obama and the Dems for the bailout implosion and then call for an end to the finger-pointing in the very next sentence.

In a new interview with ABC News' Ron Claiborne, John McCain is now denying that he ever blamed them:

RC: Senator, you said that now is not the time to fix blame, but to fix the problem, but you said almost in the same breath that the democrats, including Senator Obama are responsible for the, the rescue plan falling apart.

JM: No, actually I said yesterday very clearly right before the media [that] it's time not to fix the blame, but to fix the problem. We need to sit down together republican and democrat. We don't have inflame the situation today. History will judge who was to blame, and who wasn't...

When asked whether he blamed Dems and Obama for the bailout collapse yesterday, McCain said "no."

But yesterday McCain said: "Senator Obama and his allies in Congress infused unnecessary partisanship into the process."

As for McCain's claim to ABC today that "history will judge who was to blame," the McCain campaign released an ad today that ... blamed Dems and Obama.

So yesterday McCain blames Obama and Dems while calling for no more fingerpointing. Today he denies having blamed them while releasing an ad blaming them.

The untruths are getting almost too convoluted to track at this point -- it's a bit like being trapped in a falsehood fun-house or something.

Late Update: Here's the video:


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Of course he lied. He lies EVERY TIME he's confronted. Hopefully Jed L will produce a video of the two statements back-to-back.

Jed already did it:

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/09/mccain-now-is-not-the-time-for.html

But this one did not require Jed's extraordinary video skills, since Angry Grandpa uttered the "blame" and "no blame" statements seconds apart.

I meant of this current claim.

Fair enough.

The McCain plan is becoming clear. In response to his "Youtube problem," tell lies so quickly -- followed staccato-fashion with false denials of recent lies -- that the intertube operators can't keep up.

If only Obama had agreed to the town hall meetings -- assuming McGrumpy had decided to show up -- none of this heinous serial lie-telling would have been necessary.

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McCain lie?
You gotta be kidding me, what would he say if he heard you say he lied to the American people.
Oh, wait, I know what he'd say:

http://www.youtube.com/v/WdrcnR0NfI4

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No, he does not lie every time he's confronted. He also lies when he's not confronted.

Did you know he did jail-time as a POW?

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For five years, John McCain was not able to lie to the American people!

Wow. That's chutzpah. Did McCain wave his hand a little as he said it, sort of like a Jedi mind trick?

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Excellent!

This reminds me of the old Richard Pryor joke about a man caught by his wife while in bed with another woman.
As she screams at him, he tries to distract and deny, finally saying, "Who you gonna believe - Me or your lying eyes?"

I should have looked at your post before I put up mine...(below)
Good one!

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It's not really chutzpah. It's incipient dementia.

The same dementia that is in danger of giving us President Todd Palin. What, you really think Sarah will run things? Tell me another one.

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People with dementia have lost the ability to "initiate" lies - or much else.

This is not a sign of dementia. It's part and parcel of the man's longstanding character disorder. Pure and simple.

His lying is a direct result of his torture. You learn very quickly, I'm expect, to say whatever needs to be said to get what you want ... in the case of torture, getting the torture to stop; in the case of today, getting the Presidency.


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Frankly, I believe he was a liar long, long before any torture. (and as I understand it he "broke" after 4 days and produced a video)

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You're assuming your diagnosis (liar disease; a very serious case) is accurate and shaping your interpretation as needed. Fact is, it's just as likely that McCain is not, in fact, lying, but instead simply can't keep his own BS thoughts and talking points straight for more than about an hour at a time.

In fact, that's the analysis I'd bet on.

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BS is lying.

I think what jfields meant was that McShameless actually believes every word of what he is saying to be truth at the moment he's saying them. He's such a pathological liar where the tendency to fabricate on the spot in order to look consistent is so deeply ingrained in his character that he actually believes his own BS. In McLiar's world, he speaks truth. For the rest of us, it's BS.

He doesn't realize how he's blown his credibility over the past month. A year ago he might have gotten away with this sort of crazy lie.

Exactly. If McCain were smart, he would become scrupulously honest, because he has fibbed often enough that now it has become part of the preferred narrative that he lies. At this point, lying fits McCain's larger frame, so every lie he tells will be touted as yet another instance of the general trend. He cannot get away with even an honest error at this point. There was once a time when he might get more benefit out of the initial lie than harm out of the blowback, but that time is now past. He is just digging himself in a little bit deeper each time he opens his mouth by now.

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Yup. He's thereby lost the ability to sway public opinion.. except with the most deluded of the party "faithful."

Nice skull. I miss his take on things.

Thanks. Hunter would love this year.

The fundamentals of his denial are strong.

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Zing!

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Such a small and pathetic figure he's become.

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Isn't that the truth?

Truth? Who the hell knows anymore? Every time he opens his mouth it's like the whole world dissolves into a big hazy post-modern deconstructionist cloud of goo.

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Thank God we finally have an accurate description!

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LOL!

It's like DInner with Wittgenstein.


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In some ways he was almost mystical. Wittgenstein, I mean.

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Indeed.

Just very thorny to get through. He was saying something very profound.

I don't mean to suggest that McLame is.

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Oh, I'm well aware we're on to discussing a very different man. I read a long biography on him. Fascinating character in many ways. (Wittgenstein)

Today Senator McCain announced the suspension of his denials saying now is not the time to reach across the aisle and affix complicity.

Senator McCain today chastized Senator Obama for "Phoning in his denials."

If folks want to confront McCain with his lies, you better have video evidence ready to show him, otherwise he'll flat out lie to cover up his earlier lie.

Now if this interviewer ran footage, that would have been brilliant. But he didn't so he allowed McCain to get away with his lying.

Poor Tim Russert, rolling over in his grave

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You can't do that to a POW!!! Why, it's tantamount to interrogation ... or something!

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That, of course, is meant for Jonze.

If only we had Tim with us now...

My life would be so much easier if I could "invent" the truth as much as this old fart.
Does he think he's a fucking Jedi or something?

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Yes, the problem with liars is they have millions of ways to spin things, whereas truth-tellers have one story and that's it. The second problem with liars is that once they've lost their ability to manipulate people, they've lost entirely. ENTIRELY.

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Yup! Yup!

Senator Mc Cain today said using videotape of him reading a prepared statement blamin Senator Obama and his allies for injecting partisanship into the bailout debate was "gotcha journalism" at it's worst.

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I'm starting to cheer for these "Gotcha Journalists" - wherever they are and whoever they may be. All mcCrapMeister has left is to blame and cry wolf (through lying words) ... as the Gotcha Folk get closer and closer to closing the door on this pathetic small figure... exiting the stage.

...it's a bit like being trapped in a falsehood fun-house or something.

I couldn't have put it better myself, Greg.

It's kind of starting to hurt my brain.

I kept wishing Sen. Obama would start answering with "John, are you fucking kidding me?" the other night.

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LMAO!!!!


O I'm laughing the laugh that scares the doves (any Marquez fans out there?)


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*sigh*

I give up.

Are you a dove release vendor?? I have heard about those folks. Fascinating tradition.

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No.

I'm making a literary allusion to One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez.

Pilar Ternera, mistress to 3 generations of Buendia men, had a laugh that scared the doves.

I'm just rather fond of that image and more than a little fond of the book and the author.

:)

Ahh, yes, and the characters somewhat reappear in Love in the Time of Cholera (one of my all time favorites). And now that I think of it, like Frau Blucher in Young Frankenstein.

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Yay!

More recently from when I enjoyed Hundred Years of Solitude I read Love In The Time of Cholera wherein a major character at an advanced age dies while chasing a different bird in his house. Could this foreshadow McCain's downfall. Of course, McCain was never committed to one woman like the Doctor was.

HAHA! ...If only politics worked that way.

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We had a group therapy session here on that last night.

In an interview with ABC's Ron Claiborne, John McCain chided the reporter for being young, naive, and inexperienced. "He doesn't understand" what real blame is said the crotchety old solon.

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McCain wants to suspend his campaign again. However, before he does that, he intends to get re-booked on the David Letterman show, which he will also subsequently skip. You see, nothing emphasizes how important a McCain campaign suspension is than a cancellation of a late night TV appearance by McCain.

What was the famous line? "Every word, including the "the," the "and" and the "but" is a lie." Isn't that it? Regardless, it certainly applies to McShame.

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Every word is a lie, including "a" "and" and "the."


It was Lillian Hellman and Mary McCarthy - I think; I've gotten it wrong before - and I think Lillian said it about Mary.

I'll have to google it to be sure.

Wow. And I had thought it was a put-down delivered to a British politician by a fellow member of the Parliament.

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O god know - two writers. Much much worse and much much nastier.

Nobody disses writers like other writers.

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God no.

It's the homophones that defeat me online for some reason. I can't figure that one out.

I'd say you're homophonic!

It was Mary McCarty that said it about Lillian.

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John, listen to me: You're an old man yelling at clouds.

Go home. You don't make any sense anymore.

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O/T somewhat, but Palin related. The Associated Press:

The spokeswoman for the McCain-Palin campaign, Maria Comella, clarified in an e-mail to The Associated Press that when "Russian incursions near Alaskan airspace and inside the air defense identification zone have occurred ... U.S. Air Force fighters have been scrambled repeatedly."

The air defense identification zone, almost completely over water, extends 12-mile past the perimeter of the United States. Most nations have similar areas.

However, no Russian military planes have been flying even into that zone, said Maj. Allen Herritage, a spokesman for the Alaska region of the North American Aerospace Defense Command, at Elmendorf Air Force Base.

"To be very clear, there has not been any incursion in U.S. airspace in recent years," Herritage said.

I think McCain might have caught liaritis from Palin.

Im interested in hearing what Putin has to say about this.

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It is also critical to note that the Alaska Air National Guard has no organic fighter wing, therefore, they lack any intercept capacity which might peripherally fall under the 'command'—and boy, do I use that term loosely—of Governor Palin.

Nice try McCain spokesperson: you too are a liar!

The Major said there were no incursions by planes. He didn't say anything about giant disembodied heads.

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He didn't say anything about giant disembodied heads.

LOL!! I see you have the same visualization of Palin's statement that I do!

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The mere fact that they need to keep playing "catch up" is the tell....

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I keep having visions of a giant Putin head soaring over Alaskan territory giving caribou the evil eye...

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With exorcism to follow.

Looks like Grampy has lost his bearing again.

But aren't the bearings next to Alaska where Putin is looking over?

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He got confused cause that's the Bering Strait. He just thought it said "bearings." Or Bear DNA. He can't really read that well anymore unless it's a book or map with large print.

Is it a lie if he honestly can't remember saying it? He's go a simple choice; he can be considered either a liar or senile.

Exactly.

And actually, I think your question makes a GREAT idea for an Obama ad.

Yes.

Sarcastic-voice guy continues: "Either way, he's talking nonsense."

Paging Bill Hader from SNL.

As I see it, there is no choice. Both categories undeniably apply to him.

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Senile people cannot really lie. First of all they couldn't even remember talking points. Please don't be unkind to senile.

mcShame is a bald-face liar! This is not senility. That would give him an excuse.....

Liars have to have too good a memory...... McCain's little grey cells aren't up to the job.

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Either a really good memory or the ability to very cooly brazen that out and he has neither - he gets mad.

The older one gets, the less one is able to control one's emotions. You've all seen it - old men cry more easily than young men. Older men with tempers tend to have to have a shorter and shorter fuse.

And if he isn't lying, but doesn't remember - well that's fucking scary.

I honestly think that McCain-Palin is the scariest goddamn presidential ticket I've seen in my life. Hands down.

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Goddammit! Stop that! You're making me cry.

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For the elderly, their defenses begin to fall away. And you see the pure personality. Pure as an angel. Or dark as a devil.

It all depends on what's been hidden up till now.

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Yes I noticed that in my parents and in my husband's father - especially.

But mine as well - o my god, the change. I still can't fathom it exactly - maybe someday I'll make a real appointment with you -

lol

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I'd love to meet you.

Yes, painful to see parents age. My father is 91 (and entranced with Palin). My mother is 86 and definitely going senile.

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O I'd love to meet you too.

And I'll tell you what, I've made some close friends online whom I have met later and in almost every single instance the people are so much neater in person that it's just a joy.

For the most part.

I ran into a blogger I've known for years out at Taos Pueblo last summer - she is an Ojibway who lives with a Taos silversmith and she runs his gallery.

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I bought an outstanding necklace for my wife from someone that fits that description a year ago. I'd love to find that blog.

Taos Pueblo is amazing. New Mexico is amazing.

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And Thera - I can't fathom how my dad changed. Changing I get - it hurts when you get older. You hurt -

Or at least, everyone I've been close to hurt as they got older, all the time.

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He's a bad liar. I agree. But that doesn't make him senile. Likely in the past he always counted on people enjoying a "scamp." Now we just see a pathetic old liar.

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O I agree.

I never have been a fan. I was always surprised that so many liberals were fans. It was that Mavericky thing - but I never bought that bullshit, really. He never was all that helpful with all his maverickyness.

Many years ago, maybe 2002 or so, I read a New Yorker piece on McCain. It was very long and in depth. I remember it because I read it on a long flight and it kept me occupied. I remember reading that and thinking "this guy is different, and he's no friend of Bush and his gang of cronies, but he's still creepy." I remember reading that and thinking I don't trust this guy because I don't understand what makes him click. He has only gotten worse with age--his worst traits exaggerated. If you can find that New Yorker article it's worth the read into the man that McCain used to be.

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KateO,

Is it this one?

Nicholas Lemann, Letter from Washington, "The McCain Code," The New Yorker, February 4, 2002, p. 42

The full text is not available at the NY's own site, but you probably have access via a database at your public library, like EBSCO :) . Only the abstract is here:

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2002/02/04/020204fa_fact_lemann

Hmmm. Not sure. I went to the NYer site as well and had problems searching the archives. It was a major piece in that issue--maybe 10-12 pages. It was really superb writing. I'll keep looking.

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I was never a fan either. Never liked the guy one bit.

The constant stream of half truths, outright lies and re-invention of reality has created a sort of shadow campaign for McCain.

He banked on a less than educated voter base, a pliable press, and a lot of luck to keep everyone away from the facts and issues. Ironically this environment is not giving him the free pass Bush got in 2000, and it appears that McCain is getting the treatment Bush should have got in 2000.

If he had stayed true to his billing, and didn't suck up to all those he once opposed, he would have at least put himself in a better position to win. Now he has become this faust archetype peddling lies trying to outrun his latest fib with another one. Its both sad and eerily bizarre.
McCain is through, within two weeks his campaign will become a political deathwatch.

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I think you're onto something here. It's like the populace has PTSD from bush. And instead of turning on bush, they're focusing their anger on bush's successor. And rightly so!

Beautifully analyzed comment! Let's hear more from you, Fitgerald!

Hey, hey Thera I have PTSD...777John is giving PTSD a bad name.

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I have enormous respect for what you've been through with the PTSD. But having worked with many people who have it from childhood, I can tell you for sure that the therapist often takes a lot of anger that is displaced from the original abusers. That is what I am referring to here. Not knocking you or your peers.

Some of the symptoms.

Impulsive
Irrational
Rage
Forgetful

Sound familiar?

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What I've been saying.

Why isn't anyone put a McCain Lie Counter yet?

Like the one that used to be on Times Square about the U.S. yet?

Even on the Internet, on TPM, DailyKos or other site?

Honestly, it's on the real public interest to keep count.

The counter on the U.S. debt that used to be on Times Square:

http://edition.cnn.com/2000/US/09/07/debt.clock/

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Why no lie counter? Who could keep track of the exponential spewing of lies - daily... hourly?

Try it if you want... you'll soon give up the count.


If someone pays me good, I'll try it.

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Cindy has the money.

But would she pay for counting his lies??? I think she'll only pay for drugs... unless they're free.

They used to have it at carpetbagger.com till he left.

Re: "The untruths are getting almost too convoluted to track at this point -- it's a bit like being trapped in a falsehood fun-house or something."

Love the metaphor. It's all so Lady From Shanghai, house of mirrors scene.


Welcome to inside the McCain's campaign, the Orson Wells version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_p66HjTweo

Tanks for the link, hadn't seen that film in ages. So fine!

I'd forgotten the part where Welles goes down the chute to the Magic Mirror Maze, very John McCain right now.


Here's a question: Is it a lie if you just don't care whether it's true?

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Yes.

The truth does not depend on your intent. Not if it's the truth.

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Bravo!

To be sure, but my question was whether it's a "lie" if you just don't give a shit whether it's true. Or is that just "mavrick," because for centuries people have been making important decisions on facts.

I just get the feeling that he's not "lying" so much as he just doesn't care about reality. And I don't know if we have a word for that. He may be inventing a whole new form of dishonesty. No wonder he's the "original maverick."

(Nevermind Samuel A. Mavrick -- no sense in even checking to see where the term came from. I just tolk you! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Augustus_Maverick)

In his essay On Bullshit>/i> (originally written in 1986, and published as a monograph in 2005), philosopher Harry Frankfurt of Princeton University characterizes bullshit as a form of falsehood distinct from lying. The liar, Frankfurt holds, knows and cares about the truth, but deliberately sets out to mislead instead of telling the truth. The "bullshitter", on the other hand, does not care about the truth and is only seeking to impress:

“It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullshit requires no such conviction. A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it. When an honest man speaks, he says only what he believes to be true; and for the liar, it is correspondingly indispensable that he considers his statements to be false. For the bullshitter, however, all these bets are off: he is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false. His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in getting away with what he says. He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly. He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose.

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Good grief.

The man can't even remember what he said yesterday.

He really is losing it.

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He hopes "we're" losing it - and honestly my head is spinning with all his lies.

History will judge who was to blame on 9/11.
History will judge who was to blame on Iraq.
History will judge who was to blame on Katrina response.

Anytime a republican say that history will be the judge or that they don't want to play in the blame game, what they are really saying is that they are refusing to take responsibility.

McCain denies his own lies so often, I'm beginning to wonder if he's suffering from altzheimers. That's all we need, is for him to get in office and have Palin actually pulling the string in his back! Oh the days of Winchell Mahoney, but I digress.

I have a different take on it, and it is much darker than that he lied. I think McCain is totally confused, and in his own mind, he believes everything he says. For him reality is only what is in his slowly imploding mind at the moment, and he has truly lost his bearings. He is no longer mentally competent, in my view.

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The sociopath believes his own lies. That's not psychosis. It's total selfishness, lack of empathy, a desire to manipulate, and contempt for others.

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Yes - a good number of my clients were straigh sociopaths and Bush is one - I can tell because of the excuses he makes- it's never his fault.

Classic. I mean - classic.

At least as far as criminal behavior goes - that's just SOP.

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Of course he is no longer mentally competent. I'm just not sure how long he has been this way - 10 years, 20 years??? And, I agree with you. I doubt that McCain is even aware of his own lies now, since he is so certain he can't lie. Anger can do that to you. He has compromised what ever moral fiber he ever had for so long that he is living in a world that only exists in his mind.

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I'd call that arrogance, not loss of competence.

I don't find John McCain sad or pathetic or heroic or any of the sympathy snagging adjectives he offers fir himself orhis partisans drape around him. I find him a despicable opportunist who should never have become a Senator much less made a run for the Presidency. He is not having a memory loss, he is simply trying to flim-flam the American public, and don't you think we've had enough of that in the past sixteen years?

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Thank you, Prysmith!!!

Please people, stop giving excuses for mcShame. He is a Drama Queen. A sociopathic liar. A grasping, greedy hypocrite. He is not senile or deluded. He is old. He is immature. But he knows exactly what he is doing and saying. And he is totally culpable here. (don't give him an inch by explaining away his MISBEHAVIOR as senility or delusion)

Thank you again for your perspicacity, Prysmith!

A friend of mine thinks he's bipolar.

From Psychology Today:

Signs and symptoms of manic episode:

Increased energy, activity, and restlessness
Excessively high, overly good, euphoric mood
Extreme irritability
Racing thoughts and talking fast, jumping from one idea to another
Distractibility or lack of concentration
Little sleep needed
Unrealistic beliefs in one's abilities and powers
Poor judgment
Spending sprees
A lasting period of behavior that is different from usual
Increased sexual drive
Abuse of drugs—cocaine, alcohol, and sleep medications
Provocative, intrusive, or aggressive behavior
Denial that anything is wrong

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That's a description of a manic episode, which is only one side of bi-polar.

Regarding bi-polar, well, we really don't know. Certainly many aspects of his personality would fit in some ways. But where are the depressive episodes? We're not seeing that.

Just saw the new Couric-Plain interview piece on CBS Evening news. In it Couric ask her her views on contraceptives. Gov Plain goes on to praise contraceptive use as long as it is safe, then in the next breath says she is against using them.

LOL!

Katie pressed her obvious contradiction, to which Gov Plain then relented and said she is personally against them.

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She's probably against them because they're all "unsafe."

What is her definition of "safe" in this instance?

So inane.

Mary McCarthy said it about Lillian Hellman. And it was an understatement.

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Thanks - like I said I keep getting that wrong and the funny thing is that after I posted that and was doing something else it occurred to me that Lillian was a terrible liar and I probably had that backwards.

[shakesheadhardtorattlebrainbackinplace] ;)

It seems that maverick McCain is in lock-step with the White House. Today McCain said Congress' plan is a "rescue" and not a bailout. And White House spokesman Tony Fratto today said that bailout isn't the right term -- it's a "rescue".

It's basically one of three possibilities -
He's forgetting what he said even mere hours before, he doesn't know what the hell his campaign is doing, or he knows he's lying and doesn't give a damn.

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I like option number three. Fits with the gambler mentality.

I wonder if he just simply forgot?

Early-onset Alzheimer's could explain much of his erratic behavior over the past several months...

My Grandmother had early-onset Alzheimer's, she was spreading toothpaste in her hair and wearing her undies as a hat. In her 40s.

At 72, if McCain were to be diagnosed with it, that would not be early-onset. He's smack dab in the middle of the normal risk range age-wise.

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Tina - Mary McCarthy said it about Lillian Hellman. They loathed each other.

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Thanks. :) Scroll up - we got that clear a few comments back.

But thanks - I do appreciate it cause I just keep doing that.

I think McCain was how Prysmith described, but is now drifting in and out of how suntzu described.

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Today's Katie Couric interview revelation:

Sarah Palin can;t name a magazine that she reads to get the news.

Oh, and no Morning After pill for anybody - not even 15 year olds who are raped by their fathers.

Palin says that's 'less than ideal.'

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If she gets no news, how is it she recalls vividly the speeches of Biden?

Please... I want to know this...

Thera, remember who her mentors are nowadyas: McCain, Scheunemann, Schmitt and Davis. That's how she knows all about Biden's speeches -- that and confabulation.

"nowadays" -- that'll teach me to stop using an archaic term.

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Of course. I was only pushing her comments to their logical conclusion. Had I been Katie, I would have seized on that opportunity. And asked all about those speeches she recalls from 2nd grade. Biden's. And others.

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Ok, listen to her - she does not speak proper English unless she's coached. She doesn't know proper English.

This is the most absurd situation I've ever lived through. I thought Dan Quayle couldn't be topped.

It's breathtaking - it's so humiliating to be an American in this situation.


Yep. As some was quoted in the Times this morning 'Quale knew something.'

Palin's spelling of potato: Pohtaytoe

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Or else!

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Personally, I think rape is less than ideal!

Off topic, but Ms. Palin's latest interview with the hard hitting Hugh Hewitt. Hewitt makes Sean Hannity look like Edward R. Murrow.

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/0c03d39e-df44-41fc-af7d-f2f9a7f56b68&comments=true#commentAnchor

Holy shit.

Palin:L Oh, I think they’re just not used to someone coming in from the outside saying you know what? It’s time that normal Joe six-pack American is finally represented in the position of vice presidency, and I think that that’s kind of taken some people off guard, and they’re out of sorts, and they’re ticked off about it..."

Joe six-pack? A fucking kidding me?

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What did I tell y'all - this is Tonya Harding running to be the veep.


America, in the words of Nancy Kerrigan, cries:
"Why Me?"

Thank God Biden is no Nancy Kerrigan.

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Wow, Joe Sixpack... is her self-definition... I hope she never, ever lives that down!

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Palin: "It’s time that normal Joe six-pack American is finally represented in the position of vice presidency..."

"Even if he were mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren't they, and a little chance? We can't have all Brandeises, Frankfurters and Cardozos."

--U.S. Sen. Roman Hruska (R-NE), defending the nomination of G. Harrold Carswell to the Supreme Court against criticism that Carswell had been a mediocre judge.

{sigh}

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Let's hear it for mediocre surgeons! Or really poor ones. Totally unprepared and incompetent ones! Totally fake surgeons are getting a bum rap in America!

I also find it interesting that her son in Iraq has called his girlfriend twice, but has not called her yet. Maybe because he can't stand her and he would rather be in Iraq than in the same orbit as this psycho.

Am I late in weighing in that John McCain is Cotton Hill personified?

Just another angry, small retired soldier with a sexy blonde wife.

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Look, I'm not a guy. But "sexy" blond wife? You need help!!!

Just give me the money, she has enough money for batteries.

I would agree that 'sexy' is an accurate characterization. Cindy is one smokin' hot old lady.

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I know - it's like Cotton just stepped off the screen into real life.

Same personality, same hang-ups.

I'm a guy. Not sexy. She aspires to sexy, but misses by almost as much as McGrumpy misses "honorable."

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I don't think she's sexy, y'all don't think she's sexy, but man does she thing she's sexy and I am thinking McLame must have thought so - she was his mistress.

Maybe it was the money - I don't want to go there, really. {brrrrr}

and ewwwwwwww. Now you throw in oh-so-not-sexy Palin into the mix and...I don't want to go there.

My friends, those are not lies, those are Maverick pasture pies. Soon you will see turd blossoms bloom on them. I am all about organic campaigning.

John Calf Shit McCain/ Sarah PygPalin 2008BC

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liam... you have a fertile mind.

Thera,

I resemble that remark.

It is not the first time I have been called a shit head.

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LOL!!

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"...it's a bit like being trapped in a falsehood fun-house or something.,/i>"

Kind of like:

Over, under, sideways, down
Backward, forward, square and round…
When will it end?

Keith Relf
The Yardbirds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLv7viCMGo8

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so good!!! well said!

Wow, McCain really things we're all stupid, doesn't he? He may be the first politician to overestimate the stupidity of the American people.

Overestimate? Nah. Take the fact that he's still in contention and is burying Obama in a number of red states. No overestimation of stupidity yet.
He's not treated in the press as a modern day Lyndon LaRouche.

Dementia is not a good look for him.

I'm sorry for the diversion- actually to come to think of it denial and lies is the theme that remians intact.

I felt this was funny with a capital F. Funny as hell, it hurts.

You Tube Fox video Via Kos. Fox doing "investigative" reporing in the "split" state of PA.

Oops!! I didn't think McCain's dementia is infectious. Here is the link:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/30/162550/843/464/615832

Thanks for the link. I especially liked this little gem:

The Democratic Party’s registration edge over Republicans has widened to more than 1.1 million statewide, according to the Pennsylvania Department of State.

The Pennsylvania numbers have boosted the confidence of Barack Obama campaign workers.

In 2004, Sen. John Kerry defeated President George W. Bush by 144,000 votes in Pennsylvania. Democrats held a 580,000 voter registration edge at the time.

"We’re seeing the desire for change right here in Pennsylvania, where Democratic voter registration is growing every day," said Obama spokeswoman Ellen Mellody. "The electorate will be fundamentally different than it was in 2004."

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That sent chills up and down my spine!

Thanks!

My pleasure!

A few weeks ago I was in a total funk, afraid that the American people didn't have the brains to see through the Sarah Palin pick.

It's great to have good news to share.

There was that moment, thankfully brief, that the thought she would snooker the public like Bush did in 2000 snuck into the consciousness. Pessimism is the Democratic curse of the early 21st century.

We're like abused children. Daddy has been lying to us for so long, we almost gave up on ourselves. Then Senator Hope came along...

I feel like I can trust him, I want to trust him, my spirit says to trust him, but...I still need some more therapy. Baby steps.

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He's giving us the therapy. We all need it.

Was it me or were the patrons actually laughing at him for calling PA a split state.

Precious if no other reason than to show how not-fair and not-balanced FOX news is.

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Even science proves your behavior is over 85% a result of your environment.
No one needs to list the the names and lies this guy has lived with.
Bushcon rewards this behavior. When you excell you rapidly move up to the lier king room.

How many polls showing Obama + 7-10 in PA need to come out before they say its not a swing state?

Until November 4th.

Over the past two weeks, my level of hatred for McCain has now reached and eclipsed my level of hatred for the hot tranny mess that is Hillary Clinton.

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Now now - Ann Coulter is a hot tranny mess.

Clinton - not so much. ;)

Can we just slap a helmet on John and set him up in a tank someplace for filming?

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How about in orbit?

McCain didn't actually say "the Democrats are responsible for the bailout failure," he simply said that the bailout didn't go through and the Democrats were mean about it.

This is a difference designed to be absolutely true, but subtle enough to be lost on the persuadable voter.

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Obama is up by 19 on Intrade:

Obama - 64.3

mcShame - 35.3

Odd of nearly 2 to 1 for Obama!

But natch the Mac bets on the dark horse... (Cindy is likely wasting the family fortune trying to get his numbers to stay up)

Looks like 29 to my finger-and-toe calculations.

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Oh, boy... thank god for fingers and toes. And I better be careful about the checkbook!

(Cindy is likely wasting the family fortune trying to get his numbers to stay up)

It's not just his numbers Cindy's trying to get to stay up.

McCain thinks that when HE says it it cannot be a lie. He can consort with lobbyists because HE is incorruptible. He can gamble at midnight in Vegas because HE is a man who cannot be bought. He can canoodle with Vicki Iseman because HE is an honorable man. McCain believes his own press clippings. Worse than the press used to.

A legend and a hero in his own mind.

Here's a clip from tonight's Couric/Palin interview (about what newspapers and magazines she read BEFORE being tapped as VP) -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y

She read "all" of them -- including the John Birch Society newspaper. Polymath.

Incredible clip, isn't it? You can just feel Sarah wantin' t' say "Sports Afield," or "Snow Machiners of Fortune," but instead she opts for the Mantra Of The Sophomore Who Didn't Do The Homework:
"Oh, ya know, just LOTS o' them! I read ALL of 'em dontcha know. You all think Alaska is a backwater, but ya know it's really not!"

I kept waiting to hear just ONE name of a newspaper or newsmagazine or even, y'know, TPM... but no, not a one.

Yup. This lady giving interviews is a loose canon. You come to realize that no matter how much time sequestered away, that she is completely uncoachable. You simply cannot coach away that level of ingrained backwater, redneck ignorance and cluelessness without years of real education. Not six years at central northern Idaho state christian bible college for women. Woe be it to anyone on the McPain campaign responsible for prepping her that has come to realize how hopeless their assignment is.

Hapless.

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They saved the best for last, innit?

I'm laughing -you have to.

I feel like I'm trapped in a Lil Abner comic strip - Arkansas and Alaska both start with A, right? (that was my Palin impression)

"Well, hey, you know, there are two states in this great country of ours that start with the letter "A" - that's Arkansas and...Alaska. And this is what makes this a great country."

Not bad, but you've got wayyy too many axons firing to be convincing. But I do like that Lil Abner connection! Which was, of course, the progenitor of the Daisy May cutoffs, which begat the Daisy Dukes cutoffs, which begat Jessica Simpson... and then it struck me! Dang! Have we ever seen Sarah Palin and Jessica Simpson in the same room at the same time?? I mean, I bet the neuro fMRI's match up perfectly. Speech patterns, vapitidy index, the whole nine yards. Let's watch this.

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You crack my shit right up!

LOL!

She couldn't say NYT or WaPo or the Anchorage Daily News?

This is really isn't even funny anymore.

Hey don't pile on Palin...We may have a substitution with Qyale (sic).

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As fanfan5000 said at the YouTube site, "I love Katie's face at 0:35." You can just tell she's thinking "How much longer do I have to pretend that this airhead is Einstein?"

777 John did not lie...He just took the advice of GUGU2.

Couric/Palin on Global Warming - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2IVytlHDcY

What an outright idiot -- she says let's not quibble about what causes it, let's do something about it. But what you do depends on whether you have a scientific, or a oil industry-driven, understanding of what causes it.

It's not an exaggeration to say the fate of the planet depends on this election.

we're talking the fate of the universe, baby.

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She can't attribute all of man's activities to global warming, but it's rill.

Couric/Pain on homosexuality - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CohwuiyhyWA

According to Gov. Palin one chooses to be gay...

And one chooses to be dumb.

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Well only up to a point, my dear.

Some simply have more genetic material up there to work with than others.

Humans are not equal in brainpower - no way.

She is so freaking scary. As from the interview posted upthread, I am not surprised her son has not called her since he has gone to Iraq (although, and this according to her, he has called his girlfriend twice.)

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O I have all kinds of notions about just what she's like really.

I just keep most of them to myself - but take one look at First Dude - you know who runs that show.

She reminds me of a woman in Texas who is on death row for killing her kids for the insurance money.

Ok I said it - flame away. It's my personal impression of the woman - she's Darlie Routier.

In other words - totally ruthless, but very very stupid.

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Nonetheless, my lesbian neighbors have a McCain Palin sign where their Hillary sign used to be.

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Mine chose Obama from the start.

Stupidity doesn't discriminate based on sexual orientation.

McCain-Palin are LIARS, HYPOCRITES and FRAUDS.

McCain-Palin are LIARS, HYPOCRITES and FRAUDS.

McCain-Palin are LIARS, HYPOCRITES and FRAUDS.

McCain-Palin are LIARS, HYPOCRITES and FRAUDS.

McCain-Palin are LIARS, HYPOCRITES and FRAUDS.

McCain-Palin are LIARS, HYPOCRITES and FRAUDS.

McCain-Palin are LIARS, HYPOCRITES and FRAUDS.

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Now if you could put that on a file card and slip to Palin - right before the debate.

Palin said that she was listening to Senator Biden's speeches when she was in second grade.

Senator Biden was sworn in to office in Jan. 1973.


Sarah Palin was born Feb. 11. 1964. Do the math. Was she held back in second grade, or was she listening go Joe Biden's senate speeches, before he ever gave any. Hmmm. I am beginning to suspect that Sarah has super powers, and is not from this planet. Which is a good thing, because Putin is rearing his head, and we sure can use a wonder woman to guard our Alaskan coastline. you betcha.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/sarah-palin-claims-she-was-lis.php

While it is a good enough catch, this is the least of things I want Palin grilled for.

It all counts. No one punch is going to deliver a knockout. On the other hand, it is better to keep on exposing ever single piece of fiction that she spins, just as soon as she does it. That is they way to force the McCain to always play defense.

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Yes yes yes.

I can't wait for America to see that bit with the newspaper question.

All of it - just keep it going.

Somebody check... I bet the only way Sarah was a nine year old second grader was if Alaska had high-stakes testing to get into third. Has her high school yearbook ever surfaced?

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I hear her BA in Sports Journalism (I am not making this up) came in the mail. (I'm also not making that up.)

"BA in Sports Journalism"?? Is that true??

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I wonder if she had to attend nine or ten elementary schools to get through sixth grade?

What if McCain is trying to lose on purpose?

Let's go Pre-Palin. McCain hadn't starting spouting lie after lie after lie yet. Then, instead of getting who he wants to be his VP, he is forced to choose Palin.

This, naturally, pisses him off to no end.

Enter the lies, drama and blatant contradictions we are seeing everyday now.

Aside from possible dementia, this is the only explanation I can think for his non-stop back-and-forth bullshit.

Or maybe he's just a grumpy old dickhead.

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I think he's politically suicidal. It's as if he were a political suicide bomber... trying to take as many as possible with him as he flames out in a blaze of Infamy.

That's fine with me, as long as he flames out one way or another.

McCain is not suicidal. He is a compulsive gambler, who always bets on the long odds. We all know someone like that. That is what all his maverick bullshit is really masking. He always stakes out the long odds bet, so of course he is always going against the social consensus. When he hits the rare long shot jackpot, he then claims that he had the vision and judgment to see what most others did not have. Of course he never speaks of all his losing long shot bets, which far exceed his wins.

Look at the so called "surge" in that light, and it will all become clear to you. Remember when I gave you my headline: The Dice Man Cometh.

That is why he backed the surge. He went all in on a long shot. He got lucky, and now he is once again claiming that it was his special vision.

Broken down gamblers, with holes in their shoes, have regaled people at race tracks, for many years, with their tales of how they figured out that the longshot they backed was going to win.

They never bother anyone with any tales about all the longshot losses they incurred that reduced them to paupers.

McCain would be just like them were it not for the fact that he married a Sugar Mommy who covers all his many losses.

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Nobody forced McLame to pick her, at least according to what I've read. I have read that the pressure was to pick Romney and McLame didn't want to at all and got mad because of the pressure and picked Palin on impulse and as an "in your face" to Karl Rove, who was the chief pressurer.

Breaking:

This just in.


John McCain denies that he has denied denying, and blames it all on gotcha journalism. Senator McCain went on to state, that he wishes to also issue a pre-denial that he just said any of this.

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And anything he said that might sound like a denial can only be blamed on Obama's refusal to those 10 town-hall debates.

If Biden lasts through a debate without shouting at her, shouldn't we be giving him the win? I mean, Jesus, that's going to take the discipline of a monk.

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Or laughing so hard he can't stand up.

As part of pre-debate prep, the Obama campaign has brought in Ticht Naht Hahn to work with Biden on remaining present and finding the simple joy of his own breath.

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LOL -- you guys are killing me!

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Here's a short excerpt from Al Gore commenting on sub-prime mortgages:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o7-kvz_IrA

(starts at about 1:00)

But, you know, this started when we had these sub-prime mortgages.

And who knew that you could give mortgages to people who had no collateral and no ability to pay the mortgage, and if you lumped lots and LOTS of such mortgages together and then securitized them and put them on the market, wouldn't that make them all OK?

Bbbbrrr! Magic of the market!

Turned out not to work that way... Now we have trillions of dollars of sub-prime carbon assets.

Nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come... The next on the list may be an assumption whose time has passed: The assumption that these mortgages would be magically redeemed by securitization turned out to be an assumption that went splat!

And now Palin (from Ben Smith's blog Politico) faces a question that really puts her out on the fringes. She steadfastly evades the question (it's about policy, not personal views) but leaves little doubt:

Couric: If a 15-year-old is raped by her father, do you believe it should be illegal for her to get an abortion, and why?

Palin: I am pro-life. And I'm unapologetic in my position that I am pro-life. And I understand there are good people on both sides of the abortion debate. In fact, good people in my own family have differing views on abortion, and when it should be allowed. Do I respect people's opinions on this. Now, I would counsel to choose life. I would also like to see a culture of life in this country. But I would also like to take it one step further. Not just saying I am pro-life and I want fewer and fewer abortions in this country, but I want them, those women who find themselves in circumstances that are absolutely less than ideal, for them to be supported, and adoptions made easier.

Couric: But ideally, you think it should be illegal for a girl who was raped or the victim of incest to get an abortion?

Palin: I'm saying that, personally, I would counsel the person to choose life, despite horrific, horrific circumstances that this person would find themselves in. And, um, if you're asking, though, kind of foundationally here, should anyone end up in jail for having an … abortion, absolutely not. That's nothing I would ever support.

Couric: Some people have credited the morning-after pill for decreasing the number of abortions. How do you feel about the morning-after pill?

Palin: Well, I am all for contraception. And I am all for preventative measures that are legal and save, and should be taken, but Katie, again, I am one to believe that life starts at the moment of conception. And I would like to see …

Couric: And so you don't believe in the morning-after pill?

Palin: ... I would like to see fewer and fewer abortions in this world. And again, I haven't spoken with anyone who disagrees with my position on that.

Couric: I'm sorry, I just want to ask you again. Do you not support or do you condone or condemn the morning-after pill.

Palin: Personally, and this isn't McCain-Palin policy …

Couric: No, that's OK, I'm just asking you.

Palin: But personally, I would not choose to participate in that kind of contraception.

Here's vid for half of that exchange - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7FLeIycLh4

i can't watch her anymore. too painful... won't watch the debate either. my stomach can't take this anymore.