McCain Campaign: Poll Showing Obama With Big Lead Is Bogus
In a sign of alarm in the McCain camp, McCain aides are aggressively working to discredit the new ABC/Washington Post poll finding that Barack Obama is ahead of McCain nationally by 52%-43%.
The McCain camp rolled out their top pollster Bill McInturff, who argued on a conference call with reporters moments ago that the poll is an outlier whose results are skewed by lopsided party identification numbers, which showed the Democrats with a 16-point advantage over the GOP after leaners were pushed.
"It's appropriate to say politely that this one poll is an unusual outlier that does not represent where this campaign is or where it's heading as we go into the first presidential debate," McInturfff said.
McInturff noted that the self-identification margins have not been greater than five points in any of the presidential elections since Ronald Reagan was re-elected in 1984. "We don't know what it's going to be in 2008. And I wish I had the revealed wisdom of God to know what it would be," McInturff said -- but he's confident it won't be minus-16 for the GOP.
That said, McInturff did concede that party I.D. numbers were unpredictable for this fall, because voter turnout is shaping up to be higher than it's ever been in modern memory: "Historic voting models don't project to 125 million-plus people."















Hey! Thanks for calling my attention to this poll!
Looks to me like you guys are getting your ass kicked!
September 24, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think Team McCain is paranoid that he's going to stop looking competitive and if that happens the bottom might fall out, especially if looks more and more desperate. I do hope that Team Obama does not get complacent and does not let up, especially during the debates because Johnny Mac is going to come out swinging. Now is the time to bury McCain, if possible.
September 24, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I do hope that Team Obama does not get complacent and does not let up, especially during the debates because Johnny Mac is going to come out swinging
Yes. The McCain campaign released a series of false ads, called out by the media, when McCain was leading or tied in the national polls. Now that his campaign is slipping, expect the attacks to be extremely vicious and disgusting.
September 24, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Kitchen Sink: The Sequel" is coming to a television near you!
September 24, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Which is exactly what most of the undecideds don't want to see. They want answers not mud slinging.
September 24, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
But do you have any doubt that McCain will resort to this strategy when all others have been exhausted?
September 24, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
No doubt he will, but at best it will cause one (if not more) to go to Obama for every one he pulls in.
September 24, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
September 24, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Definite sign of alarm.
They're busily trying to make sure that conventional wisdom doesn't solidify behind Obama the way that "Voters just want to have a beer with Bush" did in 2000.
They're busily trying to frame the "the media is biased towards Obama" narrative (utterly laughable, given the history of McCain and the media) at the same time.
And also trying to burnish Palin's pathetic foreign policy credentials with the speed-dating approach.
And, finally, trying to stomp down the Rick Davis story.
All in all, the McCain campaign is trying to do a lot of things right now, and that can't be good for the campaign: too unfocused and reactionary.
Which is just the way I like to see them.
September 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
I said weeks ago when McCain first picked Palin, and everyone was flipping out that the McCain campaign had just officially lost control of their own narrative, while Obama had cemented his. They have been in reactionary mode ever since, while Obama has slowly and deliberately become the calm and reassuring candidate in the face of McCain's floundering.
This would have been much more difficult without McCain's Palin gamble, so I thank him.
September 24, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup. I love the scent of desperation in the air.
September 24, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bob Dylan should write a new song for MccCain called "Desperation Row"
September 24, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
And they're also trying to get ready for the first debate, happening this Friday.
Will it get better for McCain? Don't think so.
September 24, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Eric you could at least correct the fact that they are using the numbers (16) with leaners. without is 10, which is exactly what people think it is right now. Why just reprint what they say word by word without any cogent--and based on reality!--analysis?
September 24, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is funny, they just changed the headline from "Poll shows Obama up by 9" to "McCain Campaign Panics Because Poll Shows Obama Up By 9".
September 24, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is it 9 or 11?
Eric says 53%-42%
September 24, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's 52-43. Eric has the numbers wrong.
September 24, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
This argument is bullshit and the WAPO data demonstrates it. When McCain was leading in this very same poll by two points, the likely voter breakdown was: 35(D), 26(R), 33(I). Compared to: 36(D), 26(R), 31(I). I can't imagine the one point increase in self-identifying Democrats resulted in the huge swing in this poll.
This underscores just how scared shitless the McCain campaign is right now. As someone said a couple of days ago, their internals must be atrocious.
September 24, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Scared shitless is right.
September 24, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
these R's are so full of it, they can never puge it all.
While I agree they are scared, they will never be sh*tless...
September 24, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think they're disputing the "lean Democrat" vs "lean Republican" numbers.
"Lean Democrat" went from 38% on 9/07 to 46% on 9/22:
It's a not very strong argument, frankly.
September 24, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was going to post those numbers as well, but it would seem to me that they would need to challenge the WAPO's methodology of identifying D/R/I as a whole. The entire methodolgy is based on self-identification.
Frankly, there argument amounts to: the respondents were lying. That's it. To me, that argument could be used to invalidate every unfavorable poll.
Weak sauce.
September 24, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
So the numbers of people who strongly identify haven't changed. The leaners are indicating which party they identify with currently, and of course, each party is embodied by their presidential candidate. The fact that leaners (not solid partisans) are switching to Dem confirms the topline results rather than discredit them, since it means people who don't identify strongly with either party (i.e., independents) are momentarily identifying as Democrats because of Obama. The numbers don't favor Obama because the ID is disproportionately Dem, the ID (is disproportionately Dem because the electorate favors Obama.
September 24, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice analysis.
Take THAT, McCainiacs.
September 24, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
exactly but then there is a question with the word leaning, and then the id number to dems jumps, this means that more indies are identifying as dems when pushed to lean one way or the other. The McCain camp is using this number, the one with leaners, to discredit the poll. And I would like to see Eric acknowledge that instead of simply repeating this bs from their camp without context.
September 24, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Denial is an accurate indicator of a diseased mind!
September 24, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, it's a pretty low level defense. A very primitive defense. And it simply does not work in an emergency!
September 24, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't the WSJ/ MSNBC poll due out today? That will be an interesting addition to the conversation, no doubt.
September 24, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
there are tons of polls that will be coming out and they will all show Obama will a solid lead.
he has had a fantastic week. the economy is #1 issue
September 24, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good. Let them keep denying reality. Reality has its own ways of catching up.
September 24, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the poll is an outlier as well.
It's not a 9 pt lead. It's more like 7.
September 24, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Even if it is 7, that is a 9 pt swing in 2 weeks and the more disturbing facts for McSame is the internals on how Obama is now viewed himself and on a variety of issues by he voters...it ain't pretty but neither are McCain and Palin's lies, ads et al the last 2 weeks.....remember 9 days ago....
"The fundamentals of the economy are strong"... John Sidney McCain
Annapolis Class of 1958
class rank 794/799...
September 24, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
What liars.
The breakout is 38 28. Thats the comparison to the HISTORIC numbers. Its 10. Not 16. 10 is WELL WITHIN historic ranges. Assholes.
Oh, wait, you are referencing the 48 28 number that is the result of asking Independents to choose a party. A question that has no relation to historic numbers. Oh, I see. Well in that case lets just reference the number of coffee drinkers vs tea drinkers to make our fucking case.
These guys are so blatant in their mangling of the truth - that it honestly astonishes me. Someone please - call them out on their bullshit.
September 24, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can't help laughing about this. If the poll is an outlier it will prove out over the next week, but McCain will still have gone crying to Mommy. If the poll is accurate then McCain will still have gone crying to Mommy. Yeah that's who America needs in the White House, a Momma's boy. Another thing, outlier or not the poll supports the general trend toward Obama whether it is accurate or not.
September 24, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. The McCain campaign can only go to certain wells a couple of times, and then that line of defense is useless, because it will be perceived as crying wolf.
They're at that point, now, with the hysterical complaints about the Times, and with this discussion of polls, and with the supposedly "sexist" treatment of Palin.
This week is turning out to be as bad as last week: the McCain campaign is scrambling all over the place, and there is no coherent message coming from them, just like last week. Contrast the Obama campaign with this.
September 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup. Lately, McCain comes off as a whiner. Americans despise whiners. On top of that, McCain has well and truly pissed off the media at this point. Stand back for a second and just listen the general tenor of media election coverage at present. Consider it as you would the general mood of a song, or perhaps a painting. What I hear is this: McCain is an Asshole - Obama is Serious.
September 24, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's dismissal of the media and Palin's witness protection plan bubble give them no cred to whine with the media....the little boy has cried wolf once too often...what was that about Rick Davis and his lobbying ties????
September 24, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
we are winning. it might be 2 points, or 9 points.
doesn't matter, we are winning and the bottom line is WE MUST HOLD THE LEAD and get OUR voters out to the polls.
everyone posting on here must help out on election day. lets get people OUT.
call your local dem office or call up the obama team/sign up online. do something, anything to get voters out and make sure they vote straight D
September 24, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. I'm taking election day off to do what is necessary. TPM should be a ghost town on Nov 4 and a party on Nov 5!
September 24, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Daily Kos has McCain gaining 2 points today in his Obama-skewed poll down to a 4-point gap behind Obama and Kos has the highest Dem ID margin (9 points) of any of the daily trackers (most of which have a 5-point Dem ID margin). So even KOs can tell you the Washington Post poll is garbage.
If Obama were actually 9 points ahead (doing 11 points better than Kerry), Obama would be ahead in OH by 9 and in FL by 6 and in MN by 14 but the state polls show nothing of the sort.
The RCP average (including the Post poll) is around O + 3 and that sounds about right.
September 24, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is factually incorrect.
Gallup also uses D+9. And they have O+3.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/110617/Democrats-ReEstablish-DoubleDigit-Lead-Party-Affiliation.aspx
September 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
And today Obama gained in Rasmussen and Hotline. So what's your point?
September 24, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
And Survey USA has Obama jumping to +11 in WA, so his gains can be seen as partly making solid blue states really blue, just as much of McCain gain in the polls after Palin/convention was to make some solid red states really red.
September 24, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
the research 2000/kos poll actually is very accurate and if anything more skewed to the republicans. their polls of ID, MO, KS, NC actually favor McCain more than survey USA> look up the polls yourself if you dont believe me
and secondly did u think this abc poll was garbage 3 weeks ago after the RNC convention when they had mcbush winning by 2 points?
the bottom line is obama is winning. you better hope for something major happening if mcbush is to catch up. remember in 2004 bush led kerry by 4-5 points going into the debates (similar to what we see now) and Kerry blew bush away and only was able to make up a point or two.
and i dont see mcbush beating obama in the debates. obama will hammer him for voting with bush 90% of the time over and over.
September 24, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh just give it up. I realize your mission from your masters at McPowlin Central is to pretend to be on our side and try to sew fear, uncertainty and doubt, but your (real) side is getting its ass kicked and your attempt to try to spin that into something that still looks like a race is just sad.
September 24, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is up double digits in Iowa and New Mexico, states Kerry lost. Overall, the state polls probably aren't quite in line with a 9 point national lead (and the trackers are obviously closer than 9 points), but my point is that you are cherry picking states, when (obviously) Obama is performing better than Kerry in some states and worse in others. Also keep in mind that most state polls were not taken as recently as this poll, and Obama may have gained quite a bit in the past couple of days as the economy moves front and center. This poll in particular shows the number of voters who rate the economy as their top concern rising from 37% two weeks ago to 50%. Obama also increased his advantage over McCain on the economy from 47-42 to 53-39. While it is possible that they got an unrepresentative sample in terms of people's views of the economy, the numbers do fit logically with recent developments. We'll have to wait and see whether the state polls catch up to the national numbers.
September 24, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, Dr. Zaius...I'm still waiting for those really bad polls from Rasmussen (wasn't it?)that you were predicting the other day.
September 24, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well all of you who were looking for this silly ape yesterday have had your wishes answered. Here is Zaius.
Have at him!
September 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Progressive Pile!
September 24, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
For everyone who missed it a couple months back - please read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=1&ref=magazine&oref=slogin
September 24, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wish he would just shut the fuck up.
I hated his character in the movie too; the perfect Republican.
September 24, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heh, how cute. *pets the McCain camp* Panic looks pretty funny on them.
September 24, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
They don't have a clue. There is no model for this election. I will say this until y'all yell at me to stop - since I've said so many times - but goddamn, I saw this happen with my own eyes on primary night in Texas.
Where 500 people showed up to vote in '04 in my precinct, there were almost 2000 of us on primary night - about 1200 were there for Obama and the rest were there for Hillary.
In Oak Cliff, where voter turnout has always been wretched, because it's ethnic and there has been voter suppression for dec ades, one precinct, people - 58 total votes in '04. On primary night 4000 people showed up. For Obama.
September 24, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I think the polls just aren't capturing the reality of the political situation just because so many things are different this year. The polls aren't able to consider ground game and don't know how to transfer enthusiasm into the final numbers. While I think we all need to fight like we are 9 points behind, I secretly suspect that this will be a landslide for Obama.
September 24, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
WALL STREET's RECKONING!
(Yet, it Took 10 Years to Raise MinWage $1.00)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S27yitK32ds
"Rule one: Rush the decision. Time the game to fall in the week before Congress is set to adjourn and just 6 weeks before an historic election so your opponents will be preoccupied, pressured, distracted, and in a hurry.
Rule two: Disarm the public through fear. Warn that the entire global financial system will collapse and the world will fall into another Great Depression. Control the media enough to ensure that the public will not notice this. Bailout will indebt them for generations, taking from them trillions of dollars they earned and deserve to keep.
Rule three: Control the playing field and set the rules. Hide from the public and most of the Congress just who is arranging this deal. Communicate with the public through leaks to media insiders. Limit any open congressional hearings. Communicate with Congress via private teleconferencing calls. Heighten political anxiety by contacting each political party separately. Treat Members of Congress condescendingly, telling them that the matter is so complex that they must rely on those few insiders who really do know what's going on!"
September 24, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually even the Obama campaign agrees that the WAPO poll is an outlier...
http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/09/poll_panic.html
I would also like to suggest that this year polls will matter very little. We just don't know what will happen. There are too many "firsts" and too much volatility in the electorate...
September 24, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
That totally flies in the face of everything I've posted here and it also flies in the face of what I know to be the reality.
And I know it - turnout was high during the primary, but this country ain't seen nothing yet. It's going to be astounding.
September 24, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Even if it is +5/6 (low end of the MOE) a 7/8 point swing would be huge movement, but that mirrors the trackers since the Republican National POW Shout Out and Obama Bash Fest...
September 24, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't David Plouffe contest the WaPo post when McCain was ahead?
September 24, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm pretty sure he just said they don't pay much attention to national polls, not that it was inaccurate. That statement had the advantage of being true -- state polls are the only ones that are actually useful for gauging the state of the race, so no competent presidential campaign worries much about the national polls.
Which makes it all the more bizarre that a McCain spokesman is out there whining about this one.
September 24, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
All of this proves my theory of the mcShame campaign. They have only two strategies: Lie & Cry (wolf).
This is the Crying Phase...
September 24, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oops... Third Strategy has emerged: Sequestration.
September 24, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now Marist (not the strongest pollsters) has Obama up +6 in NH. Ras will be coming out with NH later today, so it will be interesting to see how it lines up with Marist's.
September 24, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
If he wins NH, I'll be thrilled! That's where my right-wing brother in law will have to eat crow!
September 24, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Ras has McCain +2 (within the margin of error)
NH is still anyone's call.
September 24, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
The night is young, so to speak. The wave is just beginning to curl nicely.
September 24, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once again, facts and logic don't sit well with the McCain camp.
September 24, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
When USelessAToday/Gallup put McCain up by 10 points, 54-44, the Obama team didn't panic. I believe they were asked about it and they responded calmly, but didn't make a big deal about it.
The McCain camp is really starting to get into Nixonian paranoia now. They've caged Palin, have legal teams in Alaska trying to stomp out all the new fires that are starting there, they refuse to even let their surrogates answer questions on Palingate, and they blame the press for pointing out their own scandals and lies. It's just them, Fox News, and hate radio now -- circling the wagons against the world.
And all this without a single mention yet of Keating 5 or McCain covering up his wife's stealing from her charity to fund her drug habit. If the press really does take a dislike to McCain -- and it is a distinct possibility now -- look for those stories to enter the news cycle a few times.
As I said yesterday -- this election would be fun and interesting were the consequences not so dire.
September 24, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Bill McInturff"
this is snark, right?
September 24, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
The pushback from the McCain camp is odd and disingenuous. McInturff targets the party ID numbers, but if you look at the internals, they're nearly identical to the last ABC/WaPo poll. If this one is an outlier on the grounds of party ID, then what about the last poll? Was the last poll, the one that had McCain up 49 to 47, but with nearly identical part ID numbers, an outlier, too?
Also, this pushback reminds me a lot of what happened to the Seltzer poll that was done in Iowa before the Iowa caucuses. The line was essentially: "There's no way that people would turnout in those numbers on election day!" Well, guess what, they did.
Sure, we have a long way (in political time) to go, and anything can happen, and no one knows what the final turnout will be, but one thing is clear: People are starting to trust, and even prefer, Obama's ability to lead. That's a bad sign for McCain anyway they try to spin it.
September 24, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just wait. I hope the precinct judges and election officials in all the states are ready for this, though I don't think anyone is really ready for this.
I truly believe voter turnout is going to be astronomical.
September 24, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
When USelessAToday/Gallup put McCain up by 10 points, 54-44, the Obama team didn't panic. I believe they were asked about it and they responded calmly, but didn't make a big deal about it.
The McCain camp is really starting to get into Nixonian paranoia now. They've caged Palin, have legal teams in Alaska trying to stomp out all the new fires that are starting there, they refuse to even let their surrogates answer questions on Palingate, and they blame the press for pointing out their own scandals and lies. It's just them, Fox News, and hate radio now -- circling the wagons against the world.
And all this without a single mention yet of Keating 5 or McCain covering up his wife's stealing from her charity to fund her drug habit. If the press really does take a dislike to McCain -- and it is a distinct possibility now -- look for those stories to enter the news cycle a few times.
As I said yesterday -- this election would be fun and interesting were the consequences not so dire.
September 24, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
List of Signals that the McCain-Palin camp is scared shitless:
1. Call the polls BS.
2. Blame the media for everything.
3. Keep hiding Palin from questioning.
4. Continued use of lies even if they have been discredited by the press.
5. They start investing in states they once took for granted (NC, IN, FL, etc.)
6. 527 are using the Wright card already.
7. They keep stealing the slogans and themes of Obama's campaign.
8. More trolls with stupid arguments keep showing in sites like TPM to try to demoralize us.
9. Try to stop high voting registration and turnout in some states.
10.They don't know what to say about the economy.
The prognosis can't be more certain: They are scared shitless!
September 24, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
You forgot one.
11. McCain attempts to morph into a populist corporate regulator. Claims his father worked at a mill.
September 24, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks.
September 24, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know I've been thinking about all those high-powered lawyers who were dispatched to Alaska - who's paying for them? That's millions of dollars right there - those guys charge up to $300 an hour for their time and more.
September 24, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
The "legal compliance fund" that the McCain campaign has been soliciting donations for. (Actually, probably the RNC.)
September 24, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wondered about that briefly.
I know the McLame Campaign doesn't have all that much in their war chest - what they have could be wiped out in lawyer's fees if everyone was demanding to be paid up front. But I suspect they have some kind of deal going -
September 24, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
The lawyers are in violation of AK laws. O'Donaghue is on record multiple times about giving advice and counsel to the main lawyer Tom Flein. He and his team are not members of the AK bar and as such their advice is illegal...this will be another interesting thread from Mooselini land.
September 24, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm. That is interesting. Who *is* paying for them? Unless the McCain camp is cutting checks to pay for them, would there not be a question of compliance with campaign finance law here? I suppose one could argue that Palin's legal problems and McCain's Campaign problems are not necessarily one and the same, though they tend to dovetail.
September 24, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would assume McCain is and as such the story of illegal activity up there simply adds another stain to the story...
Check out the Mudflats Blog up there. They are all over this:
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/
Comments are worth following esp from locals. People are pissed off up there over McCain hijacking the state govt.
September 24, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/09/poll_panic.html
The Obama campaign is also expressing doubts about the poll.
September 24, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because Plouffe and Obama are smarter than shit.
They keep this expectations pretty low and it's working.
September 24, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ladies and gentleman, welcome to the expectations game. They kept expectations low when they were down two, and they did the same when they are up 9. Damn I love how cool and collected that campaign is.
September 24, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ayr that is calle playind down expectations and it is a canny and savy tactic that usually the oxygen thieves use well. It once again shows the political acumen of Obama's camp.
September 24, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why are they stressing over one poll?
Both camps should just act as if they are 10 points down and work hard to win. Whining over one poll does no good.
One thing I like about the Obama camp is that they never whined when they were down or celebrated when they were up. They have been steady steady steady.
They know that this is a dogfight and they are going up against Karl Rove. They are acting as if this thing is tight tight tight and thus IT'S THE GROUND GAME STUPID!!!
September 24, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mini ground game report: We went down a long street last night registering voters. Many said they were registered. We got four registrations filled out. Kept finding our fliers in doors of homes for sale. Finally got to the end of the street when a guy called out, "You people have been down our street three or four times already!"
We're now at the point where we have to hunt for uncovered territory.
September 24, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am working the 20th ward of St Louis city and we are in the same predicament. Mind you, I have found that you have to cover the same block 3 or 4 times in order to make contact with everyone on the block, so the fact that one is repeating a block does not necessarily indicate that one is just uselessly spinning one's wheels. Still and all, I am getting the feeling in recent weeks that we have already picked all of the low hanging fruit and that we are either going to have to 1) work much harder over the next two weeks (until the registration deadline in Missouri) to keep up the same productivity as we have maintained over the last month or else 2) resign ourselves to the idea that we are only going to squeeze a few dozen more registrations out of the next two weeks.
September 24, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another day, another instance of Jim Geraghty and his NRO fellows clamping their hands over their ears and singing "la, la, la, I can't hear you..."
Mind you, I am not sure that I really believe that this poll (or any other) is exactly accurate, but the lengths to which the McCainiacs are willing to go to sustain the belief that they are holding tight grows more amusing by the hour.
September 24, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I liked this:
Translation: Dear God in Heaven we are royally screwed if the voters show up in the same proportion as the voter ID split. Screwed.
September 24, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
The poll that really matters...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10
Obama 273, McCain 265 in the electoral college poll of polls. And this is with Obama losing Virginia, Ohio, and Florida. This projection has not changed since 8/24.
Voted for Barack yesterday, sent him $50 a little while ago. Cautiously optimistic!
September 24, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you realize that Realclearpolitics is a rightwing site.
;)
September 24, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Historic voting models" just don't apply, any more than historic economic models...
September 24, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope, they don't.
There is no model for this election.
September 24, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
1776, maybe...
September 24, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever. What this really reminds me of is that long, panic stricken memo that Mark Penn sent out right before the Iowa Caucuses screaming about how ridiculously inept Des Moine Register poll was for showing unrealistically large percentages of young people and first time caucus goers turning out. And then after they got their asses handed to them in exactly the way the Register Poll predicted, he came back and basically said, yeah, I was flat out lying. Our internals showed exactly the same thing but we had to either attack the truth or admit we were about to get shellacked.
So, wonder what McPowlin's internals are telling him these days? Obama may not be doing national polling, but McPowlin's whole strategy is premised upon the assumption that if he gets the national vote to some magic number north of 50%, he'll win without worrying about individual states, so you can bet they are.
September 24, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo.
September 24, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great get on this one. Perfect.
They think they can work the refs but everyone is seeing thru that now....the little boy has cried wolf too often....Rick Davis anyone???
September 24, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
WTF is this guy talking about the party affiliations were 38-28, up from 38 - 26 on 9/7 when McCain was +2 in this same poll.
That difference is 1 point max of the 9 point lead...
Per the poll article:
"Partisanship has not significantly changed.
Among registered voters 38 percent in this poll identify themselves as Democrats, 28 percent as Republicans and 29 percent as independents. That's very similar to what it was in the last ABC News/Washington Post poll -- 36-28-32 percent -- the previous one, and indeed the average all year, 38-28-30 percent.
What's changed, instead, is the preference among independents, one of those swing voter groups to watch closely in the next 40 days."
September 24, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
2 things:
- Obama's campaign has its own internal pollsters;so does the McIIIrd/Wisilla Witch campaign
- Regardless of what the polls say, we must continue to fight until all polls are closed and all ballots are accurately counted.
Period!
September 24, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
All these polls are sexist obviously.
September 24, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Watch Iowa's poll numbers right up to the election... the national numbers will eventually match them.
Anyone else gettng a bit suspicious of Rassmussen? Seems they are consistently bent rightward lately.
Probably no one more than Rass and Zog NEED a protracted "close" race. When the gap widens to 10 points, the public simply stops seeking out the polls for perspective.
September 24, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rasmussen has changed their party ID to reflect more Republicans that's why it tilts right-ward. The reason why Rasmussen did that because he said there has been more GOP "enthusiasm" because of Palin.
Thus I have been taking Rasmussen numbers with a grain of salt.
September 24, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eh. It could very well be an outlier. The issue is the fact that the McCain camp. felt the need to respond to it. That fact alone validates the poll more so than if they hadn't. One has to suspect that their internals could very well be telling them a similar story as this poll, which is precisely why they're so up-in-arms to debunk the results.
September 24, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've been desperately waiting for this 1st debate, now it's time to bury McShame once and for all.
I don't except less than a very good debate from Barack, with McShame put on defense, forced to justify his shameless and poor judgment over the past 8 years...
Barack, this is your moment, hit him hard in order to make him appear foolish in front national tv.
The McCampaign is deeply and so desperately panicked that they still wanna convinced themselves that these polls are accurate, but for them and not for Barack lol !
September 24, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just saw Fox News come out with a poll which showed Obama up by 6%. I guess that must also be bogus.
September 24, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dear Mr. Magoo:
Good News: This poll is an outlier
Bad News: You are an out and out liar
Worse News: Nearly all polls show Obama with a lead, and amongst some polls that haven't always favored him, the lead seems to be growing still.
September 24, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Panicking over one poll??!! The bottom must be starting to fall out.
September 24, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that just about sums it up. Excellent analysis.
September 24, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is like the Edwards' camp response after the Iowa Daily Register poll that showed Obama in the lead, and that projected a 200,000 turnout instead of the 140,000 turnout the Edwards' camp was predicting. "There is nothing in the history to support that projection," they said then.
"There is nothing in the history to support that projection," the Republicans are saying now.
And that's the point, motherfuckers.
September 24, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
McInturff noted that the self-identification margins have not been greater than five points in any of the presidential elections since Ronald Reagan was re-elected in 1984. "We don't know what it's going to be in 2008. And I wish I had the revealed wisdom of God to know what it would be," McInturff said -- but he's confident it won't be minus-16 for the GOP.
I agree with this asshat
there is NO WAY the spread is plus 16 for the democrats
that number is WAAAAAYYYYY tooooooo LOW
last I saw, it was 51% Democrats to 28% repuglitards
so the spread should be closer to TWENTY THREE PERCENT
but that might change, our bunny pants presnit is down to a 19% popularity rating
if the repuglitard brand was dog food, store owners would be taking it off the shelves
September 24, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now us democrats need to STOP BEING HYPOCRITS. If this poll showed McCain up the first thing we would look at is the crosstabs and if they show a skewed Party ID we would be in an uproar. We DEFINITELY have a party id advantage of probably 5-10 points but 16 is a stretch folkes.
September 24, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
After I read some of the comments above I will politely tell myself to SHUT THE HELL UP.
September 24, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
John Dickerson from Slate was pushing the mccain poll on NPR today. Dickerson was on the Clinton bus both literally and figuratively and has been very critical of Obama. My guess is that he's probably not a wild Mccain supporter, but he really doesn't like Obama.
September 24, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
magoo just took his dog food off the shelf
un fookin believable
you just can't satirize these fuckin clowns
they can't satirize these fuckin clowns
September 24, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink