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McCain Campaign: Palin's 17-Year-Old Daughter Is Pregnant

Stranger and stranger:

The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.

Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin's five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said.

There's also this:

Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter's pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way.

McCain knew! Who says Palin wasn't thoroughly vetted?

Late Update: Here's the statement from the Palins:

"We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us. Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support.

"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi's privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates."


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and stranger and stranger.

and stranger and stranger...

In a flurry of discussion with several others last night... all the while, not ONE media outlet reporting on this stuff... it was surmised that the GOP would use this as a way to claim victimization.

Here's the quote today:

"The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,'" a senior aide said.


Got that, now? It wasn't worthy of actual news coverage, but by Monday morning, it was serious enough to have a cover story AND a slam on Obama out on it.

The MSM refused to touch it, so "liberal bloggers" did the legwork. Now, conveniently, the whole scandal seems to be about the "liberal bloggers".

I keep thinking about "Rathergate", and all the similar skepticism the MSM showed toward "conservative bloggers".

I agree with you completely -- see all the "pretend concern" about this over here by folks posting on this site for the first time today:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/08/water-breakgate-8312008-new-an.php

Same thing over on Kos. This is, at best, a weird story that does nothing to help Democrats win. At worst, it's a staged controversy to get liberals to look like they're attacking a pregnant 17-year-old and turn Palin into a hero for the culture warriors.

Either way, this does nothing to help us win the election.

But the Muslim rumors were not despicable? Wow, there is not limit to the extremism these people will go to in their lies, i.e. most Republican talking heads.

I agree with you completely -- see all the "pretend concern" about this over here by folks posting on this site for the first time today:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/08/water-breakgate-8312008-new-an.php

Same thing over on Kos. This is, at best, a weird story that does nothing to help Democrats win. At worst, it's a staged controversy to get liberals to look like they're attacking a pregnant 17-year-old and turn Palin into a hero for the culture warriors.

Either way, this does nothing to help us win the election.

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The liberal blogs are not really the echo chamber that has been driving this rumor. Do a google search for Bristol Palin and you'll see who has been driving it -- the celebrity gossip blogs who love any rumors concerning pregnancy and lies. The rumor was alive and kicking in Alaska before anybody else had any interest in the subject, meanwhile -- it found the liberal blogs, the liberal blogs didn't create it.

The McCain campaign made a calculation that they could get away with blaming the rumor on DailyKos because they thought a lazy national press would reprint their accusation without seriously examining it (irony alert!).

I can't decide whether this further ascent of the Palin's toward ultimate white-trash apotheosis helps or hurts them with the mass of the electorate.

Sadly, the Palin parents threw over their pregnant daughter just to change the subject everyone was passing around, ie the rumor that the daughter was the actual mother of the Trig. this rumor was ballooning so to salvage that, the Veep candidate told the entire world her daughter was pregnant. For me, they could kick me off of any ticket rather than for me to expose to the whole world that my daughter was pregnant out of wedlock. That fact was hers to tell. How selfish of these parents.

I concur totally!

How is it despicable if the rumor turns out to be true?

Another testament to the right-wing position that abstinence-only education works.

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What the hell? This proves all the people who were claiming that Bristol was the mother of Trig were wrong, and probably crazy as well.

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Actually it proves nothing of the sort. The timing of this leak is very very suspicious. I wonder why McCain would release this information, destroying this girl's privacy, except as part of a cynical ploy to distract everyone from the rumors swirling around the identity of family member Trig.

Remember, it was McCain who divulged the fact that Bristol is pregnant.

can we fire mccain's "vetting team" and replace them with bloggers

Palin,”I would choose life” If Her Daughter Was Raped

Sure, sure he knew...

Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said.

I call BS.

http://pufferfish.typepad.com/

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Dems need to stay the hell away from this. They're obviously using the storm to cover it up, but there's a smart strategy to deal with it:

http://strategy08.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/a-quick-note-about-all-the-palin-family-news-today/

Come on! Are you buying ANY of this? AT ALL?

NO?!? Then, why the hell is it off-limits?!?!?

Because it's delicate? Because it's dangerous to talk about? Because it's "just not right"?

Is that how journalism is done, now? Is that how "we" fight back the most totalitarian government our republic has ever
known??

If you don't want to answer any of those more philosophical questions... ANSWER THIS ONE:

DOES BRISTOL'S SUDDENLY-REVEALED PREGNANCY NEGATE SO MUCH AS **ONE** QUESTION ABOUT SARAH PALIN'S CONDUCT DURING HER OWN ALLEGED PREGNANCY?

Does this explain her giving speeches while leaking; the refusal to go for immediate medical attention; the 22 hours on airplanes with broken water; the insistence upon landing and then travelling to freakin' Wasilla to have this baby??? Etc. etc. etc?

Come to think of it...

Did the universal media disgust at the New York Times' mere mention of Vicky Iseman explain McCain's extraordinary lobbying efforts on behalf of Comcast?

Did the claim of "kerning" (?) explain where the hell George Bush was, during his TANG time?

In each case, a big distraction and show of Outrage [tm] quashed any investigation, when the Republicans didn't want anyone going there.

Get hep to the jive, my friends!

Come on! Are you buying ANY of this? AT ALL?

NO?!? Then, why the hell is it off-limits?!?!?

Because it's delicate? Because it's dangerous to talk about? Because it's "just not right"?

Is that how journalism is done, now? Is that how "we" fight back the most totalitarian government our republic has ever
known??

If you don't want to answer any of those more philosophical questions... ANSWER THIS ONE:

DOES BRISTOL'S SUDDENLY-REVEALED PREGNANCY NEGATE SO MUCH AS **ONE** QUESTION ABOUT SARAH PALIN'S CONDUCT DURING HER OWN ALLEGED PREGNANCY?

Does this explain her giving speeches while leaking; the refusal to go for immediate medical attention; the 22 hours on airplanes with broken water; the insistence upon landing and then travelling to freakin' Wasilla to have this baby??? Etc. etc. etc?

Come to think of it...

Did the universal media disgust at the New York Times' mere mention of Vicky Iseman explain McCain's extraordinary lobbying efforts on behalf of Comcast?

Did the claim of "kerning" (?) explain where the hell George Bush was, during his TANG time?

In each case, a big distraction and show of Outrage [tm] quashed any investigation, when the Republicans didn't want anyone going there.

Get hep to the jive, my friends!

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Agree, rule number one in politics is if your opponent is imploding, stay away and let it happen. Calling any additional attention to it just make them look like victims.

I do wonder though, do Romney and Huckabee combined (plus supers?) have enough delegates to take control of convention where a significant number of delegates are absent? At the press conference yesterday they were concerned enough to consult with the parliamentarian as to whether they had a quorum (which for the RNC seems to be 50%+1) do Huck, Mitt and Supers make up more than a majority of number, I'd expect so.

McCain needs to get Palin to withdraw and get either Huck or Mitt on the ticket to get his ship righted.

The McCain campaign actually was encouraged by the pregnancy, as this will give Palin instant Grandma credibility, working to eliminate talk of their age difference. GRAMS AND GRAMPS '08!!
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Now, here's the follow-up question: Gov. Palin, would you have supposed your daughter had she decided not to keep her baby?

And if so, why won't you extend that right to other mother's daughters?

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If Palin wanted to knock down the rumors of the fake pregnancy, why didn't she just release doctor records, birth certificate, etc? Why did she drag her 17 year-old daughter out like this and put her under the spotlight? Because there's something else going on here, folks! Don't be distracted! Sarah Palin was not pregnant in 2008. She did not give birth to Trig.

Yes, and besides, it's okay for the Repubs to drag their pregnant and Down's Syndrome kids out as props in a political campaign... but just you "liberal bloggers" try so much as raising the subject!!

This was beginning to leak out yesterday. Apparently everyone in Wasilla knew. Bristol was wearing an engagement ring at the roll-out speech, and carrying Trig in such a way as to conceal her abdomen.

I think Obama should stay away from this as much as possible. We also should avoid demeaning or judgmental remarks -- children are off limits.

I don't think it's unfair, however, to speculate in a respectful way about the effect on the race, if any.

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We also should avoid demeaning or judgmental remarks -- children are off limits.

Don't hold your breath.

What is fair game is how the adults in this handled the situation. I mean, did they say to her "Bristol, dear, hold your brother so that it covers your stomach. We don't want the world to know about your 'condition.'" That is sick.

Come on, come on. It would have been distracting at the roll-out to have everyone talking about the bump.

Let the church ladies of the right do the clucking. I have nothing against this family. They've got chutzpah.

I'm thinking of Bristol here, who is probably a bit traumatized about this even before her mom went national. The whole time she was standing there she had to be thinking "can't show my condition." They could have least played she's not here she's sick card. But they rolled her out for the world to see Sarah big family.

Chutzpah! I agree, this is rough on Bristol. Some people are going to take that criticism even further then you do -- one of her neighbors in Wasilla has apparently taken the line "how could she run for VP, when she knew it would throw the spotlight on poor Bristol?"

But I say screw it. That kind of judgment isn't what we should be doing on the left. So, the girl's eggo is preggo. What's the big deal, homeskillet?

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What's the big deal, homeskillet?

Geez, have you been overdosing on multivitamins in the last couple of days? You've been hysterical. In a good, no, GREAT way, of course. : )

Yeah, I don't think she have not run for VP based on Bristol, but they could have made a statement early on, away from the cameras, that would have said that they proud of her and to respect her privacy. The only reason I can figure not to do that is that they thought they might be able to hide it until after the elections. Now it has the tone of "scandal" and "this just revealed..." Just more poor decision making which in this case adversely affects a 17 year old.

Can't. Stop. Laughing.

Exactly. I really pity this poor girl, who has such an extremist and power monger for mother and father. How many more skeletons in the closet ? Will the repugs brazen it out this one too ?

It's interesting that they revealed this not because it happens to be true and that their proud of their daughter (which they're probably not) but to "tap down rumors." Where they planning on hiding it until after the elections?

The VP debates would have been interesting with a visibly showing Bristol in the audience.

But I thought the Republicans were about family values.

The first thing I would say about the effect on the race is this: this will add to the impression that McCain may not have vetted his pick very carefully.

Does anyone recally the apologetic comment to NYT over the weekend, to the effect that "we vetted Sarah and Todd on a surface level, but not other members of the Palin family."

That would suggest that McCain may NOT have known.

It also gets them off topic. They're not talking about taking on the old boys network, they're deflecting comments about this.

It also gets them off topic. They're not talking about taking on the old boys network, they're deflecting comments about this.

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Aaaahhhhh, now I get it.

This news certainly clears up the entire picture. Nothing more to see here. Move along now....c'mon, just move along.

I thought this was a joke, but it's real?

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Um, I'm all for being respectful, and not piling on a pregnant 17 year old, but can you imagine the reaction had it been the 17 year old daughter of Obama that made this announcement?

The religious right has to be torn by this. Young teenage mother to be, keeping the baby, but she had sex outside of marriage...

Hmmmm. Abstinence only education, anyone?

And, how much money does anyone want to bet that the wingnutters will dig deep to connect this decision with what Obama said about not wanting his daughters to have to go through a teenage pregnancy?

The tapdancing should be something awesome to see.

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Um, I'm all for being respectful, and not piling on a pregnant 17 year old, but can you imagine the reaction had it been the 17

Uh, yes.

And since her mother doesn't believe in sex education at all - ever - or abortion even if Bristol was raped (and she said so, publicly) then I'm afraid that this is big news.

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There must be some reason she said that, too. Also, what are the chances she will "lose" this baby, forcing her to raise her brother as if, you know, her own?

John Eagleton come back. All is forgiven!

... and bring Tom with you.

That is exactly what will happen. In about one month, or maybe a few weeks, there will be an announcement that Bristol has had miscarriage and it's all Obama's fault.

Give me a break. This just stinks to high heaven.

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I know Palin doesn't believe in sex education. What is her view on birth control? Abstinence obviously does not work.

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NO contraception - period. Married couples - none.

Abortion - not even in cases of incest.

NO contraception - period. Married couples - none.

Do you have a reference on this? I've seen claims that she is pro-contraception, although that may be based on http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1837523_1837531_1837538,00.html which cites her membership in "Feminists For Life (FFL), an anti-abortion, pro-contraception organization" which is a mischaracterization, since according to their own website http://www.feministsforlife.org/FAQ/index.htm#contraception "Preconception issues including abstinence and contraception are outside of our mission."

Let's criticize her based on facts. She is pro-contraception.

Palin said last month that no woman should have to choose between her career, education and her child. She is pro-contraception and said she's a member of a pro-woman but anti-abortion group called Feminists for Life. "I believe in the strength and the power of women, and the potential of every human life," she said.
Source: Anchorage Daily News, "Little play," by K. Hopkins Aug 6, 2006

That said, she does support abstinence only until marriage education, no sex-education and no contraception distribution in schools. Here's the responses from the questionnaire during the race for governor.

My favorite response is her top 3 priorities if elected governor:

1. Creating an atmosphere where parents feel welcome to choose the venues of education for their children.
2. Preserving the definition of “marriage” as defined in our constitution.
3. Cracking down on the things that harm family life: gangs, drug use, and infringement of our liberties including attacks on our 2nd Amendment rights.

I think a big questions are "did the McCain camp think they could keep this underwraps until after the election? How stupid are they? Why didn't they just make this known right away? Were they ashamed of Bristol?" The more the Rightwings try to counter-punch the more the big questions stay alive.

I really really feel sorry for her. Her parents and McCain have now made her a national symbol for unwanted teen pregnacy. And the more I think about how it was revealed the nation, rather than being upfront in the beginning, just makes me sick.

The most interesting thing is that this is supposedly in response to some really easy to refute rumors. Instead of rolling out the lady WHO SAT NEXT TO PALIN when she flew home IN LABOR, they popped off with:
"Palin's daughter couldn't be the mother of 'lil Trig - she's knocked up! But don't worry - now that I'm running for VP there will be a shotgun wedding."

McCain has already stuck his strategists trying to sell Alaska's proximity to Russia as foreign policy experience; now they've got to polish up this turkey?

This little lady looks to be the gift that keeps on giving - yup.

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Just release the medical records of her son's birth in April, with a righteous dose of indignation at the depravity of the press.

Problem solved. She gets to prove the rumor mongers wrong, and, bash the media in the process. A twofer.

One wonders why they haven't done it yet. Maybe waiting for the right moment?

How many of those strategists and consultants are banging their heads against the wall right now. "I have to go on television and deal with this? What has McCain done to us?"

Yeah, I agree. That was what I said to my wife last night. If this were Obama, the race would be over right now. Americans are prejudiced hypocrites.

But oh well. Two wrongs don't make a right. And personally -- I think the race is over right now. We've got three hurricanes right in the middle of the Rep. convention: Gustav, Hanna, and Bristol. 'Cause I kind of think the MSM may have something to say about this.

OMG...Can someone say, 'scandal'.

A huge scandal with a life of its own. Dems need not do anything but express sympathy. This is tabloid and Leno territory.

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Agree completely! This is like a Jerry Springer show - you feel dirty just watching it.

This is getting beyond bizarre. Why don't the fundies and evangelical christians ever get investigated properly by the media ?

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I agree the kid should be left out of it.

But shouldn't someone be asking Palin about the efficacy of that "abstinence-only" sex ed she promotes? Seems it didn't work all that well for her own daughter.

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Jenn- see my comment - nothing gets left out.

I mean, nothing.

This woman is against all sex ed, all contraception even for married people, and all abortion even in cases of incest and rape.

Babies are very much this story.

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I guess we could say that Bristol Palin is the poster child for abstinence only education.

A very pregnant Bristol Palin, that is.

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Ooh, ZING!

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Yeah, and the rumor is that this is not her first baby.

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Hey, maybe the 5 months pregnant info was thrown out there to prove she couldn't possibly have given birth to Trig back at the end of April...

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If she's five months along, the baby will be born sometime around New Year's - far too late for anyone to question how far along she actually is. Something here stinks, and this statement doesn't resolve it for me. Forget about the rumors for a sec - Palin's cockamamie tale about how Trig was born is pure bullshit, and that's an opinion I've developed after talking with several friends and associates who are doctors and nurses, some of whom work in OB. She's lying about something in that story, if not all of it. What's more likely - that a 43-year-old woman who's had four kids already has her water break in Texas, gives a speech, departs Texas, travels through a layover in Seattle to arrive in Anchorage, decides then to bypass the two best hospitals in the state to drive 45 minutes to a Wasilla hospital to give birth...or that some part, if not all, of that story is a lie?

But most importantly is this fact: it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Palin wasn't vetted worth a damn. And that, to me, is all I need to know when I make my choice as a voter. What president would we want that simply picks a VP candidate for identity politics, without even knowing him or her?

No vet, no vote.

Palin's cockamamie tale about how Trig was born is pure bullshit,

Bingo. I have five kids (does that qualify me to be VP?), and with my fifth, I went from the first twinge of a contraction to baby-in-arms in less than two hours. Damn near had her on the bathroom floor.

I call bullshit, too.

But most importantly is this fact: it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Palin wasn't vetted worth a damn. And that, to me, is all I need to know when I make my choice as a voter.

Um... were actually considering John McCain? ;^}

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No, but the point remains, and hopefully serves as an example to others that read this blog.

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And what "liberal bloggers" were talking about that pregnancy? There were commenters making noise about it here at EC, but I missed where Josh, Eric and Greg made a post about it.

Aren't they liberal bloggers?

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Daily kos and huffington post and who knows where else.

Andrew Sullivan. Gawker. Buzzfeed. Not exactly liberal. It came out in the LONDON TIMES this morning, so it wasn't just bloggers, either.

Hey, you make a spectacle of yourself and people will talk. Don't blame the bloggers.

Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?

Sarah Palin: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.

Abstinence education seems to work very well.

And she fully supports the licensing of shotguns for the purpose of shotgun marriages.

I have to agree with Alex to an extent. Voters will reach their own conclusions about whether they feel comfortable with the Palin family and how they run their lives. But being president is about showing to the voters that you can keep your shit together. Between getting brothers-in-law fired and teen preganancies, this just seems a bit too Wal-Mart for many voters to view them as presidential material.

Some female moderate voters may already be uncomfortable with Sarah Palin's going back to work right after giving birth and view this new story as further proof she is "not a good mother." To me it's just weird, considering the Down's Syndrome has to make caregiving more difficult.

We're better off, though, spending our time asking why she hates polar bears and the like.

Between getting brothers-in-law fired and teen pregnancies, this just seems a bit too Wal-Mart for many voters to view them as presidential material.

Actually, I'd say it seems all too characteristic of the rural inter-mountain west (Utah, Idaho, etc), but perhaps that's what you meant.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how the Puritan wing of the Republic party tries to finesse this one.

I don't see this as an attack on the kid; I see it as an attack on right-wing religious culture. Also; am I the only one more troubled by the impending marriage than the pregnancy?

My guess is a shotgun was involved in the proposal.

That would mean either the Palins or the McCains would be pressuring Bristol's teenaged boyfried into marriage for political benefit. I wonder whether there's money involved?

Lastly, can we get a confirmation on the father-to-be's age?

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What a mess.

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O you got that.

You sure got that.

Pal-IN; Pal-OUT

Seriously

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Given that Palin is against all sex ed aside from "don't do it", one wonders if this poor child even knew that one could get pregnant from having sex.

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EXCELLENT question, Jenn. Has she become pregnant twice? Speaks very highly of abstinence only sex education. Seems to me if you're going to educate kids about abstinence, you have to at least tell them what NOT to do. Explicitly. No?

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Stranger and stranger is right.

I doubt VERY SERIOUSLY that the McCain camp knew about this.

Again Sarah Palin was NOT thoroughly vetted at all. This was a HASTY pick. I expect MORE things to come out.

I feel sorry for Bristol that her Mother decided to shine a national spotlight on her at this difficult time in her young life. I wish Bristol all the best, and that she may have a beautiful healthy baby. I also hope that she is not being shotgunned into a bad marriage, just for the sake of making her political mom look good.

I do not like the fact that Sarah Palin decided to run for National Office, and expose her daughter to all this scrutiny. It appears to me that Sarah Palin put politics ahead of family.

Let us not pile on Bristol. May she have a safe and healthy delivery, and be given the privacy that all women are entitled too.

Let us treat Bristol better than her own Mother has.

Well said.

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Amen, amen. I will pray for that girl. What a hell her life has become, in one short week.

Call me heard-hearted, but I think the best thing we filthy Commie liberal bloggers can do for Bristol, right now, is to force the truth to come out. Whatever it is. Whatever it takes.

Know why? Because the girl's 17 years old. She still has a chance NOT to turn into the fine example of lies and corruption that her asshole mother is. Who, you've just got to know, is sanguinely dragging her daughter's entire life into the public toilet, to support her own ruthless ambition.

Yes, uncovering and exposing the truth will be traumatic. But if it's "values" she needs to have instilled in her, in order for young Bristol to have a spiritually uplifting and mentally stable life, they are NOT the "values" of that crazy right-wing bitch mom of hers (and all of you shocked and concerned citizens, listen up: if you haven't figured out what a mindblowing c-word Sarah is yet, you're easily bamboozled and I've got a bridge for ya).

It will be traumatic, yes. But if all the truth is revealed now; if Bristol ultimately confesses all, and lets her lying mom just collapse, she at least has a chance to right the ship of her own life, reject the lies, and grow up with her head screwed on straight.

That's a lot harder... read "impossible"... to do for yourself, by the time you're a grown adult.

Like SARAH Palin.

Just a tad Nazi-like, but no big deal.

So Sarah Palin who is touted by the RIGHT WING as being such an excellent MOTHER is leaving her family (her new Down's syndrome infant, small children and her pregant 17 year old daughter) to go on the campaign trail and this is what the Phyllis Schlafly's and Eagle Forum Types are hyping for VP???? Apparently, the abstinence only teaching didn't work out just as planned.

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That's the other aspect of this:

If Miss Alaska was home minding the kids like she wants every other woman in America to do, maybe Bristol wouldn't have gotten into such a fix, yo?

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Not that I say this is right, but can we now assume that abstinence only education doesn't work.

You people are nuts. I'm trying hard to accept Obama but this "gotcha" attitude is a drag.

Y'all are sounding a bit desperate considering the polls are even, as I predicted they would be.

You better get a reality check. This election is full of unknowns and "yet to be fully revealed" things on both sides.

Attack Palins personal life and I guarantee the Indo/Islamic formative years of Obama will be pushed front and center.

Meaning the Republicans would never do such a thing is the shoe were on the other foot?

BTW, we all know that Wright, Rezko, and all that other crap, is going to come back anyway, so why not punch first for a change. As Obama said on Thursday, "we ain't your bitch anymore!" Or something like that.

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Uh...how can you not see it as an issue when an unprepared, unvetted candidate for the second highest office in the land, who is known for pushing abstinence-only sex education, has an pregnant, unmarried teenaged daughter? At the very least, it appears that the policies she promotes are proven to be ineffective.

Are you kidding? Obama's "Indo/Islamic formative years" have been "front and center" for awhile now, and they've been debunked. OBAMA IS A CHRISTIAN, for crying out loud. This pregnancy is new news. It will have an effect on the values voters.

fogu,

Hasn't that meme run its course ? Or you happen to have authentic information about more skeletons in Obama's closet ?

And why are linking this tragedy with Obama ?

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Because he's obsessed. Ignore him, folks, please.

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Tragedy? What tragedy? A 17-year-old girl is pregnant but she hasn't married the child's father. That's not a tragedy.

A child with Down's Syndrome? That's not a tragedy.

A tragedy is the richest nation on earth doesn't provide health care, including pre-natal care to every person who needs it regardless of cost.

Tragedy is that the US is the only developed nation that doesn't guarantee paternal leave.

Tragedy is that if Palin had her way, all pregnant women would be required to carry to full term pregnancies even if they were the result of rape or incest.

But two well-off well loved children, with between them four loving parents? That's not a tragedy.

amk, I think you owe the Palins an apology.

I agree with your sentiment, but I will say that throwing this poor 17 year old girl - whose trying to deal with something so monumental - out into the spotlight is, in fact, a tragedy.

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And whose fault is that? HER MOTHER'S.

Are you nuts rockgolf ? This is indeed a tragedy for the poor girl, who is being used a political pawn. I don't give a fuck about Palin, who is growing to be a scheming monster as every day goes.

Are you nuts rockgolf ?

This is indeed a tragedy for the poor girl, who is being used a political pawn.

I don't give a fuck about Palin's feelings, who is the root cause of this tragedy (there I said it again) and who is growing to be a scheming monster as every day goes.

Are you nuts rockgolf ?

This is indeed a tragedy for the poor girl, who is being used as a political pawn.

I don't give a fuck about Palin's feelings, who is the root cause of this tragedy (there I said it again) and who is growing to be a scheming monster as every day goes.

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You're trying hard to accept Obama????? Wait. Let me get up off the floor laughing!

You've been bashing Obama for months. You hate him. You ridicule him. Now, you want his supporters to play nice because the other side has stepped in it by picking a candidate they didn't vet. Don't hold your breath!

After spending the better part of the last year smearing Obama with every bit of innuendo and bullshit masquerading as fact, I think you are the last person to caution others against vetting another candidate. Though I do agree that this isn't or shouldn't be about a personal attack on the Palin family. The focus should be on McCain's decision to offer this woman the job without vetting her and Palin for accepting the job without (apparently) fully considering the decision.

As if the rightys haven't beat the old "he's a closet muslim" meme to death already??

We don’t need white trash and Beverley Hillbillies in the White House

Is it true that Dick Cheney will officiate at the shotgun wedding?

Ha! Good one.

Dick Cheney is gonna shoot the father of the kid's baby, then he's gonna take out that pesky ex-brother-in-law!

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Since (it seems) she is running as an exemplar of family values - touting her "mother of five" status, and her mother of a Downs syndrome baby status as talking points, she (not her children) should certainly be under scrutiny for her familial decisions. I guess the question is, will it do us any good? IOKIYAR

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For me, I'm still stumped on the "tamping down rumors" aspect of this. They actually did this in response to "liberal bloggers"? Seriously?

If so, then "liberal bloggers" must have a boatload more influence than most people think.

Second, can you imagine Sarah Palin's response when she's asked about abstinence only education in the debates? 'Course, asking Gwen Ifill to ask about a controversial topic that might not be favorable to Republicans is probably asking a lot.

If she sticks to her fundamentalist stance, isn't it going to turn off a lot of young women and parents?

I wonder if Palin is reconsidering her opposition to sex education in the schools in light of this development. Obviously, she didn't do such a great job of educating her own daughter at home.

So much for family values...Palin needs to go.

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What does this say about Palin's judgement? She's got a 4 month old infant, a pregnant daughter, a son going to Iraq and she's got time to be VP?

I totally believe in women being able to do it all but any women of middle age knows you can't do it all at the same time.

What does this say about McCain's judgment.

An 18 year old son going to Iraq where she says she didn't give much thought to the war until he enlisted.

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Time to be all of those things, and, still governer of Alaska. That's a lot to ask from someone. And I tend to think that if Sarah Palin were Sam Palin, these questions would still be raised.

I don't want to be tiresome, but let's not go there. My feminist spider sense is tingling. She's got a spouse -- in principle, he can do the childcare.

Agreed.

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One thing in isolation, I'd agree. But we're talking about a four month old baby. With Downs. And a 17 year old pregnant, unmarried daughter, about to be married. And an oldest son leaving for Iraq. She's a government official, and has a son leaving for Iraq, and she hasn't thought much about it?

Each thing in isolation, fine. Combined? I agree that the standards are not the same for male and female candidates, and people are going to judge a female more harshly when it comes to family responsibilities and career responsibilities, but all of these things, combined, seem a bit much.

However, I have no doubt that this is how Republicans will spin it: "It's complete double standard to question Sarah Palin's commitment to her family!!!" They'll milk the feminist argument for all its worth.

This is a freaking circus.

Er, hurricane.

Laura Bush just made that argument, that Dems better careful about criticizing Palin in any way because it might provoke a "feminist" backlash. (These people have absolutely no shame - let alone principles -- whatsoever.)

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And we're scared of Laura fucking Bush and what she says?

I'm not.

I am not afraid of anyone - not the religious right, not the Repugs, not the MSM and not anyone else.

This is all bullshit - she put it all into play herself with her crusade to control every other woman's sex life.

I'm sick of this bullshit - this is a liberal board? This woman is dangerous - stop being wussies.

Eh, give it up, Tena. We're talking to a goddamned wall.

It isn't the JOB of political consultants not to be too timid by half... much as it isn't the job of your company's lawyers to say, "Oh, I dunno, sounds okay, go ahead and do whatever you think best!" Fer godssake, they're paid to come up with 100 reasons why you could be sued for going to the rest room.

There is only one contrarian political consultant, who says that if your candidate is a war hero, attack him no-holds-barred as a coward and a fraud. You know his name. He does not work for Democrats.

If the Obama campaign had its own Rove, Palin AND McCain would have been dead meat by Sunday night. In fact... I'm not 100% sure that wasn't supposed to have been the case (they just happened to get lucky that the MSM kissed Sarah's ass, and is still kissing. Well. Bonus!)!

THINK: McCain makes no bones about the fact that he hardly knew the woman.

Meaning, he was told who his VP pick would be.

BY WHOM, EXACTLY? And, would this other party not have had a clue as to all the maggots, underneath the Palin rock? Somehow... I think they sorta would have. I think they sorta did.

Now follow: I do not claim to know their exact m.o. But I can surmise. If all this crap from back in Alaska (where it was openly discussed) was supposed to spill out immediately, it stands to reason that Sarah Palin was supposed to bail almost immediately; say, within a week.

WHY? My only guess at this juncture:

Maybe it was a way of saying to the religious right base, "See? We TRIED to give you a 'pro-choice' candidate! But those FILTHY LIBERALS conspired against you! So now... for the sake of the Republican ticket... please welcome Senator Joe Lieberman!"

(So far, attack/blame on liberals: CHECK.)

I've had that very thought myself... next week, welcome new VP candidate Joe Lieberman

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I was thinking the same thing the moment I heard it. It's the Harriet Miers ploy all over again. Hey, but if that's their strategy, they are even stupider than I thought, because a pure an innocent Palin was really their only hope. Joementum ain't gonna get no Hillary voters, that's for sure.

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In principle he can, but from what's come out he has at least a part-time job as well (with BP, no less).

Okay - woman's perspective. It's not just about a warm body there to tend to the kiddies. It's about being there for your family. Palin appears to have her hands full. Are these kids getting the parenting that they need? Can they be expected to if she continues down the path that she's set on now? How would your average working woman w/kids, who comes home in the evening and struggles to get food on the table and homework and baths done and kids in bed, etc., etc., answer that question?

A supportive husband is great. A well-paid, competent nanny can also be helpful. But, you know what? Kids also need their mom.

Not saying that her family situation should necessarily prevent her or any other woman from doing this job. But, as working women, we do make hard choices, every day.

I agree. I'm a little shocked that Palin accepted the nomination.

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We should respect the privacy of the daughter. Not the candidate though. If those days are over for Democrats, they need to be over for the Thugs as well.

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I can't stop thinking that this is all a big joke and he is going to roll out the real candidate at the convention... I mean, a woman would never let her husband name their daughter after a NASCAR race, right?

You need to practice abstinence...
Nice, I guess like the Bush administration, the rules apply to all but us...

Soon she will call for not allowing the use of condoms...

This woman is on the extreme right. She is just dangerous, and with McWar to her side, you can imagine the results, and what could be ahead of us...

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My heart goes out to Bristol, who is in a very difficult position. I make no judgment on her.

I do, however, double my resolve to keep her mother out of Washington. I do hold Sarah Palin responsible because she pushes abstinence only and this is the inevitable result. Abstinence only is a disaster, and it damages the lives of young women and men. It is grossly irresponsible. A pox on all those right wingers who see this as great family values.

She expects the media to respect her kids' privacy? No mention of the kid headed to Iraq, then? No more about the not-aborted Down Syndrome son?

This candidate's kids' privacy seems to be on a toggle switch.

wow. i didn't think this campaign could possible get any more interesting. But it has.

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Puts that long trip home in a different light, eh? Yup.

Gee, all, what happened to the tolerance you preach? There is nothing inconsistent about the Palins' family beliefs and the fact that the daughter is pregnant. When did the Palins say that there teenagers were incapable of mistakes? When did she and Todd say they were perfect? They didn't. Conservatives like Palin don't contend their children are perfect or that underage sex isn't a temptation to all. They just promise to try to do the right thing when mistakes happen- which they did, by promising their daughter their love and support.

Go back to wishing for your secular nanny-state and try to practice your own occasionally espoused tolerance.

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What support! Grandma is going to Washington.

Why didn't they let it be known before? This was going to eventually come to light before the election, so why not come out and say off camera how they're proud that are of their daughter and love her very much.

exposing..blah, balh, blah ... is a first time poster. Seems like McCain just activated his troll army.

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There is nothing inconsistent about the Palins' family beliefs and the fact that the daughter is pregnant.

You're right. There is absolutely no inconsistency. And that's the issue. For anti-choice, anti-sex ed, anti-contraception fundies, this is rather the norm. Pregnant teenagers are the inevitable result of an abstinence only, anti-contraception approach to sexuality, and the fundies just fix it right up by shuffling everybody into shotgun marriages.

Classic family values.

Me, I prefer those liberal values of giving young women information and options to prevent this entire situation.

so what does this say about palin's parenting competence?

It is remarkable that the McCain campaign stated that it was Bristol's own choice to keep the baby. The GOP is campaigning precisely to eliminate that choice. I can't understand why they would have used that wording.

It's been, what, 96 hours since McCain picked his soulmate, I mean, running mate. Yes he won the news cycle on Friday (but the upside is Obama's speech wasn't dissected one thousand ways and is emblazened in the minds of 40MM+ Americans), but this pick is proving more and more disasterous by the minute. Sarah Palin deserves criticism not for her family choices or parenting skills, but for not having the political acumen to know that neither she, nor her family was prepared for the national spot light. Maybe in 10 years, but today? With a pregnant teenager and ethics investigation looming overhead and her paucity of interest in national politics? It demonstrates her arrogance and her ignorance.

As for Candidate McCain, if we needed more proof that we don't need this man in the White House, this is it. I don't want this man anywhere near the White House. And certainly not with his hands on our military.

That being said, if I'm Obama and his team, I don't dwell on Palin at all. I focus squarely on McCain and his judgment and temperament. He's made it perfectly clear that the VP is an unimportant position, so why bother digging into Palin's positions (or lack thereof)? She won't be advancing legislation. She's political eye-candy. Keep your eye on the old man.

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Man, I go away for the night and all hell breaks loose.

Pregnancy announcements? Speeches to secessionist groups?

I'm tellin' ya, peeps. This family is ca-reepy. There's some weird shit going on in the house of Palin, and I'm thinking that this ain't the end of it.

Well, I wasn't one to jump on this rumor and I think one needs a lot more than Fristian reading of images to try to argue that Sarah's most recent child is actually her daughters, but isn't trying to bat down the rumors by saying that her daughter is 5 months pregnant (and thus got pregnant 2 weeks to a month before Trig was born) kind of a round about way of doing it?

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I think this is the type of thing Dems have to treat with a light touch, or else it backfires.

That said, a governor who opposes sex education has a daughter who has pre-marital, unprotected sex? Granted, Palin's daughter is responsible for her own decision, but it doesn't give sex education a good name.

And for some reason it reminds me of when Dan Quayle said he was pro-life but would be okay with his own daughter having an abortion. Hypocrisy.

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Er, rather, it doesn't give abstinence-only education a good name. Brain fart.

Now who's more like the Britney Spears & family, huh McSame?

What's the over/under on when Palin gets bounced from the ticket? I say 7 days.

I think they'll stick it out. If they don't, it looks even worse. How would they explain bouncing her from the ticket? They would come off looking so friggin moralistic, they'd lose everyone who watched Juno.

It would also say terrible things about McCain's judgment.