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McCain Blames Palin's Pakistan Flub With Citizen On "Gotcha Journalism"

In the latest installment of the ongoing horror movie otherwise known as Sarah Palin's interviews with CBS News, John McCain just made a cameo appearance -- and blamed Palin's recent Pakistan flub on "gotcha journalism," even though her screw-up came with an ordinary voter.

CBS just aired Couric's joint interview with both McCain and Palin, and asked the two about her statement over the weekend to a voter in a Philadelphia fast food joint that we should reserve the right to cross into Pakistan to chase down terrorists -- a position that McCain has criticized Barack Obama for expressing out loud.

In the interview, Couric asked McCain if Palin should have given voice to this, and he replied...

"Of course not. But, look, I understand this day and age `gotcha' journalism. Is that a pizza place? In a conversation with someone who you didn't hear ... the question very well, you don't know the context of the conversation. Grab a phrase. Gov. Palin and I agree that you don't announce that you're going to attack another country."

It's unclear what McCain is complaining about here. Is he really trying to excuse Palin's flub with the silly excuse that she was the victim of gotcha journalism? She was asked a question by a citizen. And McCain has repeatedly railed against Obama for refusing to face the voters with him in town hall meetings. Back in June, McCain called on Obama to join him in a "direct conversation with voters."

What's more, should reporters really not report public statements that Palin makes to voters about matters of international policy, simply because she made them to ordinary citizens? In this particular exchange, she revealed -- again -- that she knows absolutely nothing about the finer points of foreign policy, let alone her own running-mate's positions on it. That's news. Rather important news.

Apologies for using the cliche again, but it's irresistible: If Palin is so incapable of answering questions from ordinary citizens in fast-food joints that reporters should politely look the other way when she interacts with voters, how can she stand up to Al Qaeda?


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Watch it at cbsnews.com - he's soooo obnoxious and sarcastic it makes you just wanna puke.

Well, you did make it sound so appealing. Did he even let her talk?

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Briefly. He took the doggie biscuit out of her mouth long enough for her to agree with him.

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LOLOLOL!!!!

Perhaps they'll think of a way to have McCrackers onstage with Palin during the debate:

"Uhh, Gov. Palin came down with a severe case of laryngitis today, so she's going to whisper her answers in my good ear and I'll relate then to you, the American people in this time of crisis."

Hey, they have to think of something.

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

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Smart.

I wouldn't venture a guess either.

I think we can expect the convention speech Palin; attacking Obama as her main talking points. Rather than CBS interview Palin; talking without point.

Expect her to make the case for him being the "most liberal senator".

Really, he was like the scolding father, "wait a minute before you interrogate my daughter." Pathetic.

Really, he was like the scolding father, "wait a minute before you interrogate my daughter." Pathetic.

Gotcha posting now :)

Kudos to Katie Couric for almost openly laughing and saying "But it was a conversation with a voter!"

McCain's answer was recockulous. Glad Katie pushed back.

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I'm not Katie's biggest fan, but her facial expressions during these Palin interviews have been priceless. The stony "You fucking MORON" face she makes during the bailout = healthcare clip is incredible.

Just caught this on CBS. Whoa! What a bunch of crap! McCain was equally as bad as Palin.

Is this seperate from the upcoming Wednesday "Questioning the Vice Presidents" or whatever they called it?

According to J. Martin over at Politico the gaffe question that was either cut (or didn't air as part of the Wednesday show yet) was that Palin couldn't name another Supreme Court decision other than Roe vs Wade. She just sat their in silence after the question was asked. And this is a woman who could be a heartbeat away from naming the next Justice.

Looking forward to Chief Justice Dude.

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Wow - holy fucking wow...

"Of concern to McCain's campaign, however, is a remaining and still-undisclosed clip from Palin's interview with Couric last week that has the political world buzzing.

"The Palin aide, after first noting how "infuriating" it was for CBS to purportedly leak word about the gaffe, revealed that it came in response to a question about Supreme Court decisions.

"After noting Roe vs. Wade, Palin was apparently unable to discuss any major court cases.

"There was no verbal fumbling with this particular question as there was with some others, the aide said, but rather silence."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/In_reintroduction_Palin_to_do_more_interviews_and_tell_her_story.html

She's a hoot.

What's gets me is that the aide was "infuriated" that they had the audacity to leak something that happened during the course of the interview.

How could they not leak it? They probably couldn't stop laughing about it.

There's an egregious lack of deference goin' on here. Egregious.

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Obama will prosecute "egregious" behaviors. Mind your language.

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From the same story:

"This is a governor very much on her toes, very much fed up with inaccuracies and fictions about her own life and career."

Haven't most of the fictions and inaccuracies about her life and career come from her?

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Are you implying that she provided ground cover for the ill-fated trip to Tulza?

I can vouch for since she helped me dig the fox hole. And trust me - when you are mounting a M-60 - those fox holes have to be deep.

Yup Yup

This whole thread of comments is making me piss my pants from laughing.

I love the commenters here more than anywhere. You guys rock.

So, obviously, McCain would never make a big deal (let alone an advertisement) out of Biden's similarly impromptu response, in a similar situation, regarding coal plants. Oh, wait...

Great point. We're in complete meltdown mode though, so everything goes. The flailing is pretty damn enjoyable.

Pufferfish

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Freudian connotations?

Couric had just interviewed the happy couple today in Ohio. Mainly a short interview about the weekend gaffe of Palin's about Pakistan. Fortunately, we will see more of the Palin / Couric interviews this week on CBS!

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The goldmine of CBS!

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Actually, I think this is exactly why McCain's campaign doesn't know what to do with Palin. Her response wasn't unreasonable -- it just wasn't "correct." In other words, they want her to sound intelligent about *McCain's* positions, but in a lot of cases she doesn't even know what that means, let alone whether she agrees with him.

Of course, she also has some real gaps. Even I know about the Palestinian elections.

The best outcome for the V.P. debate, in my view, is for Palin to state something that Obama agrees with but not McCain and for Joe Biden simply to be able to point out how reasonable that is, that's why Obama is for it, but his understanding is that McCain hasn't been, at least not up until now. He's glad to see McCain has come aroudn to Obama's view of things!

Yep, that would be nice.

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... they want her to sound intelligent about *McCain's* positions, but in a lot of cases she doesn't even know what that means...

In a lot of cases, he doesn't even know what that means!

But even with John McCain sitting there and the two of them on getting a second chance to do damage control, she STILL gets his position wrong.

She says, "Well, as senator McCain is suggesting here also, NEVER would our administration get out there and show our cards to, uh, terrorists, in this case, to enemies, and let them know what the game plan was. Not when that could, uh, ultimately adversely affect a plan to keep America secure."

But John McCain called it irresponsible when Obama said it originally, and again during the debate, because it would undermine our ALLY, Pakistan, to publically state we might not respect their sovereignity--not that it might warn Al Qaeda that we plan to bomb them if we find out where they are. I think we can assume Al Qaeda already knows that. Unless Palin thinks Pakistan is the enemy.

I hate the liberal press. How dare they ask a candidate for Vice-President of the United States questions on policy.

I mean, what are we, a democracy?
Where in the Bill of Rights does it state anything about Freedom of the Press?

Remember, Iraq's version of democracy is now the model for democracy in the U.S.

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They're gonna get really aggressive about her. McCain told Couric something like "They said this about Governors Reagan and Clinton, asked them foreign policy questions..."

They're going to let her loose. Look out...

We need a new term for jumping the shark, because the McCain campaign is making the old definition obselete.

Ambinder has a great post on this (and transcript):

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/a_voter_asks_a_question_and_it.php

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In the latest installment of the ongoing horror movie otherwise known as Sarah Palin's interviews with CBS News,

Palin's bringing out some your best though, Greg. Keep this up and you might wind up reviewing movies for The New Yorker.

[watch out for Billy Glad coming to tell you that you're low for criticizing Palin. ;)]

We need a new term for jumping the shark, because the McCain campaign is making the old definition obselete.

Ambinder has a great post on this (and transcript):

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/a_voter_asks_a_question_and_it.php

Here's the vid of this latest interview - McCain is so damn weird sometimes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAyLluhF4uc

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Good lord:

"If Americans so privilege and bless us

[banging head on keyboard]

I'm so happy Grampa is proud of his little girl.

D'ya suppose there's a kind of Pygmalion/Taming of th' Shrew thang goin' on here? Like, he's gonna teach her how to talk and eat with silverware and behave in Society and so on?

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In McCain's mind I'm sure it's more like Humbert Humbert and Lolita.

Could well be... tho Palin thinks Humbert Humbert was LBJ's Vice President.

Rim-shot for both of you!

I sincerely doubt she thinks that.

How could she, given that she thinks that "LBJ" is a typo in a kind of sandwich?

He does appear to have taken off his wedding ring to twirl it this time.

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They are way too late for that.

She's beyond help.

(Scene: A formal study, evening. McCain languishes in a chair, exhausted. Lindsey Graham, asleep on a couch, snores lightly from under a newspaper covering his face)

McCain: Once more...

Palin: Economistically, John MerCain is farmly in the mern.

McCain: (tiredly) Again...

Palin: Economicronally, Jern MerCern is firmly in the marn.

McCain: (rubbing bridge of nose) Again...

Palin: (Pauses) Economically, John McCain is firmly in the main.

McCain: (sitting up, alert) Again.

Palin: Economically speaking, John McCain is firmly in the main.

McCain: Again!

Graham: (waking) Eh?

Palin: On the economy, John McCain is firmly in the main!

McCain: She's got it! By George I think she's got it!

Palin: John McCain is firmly in the main!

McCain: Who's in the main?

Palin: McCain! McCain!

McCain: And where is that blasted McCain?!

Palin: In the main! In the main!

Graham: She's got it! By George she's got it!

McCain: (dances with Graham)

Palin: Urricanes in Ouston Ardly ever Appen!

McCain: (deflatted) F*ck it!

Someone has a wicked crush on Julie Andrews.

You are made of win.

When he's not speaking he has this Nixonian unease. like, "am I supposed to smile? Look serious? Look at the camera? What?"

They contradict themselves about crossing the boarder. They say they would never "broadcast their intentions" yet, Palin, as Couric says, was pretty explicit in what she said they would do.

What? They think Al Queda doen't see the interwebs? Jeebus...

What? They think Al Queda doen't see the interwebs? Jeebus...
What? You think Al Quaeda is stupid enough to believe anything they say?

...BTW, what does the 'H' in Jesus H. Christ stand for?

LK

He came close to losing it when Couric asked her "Are you sorry for saying it?"

Help me out here you all. Right around 2:50 minutes in did McCain say that "this is not the first time I have seen a governor questioned by the "so called experts" (He did the finger quote thing) and he was talking about Katie Couric? Someone tell me that he really didn't do that or I have missed something.
Wow.

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I saw it.

Yup, I saw it too. McCain doin' air quotes is just so wrong. In so many ways.

I'm not worried about his ability to air quote - I thought he insulted Couric by calling her a so-called expert.
And why the funny story about Reagen. He needs to stop with the ancient stories. I'm 54 and he is boring me with his remembering when crap.

I believe we are in full "Shame on you Barack Obama!" pantsuits style meltdown.

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You're absolutely right. This campaign has 'jumped the shark' so many times it's nearly impossible to determine the first or finest moment.

I don't care about jumping the shark anymore: I just want to see the campaign and both of these candidates 'swim with the fishes.' Know what I mean?

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I thought we shouldn't believe her tanning-bed browned ass cuz there was BBQ nearby and she was talkin' with a young 'guh-aye'.

Why does the bad man feel he needs to dump on his personal public?

An excerpt from Governor Sarah Palin's interview with ABC news' Charlie Gibson.

John McCain is claiming that Sarah Palin voiced her point of view about making a cross border attack into Pakistan in a private conversation. As you know, McCain has critizised Barack Obama for articulating the same idea, and he now says that it is "Gotcha Jounalism" to question McCain/Palin about the contradiction and hypocrisy.

I'm worried that media is forgetting that Palin expressed this same general sentiment in an interview with Charlie Gibson. That was certainly not a private conversation.

GIBSON: Do we have a right to anticipatory self-defense? Do we have a right to make a preemptive strike again another country if we feel that country might strike us?

PALIN: Charlie, if there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend.

GIBSON: Do we have the right to be making cross-border attacks into Pakistan from Afghanistan, with or without the approval of the Pakistani government?

PALIN: Now, as for our right to invade, we're going to work with these countries, building new relationships, working with existing allies, but forging new, also, in order to, Charlie, get to a point in this world where war is not going to be a first option. In fact, war has got to be, a military strike, a last option.

GIBSON: But, Governor, I'm asking you: We have the right, in your mind, to go across the border with or without the approval of the Pakistani government.

PALIN: In order to stop Islamic extremists, those terrorists who would seek to destroy America and our allies, we must do whatever it takes and we must not blink, Charlie, in making those tough decisions of where we go and even who we target.

GIBSON: And let me finish with this. I got lost in a blizzard of words there. Is that a yes? That you think we have the right to go across the border with or without the approval of the Pakistani government, to go after terrorists who are in the Waziristan area?

PALIN: I believe that America has to exercise all options in order to stop the terrorists who are hell bent on destroying America and our allies. We have got to have all options out there on the table.

Why do they dress Palin like she's a librarian from the 1950s?

Honestly, she makes Margaret Thatcher look like a bit of a tramp.

I prefer McShame's term (for Cindy): trollop. Really shows his age.

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I keep saying - devolution. She's against evolution, so she has to keep going backward - in IQ, dress, policies, you name it.

She's the very reason we need stem cell research!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/In_reintroduction_Palin_to_do_more_interviews_and_tell_her_story.html?showall

She couldn't name a supreme court case other than Roe v Wade. Seriously??? Lawrence v. Texas, Brown v. Board of Education, Dred Scott v. Sanford - the cursed Bush v. Gore!!!!!! We are soo screwed if McCain wins.

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Who's Lawrence?

I think that was the Spanish civil war, when Texas gained its independence. Mexico used to be called Lawrence before the Zapateros took power.

palin has just taken "worser" out of the realm of the illiterate and given it a home in the dictionary.

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I'm dead serious - she is almost illiterate. She doesn't speak properly unless she's coached.

She does not know proper English, people! This couldn't get more absurd.

"Th' Rine in Spine Folls Mos'ly On Th' Pline. Ow's that, Pr'fessr 'Iggins?"

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Just get me to the church on-time, OK?

Yes and she had at least three sophomore years to learn it.

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When did "privilege" slip over into action?

That's a real stretch: turning that one into a verb.

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Fundie talk.

Holy crap! Dumb and Dumber!

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You betcha!

Let's hear it for Conservative Feminism!! "Of course she shot her mouth off when she wasn't supposed to, but I blame that on someone else. If it weren't for those 'gotcha' journalists, my little lady here wouldn't have been led down the path of temptation and sin!"

He wouldn't be just a President, he'd be a Patriarch (as long as Cindy keeps funding him, of course).

The Pool Boy who would be King.

What is with all of these Couric interviews? The second half will be tomorrow, then the "Vice President Candidates Question Series" happens Wednesday, and then the VP debate on Thursday...

Did McCain think he could bully or intimidate Couric or something? Maybe he figures "Hey SeeBS covers for our stupidest answers, they are the safest bet"

I think Couric saw this as her one chance to redeem herself after her awful start as anchor.

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Yeah I think so. She saw a chance and Katie took it and I'm proud of her for realizing that she could take this woman - cause she has and she's done it deliberately.

I'm enjoying the hell out of it.

We all need to give her her deserving kudos.

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Please don't ask me what is in McLame's diseased mind.

He's squash-headed, as one my late uncles used to call it.

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Please don't ask me what is in McLame's diseased mind.

I know!  I know!  Lookey here!

OMG! Tension, Neuritis and Neuralgia! McCain's campaign advisors!

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LOL!

I'm also wondering why no one in the press has picked up that McCain doesn't disagree with Obama on going into Pakistan if they can't/won't act on actionable intelligence. John just wouldn't be a man and tell them about his intent to do so in the first place.

That's how we relate to our allies, right?

I like it.

Look for a boxy lump between Palin's shoulderblades at the next debate.

Hey, you know everyone is. Don't they make inner ear pieces that don't even have wires now? (Not trying to wear the tinfoil hat....)

Well, in the Thursday debate, if Palin says: "Sarah, look at the camera on your left!", then, well, that'd be yer tipoff.

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LOL!

Why, yes, pilgrim. For the low, low price of $1,179.95, you, too can have the Comtek RC-216 Receive-A-Cue System, a discreet, in-ear wireless cueing system.

On the day of your big debate, you can receive cues either from a recorded audio source, say The Collected Dronings of Secretary Kissinger, or from your chosen prompter whispering sweet geopolitical nothings into a microphone.

This comment, of course, follows the speculation that McC is feeding Palin all her lines!

So let me get this straight -- what she tells voters is really *not* what her positions are on the issues? So basically, she's lying to voters? And it's rude of journalists to call her on these lies that she tells to voters?

Hmmm.

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Here's the deal, Leila, she was telling a U.S. citizen a secret. And here we are revealing it all to bin Laden and whatnot. These terrorists would never figure out what the American government is capable of if it wasn't said out loud.
It's all blown now. Damn.

I could see McCain's lips moving. He needs practice.

This woman, who stands a decent chance of becoming the 45th President of the United States, in as little as three and a half months from now, cannot handle being interviewed without having her hand held?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Are you fucking kidding me?

This would be funny, if it weren't sickening, irresponsible, and outright dangerous.

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Y'know Zell, if you have a really sick, fucked up sense of humor it actually is quite funny.

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The immortal George Carlin put it this way:

When you're born, you are handed a ticket to the freak show; if you're born in America, you're handed a ticket for a front row seat.

Here's the video of Palin expressing the same point in her interview with Gibson:

"Must not blink..."

"All options on the table."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z75QSExE0jU

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Ok, I have to hand it to Katie Couric - she's ripping them to shreds with her little Katie smile on - America's sweetheart who asks at the end: "And what did you learn today?" for all the world like Sarah was in 1st grade.

Yeah, and "Are you sorry you said it, Governor?"

That in particular struck me as if Couric was speaking to a young child.

Now Sarah, give the candy back and tell the nice man that you're sorry.

I just made the same point below.

Not so much that point as a few seconds later after McCain interrupts and McCain and Couric start speaking about Palin as if she wasn't there.

That made me think of her as a child.

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Well, I think Suspending the Campaign is as good as Jumping the Shark.

"Jumped th' Campaign!"
I like it. Sums it up, don't it?

How about "Jumped the Pig"?

Well, that sounds like a Larry Craig Party Game, so, y'know...

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Oops, meant as reply to Publicola above. Darn this computer thingy!

What does Couric have on the Palin/McCain ticket for the to grant her three consecutive interviews.

I think Couric should be asked that question.

by the way thanks for welcoming me

If this McSame-Lipstick ticket wins, I'm fucking moving to Ireland.

Wait... don't do that. Think about it; this isn't hard and you know the answer: "McCain".... what nationality is that name?? Are you SURE you want to move to Ireland?

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Could be Scottish.

Life has been good there I hear since the rise of King Bono to the throne.

Goin to Samoa if 777John wins, to NOLA if the other happens.

No offense, but I think you haven't thought this through. Ireland is full of foreigners. McCain and Palin are probably going to bomb it.

No, I'm going to stay right here, where they're... hopefully... unlikely to attack, thank you.

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Don't move to Ireland - it's one of Sarah Palin's favorite places to visit.

At least to have her plane refueled.

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IT COUNTS!!

I think she could see England from her window seat.

Is that a euphamism?

Holy shit.

Couric asked Palin a follow-up and McCain interrupted her and starting answering for her and there was a brief moment where McCain and Couric were talking about Palin as if she wasn't even there.

"It wasn't a got'cha question, she was answering questions from a voter..."


It was like Palin was a child.

Should do a lot for her confidence going into the debates.

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I noticed that, too, and it came off as incredibly condescending. I think he hates the sound of Palin's voice. Whenever she's speaking, he has this terribly uncomfortable expression on his face, that might be part disdain and part sloppy burrito with extra hot sauce.

Palin said her executive experience includes "city mayor and city manager".... didn't she have to hire one for Wasilla for 50K or 60K a year. In fact, the reports are that she was the first mayor to ever have to hire a city mgr for the tiny town of Wasilla. Liar liar pants on fire.

Nice catch.

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She had that city-mgr. experience -- sucked at it, freaked out a little, and fobbed it off on someone else... but experienced it, I guess, and that's what counts!

Outrageous that a television crew, covering a political grip-and-grin at a cheesesteak joint, would have the temerity to record a public exchange between a candidate and a constituent, find it newsworthy and broadcast it.

Outrageous.

Haven't seen this one mentioned. Couric asks Palin about Hamas:

http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/sarah_palins_terrifying_ignora.php

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Oh yeah, I forgot about that one.

Y'know, when your girlfriend has the clap, syph, herpes and clamidia it's easy to forget she also has a yeast infection.

I guess that explains the lip discolorization.

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No, that would be the yummy raspberry swirl I had for dessert.

(...searching Bartlett's for the source of this quotation...)

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Source: Bottle of Shiraz wine consumed with dinner on 9/29/08. Feel free to quote me all you like.

Hey, not bad for an ol' guy with a mouthful o' pink peeps!

I hold these political truths to be self evident:

If, at the end of September, you are having to defend your own choice for VP, not let her answer the questions, but cut her off and answer them for her, and also are having to defend how your showboating stunt on rescuing the economy has, failed miserably, then your campaign is in deep doo doo.

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You mean like this?

http://jzap.com/img/pig.jpg

PygPalin.... Sorry Mr. Shaw.

Catch the double play on Pig/Pyg. Lipstick.

The Rain on Palin falls mainly on her brain.

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1. How long can mcShame possibly carry on this charade that he's thrilled with his VP?

At some point he's gonna blow and Palin better be ready for a dressing down - possibly in public.

Truly... a man this angry... Palin better be prepared.

2. Plus... sniping at the press does not sound to me like a prudent tactic, given how low mcShame's numbers are... and the power of the press.

He's boxing himself in - more and more - a major meltdown is at hand.

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You know what - well I guess you do since you know people - you're right.

He's a bully with a bad temper and he will blow and throw a fit at her eventually.

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I agree... Maybe that's why Todd and the whole family came from Alaska!

Next incident: McCain snaps on Sarah, Todd decks McCain.

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Yes! Oh, yes!!! Please, dear God, let it be so!!!

Then what?

Bristol steals one of Cindy's crecit cards and bolts for Los Angeles. Cindy tired of being the laughing stock of the jet set, files for divorce.

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That's a plot I can follow....

Given the abuse that Cindy has probably endured, what is more likely is she joins Bristol , become the Thelma and Louise for the GOP as they fly through Southwest in her Mercedes convertible.

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I think you've got it!!!

Wow, new twists and turns.... but I like your scenario... well, except for the poor folks who become their victims. Then again... we're the victims already!

...and when she gets to LA she hooks up with whatever vestige of the Manson family is still hanging out...

Hey, don't worry about ol' Sarah! Her m.o. has been to worm her way into a race as the contemptible idiot ditz, then --when she's in-- she pivots and takes out the old conservative male colleague who just patronized her. Maybe think of it as a praying mantis mating process. Just ask Frank Murkowski how it feels to have an icepick in his back after he "brought her along" ... and after he chuckled at her in private the way McCain is doing now. She's something else.

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That only works if you win.

And you know, I think she could pull that on Stevens - he's even older and crazier than McLame - but she is swimming in much much deeper waters at the moment.

Oh, man, I like your answer.

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Darlin, take a good good long look at Cindy McLame sometime.

I wouldn't cross her.

;)

Oooh, I love it when you call me darlin!

I would. Hand me the nails.

Actually, I saw a snippet of their joint CBS interview on the TPM homepage.

The shine on her face has errored. She looks pale and lifeless. I'm beginning to wonder if McCain is verbally abusing her? We all know his nickname for his wife begins with a C and ends with a T.

I mean eroded.

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I would not be one bit surprised.

If it hasn't happened yet, it will.

Dang it! Why d'yall start spellin' when I'm around?

PygPalin.. With apologies to George Bernard Shaw.

The Rain in Palin falls mainly on her brain.


Re: substitute for Jumped The Shark.

How about Bumped The Barracuda!

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Truly, folks, I think we're all having group therapy here. Trying to come to terms with "reality" being so surreal. The Crap Shoot of all crap shoots is occurring in real time... with the nation on the "table" - indeed the whole world "on the table" - and there's this little man, the Drama Queen, who wants us all to watch him roll the dice, as he doubles down and triples down - and parades with his Dame of Shame!

I think we're simply trying to wrap our minds around this impossible situation that is actually occurring in front of our very eyes.

Our whole life, flashing before us and our future melting down by the day with the Stock Market, as one tiny, toddling man tries to show us his Big, Important Bowel Movement - and wants us to just eat it up!

Yech! Double Yech!

This man stands between us and Sanity. He stands between us and Democracy. Between us and a Free Press. Between us and our 401 K's.

No one person has the right to deny us so much that is vital to our daily lives and our future as a Republic under the Constitution!

McCain/Palin makes Bush/Cheney seem like a quasi-sane choice.

I'd vote for Bush/Cheney in a fucking second over McCain/Palin.

And to such a statement we know we down the rabbit hole

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g0MDjrl32M

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O my god, I think I would too.

O my god - no no no no no - I'd write-in a dead dog and an orange traffic cone.

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Not only that, I've now heard ostensible adults John Bohner and the little shit from Va who led the Repug revolt give as their reason for letting the goddamn market fall 780 points before closing is because: Nancy Pelosi hurt our feelings.

Now, if that doesn't fucking infuriate just about every person in this country - then we'll know this country is insane. I don't think it is.

I have my eye on New Zealand -- but somewhere! After his grimaces and winks and finger snaps, I was weirded out! And I've seen this man in person (early this year, at a town hall) and he did not act like that! He can keep saying how delighted he is, but it looks to me like he's having a nervous breakdown. I think the joint appearance of McCain and Palin should be shown side-by-side with the 60 Minutes side-by-side of Obama and Biden. Yep, New Zealand or somewhere if McPain takes over -- it's a very disturbing thought!!

It's depressing. I repeat a very valid Andrew Sullivan question: Why isn't this race over yet?

Also, let me just say one thing to feel a little better.

Fuck Ohio

Feel a little better. Sorry, but meant it.

What more has to happen for them to settle for a black guy for President? Honestly. Palin helping McLame in OH?...Let's face it. Only major reason still OH holding onto McLame is because the other good option is colored. True also for several other states. But OH is especially depressing that they still are not offended by Palin. They're totally fucked now for 8 years but they still seem happy to bend over.

it might not be racism, there might actually be people in the American hinterland who identify with Palin more then they would with McCain or Obama.

Palin Makes sense to them.

it might be like during the primary when everyone knew that "Godzilla" was toast and yet millions came out and voted for her,in places like NC and Indiana and ND, MT.
at some point there bonding and we I identify with a person and after that nothing else matters


Well if like you they think Palin is a comparable substitution to Hillary we're fucked.

Kash: Ditto, fuck Ohio.

This is a subject dear to my heart. But I blame hayseeds and Talebangelicals not so much for being racist but for being thick as a brick -- and proud of it.

We are coterminus at the same destination, however: Fuck Ohio.

Re: the exchange between Palin and the graduate student. Did it occur to anyone else that Palin thinks that Waziristan is a country?

Here is a transcription of the exchange (video here):

Grad student: "How about the Pakistan situation? What are your thoughts about that?"
Palin: "Pakistan?"
Grad: "Like what's going on over there. Like Waziristan."
Palin: [unintelligible, probably no different with the background noise]
Grad: "Waziristan is blowing up, you know."
Palin: "Yeah, it is. And the economy there is blowing up too."

This comes right before the 2:00 mark in the CNN video.

Now, what I think is clear from this exchange is that she has no idea what Waziristan even is but thinks, perhaps because it ends in "stan," it is one of those countries, you know, over there. There are many things one could say about the current state of affairs in Waziristan, but among them would not be that the "economy is blowing up." This is a statement one makes about a nation-state, not about a region of a nation-state. It is also a mindless chit chat that could only come from someone who knows next to nothing about Pakistan, much less the world, and so relies on stock filler phrases. I even suspect that this is the very first time that she has heard the word "Waziristan" spoken out loud. No doubt in her debate prep they stay on the surface and speak only of "tribal regions."

This is a part of that conversation in the "pizza place" that I would like to see discussed.

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I have no doubts that she thought Waziristan was an actual country.

Incidentally, there are no countries ending in -stan that start with a 'w', or even vaguely sound like the word Waziristan (Trivia: there are seven countries ending in -stan. They are Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan.) So if she knew basic world geography, she should have known it wasn't a country. Even if she had no clue what region of the world it was in, she should have been able to guess that it wasn't a country.

Waziristan is a province in Pakistan.

Though I am not convinced that she didn't know it wasn't a country.


And now for a reality check.

Are you better off than you were eight years ago.

Look what Bush/McCain Fuzzy Math has accomplished. Now factor in how much less you can purchase with the dollar today, than you could eight years ago, and you will really get a true appreciation for how much Bush/McCain have drained the economic vitality from the nation, with their imbecilic invasion of Iraq, and their imbecilic de-regulation of all major financial operations.

DOW January 19, 2001: 10,587.59
DOW September 29, 2008: 10,365.45

NASDAQ Jan 19, 2001 = 2770.38
NASDAQ September 29, 2008 = 1983.73

CPI, January 19, 2001: 175
CPI, September 29, 2008: 219

Dollar exchange with Euro, January 19, 2001: 1.068
Dollar exchange with Euro, September 29, 2008: .695

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Okay, you know what's weird? When they committed to this interview, they had one goal:

1. Correct Palin's Pakistan gaffe, without making her look like a nincompoop on foreign policy.

Also, there was one question they had to know was coming:

1. Well then, what is your policy on Pakistan?

Given those two things, why didn't the campaign come up with a short, three-sentence policy description that she could have given when the question came up? She could have memorized it in the green room, and it would have let her look a little smarter about foreign affairs, plus given the voters some reassurance that the McCain campaign actually does have policies, since he got hit in the debates for being vague about his actual plans. There is no lose there. The answer Palin actually gives is a non-answer, it has no substance and makes no sense (seriously, "We can't show our cards" is your Pakistan policy?!? It's not comforting when your policy plan for terrorism in Pakistan strongly resembles your policy plan for strip poker). They should have just taken three minutes to give the woman a policy plan that would keep her from looking like a moron on national TV. Again.

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Having her appear with him doomed their objective from the start.

It just looks ridiculous.

"Daddy there with her" is not a proof of READINESS!!!!

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I think they wanted him to give a 'I still support my running mate' statement.

Why they didn't have him call a separate presser to say that, then let her go one-on-one with Katie I don't know. That'd be two publicity shots for the price of one.

I seriously don't grok the way their campaign deals with things.

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I think your analysis is correct. But again, for every step forward they attempt to take, something happens to take them backward or downward or around in crazy circles.

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I betcha those gotcha journalists are right now thinking up ways to stick it to them both!

mcShame will not get away with dissing the press! And dissing Katie. Well, I guarantee you the big guys are gonna come her to defense. Not that she needs it. And not that they'll claim to be defending her. But the attacks on McCrapShoot are gonna ramp up like the tectonic plates creating the Himalayas. I predict major, major outbreaks of "Gotcha" in the Press, the blogs, the MSM. mcShame ain't seen nothing yet is my prediction!!!

The man is politically suicidal. No other word will do here. He seems to want to go out in a blaze of Infamy. And that he will!!!

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Yeah, he is suicidal.

Wow - I wonder what drives this whole thing -

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A character disorder.

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Yes I think it was always there - look back at pictures of the very young McLame - his eyes tell you the whole thing.

He's very insecure. He knows he doesn't measure up to his father and grandfather.

Probably right.

Well you know, up here in Alaska, Todd and I keep our eyes peeled to make sure that none of them foreign journalists have sneaked in from Gotchastan.

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LOLOLOL!!!!

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Gosh, I feel better already!

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O shit - nobody told me - Rich Lowry said she was dreadful this weekend?

Rich Lowry?

holy shit.

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Yeah, I read that.

But then these bozos are forced to sit in a corner till they rethink things.... and boom! change their minds some of them.

Did any one pay saw her face during the interview?

The gloss on her face has eroded, her charm and her initial confidence are absent. As I said, above it's possible McLame is verbally abusing her in private. We all know McCain's opinion on women in general anyways.

But I don't feel sorry for her. He is commit a treason by wanting her an heartbeat away from the presidency and she's shamelessly willing to risk the future of this country in her unprecedented shortcut to the power halls of D.C. I don't feel sorry for her, but I do think McCain is turning more and more disgusting.

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totally co-sign

All they can do is cross their fingers hope against hope that somehow she manages to rise to a Dan Quayle-esque level of competence at the debate.

With the Couric interview out there, even cancelling the debate to deal with a rogue grizzly bear or other Alaskan emergency won't cut it, since we're left with the images from Katie.

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We're left those images anyway. It doesn't matter now what she does at the debate.

She's like American Idol - people will watch for the entertainment and if she does well, they'll say - good for her.

And that's it - we're in trouble. Voters are in no mood to elect someone who would have to learn on the job - if in fact she had shown any evidence that she can learn.

She can't.

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That's a plot I can follow....

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meant for upstairs.

I'm sure Palin is relieved to have a tagline that defends her slip ups. "Gotcha journalism." I'm sure it will exonerate her from the liberal wizzardry that's been cast against her lately. Like when people ask tricky questions like "What is your foreign policy experience" and "What do you think of the bailout?" Damn those tricky journalists for all their questions of the person who seeks to be #2 in charge OF THE COUNTRY.

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Yeah, try that with Ifill on Thursday...

No, those are "trapdoor questions" according to McCain strategist Nancy Pfotenhauer, you know: those questions that, when answered by an incompetent VP, cause the GOP ticket to go into free fall.

Gotcha questions are when a meanie-mean-mean voter screams "You'd better have an answer for Pakistan!"

(I love the way she characterizes his question. It's how she probably heard it, psychologically: not, "what is your opinion about this scenario?" but "what is the correct answer to the question 'Pakistan?'")

Jeez, just the fact that she has to *keep answering* questions about her "readiness" is all ye need to know...

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BINGO!

You betcha! An' th' way she has ta *keep* remindin' an' remindin' them about how close Putin's head is, ya know, jus' right, y'know, jus' right over *There* y'know, which, really, is a lot of how we need to have good health care for Americans who, y'know, drill for oil so we can have clean energy not for the Pakistanis who, y'know, deserve democracy, but really, now I remember, pretty much just on their side of the border there! I mean, it's really ... what's that word? Y'know?

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Certifiable!!!

This is bizzare.

They're victims to their own plot. They thought they'd shield her from the press with limited access as possible. But every rare occassionshe ventures out she seems worse than the previous occassion. And before you know there is a big debate around the corner and no one believes she's ready for an internship in the WH, forget VP.

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And every time they try to sweep up the mess from the last interview... they create another mess!

It's a backwards pyramid scheme! As their losses mount and mount!

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Well, at this point, I think all the stars are aligned against the mcCraps Table. There's the economy. There's Obama. There's us. The press. The Law of Karma. The gift that keeps on giving. And millions and millions of Americans are waking up and THINKING!

All we've got is one lunatic and his ditzy Dame. Puttin' on the Ritz. While all hell breaks loose around them!

Here's one "lunatic" and his "ditzy Dame" putting on the Ritz that seems appropriate to what is happening to their campaign

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH2nQHPs4aA&feature=related


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Yes! PERFECT!

Somebody... please do the ad. This is just perfect!

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At least we can laugh here. But picture the scene at mcCraps Headquarters. Or Hindquarters - as the case may be!

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But picture the scene at mcCraps Headquarters. Or Hindquarters - as the case may be!

O god.


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There was something sick in the dynamic between those two in that interview. McCain jumped in on a question that Couric directed specifically toward Palin and came off looking like a sexist, condescending twit. He didn't want her to talk at all. I think maybe he really loathes her now and hates that he's stuck with her.

Couric just looked stunned at this pathetic drama.

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Well put.

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O well said - yeah.

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I have an answer for your question.

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Feh.  Right link for the answer, wrong link for the question.

In any event, lookey here!

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I did I did and I left you an LOL upthread.

;)

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Concerns About Palin's Readiness

Article just out in the Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/us/politics/30palin.html?hp

Well, there is nothin' in that article about The Issue Whose Name We Dare Not Speak..... Look, Sarah's 44 and she's already a mean, moody woman with a gun, right? Well, what the hell would she be like as a mean, moody woman Vice President... with a gun... who's goin' through The Change?

Well, ok, yes, she'd be exactly like Dick Cheney. But, y'know, apart from that. She'd be Dick Cheney With Hot Flashes. Is this what we want?

She's a better shot than Cheney.

Katie Couric is so smug and snarky in that interview that only someone wearing Obamite lenses would think that McCain and Palin came off poorly. Couric is the one who seems like a cub reporter desperately trying to coax a money shot.

Couric should finally be put out of her misery and be packed off to her country estate to retire in her well-earned irrelevancy.

Gonna be a long eight years for you, isn't it?

You are on FIRE today. Carry on...

I pray for the safety of your colleagues at the mail sorting room that Fox News remains on air so you have at least some outlet for the vast oceans of impotent rage and frustration that is going to build inside you from now until 2016.

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There must be some kind of "counter" that, like machine driven stock market moves, causes the sudden arrival of strange thinking ... when a thread gets so long.

Just a thought. But I'm guessing it's like computer trading of stocks. You've got computer commenting... based on a certain market volume or thread length.

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Gotcha Citizenship! I'll go for more cheap points like this. Republic Not Dead.

Mass Distraction 24/7! Most of the rest is the same from the prior day. McCain and Palin are done, address other issues.

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Yeah, but there's a certain fascination in watching a slow-motion train-wreck in progress.

This wasn't just a gaffe to a voter, she was repeating what she told Charlie Gibson in her ABC interview regarding Pakistan. And that's on tape.

as expected the world markets are not happy about the bill not passing.
http://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/

What I find so appalling is that Palin could only think of Roe v. Wade re: Supreme Court. Seriously, what about the demise of fairness and democracy lost forever in Bush v. Gore, where the hell was she then????

There were so many EASY cases she could think of!

Marlboro versus Madison, which established instant replay review...

The Ted Scott decision, which legalized slavery in Hawaii...

Bush versus Clinton, when the Supreme Court ruled 7 to 5 that Bush won the election...

Kramer v. Kramer....

Brown v. Board of Health...

I could go on all day.

Don't forget Finders v. Keepers and Smeltit v. Dealtit.

Seriously, what about the demise of fairness and democracy lost forever in Bush v. Gore
I'll look into that and get back to ya! You betcha!
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If the congress can grow enough brain to sink the bailout, there is hope these people won't get elected.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/mussolini-style-corporatism-in-action.html

What's this about "Gotcha journalism?" Hasn't this entire campaign been "gotcha politics?"

Only if you mean what you say.

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I don't get that first line at all - sink the bailout.

The market dropped 777 points on sinking the bailout. The foreign markets woke up with a bad case of the Wall Street Flu - which is spreading.

What is your alternative? Let it continue to slide? Ignore everyone who has all the information and is saying that something needs to be done?

I'm not worried about his ability to air quote - I thought he insulted Couric by calling her a so-called expert.
And why the funny story about Reagen. He needs to stop with the ancient stories. I'm 54 and he is boring me with his remembering when crap.

Or the Ike story, OMG, I only knew that one from reading history. I suspect anyone under 50 didn't know what the hell he was talking about half the time.

What is THIS all about? Why is this posted here? Some flippin waltzing matilda crap?

That wasn't for you Amelie, that was for my post - that was also posted in the correct place way up thread. So of course when you try to correct anything on here it just gets worse - shoulda known.

It does make me curious what post you were responding to. I happen to like when the band plays waltzing matilda

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPFjToKuZQM&feature=related

sort of a look into the world as McCain sees it.

I thought the phrase meant wandering aimlessly around and I was refering to the server being in Austraila.
I like the Tom Waits song "Waltzing Matilda" from the Small Change album.
Thanks for the link to the other song and connecting it to McCains age.

Every photo op Olberman showed tonight had Bristol following her mother around. How horrible that must be, as she keeps pulling her sweater over her stomach.

Too bad the Palins most likely don't believe in therapy.

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Was Palin carrying Trig around? It drives me nuts to see her doing official business while carrying Trig around.

Gergen is truly pissed off at the House Republicans. "Shockingly irresponsible." Regarding the Pelosi excuse - "poor babies..."

I'm surprised Palin didn't lay out an economic bail out considering she goes to the bank monthly.

Jesus. This just gets
better and better -- the depths
of her ignorance . . .

http://thehaikudiaries.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/september-29-2008-3/

The ventriloquist and the dummy. Biden doesn't have to pull his punches, this group is not ready for prime time.

Given the lull:

This has been been a rough day, in spite of the continued implosion of the McCain/Palin ticket. This weekend this was posted by renegademom (I believe) -- it offers anoter vision other than imploding stock markets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY

I should add, another vision when we finally have leadership of someone like Obama.

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Yeah it's a great vid.

Thanks for that.

So, I assume we can now use this same defense about "sticking microphones in people's faces" when they don't expect and "taking words out of context" when the Republicans bring up the "clinging to guns and religion"?

Because isn't it basically the exact same kind of deal?

I wonder, don't her kids go to school?

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That's a very good question.

Home schooled I believe. (Shudder)

Random bit of information:

Nate at 538 (has a ring to it, eh?) has Missouri as a toss up!

May the ghost of Harry Truman kick McLame's hindquarters...