In Statement On Economy, Obama Stresses Need For "Bipartisan Spirit"
Barack Obama just delivered a sober and somber statement on the economic crisis, stressing the need for "bipartisan spirit" and calling for he and McCain to "come together" -- implicitly contrasted his own call for unity with McCain's attacks this morning.
While saying a detailed blueprint is inappropriate at this time, Obama laid out broad principles and called for emergency measures for working families.
In the same bipartisan spirit that is being shown with regard to the crisis on Wall Street, I ask Senator McCain, President Bush, Republicans and Democrats to join me in supporting an emergency economic plan for working families -- a plan that would help folks cope with rising gas and food prices, spark job creation through repair of our schools and roads, help states and cities avoid painful budget cuts and tax increases, help homeowners stay in their homes, and provide retooling assistance for America's auto industry.John McCain and I can continue to argue about our different economic agendas for next year, but we should come together now to work on what this country urgently needs this year...
Given the gravity of this situation, and based on conversations I have had with both Secretary Paulson and Chairman Bernanke, I will refrain from presenting a more detailed blue-print of how an immediate plan might be structured until I can fully review the details of the plan proposed by the Treasury and the Federal Reserve. It is critical at this point that the markets and the public have confidence that their work will be unimpeded by partisan wrangling, and that leaders in both parties work in concert to solve the problem at hand.
The political challenge for both candidates is obvious: Balance the attacks on the opposition that are necessary to gain and keep traction on the issue with the sort of somber calls for unity and compromise that are appropriate to the gravity of the deepening crisis. Full Obama remarks after the jump.
We are facing one of the most serious financial crises in this nation's history. The events of the last week - from the failure of Lehman to the bailout of AIG to the continued volatility of the market - have not just threatened the trading floors and high-rises of Wall Street, but the stability and security of our entire global economy. Across this country, Americans are worried about whether they can make their mortgage payments, or keep their jobs, or ensure that their retirement is secure. Truly, we are all in this together.
Our government and the Federal Reserve have already taken unprecedented action to prevent a deepening of this crisis that could jeopardize the life savings and well-being of millions of Americans. But it is now clear that even bolder and more decisive action is necessary.
In recent years, I have outlined plans that would have helped prevent the problems we now face, and yesterday I proposed the outlines of a plan that would establish a more stable and permanent solution to strengthen our financial system. Today, I fully support the effort of Secretary Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke to work in a bipartisan spirit with Congress to find this kind of solution.
What we're looking at right now is to provide the Treasury and the Federal Reserve with as broad authority as necessary to stabilize markets and maintain credit. We need a more institutional response to create a system that can manage some of the underlying problems with bad mortgages, help homeowners stay in their homes, protect the retirement and savings of working Americans.
In the coming days, I will more closely examine the details of the Treasury and Fed proposal, and as I do, I'll work to ensure that it provides an effective emergency response by including four basic principles that my economic advisors and I just discussed this morning.
First, we cannot only have a plan for Wall Street. We must also help Main Street as well. I'm glad that our government is moving so quickly in addressing the crisis that threatens some of our biggest banks and corporations. But a similar crisis has threatened families, workers and homeowners for months and months and Washington has done far too little to help.
For too long, this Administration has been willing to hit the fast-forward button in helping distressed Wall Street firms while pressing pause when it comes to saving jobs or keeping people in their homes. We already know that the credit crisis that has emerged from our largest financial institutions is becoming a credit crunch for small business owners, homeowners, and students seeking loans in big cities and small towns. Now that American taxpayers are being called on to share in this new burden, we must take equally swift and serious action to help lift the burdens they face every day.
In the same bipartisan spirit that is being shown with regard to the crisis on Wall Street, I ask Senator McCain, President Bush, Republicans and Democrats to join me in supporting an emergency economic plan for working families - a plan that would help folks cope with rising gas and food prices, spark job creation through repair of our schools and roads, help states and cities avoid painful budget cuts and tax increases, help homeowners stay in their homes, and provide retooling assistance for America's auto industry. John McCain and I can continue to argue about our different economic agendas for next year, but we should come together now to work on what this country urgently needs this year.
The second principle I would like to see in the emerging plan from the Treasury and the Fed is that our approach should be one of mutual responsibility and reciprocity. It must not be designed to reward particular companies or the irresponsible decisions of borrowers or lenders. It must not be designed to enhance the personal gain of CEOs and management. The recklessness of some of these executives has helped cause this mess, even as they walk away with multimillion dollar golden parachutes while taxpayers are left holding the bag. As taxpayers are asked to take extraordinary steps to protect our financial system, it is only appropriate that those who benefit be expected to contribute to the protection of American homeowners and the American economy. Just as support is not designed to payoff egregious executive compensation, it should not reward those who are ruthlessly foreclosing on American families.
Third, this plan must be temporary and coupled with tough new oversight and regulations of our financial institutions, and there must be a clear process to wind down this plan and restore private sector assets into private sector hands after restoring stability to the system. Taxpayers must share in any upside benefit that such stability brings.
Fourth, this plan should be part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20. This is a worldwide issue, and while the United States can and will lead in stabilizing the credit markets, we should ask other nations, who share in this crisis, to be part of the solution as well.
One last point. We did not arrive at this crisis by some accident of history. What led us to this point was years and years of a philosophy in Washington and on Wall Street that viewed even common-sense regulation and oversight as unwise and unnecessary; that shredded consumer protections and loosened the rules of the road. CEOs and executives got reckless. Lobbyists got what they wanted. Politicians in both parties looked the other way until it was too late. And it is the American people who have paid the price. The events of this week have rendered a final verdict on that failed philosophy, and it will end if I am President of the United States. We must build upon the ideas I have laid out over the last several years about how to modernize our financial regulation in this country, and establish commonsense rules of the road for our financial system to help restore confidence in our financial system.
Finally, given the gravity of this situation, and based on conversations I have had with both Secretary Paulson and Chairman Bernanke, I will refrain from presenting a more detailed blue-print of how an immediate plan might be structured until I can fully review the details of the plan proposed by the Treasury and the Federal Reserve. It is critical at this point that the markets and the public have confidence that their work will be unimpeded by partisan wrangling, and that leaders in both parties work in concert to solve the problem at hand.
I know these are difficult days. And I know there are a lot of families out there right now who are feeling anxiety - about their jobs, about their homes, about their retirement savings. But here's what I also know. This isn't a time for fear or panic. This is a time for resolve and for leadership. I know we can steer ourselves out of this crisis. That's who we are. That's what we've always done as Americans. Our nation has faced difficult times before. And at each of those moments, we've risen to meet the challenges as one people, and one nation. That is the America we need to be and can be today.















Obama-Biden'08: Fundamentally right in the economy!
September 19, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama - Statesman
McCain - Politician
September 19, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama - Politician
McCain - Lightweight
September 19, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
After watching both speeches today, it was obvious who is the grown up here. And the fact that McCain confused the SEC with the FEC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s9IERbxFFA
John McCain: Another day, another gaffe, another lie. That's a daily pattern of bad politics that we can believe in.
September 19, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do we have video of the Obama statement? Where did you see it?
September 19, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama -- Country First
McCain -- Win the Goddamn Election First
September 19, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny. A moose supporting the guy who put the country first by picking a VP candidate who knows more about moose hunting than anything to do with politics.
You give a bad name to moose everywhere.
September 19, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I resemble that remark.
September 19, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're really that surprised that a moose would support Obama - considering what Palin does to his brethren?
September 19, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hell, she's more violent and vindictive than Boris and Natasha.
September 19, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
My apologies Mr. Moose. I had it backwards.
Glad you're on board with Obama against the evil moose hunters!
September 19, 2008 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. Obama's my Rock(y).
September 19, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
posted in the thread on raines, but much better here (this thread wasn't there when i started typing the original post):
once again, obama proving that he is exponentially more fit for office than mccain. mccain, for the fifth time in five days, shot off his mouth in a reactionary and emotional manner regarding one of the biggest financial crises in history (if not the biggest). to quote a now-famous governor, "he didn't blink." he also didn't consider ... ONCE AGAIN.
obama, on the other hand, met with highly regarded economic minds, was briefed by the experts on the issues, and said that he's not going to offer any specific thoughts until he sees what is proposed by the treasury and/or the fed. which, of course, is the PRUDENT and WISE thing to do. as he said, the best thing to do now is to take a measured and thoughtful approach, see what the fed and treasury chairmen are proposing, and go from there.
contrast that with mccain and his sweeping, gaffe-filled, ill-considered set of specifics ... for the fifth time in 5 days, always self-contradictory, ever-changing, because he hasn't, to quote himself, "considered the actual situation on the ground." the irony, given that last stump soundbite offered hundreds of times by mccain, is staggering.
September 19, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is kind of amazing that he can have such a calming effect. The contrast between the two is so great.
September 19, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Was this a speech or a written statement?
September 19, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I assume it was a speech, as I caught him talking questions from reporters on CNN.
September 19, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Jonze. So this was a press conference? Wow. That is just amazing. Very skillful. Obama's been attacking all week, but he evidently knows exactly when to transcend the battle and call for bipartisanship. (going into the weekend news cycle) McCain has no choice but to agree with Obama or risk looking shallow and petty. Maybe he can antagonize another ally.
Well-done O-Team!
September 19, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was a prepared speech followed by a press avail.
September 19, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a link:
http://www.cnn.com/video/savp/evp/?loc=dom&vid=/video/politics/2008/09/19/sot.obama.economy.entire.cnn
enjoy
September 19, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did McCain take any questions after his statement?
September 19, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
i don't think so -- mccain's wasn't a press conference. it was a speech to supporters (hence the cheers during his speech).
September 19, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
As much as I want to credit Obama for class, here, you've got to keep in mind he's got an ulterior motive.
He's actually going to be the one to win the Presidency and inherit this mess to clean up. McCain doesn't have that worry, so he can say whatever the hell he wants and knows it doesn't matter.
September 19, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am sure McCain is more optimistic about his chances than that.
September 19, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember this during Obama's Middle East/European trip - Obama is handling himself in a very presidential manner. He's demonstrating leadership, and oddly enough, with Bush increasingly irrelevant, that leadership is desperately needed.
Dare I say that the Obama administration has already begun?
September 19, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go for it. Being daring.
September 19, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
He was also the only one of the Big 3 who took questions today!
September 19, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Something tells me at Mccain campagn HQ that shattering sound was ole John hurling a shot glass at the wall. Obama just did jujitsu brilliantly. Mccain loves to roll around in his bi-partisan rhetoric and how he has "reached" aross the aisle. Obama set him to perfection. Allow him to attack away then step in with statesman like savy and take away the one thing that Mccain thinks he owns above all else in politics. Not just take it away but completley blunt attacks by a pivot to bi-partisan stance in a huge crisis. Brilliant, I do mean Brilliant. He could have easily got caught up in the slam Mccain back mode but isntead used Mccain's greatest strength to appear magninmous, perscient and keenly focused on what really matters. I know I am a homer but still gotta say that was a deft move.
September 19, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly my thought. He sounded magnanimous and presidential, while cutting McConfused off at the knees on the bi-partisan stuff (and took on his own party, too). A great job.
September 19, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, the line "I will reach across the aisle, .." is a pathetic, tired platitude usually uttered by a morally bankrupt hack with no intention to do anything of the kind.
September 19, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you seeing the Obama rally live?
Some people with "Blacks against Obama" signs...
How bizarre!
September 19, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
They left. Everything solved. Moving on.
September 19, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thats all they got anymore. This last month is going to be one helluva ride.
September 19, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alan Keyes was there?
September 19, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
wow, obama has really started ratcheting up the heat ... a few of my favorites:
"john mccain will r
"it's clear that john mccain is panicking ..."
[talking about john mccain's recent flury of mistakes and flip-flops, and his total abandonment of any principles in the campaign] "it's really just sad to watch ..."
"john mccain's solution to the current problems is to blame me for all of them. this is the guy who, for the entire campaign, has said i haven't been in washington long enough ... now i'm responsible for all of its failures" [to laughter and jeers]
this is like watching a heavyweight whale on a flyweight up against the ropes. if mccain weren't such a two-faced lying sack of shit, i'd almost feel sorry for him.
September 19, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
wow, and edit feature would be great. i have no idea what that first half-quote is.
September 19, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lol ah the rain at the parade..Diago poll only Obama by one?? Mmm o well guess a good day can never be perfect!
September 19, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I noticed that. The tightening tracks with a closing of the gap on their "economy" question. On Monday, Obama led on that question, 47-40. By Wednesday, it was down to a 44-39 Obama advantage. Now, it's only 44-41.
In times like these, some people look for a person to lead them out of the mess who represents change, a break from the status quo, somebody with a positive message and good ideas. Others look to the granddad they've known for years, regardless of what he says or does or what he represents. I think what you're seeing are the latter running away from the new guy and into the arms of the devil they know. Let's just hope it doesn't tighten any further.
Then again, it's only one tracker. Ras was static and the Kos poll showed movement towards Obama. Let's see what Gallup's daily says today...and we'll find out in just a few minutes.
September 19, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gallup Daily:
O49 - M44
Obama +1 from yesterday.
September 19, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please stop interpreting margin of error gyrations in polls. Here is a hint: When the poll says 46-42 MOE 3 in your head you read it's [49-43] to [45-39]. Gyrations anywhere in that range are neither worth your time, nor worth making up a story about.
September 19, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
With a 4 point lead and a MOE of 3, you shouldn't really be surprised if the lead is 1 the next day, or if it's 7.
September 19, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama sounded presidential.
McCain continues to sound like a guy who found out the buffet line ran out of tapioca five minutes early.
September 19, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain had an opportunity to demonstrate his presidential chops and instead was still fighting yesterday's battle. I'm pretty sure he's losing it right now.
September 19, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
yes you may so dare.....
obama/biden08 leadership we can believe in!!!!
September 19, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama in Florida: "McCain is panicked right now"
Brilliant!
September 19, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time to bury the dead horse before he stinks.
September 19, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whats very important here is for Obama to portray himself as a leader with solutions. Hence his economic advisors standing next to him and taking questions from reporters. You know McCain is having a bad week when he has to bring up the patriotism attacks.
September 19, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mccain is in deep panic mode. Its odd but in his attempt to put so much distance between himself and Bush it may have backfired a bit. Yes I am no fan of 44 and what he has done to this country, however, his speech today was good (ugh that hurt typing that) and he made the only move he could. Mccain could have stood right next to Bush and appeared "with it" "experienced" "ready to lead" instead he droned on about platitudes and attacked at air in far away Wisc. Obama instead took the bi-partisan track and again brilliantly and gracefully made Mccain look worn, bitter and out of touch.
September 19, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama 49 Mccain 44...in Gallup
September 19, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wall Street Journal bitch-slaps McCain
September 19, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
In other words, McHothead screwed the pooch.
...again,
LK
September 19, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lets see if I beat geha. Gallup O - 49, M - 44.
September 19, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Supa do I get a prize Ok I want a 6 pack of Hoegaarden and Mccain angry meltdown for 1st debate
September 19, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll give you a meltdown but I refuse to buy pinko-commie beer!
September 19, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy rope-a-dope. Obama makes the above mature, cautious, well thought-out, presidential statement above addressing the current crisis. The McCain camp, thinking Obama was going to be like them, provided a pre-emptive response that, in retrospect, makes them look like little children:
http://thepage.time.com/mccain-camp-response-to-obamas-economic-remarks-in-coral-gables-florida/
Of course, over at The Corner, they're saying that Obama's comments above are evidence that the Obama camp is still "grasping" for something to say. That's right - in times like these, we need emotional, shoot from the hip responses. You know, like what we experienced for most of the Bush administration. Or, you know, like McCain.
September 19, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL, i think that's the second time in two days they've tried the preemptive response, and the second time they've come off looking like idiots.
September 19, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's priceless. Don't hold your breath waiting for that asshole Halperin to provide an update, though.
September 19, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Obama is too thoughtful. He met with experts, listended to their advice and now is going to review the President's plan before he announces his plan.
What Obama doesn't understand is that he has to go with his gut. His instincts. Thinking and analysis and meeting with experts--That's Presidential? Oh, my God, it is!!! I forgot.
These last 8 years I've wanted a president I could have a beer with and who made major decisions based on his gut.
A smart, thoughtful President? "Yes, We Can!"
Obama/Biden!
September 19, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Suddenly everything looks brighter.You can't help being impressed with Obama. He looks the part, he talks the part, can't wait until he IS the part!
Please let CNN run over & over on the week end, Mc Cain & Obama, like they have with the candidates revealed & profiled back to back. As many people as possible need to see & compare.
Obama Biden 08!
September 19, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
September 19, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
deja vu
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jxBCAaulG-k
September 19, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain has so hosed himself with his phony populism this week.
Now that the market meltdown seems to have halted, he can't even claim credit for either a bipartisan fix from Congress or for Paulson's Republican/technocrat market management.
That's what you get when you can't look further ahead than the next hour's news cycle.
September 19, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now that the market meltdown seems to have halted
Don't hold your breath. We just applied a $1T bandaid. Or perhaps cardiac resuscitation is the better analogy.
September 19, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I’d like to slowdown a little bit and take a look at what is being proposed. The Patriot Act was rushed through in a “crisis” and that worked out great, didn’t it?
If the markets are that shaky, suspend trading for a week. It didn’t hurt to do that after 9/11 and it slowed the rush to panic. I do not want the next decade of government spending to be decided in a closed room over the weekend. Let’s discuss this before acting.
September 19, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't hold your breath. The politicians are running for cover- they'll quickly and happily eat whatever shit the technocrats dish out. And we, of course, will pay the bill, and pay and pay.
September 19, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know I've had a big swig of the kool-aid but sometimes I wonder what we did to merit such a fantastic candidate.
Sometimes I think Big O is better than this country deserves.
I just wish he was coming into office with a gigantic surplus like Bush instead of the economic crisis he is going to have on his plate. For those of us too young to have memories of FDR this will be our chance to see what it was like.
September 19, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hear ya. It would nice if he had a surplus. One of the reasons I reassessed how I felt about B. Clinton was given the relative peace and prosperity that we experience, he didn't leveraged it to lead the country in a significant way.
But if we have to face this crisis, domestically and overseas, then I'm glad we have the chance to put Obama in the White House.
The silver lining is that this stuff came home to roost before he took office, so the Repubs can't say it's his fault (although in February 2009 they'll be blaming every negative economic indicator on Obama).
September 19, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just wish he was coming into office with a gigantic surplus
Dire times call for great leaders. Obama, if elected, will guide us through this. Nobody else can.
September 19, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm really proud to be an Obama supporter!
This guy is what this country needs.
September 19, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Bi-partisan" is just another con. Forget it. For just once let's fight for what is right and not just do the easy "bi-partisan" crap, which always turns out to be terrible (see above comment re the Patriot Act.)
September 19, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
By all rational political measures, Obama is handling the financial crisis better than McCain, who is beginning to sound like he thinks he's the reincarnation of Huey Long. But most voters are NOT rational (just as most investors are not).
The behavioral finance guys say that in times of stress, people tend to get in touch with their Paleolithic selfs -- that is, they fall back on primitive mental processes that were developed for coping with life in the wild.
When the going really gets tough, the big social apes (chimps, gorillas) tend to take their lead from the old silverbacks in the troop -- experience trumps strength and dominance.
McCain is definitely the silverback in this race, even if he is a mentally addled, clueless one. So I wonder if he might not benefit if the crisis gets too scary (like it did earlier this week.)
On the other hand, if things chill out a bit on Wall Street, then maybe Obama gains, since the economy is still his best issue and it would keep the media morons from prattling on about whatever line of shit the McCain campaign is feeding them.
September 19, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
And McWar still does not get it, and he is pushing for his plan to privatize social security...
Another gaffe from McWar, and he does not get it...
HE IS SO OUT OF TOUCH...
September 19, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
The statement and the following Q&A are up now over at cnn.com
I just watched it, and I have to say that if I didn't know better I would think Obama is already president.
I can tell you he has a very good grasp on what is going on. If this is any indication of how he will lead once in office (and I think it is) I am more confident than ever that we will be in very good hands.
Hell, we should just make him honorary president for the next couple months just to keep some sanity in the markets.
Oh, and he going absolutely crush McCain on economic issues in the debates.
September 19, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Prior to McCain giving his speech today, Palin offered her own remarks. She said that McCain was prophetic when it comes to the economy, that he has been prophetic about a lot of things, including the war ON Iraq.
Did anyone else catch that?
September 19, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once again Barack was very presidential 2day and also we know it's the right wings racist neo cons that brung out that radical islamic extremist DVD,once again tryin to brain wash these uneducated white racist hicks in small town like W.VA and rural ohio and pennsylvania,but it's not gonna work this time american people is not that stupid,u don't need 2 like Barack bkuz of his skin color,u don't need 2 like Barack bkuz of his votin record or his views r 2 liberal or far to the left or he's an elitist which is dumb,they is attackin Barack and Michelle bkuz they went 2 harvard and princeton university and mccain wan't to paint both of em as 2 highly educated uppity niggas lookin down on u dumb white racist rednecks,but when Barack did his trip overseas and those world leaders gave him the utmost respect not bkuz he black but bkuz he's highly smart and he believes in tough diplomacy which mccain and bush dumb ass don't that's when I knew this man was destine 4 greatness,so for all those close minded dense racist neocon GOP's trolls on this TPM blogs go fuck your self,also 2 husseintena X ignore those who oppose u,they take pride in being ignorant.
September 19, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink