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Hillary Weighs In On Lipstick-Gate, Doesn't Attack Palin

Hillary defended Obama from the GOP lipstick brigade at a D.C. news conference today, saying that Obama's comment was "in no way meant as an affront" and accusing McCain's campaign of trying to "divert attention away from challenges facing Americans."

But Hillary, apparently, refused to attack or criticize Palin...

Asked about Palin and her candidacy, Clinton responded only that the campaign should be about the issues. "What I see as critical in this election ... are the differences over issues." She added, "What happens in people's lives is what really counts... That's what it should be about."

A quick word on this. Lots of you have written in to ask where Hillary is or why Hillary hasn't savaged Palin or why she hasn't been more visible at this moment.

Here's the deal. The Obama campaign is in the driver's seat on this kind of stuff. I'm told reliably by people in both the Obama and Clinton camps that there were discussions this weekend -- in advance of Hillary's appearance on Monday -- on how to proceed. Both Obama and Hillary advisers were in agreement that having Hillary personally attack Palin would result in a distraction and media circus that would create more problems than it would solve and would take the focus off McCain and the issues.

I haven't found any evidence yet that Obama's people wanted any more from Hillary on the Palin front than she's delivered. Whatever you think of this conclusion, these things get discussed and hashed out by both camps behind the scenes, and they try to agree on a course of action beforehand. The notion that Hillary would or should go out on her own and attack Palin is just at odds with how these things work.


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Somebody forgot to mention that to Carol Fowler.

She is a lose cannon. Did you see her during the Super Delegate meeting? Geeze!

Why should Hillary attack Palin? That would just create more distraction in this race than needed. Its good that she defended him though. Props to Hillary.

Here's another interpretation of the lipsticked pig: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30385369@N05/2846579155/

Very weak Garfield. It has nothing on the this.

Here's another interpretation of the lipsticked pig: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30385369@N05/2846579155/

Hillary is not the campaign slave maiden/attack dog for sexist issues. She was a major candidate and remains a powerful force on major issues. Some of those, but certainly not all, represent women's concerns and stand to motivate female voter's enthusiasms. If you want to engage Ms. Clinton's help, it is likely in the areas where she is most passionate and competent that she should be engaged, not just where, as Shakesville likes to put it, she has a cooter.

Concerns about Sarah Palin have less to do with her being a woman and more to her being a fresh shiny veneer thrown over worn out horrid ideology. Succinctly stated, "lipstick on a pig".

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Surrogates have come out barking in the last couple of days - that's perfect.

I wanted Hillary to cut loose on her, but I cannot run this campaign - Obama and Plouffe run it - and so far they've done one hell of a job.


I think we're overstimulated.

;)

Doncha know it!

Time to switch to decaf and let the team handle their jobs.

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LOL !

I love that - thanks you so much.

Okay! Okay!
:-P

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Hillary is doing what the Obama camp is telling her to and it's the right thing to do.

The last thing we need is more Palin-drama.

Bush-McCain, Bush-McCain, Bush-McCain.

That's what we need.

http://strategy08.wordpress.com

i would like to see Hillary out more on the campaign trail though. Maybe her and Biden should campaign together and BO and Bill campaign together.

Palin versus Hillary distracts from Obama versus McCain.

Eyes on the prize.

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Can someone explain to me how that works, when you don't get Palin without McLame.

IF you don't like Palin, chances are you won't vote for McLame and vice versa - I mean, it's all one - it's one ticket.

I think the problem with Hillary attacking Palin is that it gets reported as sour grapes and as a cat-fight.

I doubt very many women who really respected Hillary are now switching to Palin. Voters who see them as interchangeable enough to switch from one to the other aren't going to weight Hillary's opinion very highly.

However, I think it would be good to see Hillary hammering the McCain ticket on women's issues -- talk about issues, but focus particularly on the far-right extremism that Palin brings to the ticket.


LOL, let chris matthews do it instead. anyone else watch hardball tonight (it's still on, actually). he went batshit about the lipstick thing. it was AWESOME.

yup watching it now. Tweety is pissed. he and KO got demoted somewhat.

Except Matthews let that idiot Repub-talking-point Congresswoman off the hook when she said that Obama was sending a smear team to Alaska to get stuff on Palin. He did not challenge her on that at all in light of the fact that there is no evidence of such.

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I doubt he knew about it. But his point was right: so f'n what? What, Republicans don't hire oppo research teams?

I thought he shut her up quite niecely.

And he is right; if Obama and/or the DNC sent a huge oppo research team to Alaska we'd all be overjoyed by it. Wouldn't we? Don't the American people deserve to know the truth?

Personally, I really want to see Michelle vs. Palin.

But apparently, you guys think that would "distract" us from the "real issues."

So . . . okay, I guess. Whatever.

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LOL!

And do we have any doubt who would win that one.

McCain is using Surrogates to rape Obama.

Obama and HRC decide not to use/be a Surrogate to attack McCain/Palin.

We're going to lose this race. We can talk all we want about how we "should have" won in 2000 and 2004, and honestly we should have. But this one was a complete layup. We have the right "candidate" and the right platform and messages. We're against just about the worst candidate that has ever run for President - he can't open his mouth without lying, and that's been the case for more than two decades to people who've followed him closely. Yet here we are fucking it up seven ways to Sunday by repeating every single mistake we made in the last two elections.

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Your concern is noted.

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Settle down, jdw1.

To quote the Grateful Dead,

got no chance of losing this time.
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The only problem with that line, of course, is that it's the desperate remark of a gambler in a downward spiral of self-delusion and despair (hence the song title: "Loser").

Great tune, though. And boy I want to be optimistic too.

if i had a gun for every lie palin told,
i could arm a town the size of ketchikan

No, for pete's sake! McCain is not ahead a single state that Kerry won. Obama is well ahead in IA (a pickup from 2004) and he is ahead in MI, CO and NV. Obama could even lose OH, FL *and* VA and he still wins.

Take a pill.

LK

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I don’t believe Obama was referring to Palin in the "lipstick on a pig" statement. However, the Obama campaign should expect that these kinds of distortions hit their campaign also, since they played the same game repeatedly during the primaries. Two examples:

1.)Bill Clinton in a speech refered to Obama’s claim that he consistently opposed the Iraq war as a “fairy tale”. He then went on to cite Obama’s statements after the 2002 speech, where he suggested that he didn’t know how he would have voted had he been in congress at the time and had seen the evidence presented to the sitting senators. Bill Clinton also noted that all of Obama’s Iraq war votes subsequent to arriving in the Senate were identical to Hillarys'. The Obama people said he was referring to the Obama’s candidacy and how Bill Clinton was suggesting that it was a fairy tale to think that a black man could win the presidency, when it was clear Bill Clinton said no such thing.

2.)Hillary referring to the role of MLK’s speeches in getting the Civil Rights Act passed suggested that speech making is good but it also took some political machinations on the part of LBJ to get the bill through congress. Again they took her words out of context saying she was elevating the role of the white man in passing the Act.

So what it shows is that with all the talk of change, smear politics is alive and well on ALL sides.

Is there evidence that *Obama* himself or any one of is campaign took the MLK/LBJ comment out of context or tried to twist it? Seriously, I don't know, but I remember commenters here at TPM trying to do that...

Here is the context in which the "fairy tale" and the "LBJ/MLK" comments took place.

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Okay thats enough. And here is Obama spinning and twisting:

Regarding "fairy tale"

Mr. Obama was asked about this outburst by Mr. Clinton earlier today. Courtesy of Jeff Zeleny, here’s the reply: “I understand they’re frustrated right now. I suspect that they’ll both try to get back on track in terms of the strategy for them to do better than they feel they’re doing right now.”

NYT

Regarding "LBJ/MLK"

“Senator Clinton made an unfortunate remark, an ill-advised remark, about King and Lyndon Johnson. I didn’t make the statement,” Mr. Obama said. “I haven’t remarked on it, and she, I think, offended some folks who felt that somehow diminished King’s role in bringing about the Civil Rights Act. She is free to explain that, but the notion that somehow this is our doing is ludicrous.”

NYT

I don't know, maybe I'm taking Obama out of context.

When is anybody in the MSM or on the blogs gonna spell out that Palin is just the Manchurian candidate of the far-right. As she would not be electable as a presidential candidate in a general election, the best thing the right wing could do was to "piggy-back" (no pun intended) her onto a more moderate candidate who is quite old with an astounding history of health problems and might (or very well might not) live through his term in office. Once Palin assumes the presidency, she would be even a worse puppet than GWB.

I preferred Huffington's characterization of her as a Trojan Moose for the right's radical policies.

The right wing tried to make Obama the Manchurian candidate of all kinds of religious and political groups (Muslims, radical African-American groups,..). So why not portrait her as some sort of dummy (which she is) that is only being used to get a foot in the door.


How about some cadaver make-up for McCain ?

The man is too old for the job ...


My friend's daughter saw the McCain Palin dog and pony show in Lancaster yesterday and was shocked at how sickly he looks.


Thanks for that - I think he is going to look half dead on stage with Obama in the debates.

There is no reason not to clobber him with his age - it is a fact.

Could we please quit beating a dead pig?

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When we were up 6 points a week ago, everybody was heralding Obama's camp as brilliant. They're still doing the same thing and now suddenly, they're the worse people around.

When you look closely at the polls, nothing has really changed. McCain got his convention bump; it's not a Palin bump. If the best he can do after his 3 day hate fest is tie Obama, then he's toast. If he's still up a week from now, I'll be worried but right now I'm not.

Also, Palin has about 10 more days in the spotlight and things will settle back to the running mates in a supporting role. And the more McCain uses her to prop up his stale campaign, the more pathetic he will look.

I disagree with your timeline on how long it will be before Palin is in a "supporting" role. This Veep debate is going to be, for better or worse, anticipated and picked over. If she proves that she is the mental midget on real issues and exposes her extremeism, THEN, I think she will recede...

hell, hopefully her whackyness gets exposed a helluva lot earlier, Charlie Gibson's "interview" notwithstanding.

In my opinion...

Guess what, they want to look pathetic:

The McCain campaign is "very seriously considering" having McCain and Palin campaign together more often than not in the next two months, a senior campaign aide said, adding it could be the most a presidential and vice presidential candidate campaign in tandem in recent history.

The aide said the two have developed a strong chemistry together and will likely utilize it through joint rallies. He likened it to the chemistry Bill Clinton and Al Gore had in 1992, suggesting it was instinctive.

"Sometimes these vice presidential selections, the pairings, work in a magical way," the aide told reporters on the Palin campaign plane, on condition of anonymity. The plane is en route to Fairbanks, AK, where Palin will see her eldest son off to military service.

The aide said there has been increased enthusiasm for the campaign as well, and the pair has been able to connect on energy and economic issues, as well as change. "And we like the images," he said.

"There's just a huge amount of enthusiasm," he said. "It clicks."

(Source: MSNBC's First Read)

McCain-Palin'08: The Same But Worst.

I wonder if the teleprompter will blow up for having to repeat the same crap over and over and over and....

Riiiight - The magical way they work together is that Palin can actually draw a crowd - McCain can't. They will try and avoid the humiliation of McCain talking to hundreds while Palin draws several thusand. Watch for McCain's solo outings to be "intimate" meet the voter picture ops and town meetings limited to a small hand picked audience.

As the Palin novelty wears off, look for her crowds to diminish as well - though no doubt she will continue to be more popular with the party faithful than the oft reviled McCain.

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Palin is the shiny object. She's like a fish lure. The fish are repub worshipers of the Trophy Person.

Here's the problem as I see it: She has to prepare for a debate plus have the puff celeb worship by Charlie Gibson. Either she prepares for the debate, in which case McShame is blowing listlessly in the wind, or she campaigns with McShame, in which case she's not preparing for the debate.

So.... McShame's "brilliant strategy" is going to fall down one way or the other.

He can't let her campaign alone - because she's totally at sea as a national/international politician. So he has to pretend this "chemistry" that keeps them "together." On the other hand... will tongue start wagging about the chemistry?

Seems to me this "pairing" is headed for trouble down the road.

What do I know? But that's my take.

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I see no chemistry between McLame and Palin. At all.

That's true, but isn't it a little like a team that plays like a champ when their ahead, but doesn't know how to play when they're behind? Was Team Obama the champ while ahead, but doesn't know how to fight after losing the lead to the McCain convention bump? I'd be happy to be disabused of the notion.

If Obama wins this election, the Clintons will forever be pariahs in the Democratic party. Hillary will find herself on the elementary school crossing guard oversight committee.

I call bullshit. Did you not see the Democratic Convention? Obama is an astute man, to say the least...

With all due respects, I disagree. Rove and Schmidt et al are fucking pissing champagne at this news.

The rest of us are drinking it.

cheers.

Well, you want to drink that champaign, be my guest...

ChamP-A-G-N-E as in champain McCain, Mr. Brain.

Think of it this way: Rove is Dr. evil. Schmidt is Mini-me. McCain is the puppet for Dr. Evil. Princess Sarah is the secret weapon.

Obama is, of course, Awesome Powers (it's shtick, right?)

So how do you rescue the world from the secret weapon? You must ask Powers' old nemesis, the only one in the universe with the powers that can match Princess Sarah's magnetic-laser-guided-opticoniscopic-death-smile, Hellery Hill.

She has the right stuff.

It helps to see the world as a comic book as I do.

I mean you no harm earthlings.

Good luck.

I agree-she has the right stuff! And she is out there. What makes you think she *needs* to call Palin out by name? To me its all inferred anyway...

Not even a chuckle? dang.

I did...

Thank God, I don't drink alcohol.

Alright, I'm calling out Greg Sargent.

Enough with the freakin' -gate suffix! GET OVER IT! COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW!!!

It sounds absolutely moronic and shows a complete lack of imagination.

You're using a 35 year old term as if it's something clever. It's not. It's old, it's creaky.

And this isn't even a controversy, except to the McInane campaign and a few pundits who are so out of touch with reality that it would be laughable, except people still listen to them.

There are REAL issues in this election. The future of the country is at stake. To compare an off-hand comment that every single person with an IQ above room temperature understood with illegal wiretapping explains why this country has sunk so far.

Enough!

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Campbell Brown just completely dismissed the sexism charge. Played footage of McCain using the lipstick line and Palin calling Clinton a whiner. Encouraging.

She needs to be on the First Team...

i think that in retrospect the MSM knows they didnt do a good enough job in looking at the swift boat allegations back ion 2004 and what we are seeing to some degree is the MSM doing a little better job at fact checking what both campaigns are saying. Its like they drink the kool aid for a few days then spit it out and start asking what was that they just tasted.

The McCain camp bashed the media all of last week and it may have intimidated some but i think it has also hardened others as well, Joe Klein being one of them, and thus they are growing more skeptical. The bottom line, the more the MSM sees a pattern developing of McCain camp's lies, the more they are going to scrutinize everything that comes out of it and thats good news for BO.

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I don't think so - I think it's bigger than that. I do.

I do not think that anyone outside of the fundie base thinks Sarah Palin is anything other than the worst political mistake ever.

I do not think that people on either side of the political spectrum is anything other than disturbed over the thought of Sarah Palin being one 72 year old heartbeat away from being CIC.

I really don't.

Sorry, with greatest respect, this is fantasy.

She appeals to all sorts of not overly bright Dr. Phil/People Magazine/UFO-curious types who are not politically engaged but like a pretty face and like celebrities and some who bought Hillary's glass-ceiling BS. (Californians voted for their governor not because they liked his politics, but because of hype.)

If you know people like the above, don't tell them what day election day falls upon!

The media is simply dying for a Hillary/Palin catfight..what fun for reporting! But what a distraction from the campaign goals. So it'd hardly be fun if you're really, really serious about the issues at hand...

No kidding, hats off to Obama and Clinton for mature judgment and political savvy that's on the side of families struggling to get by.

The media is simply dying for a Hillary/Palin catfight..what fun for reporting! But what a distraction from the campaign goals. So it'd hardly be fun if you're really, really serious about the issues at hand...

No kidding, hats off to Obama and Clinton for mature judgment and political savvy that's on the side of families struggling to get by.

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It's true: as much as we'd like to see both McCain and Palin with bloody noses, Obama & Co. seem to honestly believe they can win by letting the other guys self-destruct under the weight of their own lies, their non-existent resumes, people realizing that McCain isn't really so much a hero as a survivor (not the same thing!), that Palin is an empty pair of Blahniks, etc. I hope to Dog that he's right, but what a good feeling it will be if he is -- what a great start to a new era of politics where name-calling and bald-faced lying are not the order of the day.

I agree...his seeming strategy of calm and watchful patience requires a scary leap of faith. After years and years of disppointment and outright heartache, can he blame us for doubting him??

I agree...his seeming strategy of calm and watchful patience requires a scary leap of faith. After years and years of disppointment and outright heartache, can he blame us for doubting him??

I agree...his seeming strategy of calm and watchful patience requires a scary leap of faith. After years and years of disppointment and outright heartache, can he blame us for doubting him??

I really apologize for this "doubling" of comments. Nothing is moving quickly on my computer tonight...

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It's not you, it's the TPM server.

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Where's the Pork?

Ah. You maka me laugh! Nice.

Hillary doesn't want to get into a catfight, and she is exactly right not to.

Every minute spent talking about this diversionary crap instead of issues is a minute that goes to John McCain.

It is the economy, stupid, along with health insurance and schools and, oh yeah, war.

I never thought I would say this but I admire Clinton's strategic restraint. It makes sense to me. She and Biden are simply echoes of Obama: Issues, issues, issues.

I also understand if she did not appreciate the headlines online about Obama "unleashing" Clinton (or something similar)to attack Palin, as if the 2 of them were going to engage in mud-wrestling.

Now THAT's demeaning...

So, as Greg says, she clearly is being strategically-deployed (Fla, right? The 2 of them deciding as equals about what's the best thing to do)and is trying not to create headlines.

BTW: I say this as someone who ha to go into counseling for Hillary-hatred.

Also: Yes, this is hard for those of us (myself included)who would love for Obama to get in the dirt with the McCain campaign. But I guess when O talked about "change," he meant it.

I just didn't think he meant ME. Just those other people.

Why does it have to be a cat fight or nothing at all? Why can't Hillary take the high road and still address Palin head on as a woman but also as a leader?

There are issues and it is an historical campaign and she still has a role to play.

Her silence is just as "deafening" as McCain's silence on the issues.

Obama is letting them get away with it. I love Biden, but he cannot fight Palin because they have already set the terms of the argument. The deck is stacked folks.

That is why she keeps on lying about her record. IT DOES NOT MATTER. THEY DO NOT CARE.

We keep moaning about the lies, but it only makes us seem like whiners. Why is that? Because they hold the trump card and that card says that "it's ok to lie as long you are right."

Hillary can change the tone and the timbre of this whole sad but very real game.

The gender card has been played and now it is up to women to play it out. Not just Hillary, but Caroline Kennedy, Sibelius (she has said more than Hillary), and Oprah, et al and on and on.

Pile on.

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Thank you Hillary!!!

Why does it have to be a cat fight or nothing at all? Why can't Hillary take the high road and still address Palin head on as a woman but also as a leader?

There are issues and it is an historical campaign and she still has a role to play.

Her silence is just as "deafening" as McCain's silence on the issues.

Obama is letting them get away with it. I love Biden, but he cannot fight Palin because they have already set the terms of the argument. The deck is stacked folks.

That is why she keeps on lying about her record. IT DOES NOT MATTER. THEY DO NOT CARE.

We keep moaning about the lies, but it only makes us seem like whiners. Why is that? Because they hold the trump card and that card says that "it's ok to lie as long you are right."

Hillary can change the tone and the timbre of this whole sad but very real game.

The gender card has been played and now it is up to women to play it out. Not just Hillary, but Caroline Kennedy, Sibelius (she has said more than Hillary), and Oprah, et al and on and on.

Pile on.

Man, first off- I respect your POV. I just don't want to give Rove, et al, that much power, dig?

Are you so sure Hillary can put this to rest?

First of, you are assuming that many of the white women haven't already seen thru Palin.

Second, those who haven't seen thru Palin have to balanced against those who are *mortified* by her...

Third, I think you are putting too much emphasis on this being a *vagina* fight. Why do you think women can't see thru Palin's bullshit?

I hear where you are coming from. Really I do. It may be a wash for all I know...

I may be off base-flame away. I have to go to rehearsal, but I will check on this thread when I get back.

Peace out.

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That is why she keeps on lying about her record. IT DOES NOT MATTER. THEY DO NOT CARE.

Who are you talking about - who is THEY?


IF you mean the fundies, you're right - but they belong to McLame Palin. Nobody else qualifies for that They Do Not Care crap.

How do you know what people care about, anyway? Are you omniscient?

"They" would be the voters who attend these rallies and buy the signs and buttons and wave their hands and blog and work for their campaign.

They are the ones who have shifted the tide in "their" favor, largely because of Palin.

Who are YOU talking about? Do you honestly think that your world is the only world that counts?

If US obama supporters do not have more urgency here it may very be lost because we are so confident it's in the bag.

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If They are GOP voters, I don't know where you're going. I don't get it.

Ok - they are only appealing to about 25% of the electorate - do you think independents will buy their message?


What the hell "tide" do you mean?

The appeal here is very narrow -

Hillary doesn't have to attack Palin, but she still seems MIA in this campaign so far. Maybe she's just not getting coverage, though.

I don't think Hillary should directly attack Palin but she can help a lot by just talking about what voters or the press should legitimately demand from a serious woman contender for the White House (president or VP). This will set up a nice contrast with which voters judge Palin's performance.

I also think Hillary should stop praising Palin's VP bid unless she is that kind of feminists who believe that any woman will do.

get out there and volunteer, damn it!

just got home from "mamas for Obama" night at Santa Fe headquarters....pizza, childcare, tons of cell phones, tons of people....they are gonna put my 13 year-old on the phones and my 11 year-old on data entry. The whole family is jazzed, invested, and fucking proud.


get out there. it's fun. and it feels good too.

Thats the right approach from Obama & Clinton because all the media wants is the ratings and they would love to see a Clinton vs Palin duo.

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We seriously need to let go of this Palin crap. When I say "we" I mean the blogs like TPM and Huffington and Kos. C'mon folks. The more the focus is on Palin, the less it's on the issues. And McCain loses when the focus is on issues.

We're behaving like a bunch of crack addicts and Palin is the crack. Hell, we know she's unprepared and unqualified. We know she's a liar. We know her family is Springer-ready. So what?? That's not the issue. We've got to get to the issues and show folks how McCain means four more years like the last 8. That's how we'll win, not by acting like a bunch of ninnies who are jealous over her popularity. Hell, we're making her popular!

I agree:

"Forget Palin, McCain has the football!"
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/forget-palin-go-after-mccain.php

And frankly, I'm already tired of Palin. One trick pony, religious wackjob who can't say anything that isn't a lie.

From:

Head of State

http://tinyurl.com/6lbfdv

Wednesday, September 10, 2008

Palinism: Politics as The Content-Free Violation of Expectation

What is Palinism?

What is it about?

What policies?

What ideas?

What positions?

Even in the Lincoln-Douglas debates, while no doubt many were motivated by regional partisanship, local prejudices, and "the measure" of the candidate, one suspects that at least a rough rendering of the issues--secession vs. Union, free vs. enslaved--was carried in and animated the crowds.

Now, it is pure reaction to pattern. To one impulse expectation violated by the provocation of another impulse, that feels--good.

We have reached the content-free phase of American politics.

A form, an image--glasses, hair, a voice, what it suggests--is enough. She could be speaking the words to the airport timetable, the swearing-in speech of Ferdinand Marcos, the ingredients of a box of Sizzlean-- the image, the sound, and the gathering impulse, the bare stirring from dull lack of novelty--is sufficient to awaken the crowds to angry perturbence at...the stimulus to be perturbed, and the bare sense of actual directed action and purpose that comes with doing so.

Palin herself wears a glazed, slightly confused look in her eyes--what is it that has unleashed this roar, this approbation. Being used to herself, and having been among those who are well used to her, she is unaware of the novelty that her mere form releases in the dazed electorate, yearning for a pretext for expression. Soon, she'll believe it herself.

And, after all, isn't that what democracy is all about? The ability to choose to decide without knowledge? Better yet, to choose your knowledge, irrespective of fact, in correspondence with the liberating, confirmation-free impulse?

This is what today's moment stands for.

These are our satisfactions and securities in this golden age.

Cite:

Head of State

http://tinyurl.com/6lbfdv

Playin’ P-I-G

Livin’ out here in the Red State hinterlands we know a bit about critters. Heck, I’ve shot plenty of deer and pronghorns and cleaned them myself. It strikes me that IF Obama was comparing Palin to a pig he might have been doing her a favor compared to her comparison in her acceptance speech.

Barack likes to play hoops. How about a quick game of PIG!

P— PIGS are considered to be among the most intelligent of domestic animals.

I— Palin compares herself to a Pit Bull, a dog. And not an INTELLIGENT one at that.

G—GEE WHIZ, what’s worse a pig with lipstick or a hockey mom/pit bull?

From Wikipedia:

"She is a pig who is convinced she is destined for stardom, and nothing is going to stand in her way. She presents a public face of the soul of feminine charm, but can instantly fly into a violent rage whenever she thinks she's insulted or thwarted." -- Who is Miss Piggy

Boss Hogg/Miss Piggy 08

From Wikipedia:

"She is a pig who is convinced she is destined for stardom, and nothing is going to stand in her way. She presents a public face of the soul of feminine charm, but can instantly fly into a violent rage whenever she thinks she's insulted or thwarted." -- Who is Miss Piggy

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I agree with your post. This has been a well run campaign and my guess is they are planning who says what and when pretty carefully.


However, I think you could have said just that. The anonymous sources within the campaigns giving you the special inside scoop seems awfully like the mainstream media approach that has gotten many in trouble, and is generally poor journalism.


Granted this is only a blogpost and not portrayed as deep investigative journalism, but therefore it probably could have been presented simply as opinion, without the anonymous sources, and had much the same impact.


The fact that I agree with the leakers and the message they are portraying, doesn't excuse the practice.


Just sayin.

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Yeah, gee, journalists aren't supposed to have sources or anything.


Cause, you know, we really hate hearing any kind of inside information someone dug up.


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CNN is going to show Palin's live arrival in Alaska where she'll address the crowd.

A correspondent there said "oddly they are setting up teleprompters which is rather unusual for this type of event..."

Can this woman do ANYTHING without being scripted????

CNN is going to show Palin's live arrival in Alaska where she'll address the crowd.

A correspondent there said "oddly they are setting up teleprompters which is rather unusual for this type of event..."

Can this woman do ANYTHING without being scripted????

CNN is going to show Palin's live arrival in Alaska where she'll address the crowd.

A correspondent there said "oddly they are setting up teleprompters which is rather unusual for this type of event..."

Can this woman do ANYTHING without being scripted????

Grrrr servers

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Palin is not going to energize anyone except the true wingers. To the rest of the nation she'll look smaller and smaller as weeks go by. A real liability unless the Palin thing gets the Obama campaign off message.

The solution for us, don't take the bait.

McCain would have been dead meat without those super conservative voters, and he knew it. Now he must face the critical problem of luring the middle of the road voter, whom he also needs. As the weeks go by go by, Gov. Palin will prove a liability (and a poor VP choice) as he tries to win the more moderate voter.

Be cool.

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Thank you - I keep saying that and no one pays any attention to me.

She scares way more people than she excites.

Do you have data supporting that?

I'm reminded of Lee Atwater on the subject of Dan Quayle - "I looked into his eyes and saw the wall behind him." This will sink in about her. Fear not.

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I think it's good that Hillary doesn't go after Palin directly. For one thing, it would just feed the stupid, sexist "catfight" narrative that the media is salivating over.

For another thing, Hillary's too good for that. To put her in the position of being the alternate pitbull would be a gross underuse of her talents. It implies there's some kind of equivalence between Clinton and Palin, but they're not in the same league, and we shouldn't give Palin that stamp of legitimacy.

No, use less significant surrogates to push back on Palin, and use Hillary to solidify support in the key swing states. Keep her speaking to her key consitutencies.

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Palin is not going to energize anyone except the true wingers. To the rest of the nation she'll look smaller and smaller as weeks go by. A real liability unless the Palin thing gets the Obama campaign off message.

The solution for us, don't take the bait.

McCain would have been dead meat without those super conservative voters, and he knew it. Now he must face the critical problem of luring the middle of the road voter, whom he also needs. As the weeks go by go by, Gov. Palin will prove a liability (and a poor VP choice) as he tries to win the more moderate voter.

Be cool.

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Palin is not going to energize anyone except the true wingers. To the rest of the nation she'll look smaller and smaller as weeks go by. A real liability unless the Palin thing gets the Obama campaign off message.

The solution for us, don't take the bait.

McCain would have been dead meat without those super conservative voters, and he knew it. Now he must face the critical problem of luring the middle of the road voter, whom he also needs. As the weeks go by go by, Gov. Palin will prove a liability (and a poor VP choice) as he tries to win the more moderate voter.

Be cool.

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Hillary shouldn't go after Palin personally, but she should be on the stump and every major talk show explaining to American voters, particularly women, that Sarah Palin and John McCain could set women back 40 years.

CNN has a story up about McCain having dissed Palin's earmark requests from Wasilla. Timely.

http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/

What is it? Is Bill Clinton the only one who knows how to fight? He tried it in the primaries, and got taken to the wood shed for his efforts. Trying to remain just on message with issues won't do it. McCain has to be knocked off his game. Have you forgotten that Bill Clinton is the one who won his two elections for president without questions? Enough of turning the other cheek.

I don't think Obama needs help with the lipstick comment anymore unless its directly tied to the reason why he used the phrase.

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You need to see this.

And the whiners really need to see this.

Pass it on - I got is from parisblues upthread.

http://punditkitchen.com/2008/09/05/political-pictures-barack-obama-chill-out-got-this/

It is not about personal attacks or even going after Palin (although the Republicans would need a new cry besides "sexist"). What Hillary needs to do is mobilize women.

She needs to get her following in the news to create a buzz. Start a women who support women's rights group. Start making headlines so women don't forget that they have a leader on the other side. Women have come too far to let another woman take away their own right to choose.

We don't need to attack Palin right now. We just need Hillary, the true leader of women's rights, to get her face out there. Make the headlines, get her face on the news. Give them something to talk about. Show them their true leader.

Let the Republicans try to go after her, and then all those crocodile tears will disappear like Kim Jong Il (where is that guy btw?).

Those "McCain Palin in 2008" signs should read "McSame Phalin Policies as 2004"

Anyway let's place bets as to when Palin will finally stop making that McSame speech she's been making since the convention.

Let's go Hillary. This is finally your time to shine. Don't sit back and say I told you so. Get up and show the world what you can do. Do it for your loyal supporters who don't want to lose their right to decide what to do with their own bodies.

It is not about personal attacks or even going after Palin (although the Republicans would need a new cry besides "sexist"). What Hillary needs to do is mobilize women.

She needs to get her following in the news to create a buzz. Start a women who support women's rights group. Start making headlines so women don't forget that they have a leader on the other side. Women have come too far to let another woman take away their own right to choose.

We don't need to attack Palin right now. We just need Hillary, the true leader of women's rights, to get her face out there. Make the headlines, get her face on the news. Give them something to talk about. Show them their true leader.

Let the Republicans try to go after her, and then all those crocodile tears will disappear like Kim Jong Il (where is that guy btw?).

Those "McCain Palin in 2008" signs should read "McSame Phalin Policies as 2004"

Anyway let's place bets as to when Palin will finally stop making that McSame speech she's been making since the convention.

Let's go Hillary. This is finally your time to shine. Don't sit back and say I told you so. Get up and show the world what you can do. Do it for your loyal supporters who don't want to lose their right to decide what to do with their own bodies.

It is not about personal attacks or even going after Palin (although the Republicans would need a new cry besides "sexist"). What Hillary needs to do is mobilize women.

She needs to get her following in the news to create a buzz. Start a women who support women's rights group. Start making headlines so women don't forget that they have a leader on the other side. Women have come too far to let another woman take away their own right to choose.

We don't need to attack Palin right now. We just need Hillary, the true leader of women's rights, to get her face out there. Make the headlines, get her face on the news. Give them something to talk about. Show them their true leader.

Let the Republicans try to go after her, and then all those crocodile tears will disappear like Kim Jong Il (where is that guy btw?).

Those "McCain Palin in 2008" signs should read "McSame Phalin Policies as 2004"

Anyway let's place bets as to when Palin will finally stop making that McSame speech she's been making since the convention.

Let's go Hillary. This is finally your time to shine. Don't sit back and say I told you so. Get up and show the world what you can do. Do it for your loyal supporters who don't want to lose their right to decide what to do with their own bodies.

It is not about personal attacks or even going after Palin (although the Republicans would need a new cry besides "sexist"). What Hillary needs to do is mobilize women.

She needs to get her following in the news to create a buzz. Start a women who support women's rights group. Start making headlines so women don't forget that they have a leader on the other side. Women have come too far to let another woman take away their own right to choose.

We don't need to attack Palin right now. We just need Hillary, the true leader of women's rights, to get her face out there. Make the headlines, get her face on the news. Give them something to talk about. Show them their true leader.

Let the Republicans try to go after her, and then all those crocodile tears will disappear like Kim Jong Il (where is that guy btw?).

Those "McCain Palin in 2008" signs should read "McSame Phalin Policies as 2004"

Anyway let's place bets as to when Palin will finally stop making that McSame speech she's been making since the convention.

Let's go Hillary. This is finally your time to shine. Don't sit back and say I told you so. Get up and show the world what you can do. Do it for your loyal supporters who don't want to lose their right to decide what to do with their own bodies.

sorry it kept saying error lol

Even if Hillary was asked, how would she attack Palin on the lipstick on the pig brouhaha. Palin herself has not weighed in on this.

She could only defend Obama on what he meant and stick to the issues in attacking McCain.

I also remember reading somewhere that Hillary's aides said Hillary would be campaigning for Obama but she won't be an attack dog on Palin. And that's good. She should stick to the issues. She's already been falsely branded by both the GOP and the Obama campaign as a polarizing figure.

Old Joe Biden, today in Nashua, NH, in response to an inaudible question from an audience member:

“Make no mistake about it Hillary Clinton is as qualified as or more qualified than I am” to be vice president, Biden said. “And quite frankly, she may have been a better pick than me.” Really? You think?

What a stunning admission. It’s not a surprise, though. How could a guy who could barely get 2,000 votes in the presidential primaries have anything to offer the Democratic ticket that would translate into getting voters excited enough to vote for the ticket?
It’s pathetic. It’s the Democratic party once again seizing defeat from the jaws of victory.
Blame should go Oilbama himself. He was to much of a Sexist Pig to offer Hillary the VP even after she trounced him in all the Blue states needed to win the election.

*troll jizz*

You're right, as usual. Biden was obliged to pick her because she is a woman, otherwise he is that filthy thing that you said though I won't lower myself to your level by repeating it. More good analysis from Mr. Dumbass.

This is so unimportant. Phony outrage, lipstick, pigs and political spin What has happened to America

The only reason everyone is still talking about Palin is that the media keeps making her the topic of discussion. I blame the media for not looking beyond crocodile tears and the horse race and not forcing the public to be informed about the issues. It is shameful.

Also, it is really hard to debate an entire campaign of people who look into the camera and lie straight to your face over and over and over again.

obama made a pretty good point on letterman last night: granting the absurd conclusion for a moment that he WAS referring to palin, she would have been the lipstick, not the pig (same old policies and campaign = pig; palin = lipstick).

From The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Palin — with the full backing and support of the McCain campaign — is doing herself longterm political damage with this ploy. The American people are watching her repeatedly lie to them, day after day, and watching her do so with no apparent compunction. This is her introduction to the national scene; this is when her image is being cemented into the public mind.

And her image is increasingly that of a guiltless liar.

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/bookman/entries/2008/09/09/palin_lies_could_lead_to_bridg.html

Qunnipiac polls

Florida: McCain 50%, Obama 43%

Ohio: Obama 49%, McCain 44%

Pennsylvania: Obama 48%, McCain 45%


If that Ohio poll is true Mccain is in serious trouble...Obama has work to do in PA and Florida it seems..especially Fla....but good overall that Ohio poll should ease some of the ledge jumpers...

Obama's lipstick whine is ridiculous - after his campaign, bots, surrogates, and media excoriated the Clintons over innocent remarks deemed "racist."
The big difference was the Clintons didn't have the media and Dem leaders stepping up to challenge the faux outrage.
And today - Obama is having lunch with a racist! -while Obama is perfectly content to allow the "Clintons are racists" FALSE narrative to continue.

Obama's lipstick whine is ridiculous - after his campaign, bots, surrogates, and media excoriated the Clintons over innocent remarks deemed "racist."
The big difference was the Clintons didn't have the media and Dem leaders stepping up to challenge the faux outrage.
And today - Obama is having lunch with a racist! -while Obama is perfectly content to allow the "Clintons are racists" FALSE narrative to continue.

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