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GOP Plays Gender Card Against Palin Foes

It turns out the gender card isn't just for liberal feminists -- Republicans can play it, too.

McCain surrogates and other prominent Republican commentators are now expressly selling Palin's candidacy on the basis of her gender, and going so far as to rebut critics by accusing them of sexism.

Some of these are fairly mundane, like Laura Bush saying she's always wanted to vote for a Republican woman. And some of them are just bizarre, like Congresswoman Michele Bachmann accusing James Carville -- a prominent former Hillary Clinton supporter -- of insulting women when he says that Palin isn't qualified.

Check out our roundup, after the jump.

From Nancy Pfotenhauer's column in today's Wall St. Journal, entitled "Ignore the Chauvinists. Palin Has Real Experience.":

All women should be proud of Mr. McCain's selection of Ms. Palin as his running mate, an historic moment that came the week of the 88th anniversary of women's earning the right to vote. Sarah Palin will break through the glass ceiling that, as she noted on her first day as the vice presidential nominee, has 18 million new cracks thanks to Hillary Clinton.

Here's Laura Bush yesterday on Fox News, via Nexis:

She's terrific. I'm thrilled that John McCain picked her. I'm going to get what I wanted, which is to be able to vote for a Republican woman. (Laughter.) And so I'm really, really excited about it. I think people, as they get to know her, are going to be so impressed with her grit and her sensible judgment. She's just a person who really, really has shown how terrific women can be, and how strong women can be in political office.

Here's part of a new column from Bill Kristol in the Weekly Standard

Millions of Americans--mostly but not only women, mostly but not only Republicans and conservatives--seemed to get a sense of energy and enjoyment and pride, not just from her nomination, but especially from her smashing opening performance. Palin will be a compelling and mold-breaking example for lots of Americans who are told every day that to be even a bit conservative or Christian or old-fashioned is bad form. In this respect, Palin can become an inspirational figure and powerful symbol. The left senses this, which is why they want to discredit her quickly.

And finally here's a hilarious exchange on CNN last night between James Carville and one of our favorite Republican House members, Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, after Carville went after Palin's inexperience. Via Nexis:

BACHMANN: You know, Larry, I find those comments from James Carville actually offensive -- and especially offensive to American women. There are a lot of very competent American women. Sarah Palin easily is a competent woman. She's proved herself in business. She's proved herself in politics. She has come up from nowhere to be somebody. And she's someone we can all be very proud of. She is one competent tough cookie and I think the American people are going to love her.

KING: Are you saying, though...

CARVILLE: Congresswoman, I don't know how to tell you this, but I supported a woman for president of the United States and spent many hours on this very set supporting a woman of the United States.


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This was the plan from the start.

Could have set my watch by it. Oh wait, I did. It is 12:39 ET/11:39 CT, if you were wondering.

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How dare you attack Sarah Palin's experience, don't you know that she was a P.O.W. for 5 and a 1/2...wait, oh, sorry...um...you're sexist!!!

http://strategy08.wordpress.com

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"She has more experience than Obama..."...and it's killing you guys.

It's true she has more experience than Obama, in some regards. For instance, Obama never told librarians to ban books. Also, Obama was never part of a fringe secessionist party.

I just. Words. Wow, what an epic fail.

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Don't forget that Obama never made anyone take a "loyalty" test by making them resign. Experience like that must be priceless.

Obama did not endager his daugher's life by flying back to Alaska in a leaky jumpsuit.

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Obama has never given birth.

Obama has never run a city of less than 8,000 into $20 million of debt.

Obama has never faced a recall from public office.

Obama has never used his office to inflict punish upon people for petty and personal reasons.

Who knew it . . . You are CORRECT . . . Palin has a crap-load of experience(s) that Obama does not have.

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Oh great, she's another borrow-and-spend Republican.

Oh, snap! That's quite a laundry list of bad news.

Now I'll be attacked for being sexist for using the phrase 'laundry list'... duh.

http://thepajamapundit.com/

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Bullshit. Obama represented the state of Illinois; she represented that town in Northern Exposure.

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Cicely, AK.  Wonderful town, though it looks a lot like Roslyn, WA.

Now I see where the foreign-relations experience comes in.  She must've been there when Vladimir Lenin came to town.

I wonder if she asked him for help from Russia for her Alaskan Independence plans?  A Communist alliance?  Hmmm!

I don't think being a political prostitute counts, Sarge!

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You guys are actually making me reconsider...no, not my choice for Pres...your sanity and grasp on reality. Obama was in the Senate for 143 days when he determined he had enough experience to be President. Palin has been the Governor of Alaska for 2 years. Obama has 7 years as a State Senator, Palin was on the city counil and Mayor longer. It's true that his 3 years as a community organizer trumps her 2 1/2 on the PTA, but she's our choice for VP. Your choice for President has less time in elective office than her. Now bring up her husband's DUI when he was 22 so we can compare that to Obama's dope smoking and cocaine "experimentation."

Can you please direct me to Palin's foreign policy position papers?

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They're over in the stack labled "P"...if you get to "Plagarism" or "Present" you're in the Obama/Biden section and need to back up a little.

You didn't answer my question. Try again.

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I noticed that too. In fact, I still have yet to an itemized list of McCain's "vast" foreign policy or executive experience.

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She's issued as many as Obama...when did experience star mattering to you guys.

Where?

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Our rational has always been judgement and knowledge for Obama's qualifications. McCain is the one who's entire platform has been experience.

BTW, you still didn't answer the question.

Yours is a noble effort for a lost cause. You are standing on a leaking levee and this is Hurricane Sarah. Time to evacuate.

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What y'all fail to realize is that Governor Palin's demise is like Obama's infalibility...it only exists here (well at the Daily Kos and Democratic Underground, but you know what I'm saying) the comments here have no basis in reality, they are just a reflection of the leftest of the left...

Whatever helps you through this.

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Seriously, for the past 6 months you guys have been hailing the second coming...it's gonna be a landslide of Reaganian proportions...VA, MO, FL, OH...even NC, GA and Texas were gfonna turn Blue...it was inevitable...guess what? Back on earth y'all are hoping to flip CO and NM and not lose NH...that's what it's down to. Come up for air some time and see what's really happening out there.

Stop trying to change the subject. We were discussing Governor Palin's foreign policy views.

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Funny, I don't seem to recall this dark night of the soul among the GOP in 2000 when it came to reports of Bush inhaling (er, snorting) ... Situational ethics, moral relativism -- I thought the GOP felt this was a liberal disease?

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Any moral relativism pales in comparisson to the "Expeientia-relativism" splattered all over this site since the selection. You're even hypocits about hypocracy.

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So you agree you are showing moral relativism. Good. That's the first step, admitting you have a problem.

Wow, SFCWallace, I think your Repub uniform is beginning to show through your PUMA costume... I know a good tailor, if you are in the market...

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Never even tried to fake I was a PUMA...it says "Conservative Republican" on my profile and has since I started posting here...back in...Holy Shit! I just realized I've been posting here longer than Obama's been in the Senate!...and you guys are trying to bust on Palin....this is crazy!

This one's gotta hurt:

"The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration
weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed
money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it
with indebtedness of over $22 million."

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/an-wasillan-on.html

Your math is piss-poor.

Obama was inaugurated into the Senate in January 2005.

Obama launched his Presidential campaign in January 2007.

143 days? Put down the bong and get back to Earth ASAP.

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SFC is doing some very careful math and only counting, no doubt, the days that the Senate was in session, because, you know, Senators don't do anything on the days that it isn't in session.

Which doesn't even sound right...because that says the Senate was only in session 70 days a year between 2005 and 2007.

I just think he's a flailing bloviator. :-)

Which doesn't even sound right...because that says the Senate was only in session 70 days a year between 2005 and 2007.

I just think he's a flailing bloviator. :-)

Which doesn't even sound right...because that says the Senate was only in session 70 days a year between 2005 and 2007.

I just think he's a flailing bloviator. :-)

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SFC is doing some very careful math

I believe it's spelled meth

Obama was in the Senate for 143 days when he determined he had enough experience to be President. Palin has been the Governor of Alaska for 2 years.

You're embarrassing yourself. In trying to score a really weak point, you subtract the days that the Senate wasn't in session to make his time served there seem small, but conveniently add weekends and holidays AND and extra 5 months for good measure to Palin's time served as governor.

I know, I can understand why you're desperate to change the subject, but just don't pretend that such petty and stupid tactics will go unnoticed.

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And he was a state senator for years. The experience issue is a straw-man. Having shit happen to you for breathing does not mean that an individual has intelligence or wisdom or sanity.

Three qualities that McInsane and the gal with Wilma Flintstone's haircut are in dramatically short supply of . . .

BTW: As an 'Executive", Obama ran the single largest Presidential campaign in American history AND had a boat-load o' cash leftover. Obama did so without mass lay-offs or firings or ever having to lone hisself monies or take a loan.

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"As an 'Executive", Obama ran the single largest Presidential campaign in American history AND had a boat-load o' cash leftover. Obama did so without mass lay-offs or firings or ever having to lone hisself monies or take a loan."
Nothing personal...but that is the weakest "reach" for executive experience I've ever seen, stick with the "Experience doesn't matter, it's jugement that counts..." line.

Fair enough. Let's talk about McCain ran his campaign into the ground last summer.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0707/4755.html

If he does this as president, does he get a mulligan, too?

Fair enough. Let's compare apples to apples and compare how Obama's managed his campaign vs. McCain.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0707/4755.html

If he does this as president, does he get a mulligan, too?

Fair enough.

I'll agree with you and say it's a breeze running a campaign - so much so, even someone with NO executive skills or talents should be able to do it effectively. Whoops:


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0707/4755.html

If he does this as president, does he get a mulligan, too?

Ouch:

"During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had
given rise to a recall campaign."

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/an-wasillan-on.html

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Which is generally the way municipal politics works. Most mayors have very little power, contrary to people's perceptions. Same thing with governors by the way. But, she has "executive experience," my a**.

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ENough Experience My Ass!

Betcha ol' McLecher would love to get some help from her in that area.

Arguing about experience is a TRAP!
Palin is a distraction. The focus is McCain. Not Palin.

Every single female Democrat better get out their and commence to supporting women.

If this is a gender war...call out the WOMEN politicians and let them have AT IT!!

So wait, she actually wasn't running the show? She had to hire a manager? LOL. This shit just keeps getting better and better.

Don't forget that Obama does not have any experience using his office to pursue personal vendettas. Definitely not as experienced as Gov. Palin.

Only with laughter Wallace! Palin is an embarassment selection without any doubt what so ever. The first presidential action of any party's candidate is to choose their VP running mate. McCain just failed yet another leadership test...miserably! LOL! Obama has far better experience and judgement than McCain and Palin...combined! Seriously.

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The fact that the left has gone bananas making up crazy shit about her shows that it was a pretty good choice I think.

That's just sad.

Yep, you just keep right on believing that. She's just what the GOP needs right now, really, she is.

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Ok, I know this was posted before, but you have gotta watch this. This is hilarious. You are a smart guy. It really is embarassing for your team. Keep trying though.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/mccain-pr-chief-struggles_n_123082.html

It's killing us guys? If this is killing us, I can't wait to be dead. After this broke onto the mainstream Obama jumped 3 points in a single day on the Rasmussen tracker to a 6 point lead.

Yeah, I fear the mighty Wasilla Warrior. *snicker*

You need to get your GOoPer talking points. Give Steve Schmidt a call.

...and she has experienced the unique insights that can only accrue to a creationist/global warming-denying mentality. Now that's experience.

Bwahahahah!!!!

Yeah, it's just killing us watching undecideds flock to our side following a brilliant convention by the Dems and closing speech by Barack. McMaverick's fumbling of the most important decision he has made as a candidate to date has pretty much sealed the deal.

Won't work. This is the one time in my life where I'm certain that the spin won't stick. Nobody is taking any of this seriously. The harder the GOPers spin, the more ridiculous they look. One only has to go so far as the polls to see that average Americans are appalled by the Palin pick.

At some point, the Republicans will turn on themselves - I just hope they keep her around long enough. If they time it right, they could make it look like the media bullied her out - but if they wait too long, there will be too many conservative critics to persuasively argue that the Dems and the media were the bad "guys" in forcing Palin out.

Thing is, I think McCain is really trapped here. Dropping her might be worse than keeping her under most circumstances.

1. I don't think a lot of other people on the short list, other than maybe Lieberman, are going to be too interested on hopping aboard this sinking ship.

2. Dropping her would seriously piss off his most rightward base. he simply cannot win without them.

3. He would be conceding, in the most dramatic possible manner, that his judgment, his only strong suit in terms of public perception, is very, very weak.

Unless something very seriously damaging comes out, I think he is stuck with her. He will merely have to downplay her role and try to make the best of it by trying to turn negative attention back unto Obama somehow. It would require some desperate moves but what real choice will he have.

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You're right on the money, allastair.
Isn't karma grand when we get to watch a bit of it play out?

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I read at Huffpost one of the regulars saying that Palin will have to drop out before too long, because the media pressure and the negative spotlight will overwhelm the whole campaign, and they will force her to abdicate.

She no doubt considers this another leap to the highest rung, so she probably will not go willingly, but the Rove wing of the McCain campaign will realize quite soon (probably already have) that she's become terminally toxic, and their only chance to salvage their campaign from Rush's realistic landslide scenario will be to dump her.

They were so desperate just to keep Bush's numbed-out base, that they lost the moderates and independents in the process. It seems obvious that they are much more worried now about the landslide than the victory, because a landslide loss could doom the whole party.

So much for Rove's vaunted "1000 years" of Republican rule!

A 10 to 15% loss would give them some sort of future to cling to, but a landslide would be devastating. It would result in people saying ten years from now "Remember the GOP?"

Unfortunately, they went way too far right to get Palin for their wingnut base to froth over. Talk about idol worship, these Republicans are putting her up on a pedastal of delusion and justification that the history teachers of the future will refer to for an example of political extremism.

In short, McCain is a surrender monkey for the hard right wing of the repug party

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Good synopsis, and sorry for the verbosity, I am not good at "in short..."

Well allastair

Sounds to me that the GOP is split like the Dems were during the primaries...where it was an male who happened to be black pitted against a female who happened to be white.

Now the GOP is pitting their conservative base against the older political 'good ol boy' base.

What this means is that which ever way they go they are going to piss off part of their traditional base.

If the Dems were so badly split up to the DNC..the GOP has just begun their split.

By having Palin on the ticket, no reputable GOP with a record of accomplishment can actually support her without tarnishing his own credentials and judgment and the men well know that and consider her a *unt, in private.

if they dump her they piss off the social conservative evangelical base!!

Soooo, this is a real power struggle in the party. Just the sort of work Palin likes. Pageants are exceptional prepartion for what Palin is fighting from within the GOP. Further, the party stalwarts have learned that Palin will slit their throats just like she does Alaskan bears without a blink of the eye. She did it to Murkowski the Governor who gave her the plum appointment she not only ran against him and won, she was a whistle blower on another party stalwart that Murkowski appointed who just happened to be the RNC chair and Palin's boss when she received that plum political appointment.

The GOP has a real BARACUDA in a dress in the midst of their vipers nest...and if her track record is anything to go on...we may just see her morph into a MONGOOSE and usurp all their power.

What a delicious fight.

Now if only the media would report on it with the same intensity they pushed the Hill vs. Obama line. The same veracity that Limbaugh had to keep the fight going in the primaries ..we should encourage Schultz to do.

It is time for the GOP to cannabalize themselves.

What Democats have to remember to do is to never ever compare Palin to Obama...that is a trap!!

Obama should be compared to McCain ONLY!

His pragmatic and well reasoned judgement against McCain's reckless and capricious judgment.

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Once again, Michelle Bachmann lives up to her rep as one of the dumbest members of Congress.

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Always expect the word "bizzare" to appear in any sentence that includes the name "Michelle Bachmann". It's just a given here in MN.

ENOUGH!

Carville can be a real ass. But, especially when he is on your side, you really have to appreciate his ability to cut through all the lame bs rhetoric and focus the debate. It doesn't seem like it ought to be so unusual, but it really is a rare ability.

On my local NPR station, they had someone from the local GOP organization talking about the convention. When the host asked if she was experienced enough, the GOP guy said "You wouldn't even be asking this question if she was a male".

Perhaps true, because she would not have been named VP if she were a male, hence the question would not be asked.

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You wouldn't even be asking this question if she was a male".

Fine by me. Let's stop asking whether Obama is experienced enough, then.

If the Republicans really want to go down this road, they're going to make a parody of real gender inequality issues.

Odd how everyone on the repug side is avoiding answering direct questions when asked? If they can't give a straight answer to a straight question now, what can one expect if they do win the election?

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"If they can't give a straight answer to a straight question now, what can one expect if they do win the election?"
Did you not watch your guy at Saddleback? He hasn't given a straight answer since he was asked if he planned to run for President back in 2004.(of course he lied about that, but at least he answered it)

Awww....starting to realize just how bad Palin sucks as a Veep candidate, huh? Here's a quarter. Call someone who gives a damn.

As for "straight talk", let's rap about that bridge to nowhere and how Palin was for it before she was against it.

Awww....starting to realize just how bad Palin sucks as a Veep candidate, huh? Here's a quarter. Call someone who gives a damn.

As for "straight talk", let's rap about that bridge to nowhere and how Palin was for it before she was against it.

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Every single one of the Republican guests on Larry King last night were asked if Palin was the best pick out of all the republicans, and not a single one said yes.

They said, in so many words, this is the pick that John McCain made, and she's very qualified.

It was telling.

This will not fly too well, the shelf life for Palin has expired on this one. Is moose burger next?

It has nothing to do with her gender. She's just not qualified for the position.

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"She has more experience than Obama..."...

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From below:

She does? Let's check the record, shall we?

1980-1984
Obama gets his BA in Political Science from Columbia.
Palin graduates high school.

1985-1990
Obama serves as director of the Developing Communities Project and gets his law degree from Harvard, serving as president of the law review.
Palin gets her BA in commercial journalism, works as a sportscaster, and then goes into fishing.

1991-1995
Obama writes his first best-selling book, works as a civil rights attorney, signs on as a lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago, and directs Illinois Project Vote.
Palin leaves the Alaskan Independence Party and is elected to a part-time position on the Wasilla (est. pop 5000) City Council.

1996-2000
Obama represents approximately 200,000 residents as an Illinois State Senator.
Palin elected part-time mayor of Wasilla (now pop. 5470)

2001-2004
Obama continues to serve as Illinois State Senator.
Palin mayor of Wailla for two more years, then appointed member of the state Gas Committee for two years.
2005-2006
Obama serves as U.S. Senator.
Palin on the board of the Valley Hospital Association.

2007-2008
Obama continues to serve as U.S. Senator
Palin serves as governor of Alaska

Now, quit embarassing yourself.

rorgg.

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You forgot to insert "part-time" into his Illinois Senate gig...I'm sure it was an unintentional oversite...

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So, I guess you would be comfortable with a 1 1/2 year first term mayor of memphis tennessee being president. You are ok with that?

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...is he a Republican?

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Well, that says alot. You guys have to start getting pc by the way. It should read "is he or she a republican." There's a new sheriff in town and she is packing some serious heat. Rambo of the great north-west. What happened to the staring down the red menace across the bering strait talking point? I haven't seen you use it yet.

I think you should compare apples to apples in your argument.

Obama is to McCain as Biden is to Palin.

Now lets start discussing experience since the former has been beaten into a topic of judgment than experience.

I like your twists and turns though. And, I think I said a while back, McCain is substituting his military experience as executive experience because neither has executive experience.

All in All, no one has experience as POTUS and the argument should be Judgment and Character.

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The logic of the left is completely whacked...Palin's too inexperienced to be VP even though she has as much if not more experience than Obam, who is your nominee for President. You guys are completely insane.

Just wondering - are you going to earn enough points here posting to Qualify for that special McCain & Palin Golf Umbrella??

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The logic of the left is completely whacked...Palin's too inexperienced to be VP even though she has as much if not more experience than Obam, who is your nominee for President. You guys are completely insane.

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The logic of the left is completely whacked...Palin's too inexperienced to be VP even though she has as much if not more experience than Obama, who is your nominee for President. Experience only counts for VP, it's jugement for President. You guys are completely insane.

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The logic of the left is completely whacked...Palin's too inexperienced to be VP even though she has as much if not more experience than Obama, who is your nominee for President. Experience only counts for VP, it's jugement for President. You guys are completely insane.

Your point depends solely on the assumption that Palin has more "experience" than Obama. I refuse to concede that point.

I feel for Wallace. He(?) is in denial about the trainwreck.

To his point, though: the difference in experience is not how much they have, but what it is. Sitting on the Senate Foreign Relations Comittee for three years is different than being Governor of Alaska for less than two. And I don't want to hear about her 'executive experience' being greater than Obama's+Biden's, because you could add John McCain's too, and she'd still be ahead of all three. So why don't we just elect her president if that is the consideration?

The real concern here is that by her own public statement, she hadn't thought enough about the war in Iraq as recently as last year to have an opinion on it. One redeeming statement however, is that earlier this year, apparently having begun to think about it as her son was heading over there, she began to wonder whteher the real reason we've been there so long and John McCain wants to stay so much longer is that his party want to control the oil underneath war.

I actually think that Sarah Palin and Cindy Sheehan would get along famously.

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The question remains: Why can't you or the GOP compare apples to apples? You all are ignoring the elephant in the room, that Obama's Veep crushes McCain's Veep in terms of "ready on day one" experience.

That Youtube Josh posted of Campbell Brown eviscerating Tucker Bounds on the subject of experience says it all. He couldn't name a single decision Palin made as CinC of the Alaska National Guard, and I doubt you could either.

SFCWallace:

Please note that it is the GOP that is driving today’s talking points as the Dems are interpreting them on their own terms.

As for presidential judgment, neither candidate has executive experience so you are left with judgment. What else is there? You tell me and we will discuss.

Well I don't think the logic is completely whacked it’s the topics. Please refer to "note" above. My point is: President's are not born they are developed. Even a Governor has to "learn" to be a President. How is that for logic? I am more willing to allow Obama to learn rather than McCain.

For Palin as VP: same as for president. I would mind seeing her as VP, but the focus is President and that is what frightens me. Her partner disqualifies her not her lack of experience.

VPs have never really been a focus of mine and they may never will be. I can't give her a chance because of McCain. She is out by association. It's unfortunate but that's how the tough cookie crumbles.

So in this discussion of VP/President, we have no reference in the way of experience in the Presidential realm, so I am left with judgment.

How about you? What is your understanding of bi-partisan deliberation?

SFCWallace:

Please note that it is the GOP that is driving today’s talking points as the Dems are interpreting them on their own terms.

As for presidential judgment, neither candidate has executive experience so you are left with judgment. What else is there? You tell me and we will discuss.

Well I don't think the logic is completely whacked it’s the topics. Please refer to "note" above. My point is: President's are not born they are developed. Even a Governor has to "learn" to be a President. How is that for logic? I am more willing to allow Obama to learn rather than McCain.

For Palin as VP: same as for president. I would mind seeing her as VP, but the focus is President and that is what frightens me. Her partner disqualifies her not her lack of experience.

VPs have never really been a focus of mine and they may never will be. I can't give her a chance because of McCain. She is out by association. It's unfortunate but that's how the tough cookie crumbles.

So in this discussion of VP/President, we have no reference in the way of experience in the Presidential realm, so I am left with judgment.

How about you? What is your understanding of bi-partisan deliberation?

SFCWallace:

Please note that it is the GOP that is driving today’s talking points as the Dems are interpreting them on their own terms.

As for presidential judgment, neither candidate has executive experience so you are left with judgment. What else is there? You tell me and we will discuss.

Well I don't think the logic is completely whacked it’s the topics. Please refer to "note" above. My point is: President's are not born they are developed. Even a Governor has to "learn" to be a President. How is that for logic? I am more willing to allow Obama to learn rather than McCain.

For Palin as VP: same as for president. I would mind seeing her as VP, but the focus is President and that is what frightens me. Her partner disqualifies her not her lack of experience.

VPs have never really been a focus of mine and they may never will be. I can't give her a chance because of McCain. She is out by association. It's unfortunate but that's how the tough cookie crumbles.

So in this discussion of VP/President, we have no reference in the way of experience in the Presidential realm, so I am left with judgment.

How about you? What is your understanding of bi-partisan deliberation?

SFCWallace:

Please note that it is the GOP that is driving today’s talking points as the Dems are interpreting them on their own terms.

As for presidential judgment, neither candidate has executive experience so you are left with judgment. What else is there? You tell me and we will discuss.

Well I don't think the logic is completely whacked it’s the topics. Please refer to "note" above. My point is: President's are not born they are developed. Even a Governor has to "learn" to be a President. How is that for logic? I am more willing to allow Obama to learn rather than McCain.

For Palin as VP: same as for president. I would mind seeing her as VP, but the focus is President and that is what frightens me. Her partner disqualifies her not her lack of experience.

VPs have never really been a focus of mine and they may never will be. I can't give her a chance because of McCain. She is out by association. It's unfortunate but that's how the tough cookie crumbles.

So in this discussion of VP/President, we have no reference in the way of experience in the Presidential realm, so I am left with judgment.

How about you? What is your understanding of bi-partisan deliberation?

SFCWallace:

Please note that it is the GOP that is driving today’s talking points as the Dems are interpreting them on their own terms.

As for presidential judgment, neither candidate has executive experience so you are left with judgment. What else is there? You tell me and we will discuss.

Well I don't think the logic is completely whacked it’s the topics. Please refer to "note" above. My point is: President's are not born they are developed. Even a Governor has to "learn" to be a President. How is that for logic? I am more willing to allow Obama to learn rather than McCain.

For Palin as VP: same as for president. I would mind seeing her as VP, but the focus is President and that is what frightens me. Her partner disqualifies her not her lack of experience.

VPs have never really been a focus of mine and they may never will be. I can't give her a chance because of McCain. She is out by association. It's unfortunate but that's how the tough cookie crumbles.

So in this discussion of VP/President, we have no reference in the way of experience in the Presidential realm, so I am left with judgment.

How about you? What is your understanding of bi-partisan deliberation?

SFCWallace:

Please note that it is the GOP that is driving today’s talking points as the Dems are interpreting them on their own terms.

As for presidential judgment, neither candidate has executive experience so you are left with judgment. What else is there? You tell me and we will discuss.

Well I don't think the logic is completely whacked it’s the topics. Please refer to "note" above. My point is: President's are not born they are developed. Even a Governor has to "learn" to be a President. How is that for logic? I am more willing to allow Obama to learn rather than McCain.

For Palin as VP: same as for president. I would mind seeing her as VP, but the focus is President and that is what frightens me. Her partner disqualifies her not her lack of experience.

VPs have never really been a focus of mine and they may never will be. I can't give her a chance because of McCain. She is out by association. It's unfortunate but that's how the tough cookie crumbles.

So in this discussion of VP/President, we have no reference in the way of experience in the Presidential realm, so I am left with judgment.

How about you? What is your understanding of bi-partisan deliberation?

SFCWallace:

Please note that it is the GOP that is driving today’s talking points as the Dems are interpreting them on their own terms.

As for presidential judgment, neither candidate has executive experience so you are left with judgment. What else is there? You tell me and we will discuss.

Well I don't think the logic is completely whacked it’s the topics. Please refer to "note" above. My point is: President's are not born they are developed. Even a Governor has to "learn" to be a President. How is that for logic? I am more willing to allow Obama to learn rather than McCain.

For Palin as VP: same as for president. I would mind seeing her as VP, but the focus is President and that is what frightens me. Her partner disqualifies her not her lack of experience.

VPs have never really been a focus of mine and they may never will be. I can't give her a chance because of McCain. She is out by association. It's unfortunate but that's how the tough cookie crumbles.

So in this discussion of VP/President, we have no reference in the way of experience in the Presidential realm, so I am left with judgment.

How about you? What is your understanding of bi-partisan deliberation?

SFCWallace:

Please note that it is the GOP that is driving today’s talking points as the Dems are interpreting them on their own terms.

As for presidential judgment, neither candidate has executive experience so you are left with judgment. What else is there? You tell me and we will discuss.

Well I don't think the logic is completely whacked it’s the topics. Please refer to "note" above. My point is: President's are not born they are developed. Even a Governor has to "learn" to be a President. How is that for logic? I am more willing to allow Obama to learn rather than McCain.

For Palin as VP: same as for president. I would mind seeing her as VP, but the focus is President and that is what frightens me. Her partner disqualifies her not her lack of experience.

VPs have never really been a focus of mine and they may never will be. I can't give her a chance because of McCain. She is out by association. It's unfortunate but that's how the tough cookie crumbles.

So in this discussion of VP/President, we have no reference in the way of experience in the Presidential realm, so I am left with judgment.

How about you? What is your understanding of bi-partisan deliberation?

SFCWallace:

Please note that it is the GOP that is driving today’s talking points as the Dems are interpreting them on their own terms.

As for presidential judgment, neither candidate has executive experience so you are left with judgment. What else is there? You tell me and we will discuss.

Well I don't think the logic is completely whacked it’s the topics. Please refer to "note" above. My point is: President's are not born they are developed. Even a Governor has to "learn" to be a President. How is that for logic? I am more willing to allow Obama to learn rather than McCain.

For Palin as VP: same as for president. I would mind seeing her as VP, but the focus is President and that is what frightens me. Her partner disqualifies her not her lack of experience.

VPs have never really been a focus of mine and they may never will be. I can't give her a chance because of McCain. She is out by association. It's unfortunate but that's how the tough cookie crumbles.

So in this discussion of VP/President, we have no reference in the way of experience in the Presidential realm, so I am left with judgment.

How about you? What is your understanding of bi-partisan deliberation?

SFCWallace:

Please note that it is the GOP that is driving today’s talking points as the Dems are interpreting them on their own terms.

As for presidential judgment, neither candidate has executive experience so you are left with judgment. What else is there? You tell me and we will discuss.

Well I don't think the logic is completely whacked it’s the topics. Please refer to "note" above. My point is: President's are not born they are developed. Even a Governor has to "learn" to be a President. How is that for logic? I am more willing to allow Obama to learn rather than McCain.

For Palin as VP: same as for president. I would mind seeing her as VP, but the focus is President and that is what frightens me. Her partner disqualifies her not her lack of experience.

VPs have never really been a focus of mine and they may never will be. I can't give her a chance because of McCain. She is out by association. It's unfortunate but that's how the tough cookie crumbles.

So in this discussion of VP/President, we have no reference in the way of experience in the Presidential realm, so I am left with judgment.

How about you? What is your understanding of bi-partisan deliberation?

Hillaryous!

Ah, Republicans. Their skill isn't in saying something intelligent but in saying something stupid in unison.

And what blatant pandering to Hillary voters. Good God.

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Their skill is... in saying something stupid in unison.

Yes.  The Big Lie tactic.  It's worked pretty well for them.

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I watched the Bachmann-Carville interchange, and Bachmann never blinked. Literally. The effect was creepy and weird.

And later on, in the midnight hour of Larry King, Ed Schultz questioned the judgment of Sarah Palin in light of the news about her daughter's pregnancy, and the two Republicans (Susan MOlinar and Leslie Sanchez) went absolutely nuts.

I totally agree about Bachman. I don't think I'd ever seen her before. She just had this continuous, creepy smile on her face. She looked she belonged at an Amway convention.

Here's the sad thing...if her lack of experience weren't sooooo bad, that might work.

But the fact that her experience is wretched allows people to see through the blind "sexism" cries.

I agree. There has to be some plausibility to their argument that she's qualified if this is going to work. She's not and it won't.

Keep digging that hole deeper.

Shorter Republicans:

But up IS down, I tell you!

One can only view such backward thinkers as palindrones.

Oh.. that's good. On multiple levels. Touché!

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So Campbell Brown is a sexist! I knew it all along.
That accounts for her slap down of Bounds. She made it LOOK like she was questioning Palin's experience in foreign affairs.

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I was pleasantly surprised to see Brown go after Bounds so strongly.

And completely off-topic, but WTF with all the Republicans named Tucker? Tucker Carlson, Tucker Bounds, and Tucker Eskew.

Tucker Tucker Tucker. Rhymes with something, but I'm not sure just what.

hahahahahaah!! good one CT

Campbell Brown is a blatant sexist, she nearly ripped off Begala's head when he said that Palin had great beauty queen experience...Brown went after him, but Begala was so prepared..he said his wife was a beauty queen and he knew that pagents prepare them well for the spotlight.

Brown was pissed! He made her look stupid.
It is the only time I've ever been like..'go Begala'

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That was refreshing seeing Campbell not let Tucker off the hook with the "...but Obama" diversion. Can't count how many times I yell at the TV when McCain's pundits are allowed to totally duck the question by trying to redirect it back at Obama.

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Via Andrew Sullivan this post deserves a looky.

Dear friends,

So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the
last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . .

Basically, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in
common: their gender and their good looks. :)

You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts
with my name and email address attached, but please do not post it on
any websites, as there are too many kooks out there . . .

Thanks,
Anne


ABOUT SARAH PALIN

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992.
Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a
first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her
father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a
first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more
City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the
residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she’s like the most popular
girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and
won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because
she is a "babe".

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She
kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents
for seven months.

She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby.
There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out
there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a
champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin’s kind of job is highly
sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his
work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or
so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their
major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything
like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000
(at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about
670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running
this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been
pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had
gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had
given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a “fiscal conservative”. During her 6
years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over
33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the
City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation
(1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a
regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she
promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they
benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration
weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed
money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it
with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage
the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said
she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a
new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a
multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece
of property that the City didn’t even have clear title to, that was
still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers
involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the
community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it
would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that
could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office
redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus
in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will
make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she
proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she
recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while
she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's
surplus, borrow for needs.

She’s not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas
or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren’t generated by
her or her staff. Ideas weren’t evaluated on their merits, but on the
basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected
City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from
the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents
rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's
attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew
her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the
Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the “old boy’s club” when she first ran for
Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin
fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as
Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people,
creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally
grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power
to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the
case of pressuring the State’s top cop (see below).

As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla’s Police Chief because he “intimidated”
her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top
cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure
and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that
an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't
fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation
for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen
contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she
later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to
replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded
for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew
her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in
help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town
introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council
became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She
abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn’t
like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything
publicly about her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got
the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one
of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no
background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great
job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the
high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the
structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this
Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party)
engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some
undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all
her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and
garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a
gutsy fighter against the “old boys’ club” when she dramatically quit,
exposing this man’s ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from
Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel
politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the “bridge to
nowhere” after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget
guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing
projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative
action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply
because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant
she had gained a reputation as “anti-pork”.

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party
leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated
them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a
fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah.
They call her “Sarah Barracuda” because of her unbridled ambition and
predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly
stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made
point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's
mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and
experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package
of legislation known as “AGIA” that forced the oil companies to march
to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to
global warming. She campaigned “as a private citizen” against a state
initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from
pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the
state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State’s
lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior’s decision to list polar
bears as threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a
heartbeat away from being President.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more
knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there’s a lot of people who have underestimated her and are
regretting it.


CLAIM VS FACT
•“Hockey mom”: true for a few years
•“PTA mom”: true years ago when her first-born was in elementary
school, not since
•“NRA supporter”: absolutely true
•social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill
that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships
(said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
•pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to
promote it.
•“Pro-life”: mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby
BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life
legislation
•“Experienced”: Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has
residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska.
No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on
supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city
administrator to run town of about 5,000.
•political maverick: not at all
•gutsy: absolutely!
•open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at
explaining actions.
•has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
•”a Greenie”: no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores
and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
•fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
•pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city
without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built
streets to early 20th century standards.
•pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on
residents
•pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city
government in Wasilla’s history.
•pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union
doesn’t make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim
that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

WHY AM I WRITING THIS?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed
voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting
programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny +
Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local
government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen
when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because
few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out
of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no
fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will
cost me somehow in the future: that’s life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100
or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's
attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to
say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

CAVEATS
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in
spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor)
from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of
Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust
for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible
for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are
swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the
population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The
day Palin’s selection was announced a city official told me that the
current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was
5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to
2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90’s.

Anne Kilkenny
annekilkenny@hotmail.com
August 31, 2008

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/3671/the-reform-candidate

The part about her trying to fire the City Librarian because he wouldn't remove certain books is just creepy.

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There certainly is a lot to chew on. Like this:

needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.

or

Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents

or


Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla’s history

or

Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.


She sounds like a "Bush Republican."

. . . please do not post it on
any websites

So much for that . . .

Well, good for Anne Kilkenney. She does Alaskans proud.

I see that Andrew Sullivan excerpted her words. Hope her message makes the rounds. Thanks for posting it in full, Nisleib.

Well, good for Anne Kilkenney. She does Alaskans proud.

I see that Andrew Sullivan excerpted her words. Hope her message makes the rounds. Thanks for posting it in full, Nisleib.

I wish you had deleted her e-mail... Thanks for the post, though.

Good for the Republicans! Their views (and mine) are expressed perfectly in this YouTube clip* (2:16 length) featuring noted feminist commenter Samantha Bee. *[From a longer (4:42) clip available here.]

Go get 'em, old white patriarchal feminist dudes!

Oops, shoulda double-checked the YouTube link - that video has been yanked. But the longer (4:42) link is still good. Ms. Bee's fine treatise comes at the end.

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It is absurd and everyone knows it is absurd. And if they keep it up they are going to lose even more of their support.

so, please keep it up!

The reason it doesn't work is that if she were a man her 'lack of qualifications' would have kept her from ever being considered. She wss chosen because she was a woman.

This woman could have to face Putin one day. She better be able to handle all scrutiny no matter how sexist it is. Do you think leaders of foreign nations care if they are being sexist???

at the very least, sarah palin finished what happened at the dnc, unify this party

The Rethugs are getting quite good at this vicimhood thing: McLame's a victim of those who won't give proper respect and deference (read: a total free pass) to him because of the time he spent as a POW. And poor Sarah Palin's a victim of sexists who just won't give a break to a good, God-fearing, secession-lovin, abstinence-pushin, anti-choicer with ZERO relevant experience. Maybe we need constitutional amendments to protect these poor, harassed types?

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They keep echoing their belief that women are excited about this pick when poll after poll shows women are more skeptical about her than men. They have a very hard time accepting that women vote with something other than their genitals.

Another case of Republican sexist perception vs. reality.

There's a term for that in psychology - it's called "magical thinking."

If they keep saying it, maybe it'll be true.

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CARVILLE: Congresswoman, I don't know how to tell you this, but I supported a woman for president of the United States and spent many hours on this very set supporting a woman of the United States.

I hate the snake, but I have to admit he can really cut people off at the knees.

That rocked!

Gollum can be very tricksy.

Another Question - Should we have a VP pick who is under ethics investigation? It seems as if that would be a Disqualifier!

If Barack was under investigation or Biden they would crucify them.

To me that seems very damming to be under investigation and a disqualifer for the V.P. job

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One would certainly think so, yes.

What she basically is accused of doing is trying to influence the outcome of an ongoing legal case and that's just illegal, as well as terribly unethical.

Or basically to be more succinct'

She is accused of acting republican.

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Oh, and let's not forget that Sarah says Hillary was whining when she complained about scrutiny.

Some serious whining going on here.

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Anyone who is nervous about this can keep it to themselves.

The GOP is going to say and do everything - I mean everything - from here on out.

Get used it - we cannot run around worrying about whether or not they are going to say we are being sexist, racist, unfair to little Bristol or little Trig or whatever the fuck they come up with next.

Just enjoy watching them turn on this spit while they get roasted by the electorate.

Gender seems to be the last legitimate card the GOP can play, because the one undeniable fact left to the Reps is that she is a woman. The barrage of info has already undermined her claims to be a reformer, a maverick, and any other description that would make her seem appealing beyond the conservative base. And, without getting specific, personal reveleations have called into question her conservative bona fides.

Gallup out: 42-50. Just an eight point lead, but it's the first time he's hit 50. Put that together with Rasmussen, CBS, USAT . . .

Cough. They're toast. Cough.

And Obama's support is cutting into the Undecided's. Looks like a turning point...

She does? Let's check the record, shall we?

1980-1984
Obama gets his BA in Political Science from Columbia.
Palin graduates high school.

1985-1990
Obama serves as director of the Developing Communities Project and gets his law degree from Harvard, serving as president of the law review.
Palin gets her BA in commercial journalism, works as a sportscaster, and then goes into fishing.

1991-1995
Obama writes his first best-selling book, works as a civil rights attorney, signs on as a lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago, and directs Illinois Project Vote.
Palin leaves the Alaskan Independence Party and is elected to a part-time position on the Wasilla (est. pop 5000) City Council.

1996-2000
Obama represents approximately 200,000 residents as an Illinois State Senator.
Palin elected part-time mayor of Wasilla (now pop. 5470)

2001-2004
Obama continues to serve as Illinois State Senator.
Palin mayor of Wailla for two more years, then appointed member of the state Gas Committee for two years.
2005-2006
Obama serves as U.S. Senator.
Palin on the board of the Valley Hospital Association.

2007-2008
Obama continues to serve as U.S. Senator
Palin serves as governor of Alaska

Now, quit embarassing yourself.

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I just cut out your comment, pasted it into an email and sent it to myself.

Wow - thank you so much for that!

You left out the 2 years she served as the head of Ted Stevens' 527.

Comparing Obama to Palin is doing no favors to Obama. She is on the bottom of the ticket, he is on the top.

Regarding this sexism charge, the accused in this case should challenge the accuser to find a more inexperienced man ever chosen as running mate and if they can find one look to see if he was called inexperienced.

It's not sexist to challenge her credentials. They're obviously trying to rally women to her side.

I think rational republicans (they do exist) see right through this and I have a feeling that for every identity voter woman they pull they could lose an independent/moderate to Obama, and a Republican to Barr. I'm betting that there is a fair number of Republicans who would rather see McCain/Palin lose rather than allow them to be the Republican Party flag bearers for the next four-eight years. I assume Barr is running for this very reason.

Sarah Palin's blog. The Palindrome. OMG. I'm thinking this must be a joke, right?

http://sarahpalin.typepad.com/

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In my professional opinion as a blog commenter, that is a parody blog.

I could just about make an intelligent guess as to who put it up, too.

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Methinks the GOP doth protest too much.

CARVILLE: Congresswoman, I don't know how to tell you this, but I supported a woman for president of the United States and spent many hours on this very set supporting a woman of the United States and CNN presented me as an independent Democratic analyst.

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:)

You know, it wouldn't have been so bad if all of this stuff had just come out at one time, i.e. if they had properly vetted her and spun these things the right way, right away. But this drip, drip, drip of bad news is just insane -- I mean, I'm loving McCain looking this bad, but I'm actually starting to feel sorry for him. Maybe.

You know, it wouldn't have been so bad if all of this stuff had just come out at one time, i.e. if they had properly vetted her and spun these things the right way, right away. But this drip, drip, drip of bad news is just insane -- I mean, I'm loving McCain looking this bad, but I'm actually starting to feel sorry for him. Maybe.

Feel sorry for him? He has 9 homes, access to a private jet, and doesn't even show up for his day job any more but he still gets paid in full.

Even if he gets embarrassed in this election (which seems possible now), he'll be just fine. And so will Mrs. Buffalo Chip, for that matter.

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Co-sign!

I ain't feeling sorry for a 72 year old billionaire, who married his money and then proceeded to call it a "cunt" publicly.

Who stood there in Congress and voted to allow our military to treat our prisoners just like the Vietcong treated him -

Who has whined incessantly about his POW years ever since.

Who has no morals, no scruples, and very little brain left.

Fuck that.

Noun, verb, POW. Noun, verb, woman.

Rinse.

Repeat.

Feel sorry for him? The guy has 9 homes, access to a private jet, and doesn't even show up for his day job anymore but he still gets paid in full.

Even if he gets embarrassed in this election (which now seems possible), he'll be fine. And so will Mrs. Buffalo Chip, for that matter.

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I am a gay man. I came out in 1990 when I was serving in the US Army, and was on active duty during the "don't ask, don't tell" debate in 1993. I live in California, where Palin's allies in the religous right have gotten a measure on the ballot that would amend the California Constitution to ban same-sex marriage and enshrine anti-gay prejudice into our constitution. For my entire adult life, Sarah Palin and the rest of the religious right have insisted that my personal sex life is a legitimate area of government inquiry. What's more, in an effort to aovid the implications of sexual orientation being innate, Sarah Palin and the religious right have sought to blame my homosexuality on the parenting I received--the whole canard about "overbearing mother, distant father."

He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. Turnabout is fair play. etc. etc.

As a gay man, I will show teenage slut-whore Bristol Palin and her self-obsessed, neglectful parents precisely the same level of privacy and compassion that are willing to extend to me and my family. That would be....none whatsoever.

According to the standards that Sarah Palin and her family and her political allies would apply to me, I get to call Bristol Palin a trampy little slut who is damned to hell for failing to keep her legs together until AFTER she got married.
I also get to pry into her alleged 5-month-long case of "mononucleosis." I am no doctor, but according the Mayo Clinic's website, Wikipedia, and every other website I can find, the symptoms of mono last about a month. Where are the friends who visited Bristol during her alleged illness who can attest that she wasn't pregnant? Where is her doctor? Sarah Palin and her family should be willing to accept the same investigation into her possibly fornicating daughter's lifestyle and medical records that they insisted that I, as a gay soldier, should have been subject if any "credible" claim of my homosexuality should have surfaced. And, quite frankly, a media that has thus far focused only on "gay marriage" and ignored McCain/Palin/GOP support for "don't ask, don't tell" should be eager to apply the same standard of intrusive inquiry into the Palin family that the Palin family supports for me and my brother and sister gay and lesbian servicemembers.

And since conservatives are eager to blame my parents for my homosexuality, I get to blame Bristol's parents. The kind of mother who would return to work 3 days after giving birth to special-needs child is obviously the sort of career-obsessed, child-neglecting mother whose older teenage daughter obviously feels the need to get pregnant multiple times just to get Mom's attention. Clearly, Sarah Palin and her husband are at least as responsible for their slutty daughter's fornication as my parents are for my homosexuality.

Because McCain and Palin insist on making my private life, and the privates lives of all gay men and lesbians, a legitimate subject of government intrusion and inquiry, the media must apply the same standard to McCain and Palin.

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Well done, Jeff! I've emailed copies of this.

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Thank you Jeff in LA - I'm right there with you, baby, 100%.


What experience does McCain have anyway?

He is a Senator and so is Barack. They seem to be equally match except McCain has had the same job for the last 30 years. I don't think McCain knows how to do anything else except be a Senator. What makes him think otherwise?

Barack has garnered experience across a number of areas in the past 30 years. He acquired degrees in McCain's time in Congress, he was a community organizer, he was in the state senate, and now US senate. It seems to me we have a motivated go getter and a stale loaf of bread.

With all things being equal, Barack has a better resume compared to someone who really only done two things in his life, military and congress.

How do you like that for simplicity?

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Is this a surprise to anyone? Five seconds after I heard about McCain's choice, I said, "They picked her so they can play the sexism card." Five minutes after McCain picked her, they started playing the sexism card.

It's really, really pathetic.

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As I was writing that, I watched Leslie Sanchez accuse Hillary Rosen of sexism simply because Rosen questioned Sarah Palin's fitness for office. So this is how it's going to play out. The Republicans will demand that we not question Palin's fitness, and anytime anyone does, they'll be accused of "sexism".

Pathetic. Really, really pathetic.

What's wrong with this site lately? The double, triple and quadruple posts and the 500 Server Errors are really getting tedious.

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Is this a surprise to anyone? Five seconds after I heard about McCain's choice, I said, "They picked her so they can play the sexism card." Five minutes after McCain picked her, they started playing the sexism card.

It's really, really pathetic.

Sir, this is simply not true. Have a look: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/2/1613/27485/447/581295

Didn't Palin herself say that there is no room for "whining" (a reference to Hillary) in politics...that the "whining" itself demeans women?

Looks like the Repubs aren't taking their own candidate's advice.

John McSame, unnerved by the Biden pick, pissed off that Rove pulled the rug out from under him on Lieberman cracked under the strain and nominated a beauty queen out of spite, without vetting her


Imagine what he could do for America

Only in Republican America would a black man with a law degree from Harvard, 12 years in politics, four years on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and manager of one of the most impressively flawless and forward thinking presidential campaigns ever not be ready for the presidency while a white female evangelical with 19 months in national politics and a bachelors in journalism is considered "ready on day one.

SFCWallace:

Please note that it is the GOP that is driving today’s talking points as the Dems are interpreting them on their own terms.

As for presidential judgment, neither candidate has executive experience so you are left with judgment. What else is there? You tell me and we will discuss.

Well I don't think the logic is completely whacked it’s the topics. Please refer to "note" above. My point is: President's are not born they are developed. Even a Governor has to "learn" to be a President. How is that for logic? I am more willing to allow Obama to learn rather than McCain.

For Palin as VP: same as for president. I would mind seeing her as VP, but the focus is President and that is what frightens me. Her partner disqualifies her not her lack of experience.

VPs have never really been a focus of mine and they may never will be. I can't give her a chance because of McCain. She is out by association. It's unfortunate but that's how the tough cookie crumbles.

So in this discussion of VP/President, we have no reference in the way of experience in the Presidential realm, so I am left with judgment.

How about you? What is your understanding of bi-partisan deliberation?

What's important is that she's a Republican. Which means she's an idiot.

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