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GOP Congressman Lies On The Air About Palin And The Bridge -- And Is Called On It
A fun pattern has emerged that we don't see too often in politics -- the lies from the McCain-Palin campaign are now being called out as they are told live on the air. Just check out the reception that Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) received today on MSNBC:
"You know I think the proof, the proof is in the pudding," Cantor said confidently. "And the fact is, Sarah Palin when she was governor of Alaska, rejected the moneys that came from Washington to construct the Bridge To Nowhere."
He then faced a now-predictable grilling from Norah O'Donnell, who pointed out the truth that Palin did not reject the money at all -- she kept it and used it for other projects.
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So are you telling me that any lying fool can be a congressman?
September 12, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please, any lying fool can be president. As long as you either have a rich daddy or a rich sugar momma.
September 12, 2008 10:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rep. Cantor is bringing out the Sam's Club super-size lipstick for the bridge to nowhere pig and applying it furiously!
September 13, 2008 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder how many people will eventually be tarred and feathered by their constituents for coming out and endorsing LIES?
September 13, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm telling you that even a blind squirell will eventually find a nut.
September 12, 2008 10:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
They are sticking to a story that is proved false many times a day now.
Please let the Republicans continue in their stubborn insistence on this talking point.
Dear God, please make them ever more stubborn: make them cling to this horse-poop story all the way to November.
This is an extremely edifying little puppet show, is it not, colleagues ?
September 13, 2008 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
You would have figured that the McCain campaign would have sent out a memo to shut down these talking points - what idiots!
September 13, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
♪ Yeah, I love it too! ♪
We need a theme song for this... Somebody?
September 13, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps this Moldy Oldy, from Three Dog Night...
"Liar"
Sample lyrics -
Ain't that what you said?
Ain't that what you said?
Liar, liar, liar
But I hate to see good tunes mistreated...such as "Baracuda" by Heart, the song by Jackson Browne, and the other copyrighted songs that McSame and his gang of fools have been pirating.
"I'm John McCain, and I approve of this LIE."
September 14, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
All the repukelicans are putting their intergrity on the lines defending this lying Palin; HA, that's cumming from the "values voters" party of god. They are not ashamed of having lying people repersent them.
September 13, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Anybody else watching this ABC interview?
She doesn't answer the questions!!
September 12, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, but she uses lots of words. Seems like "efficiency" is one of her favorites tonight.
September 12, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whats going on inside that guys head: Help help my talking points are outdated!!!
September 12, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a douchebag.
September 12, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is all a very unfortunate series of events.
Look, people, to call someone a liar presupposes there exists an "objective" reality where there are facts like "the sky is blue" and "one plus one makes two." This is, of course, a deeply discredited view, as all reality is a political construct.
By placing the Palin narrative (and more broadly the McCain campaign meta-narrative) within an equally invented "reality" structure, the media is unfairly privileging one view point of view over another.
This is, of course, deeply, deeply sexist.
September 12, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
The McCain campaign today sent out a press release stating that the sun is now pink with purple polka dots.
The Obama campaign responded that such statements are ridiculous, and that the sun remains yellow.
The McCain campaign then charged that the Obama team has sunk to a new low.
And now to Bob with the weather!
September 13, 2008 12:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
The McCain campaign today sent out a press release stating that the sun is now pink with purple polka dots.
The Obama campaign responded that such statements are ridiculous, and that the sun remains yellow.
The McCain campaign then charged that the Obama team has sunk to a new low.
And now to Bob with the weather!
September 13, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I still don't think O'Donnell called him on it. The press is still letting these lies go unanswered.
September 12, 2008 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. There was no "grilling".
September 12, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo. She caved. He got his talking points in. Mission Accomplished. Shameful, the media is, fucking shameful. Of course, Ms. O'Donnell also reported earlier that Senator McCain was "loathe to mention his experience as a POW."
Liars, thieves, and scoundrels!!! All of them!!!
September 12, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
You go girl!
September 13, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cantor is a complete tool and I am embarrassed that he represents my state. I agree that O'Donnell could have done more -- he makes it sound like Congress foisted this on the Alaskan people against their will, which is beyond stupid and clearly untrue. But I also think we over analyze the precise details of what is being said because we have enough integrity to care about the specifics. I think the point for most people, though, is that it's indisputable that this guy is trying to pull something over on O'Donnell and pretend Palin is someone she is not.
Really, every day they talk about the Bridge to Nowhere is a good day because it's just too obvious that it was always a lie.
September 12, 2008 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
When I see Eric Cantor speaking, I think..smarmy...
September 12, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
When I see Eric Cantor speaking, I think..smarmy...
September 12, 2008 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to suck up to TPM *too* much . . . but you know, the push-back we've seen on tv today would be impossible without liberal blogs.
How do you suppose people like Joy Behar and Norah O'Donnell became conversant with the fine points of Alaskan earmarking?
"Talking Points Memo." The name says it all.
[Also, a big shout-out to Matt Yglesias, who has been emphasizing that fact-checking by itself is useless unless it *guides the larger narrative*. That point has been incredibly powerful in shaping the coverage this week, I believe.]
September 12, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word.
September 12, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep.
September 12, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
O'Donnel gets it wrong and I don't understand how she could still not understand this. Congress killed the specific earmark for the Bridge. Sarah Palin campaigned on the possibility of getting that earmark back. The question of whether or not she gave the money back, which is what O'Donnell focused on, is completely beside the point. The point is that what Cantor was 180 degrees away from what actually happened. She didn't reject the expenditure. Congress did, long before Palin was even elected Governor. I don't understand why journalists keep mangling this simple issue. Its highly annoying.
September 12, 2008 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama only up by 3 in NJ? WTF is up with that" And Frank is up by 11? I live in the Garden State. I have no doubt that Obama will win this state. As Kos has always said, NJ voters hate all their politicians but they hate GOP politicians more. But the fact that 80-bazillion year-old Lautenberg has an 11-point lead at this pint - and that's a lead I believe - but Obama only has a 3pt lead is little disconcerting. Don't get me wrong. Obama will win NJ and he doesn't have to spend extra money here in order to win. But this bodes poorly for other states. Living here, I know we have our fair share of folks whose racism isn't much different than the racism you find in the deep South. They will not vote for Obama simply because he's black. I think Palin made it easier for folks who were uncomfortable voting for a black guy to clearly break from Obama and vote for a women and say, "see, I'm not prejudice" Again, Obama ain't gonna lose NJ, but 48-45 bodes poorly for other states where Dem victories aren't so easily assured.
September 12, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm in NJ as well... and unfortunately I live in a Republican area: Somerset County.
All really rich people who don't want anybody taxing their money, especially not a black guy.
September 12, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Insult to injury, eh?
September 13, 2008 4:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's why it is important for Obama to undermine Palin. Without her, McCain doesn't stand a chance (which is why he won't campaign without her -- he drawa a few hundred, she a few thousand.) If there is a fear is that if as more get to know her, the more that will flock to her. I seriously doubt this.
September 12, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. The bounce we're seeing is a Palin bounce, not a convention bounce (except to the extent that Palin dominated the convention). I think Palin is the real reason Obama may be loosening up on the 527s. For a couple different reasons, he can't go after her too much himself, but she needs to be gone after.
September 12, 2008 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. She's a, in the words of Lincoln Chafee, a cocky wacko. But Obama (or Biden) can't say so.
September 12, 2008 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly right. Her favorable rating is now below 50% at 49% and her unfavorable is at 40% much higher than either Obama or Biden. We need the 527s to take her down a few notches and take the shine off of her. Anything that diminishes her, diminishes McShame. She is his crutch.
September 15, 2008 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's why it is important for Obama to undermine Palin. Without her, McCain doesn't stand a chance (which is why he won't campaign without her -- he drawa a few hundred, she a few thousand.) If there is a fear is that if as more get to know her, the more that will flock to her. I seriously doubt this.
September 12, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
co-sign.
September 12, 2008 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like that he can't campaign without her. It neutralizes her as a surrogate. Obama and Biden can be at different events at the same time, and when HRC is involved (like when she campaigned in Florida) that's surrogate #3. Add WJC and we've got 4.
I think we'll be seeing the Clintons as campaigners specifically in Florida and Penn./Ohio in the home stretch. The Republicans don't have people on their side who are as effective or popular with voters. If they did, they'd have a vastly different ticket.
September 12, 2008 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a nice thought. Seeing McCain by his lonesome self is really amusing. (And notice, he's never really alone -- when Palin isn't there, his wife is always there.) He was clearly irritated when he wasn't being evasive on The View. The same was true in that interview in Maine. He tries to keep it light but he's of an age where patience starts to wear out along with memory. Seriously, I have noticed that people grow less patient with age (can't say I blame them).
September 12, 2008 11:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Many people actually mellow with age. The ones that don't mellow... look out!
September 13, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe I know a selected pool? I keep remembering my husband's grandmother, who announced to the terrified occupants of her volkswagen beetle one day that she no longer had time to obey stop signs, and drove fifty miles home according to plan.
September 13, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oglib,
I live in NJ. I can ASSURE you there is absolutely no way that poll is indicative on my state. I wouldn't be surprised if Obama won here by 10+ on Nov. 4. Our governor is a dem and he's hated, but unfairly for him he inherited a mess for our illustrious now outed previous govenor, who ultimately had to deal with the debacle that Christie Whitman (R) left our state in...you would not believe the property taxes we pay here. We have voted republicans into office in the past and even voted for Reagan and Bush 1 in national elections but we have never and NEVER will vote for a neocon (Palin) or warmongorer(McCain). NJ is split in two between north and south, probably the capital, Trenton, being the dividing line. North Jersey is influence by NYC and South Jersey is within the Philly TV market. It's we are a bedroom community between the two. Don't even sweat this stupid poll.
September 13, 2008 8:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
NJ always looks like a swing state in the polls. Then the voting starts.
September 13, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama only up by 3 in NJ? WTF is up with that" And Frank is up by 11? I live in the Garden State. I have no doubt that Obama will win this state. As Kos has always said, NJ voters hate all their politicians but they hate GOP politicians more. But the fact that 80-bazillion year-old Lautenberg has an 11-point lead at this pint - and that's a lead I believe - but Obama only has a 3pt lead is little disconcerting. Don't get me wrong. Obama will win NJ and he doesn't have to spend extra money here in order to win. But this bodes poorly for other states. Living here, I know we have our fair share of folks whose racism isn't much different than the racism you find in the deep South. They will not vote for Obama simply because he's black. I think Palin made it easier for folks who were uncomfortable voting for a black guy to clearly break from Obama and vote for a women and say, "see, I'm not prejudice" Again, Obama ain't gonna lose NJ, but 48-45 bodes poorly for other states where Dem victories aren't so easily assured.
September 12, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greggy - I loves you and Josh and Sully and Arianna and boy do I love it that the media is actually acting like a free press in a free country.
WoooooooooooooooHooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!
September 12, 2008 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pardon my wishful thinking but I don't think Nora O'Donnell sufficiently debunked the idiot congressman.
I'm convinced more than half of the American electorate or either too dumb, too busy or too reckless to take notice the Palim sham.
Because there is some naivete still left in my heart, I hope media will put their own businesses first and realize the risk of keeping Palin a heart beat away from the Presidency.
If not the public, the Gibson interview should make it abundantly clear to the MSM think tank, how grave and dangerous it is to allow Palin a heart beat away from the Presidency.
September 12, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pardon my wishful thinking but I don't think Nora O'Donnell sufficiently debunked the idiot congressman.
I'm convinced more than half of the American electorate or either too dumb, too busy or too reckless to take notice the Palim sham.
Because there is some naivete still left in my heart, I hope media will put their own businesses first and realize the risk of keeping Palin a heart beat away from the Presidency.
If not the public, the Gibson interview should make it abundantly clear to the MSM think tank, how grave and dangerous it is to allow Palin a heart beat away from the Presidency.
September 12, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
O Eric - it's you and I left you out - well I loves you too.
:)
September 12, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pardon my wishful thinking but I don't think Nora O'Donnell sufficiently debunked the idiot congressman.
I'm convinced more than half of the American electorate or either too dumb, too busy or too reckless to take notice the Palim sham.
Because there is some naivete still left in my heart, I hope media will put their own businesses first and realize the risk of keeping Palin a heart beat away from the Presidency.
If not the public, the Gibson interview should make it abundantly clear to the MSM think tank, how grave and dangerous it is to allow Palin a heart beat away from the Presidency.
September 12, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pardon my wishful thinking but I don't think Nora O'Donnell sufficiently debunked the idiot congressman.
I'm convinced more than half of the American electorate or either too dumb, too busy or too reckless to take notice the Palim sham.
Because there is some naivete still left in my heart, I hope media will put their own businesses first and realize the risk of keeping Palin a heart beat away from the Presidency.
If not the public, the Gibson interview should make it abundantly clear to the MSM think tank, how grave and dangerous it is to allow Palin a heart beat away from the Presidency.
September 12, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
O I give up.
Four years ago, O'Donell wouldn't even have asked that much.
September 12, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pardon my wishful thinking but I don't think Nora O'Donnell sufficiently debunked the idiot congressman.
I'm convinced more than half of the American electorate or either too dumb, too busy or too reckless to take notice the Palim sham.
Because there is some naivete still left in my heart, I hope media will put their own businesses first and realize the risk of keeping Palin a heart beat away from the Presidency.
If not the public, the Gibson interview should make it abundantly clear to the MSM think tank, how grave and dangerous it is to allow Palin a heart beat away from the Presidency.
September 12, 2008 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Their big question: how do we take her down a notch AND keep our ratings.
September 12, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now that everyone knows this bridge deal was a big lie, you should put a vid together of all the Republicans that have echoed this lie. It would be fun to watch.
September 12, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
You couldn't do it in 30 seconds. You would need an infomercial.
September 15, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm seeing a trend here. It's starting to look like the McCain campaign has pushed their luck a bit too far with the press and they're starting to get called routinely on their lies. It's either that the lies are just too obvious, or that the press isn't taking too kindly to being attacked by McCain, or maybe both.
This morning I saw Harry Smith slap down Rudy Giuliani on the CBS Early Show. Rudy was complaining about the kind of foreign policy questions that Palin was being asked and he said that Obama was never asked questions like that. Harry jumped on it and said "That's not true," that Obama had been getting questions like that for the past 19 months. Rudy insisted and Harry kept telling him he was wrong until he finally stopped.
Could you imagine that? Journalists trying to get at the truth? Who ever heard of such a thing?
September 12, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, John Lennon asked us if we could imagine. I think we should try.
September 12, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like it.
September 12, 2008 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Josh Marshall is personally going to get the republicans elected. Remember it is Obama vs. McCain not Obama vs. Palin. Whatever happened to Joe Biden? Michelle Obama?
September 12, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
A sad concern troll? :(
September 12, 2008 11:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a novel idea when you have a presidential candidate that can stand on his own two feet isn't it?
September 13, 2008 1:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Gotta go after Palin. She's the only reason McCain got a bounce and the only reason people go out to see him.
September 13, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cantor is terminally offensive.
September 12, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
September 12, 2008 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
The sexist bastard!
September 12, 2008 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I dunno. America sends Alaska money for x. Everyone decided x was bad and scrapped the idea. Alaska keeps money for x anyway.
That's beside the point? I think that's an easier (and more interesting) narrative than "earmarks" and "special interests", etc.
Those are federal funds. Keeping money her state wasn't entitled to feels greedy. And because she kept it, some other, more worthy program did not get funded. Don't you feel cheated? You paid for a bridge to nowhere, the contractor never showed up, and he didn't even refund your money. Now you've got a couple million dollar hole in your pocket and not even a bridge in Podunk, Alaska, to show for it. You've been Swindled.
September 12, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn it. After spending so much of my life on a Talking Heads Road to Nowhere, I was hoping to finally get to the Lying Heads Bridge to Nowhere. But no. The Barracuda denies me this, the one thing that could bring me to a successful end.
September 12, 2008 11:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally agree.
She was spending a lot of our money on bullshit. Josh had a partial list on the front page. A lot of it was related to - o here's a surprise - the commercial fishing industry. [Todd is a commercial fisherman.]
September 12, 2008 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
By the context, I am assuming this is meant as a reply to what I wrote @10:32. Yes, the keeping of the money is beside the point in this particular context. Cantor was lying or he was completely confused about the facts. He was repeating the lie told by Sarah Palin. The way O'Donnell addresses the issue, it makes it seem as if Palin and Cantor could have been technically telling the truth but omitting some key details like the keeping of the money. But that's wrong. The statement itself that everyone now associates with her only real claim to reform about telling Congress thanks but no thanks is not reconcilable with the facts in any way shape or form.
I frankly couldn't care less about the money. In terms of the whole Federal budget, its an absolute pittance. All earmarks combined are an absolute drop in the bucket compared to either the annual budget or the budget deficit. I also don't think it makes sense for we McCain/Palin critics to start getting into the weeds about what earmarks and infrastucture projects are good and useful and which are not. I don't know the first thing about Alaska's infrastructure and I have no intention of pretending to. But I do know that she is lying. I know that the narrative that Palin is using to sell her bonafides are complete and utter falsehoods and that is what the story should focus on.
Whether she, as governor, kept money in her State that was maybe not in the best interest of the lower 48 is not likely to play as a big deal to most people. In my opinion, it really isn't a big deal. But the fact that her supposed resume as a reformer is a complete fabrication is important and O'Donnell completely misses the key point in revealing that sham.
September 13, 2008 1:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have to say: the modern GOP really has perfected the art of lying -- and continuing to lie, no matter how obvious the truth is and how many times they're confronted with it.
It's that relentless, mindless, blank-faced repetition that takes it beyond the level or ordinary political lies and into the realm of Orwellian doublespeak.
What's funny is that Orwell thought it would take a ruthless police state to achieve the same effect -- when all you really need to do is to reduce the voters to a mass of stupified, TV-poisoned zombies who are too ignorant to know the truth and too jaded to care.
Soma 1, Big Brother 0.
September 12, 2008 11:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to get into a huge "academic" argument but that exactly not what Orwell was saying. Orwell was saying that people operate basically upon personal interest, which at its deepest core is surrounded by fear. What the Repubs understand (since Nixon) is that you really don't need the police state, which tends to up the anger and rebellion.
September 12, 2008 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does no one ever get tired of being cynical?
It's not as if you're bucking the trend or anything, so it's not overly sophisticated or daring to think that the public is stupefied, TV-poisoned zombies. In fact, it's louche at this juncture.
And a very big bore.
It's so 2004.
This is 2008 and I'm ready to rock, I'm ready to hope, I'm ready to imagine and I'm ready to see Barack Obama elected President of the United States.
And I"m ready for an end to the cynicism, the nihilism that passes for intellectualism sometimes to go away. It's past it's due to die date.
September 12, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cynicism is cool and shows one's intellectual cred. Frank Zappa as the deepest of political analysts. But seriously, we have to work to move forward regardles of, in spite of, and complete non-deferenece to the voters in years past that brought us to this point.
September 12, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
As far as I can tell, acamus, if we don't do something, we'll just sit here and swirl around in a stagnate backwater. I see hopeful signs out there and they get shot down like skeet because it doesn't fit that pattern.
I dunno - Obama's all about this, no? Getting people to believe again?
September 12, 2008 11:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
After spending my life in the blue epicenter of Seattle-Portland corridor, I'm now in Indiana (kind of like of Texas). And everyday is chance to convince someone that Obama is someone who is on their side. I could fold, given those speaking in tounges who believe I will be left behind but I refuse. Why? Because I have had...enough.
September 12, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
heh I will be doing a presentation on McCain giving rewards for trolling on monday in my grad class on computer ethics.
September 12, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I recap here would be appreciated.
September 13, 2008 12:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, exactly. I was talking to a dear friend from Dallas about all this the other day on the phone and I was moaning about o god what if they win, and she said: They can't - it's too weird to think about.
And you know what? In a very literal way it really is too weird to contemplate.
Not happening.
September 12, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
After the actor turned Governor Reagan, and Georgie, part of me wouldn't be suprised with the image of the leaders of the G8 trying to act non-chalant greeting Palin as leader of the US, and yet another part just can't accept it. Not after eight years of the village idiot.
September 12, 2008 11:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, that gives me hope too. I just can't imagine McCain and Palin actually in the White House. It's too goofy.
September 13, 2008 12:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Repubs like to chide Obama for being a "celebrity" but the fact of the matter is, he's getting a wide swath of people interested in politics. God forbid kids have an intelligent, responsible role model out there.
September 12, 2008 11:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Woah! "Louche" - I actually had to look that one up. That hardly ever happens. Thanks, Tenna.
September 13, 2008 3:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to see people remain calm and focused, dammit.
Some of you have a tendency to fly off the handle from time to time.
September 12, 2008 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
The handle is good place to be.
Obama is focused, his campaign team is focused. McCain is pissing off everyone in the media. We need to stay calm and state our case, and stay on the high road.
September 12, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well look what the cat dragged in. :)
September 12, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
The handle is good place to be while the others thrash abount in the gutter.
September 12, 2008 11:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Darling everyone doesn't have your attributes.
September 12, 2008 11:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hell - that was meant for Lamont and posted way down below his comment -
September 12, 2008 11:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hell is other people. |:^)~
September 12, 2008 11:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ms O'Donell,
Thank you for your effort BUT the use of the L-Word would have perfectly acceptable and accurate in this context.
L-i-a-r. Learn it. Use it.
September 13, 2008 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ms O'Donell,
Thank you for your effort BUT the use of the L-Word would have perfectly acceptable and accurate in this context.
L-i-a-r. Learn it. Use it.
September 13, 2008 12:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
What's so maddening about this kind of stuff is how easy it is to knock it down.
Imagine Charlie Gibson, instead of going with "but you campaigned in favor of the Bridge to Nowhere" had said: "You keep saying, 'I told Congress, thanks but no thanks.' When did you do this, and how? Did you send them a memo/letter, make phone calls, or hold a press conference to announce to Congress that you didn't want the bridge? Can you tell us how you communicated to Congress that you didn't want that bridge for Alaska?"
Now, THAT would be a true moose in the headlights moment, because it's unspinnable. You either have the documentary evidence that you did what you've been claiming you did, or you don't. And in Palin's case, we know that she don't.
September 13, 2008 12:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seconded!
This response is far stronger than throwing around "LIAR" because asking someone to elaborate on a lie forces them into a situation where they'll either babble incoherently or spin an even deeper lie, on the record. It also puts the interviewer in a stronger position to avoid caving in and letting the talking point gain traction.
Of course, doesn't help much with people who can't tell or don't care if someone's babbling incoherently.
September 13, 2008 1:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Charlie, the thing of it is, Charlie, that he said puddin', not pudding, Charlie. And, Charlie, that makes it a fine way to end the week with a laugh, Charlie. Do you agree, Charlie? Because, Charlie, puddin' is funny. Charlie?
September 13, 2008 12:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
They are sticking to a story that is proved false many times a day now.
Please let the Republicans continue in their stubborn insistence on this talking point.
Dear God, please make them ever more stubborn: make them cling to this horse-poop story all the way to November.
This is an extremely edifying little puppet show, is it not, colleagues ?
September 13, 2008 12:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tena, as a lawyer, have you signed up for the Obama Voter Protection Team? If so, where did you get assigned?
September 13, 2008 12:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Charlie, the thing of it is, Charlie, that he said puddin', not pudding, Charlie. And, Charlie, that makes it a fine way to end the week with a laugh, Charlie. Do you agree, Charlie? Because, Charlie, puddin' is funny. Charlie?
September 13, 2008 12:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Charlie, the thing of it is, Charlie, that he said puddin', not pudding, Charlie. And, Charlie, that makes it a fine way to end the week with a laugh, Charlie. Do you agree, Charlie? Because, Charlie, puddin' is funny. Charlie?
September 13, 2008 12:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Time to take these Republican bastards down, NOW.
September 13, 2008 12:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
everyone here is very smart, and very clever, and has lots to say.
what are we DOiNG?
Volunteer, damn it.
Hit the streets, make phone calls
volunteer
September 13, 2008 12:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
We've been working and contributing $$$.
Kinda late to make phone calls, unless you're in Hawaii, and even then I think we have the Aloha State.
Doncha think?
September 13, 2008 1:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I do not see where O'Donnell called out Cantor. Cantor repeatedly said that Palin 'rejected' the Bridge to Nowhere. No Palin did not. Congress refused to put up the additional funds for the Bridge to Nowhere and Palin kept the funds that she already had.
O'Donnell made clear that Palin kept the money. O'Donnell failed to make clear that it was Congress who rejected the Bridge to Nowhere, not Palin.
It simply is a flat out lie, that Palin rejected anything.
Thanks, but no thanks is a lie.
Just like her selling the jet on Ebay is very misleading. She put the jet on Ebay..it did not sell. More importantly, it has been the policy in Alaska for three years prior to Palin becoming Governor, for the state to use Ebay to sell off government items.
In short, using Ebay was not an innovative 'reform' idea from Palin, but rather SOP for Alaska government.
The woman is just a pathological liar.
September 13, 2008 1:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is Rep. Canter a "Don't ask, don't tell" congresscritter? I'm just sayin'.
September 13, 2008 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Has it occurred to anyone that Palin is the Imelda Marcos of Earmarks
September 13, 2008 4:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good one.
September 13, 2008 8:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
It never ceases to amaze me the willingness of the Thuglican clan to rally behind their leader, like lemmings in search of a cliff. Break out the brown shirts and get those knees in the air.
September 13, 2008 8:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's called Party Loyalty....sometimes confused with Patriotism
September 13, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
They are Party Loyalists - not to be confused with Patriots
September 13, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
That was not a grilling. It was a light toasting.
September 13, 2008 9:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
That was not a grilling. It was at best a light toasting.
September 13, 2008 9:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exposing John McCain's Lies -- Pass it on!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk
Are we finally pulling back the Curtin on the Wizards of Oz?
September 13, 2008 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is so good!
September 13, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Since the McCain team want to keep on expressing outrage at Senator Obama's "lipstick on a pig" remark about John McCain's economic proposals, then shouldn't all "Hockey Moms" and women in general, be completely outraged at Sarah Palin?
After all, Sarah Palin, in a national TV address, declared that Hockey Moms were just lipstick wearing Pit Bulls.
Sarah Palin called a group of young mothers; "Pit Bulls".
Where is the feminist outrage?
September 13, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
It may have been at best a light toasting, but personally I didn't expect even that much and I'll take it.
It beats the bullshit of the last 7 years all to hell.
I'm grateful for small miracles.
September 13, 2008 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
It may have been at best a light toasting, but personally I didn't expect even that much and I'll take it.
It beats the bullshit of the last 7 years all to hell.
I'm grateful for small miracles.
September 13, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
It may have been at best a light toasting, but personally I didn't expect even that much and I'll take it.
It beats the bullshit of the last 7 years all to hell.
I'm grateful for small miracles.
September 13, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
If there is one single lesson to be taken from this campaign season, it is that Republicans will, evidently, fall in line behind any candidate or issue, regardless of their individual merits. The sad parade of right wing pundits making the rounds to defend Palin's lack of knowledge about basic foreign policy or McCain's outright falsehoods have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Republicans are party loyalists first and foremost.
September 13, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can anybody give me a leg up with a post? The software has gone haywire in the Cafe...Things are falling off cliffs faster than Palin is going down!
September 13, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oops..forgot the link... can't believe this even posted!
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/making-a-list-checking-it-twic.php
September 13, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Link:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/making-a-list-checking-it-twic.php
September 13, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
If there is one single lesson to be taken from this campaign season, it is that Republicans will, evidently, fall in line behind any candidate or issue, regardless of their individual merits. The sad parade of right wing pundits making the rounds to defend Palin's lack of knowledge about basic foreign policy or McCain's outright falsehoods have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Republicans are party loyalists first and foremost.
September 13, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can anybody give this post a leg up with a rec? The Cafe software has gone haywire! Things are falling off cliffs faster than Palin over there!
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/making-a-list-checking-it-twic.php
September 13, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a great example of how incompetent, or maybe risk taking, McCains campaign team is.
They pull an ace out of their asses (Sarah Palin) ,or more than likely James Dobson pushed her up there. Then they vastly overplay the Palin card with all sorts of embellishments and half truths.
Now they are on defense explaining, and re-explaining her record and her new found positions.
Give things a little time, like say about a week or two, and Palin will be brought back to earth (the round one not the flat one she believes). Her undoing is coming at the hands of McCains camp due to their inexperience and poor judgement.
September 13, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Linky:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/making-a-list-checking-it-twic.php
September 13, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I rec'd your post, Thera.
I can't think of one to add to your list, but I'll keep it in mind.
Is this thing working or not?
September 13, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a great example of how incompetent, or maybe risk taking, McCains campaign team is.
They pull an ace out of their asses (Sarah Palin) ,or more than likely James Dobson pushed her up there. Then they vastly overplay the Palin card with all sorts of embellishments and half truths.
Now they are on defense explaining, and re-explaining her record and her new found positions.
Give things a little time, like say about a week or two, and Palin will be brought back to earth (the round one not the flat one she believes). Her undoing is coming at the hands of McCains camp due to their inexperience and poor judgement.
September 13, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
If there is one single lesson to be taken from this campaign season, it is that Republicans will, evidently, fall in line behind any candidate or issue, regardless of their individual merits. The sad parade of right wing pundits making the rounds to defend Palin's lack of knowledge about basic foreign policy or McCain's outright falsehoods have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Republicans are party loyalists first and foremost.
September 13, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, this is an excellent, brief summation of the rambo of the great northwest and how irresponsible and incompetent that she and mcbush are. The question is: Will anyone pay attention?
Only time will tell, but we cannot afford another 4 disastrous years stagnating and wallowing around when our country needs to fundamentally change how it does business. We will wind up being a third rate power borrowing from the world bank soon. Come on america, wake the f*ck up!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/opinion/13sat1.html?hp
September 13, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe the eye of the storm has passed. The MSM is begining a discernible shift that questions Mccain's biggest strength his "honor". In a bizarre way I think Palin has done Obama a big favor. Instead of crusing to victory on the basis of turnout and a constant 3 to 4 point lead in polls he and his campaign have been forced to get on message stronger and go harder after Mccain. Avoid Palin she is a shiny object but not the real issue. Mccain is. The view was a perfect example of how to use the man's greatest weapon against him. His "honor" is in tatters and Obama does not need to be dishonest in hammering that. Mccain is a liar and a serial one to boot. The lies have poured forth. The ads on this are easy. The headlines run across the MSM gamut. Judgement is the hammer and lies are the nail. The coffin is out of touch, do anything, say anything to win grave Mccain leapt into to win at any cost. The meme is there and I have faith it will be accepted. The MSM will love it, "POW honor questioned!" "Has Mccain sold his soul to win." Palin will recede and Mccain will be off message defending himself. Republicans will scream foul and will brow beat the press to no end. There is a risk of course but given all the evidence Mccain has provided I believe it is minimal.
September 13, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
did i really read this????
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Brian_Rogers_doesnt_care_what_you_think.html#comments
September 13, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
PALIN FAVORABILITY
DATE FAV UNFAV NO OPINON
13-Sep 49% 40% 11%
September 13, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
If there is one single lesson to be taken from this campaign season, it is that Republicans will, evidently, fall in line behind any candidate or issue, regardless of their individual merits. The sad parade of right wing pundits making the rounds to defend Palin's lack of knowledge about basic foreign policy or McCain's outright falsehoods have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Republicans are party loyalists first and foremost.
September 13, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a great example of how incompetent, or maybe risk taking, McCains campaign team is.
They pull an ace out of their asses (Sarah Palin) ,or more than likely James Dobson pushed her up there. Then they vastly overplay the Palin card with all sorts of embellishments and half truths.
Now they are on defense explaining, and re-explaining her record and her new found positions.
Give things a little time, like say about a week or two, and Palin will be brought back to earth (the round one not the flat one she believes). Her undoing is coming at the hands of McCains camp due to their inexperience and poor judgement.
September 13, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Repugs really do not like truth and facts to get in the way of their choreographed talking points.
September 13, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Repugs really do not like truth and facts to get in the way of their choreographed talking points.
September 13, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
"He then faced a now-predictable grilling from Norah O'Donnell..."
you call that a grilling? She let him go on and on making it sound credible...then no follow-up. If I was a repug, or other form of American tard, I would have gained nothing from this.
September 13, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wish I had invested in "Botox Stock" There has got to be a run on the market for all the "Republican Talking Heads" so they can keep a straight face trying to support all their lies McCain/Palin keep coming out with.
I think they keep "Reporters in an issolation chamber between interviews so their interviews are not contaminated by "Facts'.
September 13, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
With the RNC running on the "Lie, Cheat and Steal" ticket, they have become immune to the usual rhetoric of today's TV news interview. Take for example this interview. Here we see a man- clearly cornered in his own lie- wriggling his way out of the pliable grip of his interviewer by resorting to the wingnut playbook (start reciting some babble from a college-level poli sci text book and then swing it around to score one final blow for McCain/Palin before your interviewer gets another chance to speak)
News networks that want an Obama-voting viewership (only more than HALF the country) need to arm their anchors with tools for cutting through this age-old strategy. Here are some helpful phrases for them to keep handy when interviewing wingnuts:
"That's not at all what I'm talking about."
"You're not listening to me."
"Can you be more specific?"
"What are your sources for that claim?"
"Stop yelling."
"Answer the question or this interview is over."
It's fun. You try it.
September 14, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the jerkoff kept lying his ass off.
September 14, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink