Election Central Sunday Roundup
Dems And GOP At Financial Parity For General Election
The two presidential nominees and their parties entered the general election on roughly equal financial footing -- Barack Obama and the DNC had $95 million on hand, and John McCain and the RNC $94 million. Another fun number: In August alone, the two sides spent over $90 million altogether.
Obama In North Carolina, Biden Off The Trail
Barack Obama is holding a rally today in Charlotte, North Carolina, with a rally scheduled to begin at 1 p.m. ET. Joe Biden does not have any scheduled events.
McCain Speaks To National Guard, Palin In Florida
John McCain is speaking today to the National Guard convention in Baltimore, Maryland, scheduled for 3:30 p.m. ET. Sarah Palin is holding a campaign rally in Lady Lake, Florida, scheduled for 4:30 p.m. ET.
Dems Going After McCain On Health Care And Banking Statement
The Dems are pouncing on some comments by John McCain, in which he said health insurance should be deregulated in the same way as banking was, in order to achieve the same success. The Obama campaign and state Democratic parties have announced a series of events across the country, designed to attack McCain for this bizarre statement.
VP Debate Rules Dumbed Down
The rules for the upcoming vice-presidential debate have been altered at the McCain campaign's insistence, in an apparent attempt to make things easier on Sarah Palin. Instead of a more open-ended format that will allow the candidates to interact on the issues -- as will be the case in the presidential debates -- the VP debate will consist of much more formulaic question and answer rounds, allowing Palin to repeat stock answers.
McCain Camp Steps Up Palin's Foreign Policy Meetings
Sarah Palin will be meeting with Colombian President Alvaro Uribe and former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger this week, in addition to her already-scheduled meeting with Afghan President Hamid Karzai.
Polls: McCain Narrowly Ahead In Florida, Obama Way Up In Iowa
A new Research 2000 poll gives John McCain the lead in Florida by a 46%-45% margin, within the ±4% margin of error. Meanwhile Obama has a huge lead of 53%-39% in Iowa, which voted narrowly for George W. Bush in 2004.















These constantly lowered expectations for Palin really piss me off.
That's sexism - right there.
September 21, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
The big point is that the McCain people are the ones that pushed for this structure. They don't think she can do it. Obama people's probably agreed thinking they can make some subtle hay out of the fact that McCain's people don't have much confidence in Palin.
September 21, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Conclusion: This dog won't hunt!
See my blog on that:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/team-mccain-benches-palin.php
September 21, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everyone should see this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJThPjvscFs
Excellent anti-mccain ad from a private citizen.
Also my enthusiasm for VP debate just deflated a little.
September 21, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup.... just a pretty face showing us what's she's memorized!
This nation is sinking fast. Imagine what other countries must think!
September 21, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
The whole "Palin meeting with foreign leaders" thing is just totally bizarre.
What is the point of the meetings? What are they supposed to accomplish? What will be discussed?
Or is it just to be able to say "Palin has met with foreign leaders!"? That was a rhetorical question, of course - of course that's the reason.
But do they really think it's somehow impressive, or somehow makes people think she has foreign policy chops?
Does it impress people? Does it make people think she has foreign policy chops?
September 21, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I mean, it's like they've got a totally superficial checklist:
Foreign policy: Saw Russia from house! Check!
Military: Technically in charge of Alaska's National Guard, sort of! Check!
Energy: Lives in a state that has oil in it! Check!
Social issues: Didn't have an abortion! Check!
Diplomacy: Met that Afghan guy? Check!
September 21, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
It'll make headlines, plain and simple. Nothing but pleasantries will be exchanged. It'll shift focus from the economy a bit, but thats all I can see it achieving
September 21, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
It won't do anything but highlight the fact she hasn't met foreign leaders until this moment.
September 21, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
But it will give those in the repug party a point they can challenge...she has met foreign dignitaries and heads-of-states. Completely B.S. to you and me, but sufficient enough for them to vote confidently for the poison of their choice.
September 21, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing but a bunch of photo-ops! A photo now being proof of something, I have a mind to dog world leaders till I can get a photo with them!
September 21, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's going to spend the VP debate name-dropping...
"Now in my recent conversation with Dr. Kissinger..." etc.
September 21, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Latest Gallup Obama 49 to 45 for McFOS...weekend shift perhaps?
September 21, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain on the rise!!!!!! Seriously, um, it's a tracking poll. Could very well be statistical noise since nothing has really happened in the last few days to shift the campaign dynamic.
September 21, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
mcSham can't break 50%. Obama has.
September 21, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Next we will hear that Palin will be allowed to bring a book of talking points and also be allowed to have headphones on with campaign advisers talking to her. Shes ready on day one....
Such BS, we are talking about the VP of the United States why the hell are they nerfing the rules just because she isn't smart. If she isn't smart then she shouldn't be running for VP.
September 21, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem for her will be to be concise and accurate. She won't be able to wax nostalgic about how things are done in Alaska.
September 21, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's also that shattering accent and cutesy delivery.
September 21, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
No. The problem for all of us is whether Gwen Ifill will allow Palin to get away with the vague bullshit that she tosses out there.
Whether Gwen Ifill will even ask why, if "reform" is what she does, Palin lies about the bridge to nowhere.
The problem isn't going to be Palin. The problem is going to be the moderator.
September 21, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think Ifill will ask the candidates specific questions like the Bridge to Nowhere or, in Biden's case, the bankruptcy bill. She will be asking more broad general questions about how to address the issues like Health Care, Iraq, etc.
September 21, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
The key will be if she will press for specifics/follow-up questions to illuminate the respective candidate's position. That's where it will be dangerous for Palin. Has Ifill hosted a presidential debate before? If so, I'd like to get a sense of her questioning style.
September 21, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the transcript from the Cheney (ewww) Edwards VP debate
http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004b.html
September 21, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for that link.
It seems clear that she did her homework (once you get past the bazillion "you have 90 seconds" responses, of course).
September 21, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Polls: McCain Narrowly Ahead In Florida"
Hmmm, one might say McCain is clinging to a lead in Florida, wouldn't one, Eric?
September 21, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why would the Obama campaign agree to such a re-formatting?!
September 21, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
One one hand it keeps Biden in check as well. But I think they believe that Palin won't be able to be able to address the question asked. She will have talking points memorized, but unless Gwen Ifill asks a question that is perfectly aligned with the talking points, she will be off message and it will be obvious she doesn't know anything except how to hunt moose.
September 21, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. If one thing I learned from watching the Democratic Primary debates is that you can tell when someone is bullshitting their way through an answer. And after watching Palin on the trail, I'm confident that she's going to demonstrate that she is over her head.
Plus it limits her ability to attack Biden, which would be her best way to force him into an unintentional error.
September 21, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't mean to be a downer, but I really don't have much confidence in Gwen Ifill.
Her comments during "Washington Week" have tended to be the sort of bloviation that comes out of Washington insiders and traditional media.
In fairness to Ifill, though, I stopped watching Washington Week over the summer, because I found it increasingly vapid.
September 21, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I expect generic questions like: Given the success of the surge, what should US do next? Should the government take a more active role in Health Care? The thing is, even this stuff will probably trip Palin up.
September 21, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Gwen Ifill/Shill.
September 21, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. I stopped watching shortly after Paul Duke left :-)
September 21, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I see your point. Palin will just regurgitate what she's be told is the correct response to a question. If she goes off message, she'll be toast.
September 21, 2008 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-meets-with-afghani.html
Saturday, September 20, 2008
Sarah Palin Meets with Afghan President Karzai (Transcript)
TRANSCRIPT:
Palin: Oh, Mr. President, it is such a pleasure to meet you, you're the first head of state that I have had the opportunity to meet--which is more than many Vice Presidents--and I'm so glad that my first one is an Afghani.
You know, in Trig's class there was a little Afghani? He was the child of one of the oil executives, and he was so cute, with his little turban runnin' around, everyone just loved him, and felt for him...
Karzai: Yes.
Palin: And everyone knew that we just had to defend him and keep him free and that's why I think that with a Palin/McCain...
Palin Aide: (looking up from clipboard) McCain/Palin.
Palin: ...McCain/Palin ticket, we can make sure of that, if we have to attack Russia, even, I mean, to keep people free at home, just like we want to keep our people free. We have so much in common! I know you have the problem with the poppies, and I understand so well, Mr. Karzai, because we have the same problem with the crystal meth in Wasilla? And I said "Look, we've got to shake this up!" and then that's just what I said, I said 'Look, let's just see what we have in common with these guys!" And that's just what you could do with the Taliban, Mr. Karzai. They've already so moral, and they want people to live by the straight and narrow, and they've got the newspapers sayin' and the schools doin' lots of the right things. They just need to get some of the right ideas, and pray to the right Lord. And, if they don't understand, we still have the weapons left over from Iraq, and then we can't blink, we can't blink, can we, Mr. Karzai?
Karzai: (Looks at Palin silently without moving his head. Pauses.). Blink?
Palin: Right. The thing is, we just have to hit the ground runnin', Mr. Karzai. That's what I do. A few weeks ago I didn't even know what a Vice President doesclock so you know just how much time you have left until you finish it. I tell you, Mr. Karzai, it's such a motivating influence on my staff, the good ones, anyway, they know what they're supposed to finish and when, they hear me sayin' "Look at the clock, people, look at the clock, and know what you have left to finish..."
Karzai: Yes.
Palin: And so I said to my husband, Todd--I call him the "First Dude"--Do you have that word 'Dude' here in Afghanistan?--maybe it's like "Khan" or "Emir" or somethin'?--I said to him, 'Todd, we have to take a look at what's happenin' in Afghanistan--before McCain called or any other thing happened--' cause I saw that Russia was right across from us, and then right next to that you have all the 'Stans--(counts cross fingers) Kyrgyzstan, oh, what's the others?--well, you are aware of them, of course, Mr. Karzai (laughs)...
Karzai: (Nods)
Palin: And if we don't let other people know of what I'm aware of then the world won't change, Mr. Karzai. I know we have the same goals even if we don't have the same God yet...(aide touches Palin on shoulder, whispers). 'Even', not 'yet', I meant 'same God even, Mr. Karzai, and my point is, we can't let others stop our choice, which is freedom for those who deserve it, and that's why I know a Palin/McCain...
Palin Aide: (reaching over to touch shoulder)
Palin: Stop! (brushing aide's hand off)...McCain/Palin ticket will do just what you want, Mr. Karzai...
Second Palin Aide Approaches: It's time for your next appointment, Gov. Palin.
Palin: It was so good meeting you, President Karzai, and all of your other people, it was so good meeting you too! Shalom! (waves, exits).
Karzai: (to his aide, in Pashto): She makes the last one look like the Grand Mufti.
Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-meets-with-afghani.html
September 21, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, stop being an asshole by posting your blog.
September 21, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unless of course you take pleasure in being an asshole.
September 21, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wholeheartedly second this.
Go away, Hewson.
September 21, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't read any of that.
September 21, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is anyone ready any of his posts anymore? I see the "From: Head of State" and I scroll on by.
September 21, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
It wouldn't be that big of deal if one didn't have to scroll and scroll and scroll.
And this one I peaked at a bit and he really is a lame creative writer. I'm assuming we're dealing with a fourteen or fifteen year old who believes he's the next Hemingway of the blogoshphere.
September 21, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Send a request that the person be banned to:
talk at talkingpointsmemo dot com
Request it over and over... till you get your wish!
September 21, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't read it.
Dude, you posted this in the *last* effing thread. Do you ever actually read TPM or is this just one of your many drive-bys?
September 21, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I never read that spam. I find it increasingly annoying.
It's dishonest and a kind of theft to ride a top blog's coattails like this. Occasional blogwhoring is totally understandable - but not this shit.
September 21, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nor did I.
Sarah Palin will make a fool of herself by trying to bullshit her way through the questions in the debate by using her rehearsed dialogues, whether they fit in to the context or not. I am certain that she will make herself look stupid and unfit for office.
September 21, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those of us who know the issues will see that immediately. My concern, however, is that her abstract and nonsensical "verbage" (as she likes to term it) may sound, to the naive and untutored person as if she knows more than they do. She has a way of saying things in a convincing voice - and unfortunately some people buy into that. They may assume that if she sounds confident and slings around a ton of fancy words... even if they don't understand them... that she's knowledgeable.
That's the problem here, in my view. (I hope I'm wrong.)
September 21, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
True, I am already disgusted with her. Hopefully the masses will be more discriminating than they were at the Repug Convention speech, now that we see her favorability ratings are plummeting. She certainly didn't do well with the "In what sense, Charlie?" interview.
September 21, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin sez: Guys and gals!
September 21, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kinda like Green Acres and Petticoat Junction all wrapped up as one.
September 21, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Green Acres and Petticoat Junction wrapped up with Triumph of the Will.
September 21, 2008 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
The media is loving this VP debate and getting ready for their narrative (i.e., They said she couldn't do it, but she did it! Wow! Everyone doubted her! She sure held her own against an experienced statesman like Biden! How sassy was she?!). It won't matter how she does, the media and McCain are setting expectations so low, that she automatically gets at least a B+ just for showing up. It's going to be just like her convention speech.
September 21, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
The scenario I fear.
September 21, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would just posit that the economic crisis has put the fear of god into just about everybody. This election isn't a cutesy game, but something that have real impact on whether we descend into something akin to another depression. For this reason (see ABC This Week), the media is taking all of this abit more seriously (except for FOX News of course).
September 21, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's a great point. The state of the economy has changed the framing of this election, so maybe the press will view the debate through that new framework instead of succumbing to Palin-mania.
But, I'm still worried that they want this narrative so bad that they won't let it go.
September 21, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
If they believe their rating will soar, they will do it. But the numbers for Palin are dropping. Even today, Wolf posed the question: is the enthusiasm for Palin waning? (or something to that effect). If the media just sees her as a repub-base sensation rather than a national sensation, they will be more likely to not treat her with kid gloves.
September 21, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
ITA. Just look at the immediate reactions after her Gibson interview: we were all on here laughing that she didn't know the Bush Doctrine, but it seems like most in the MSM were lauding her, saying it didn't matter, and saying how happy the McCain camp was with her performance.
After the dust settled, it became apparent that the public just wasn't buying it.
The MSM has been way behind the public when it comes to her and how she's coming across. I think the press got confused between the enthusiasm of the base and the enthusiasm of the electorate as a whole. They saw the increased size of the McCain rallys and automatically assumed that that would equate to more support from the middle. I think if you look at her recent approval ratings, it's pretty safe to say that they were way off the mark.
September 21, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're getting closer. Better watch your back door!
September 21, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
The corporate media is so cowed by Right-wing noise machine.
If Palin was a Dem she would have been off the ticket weeks ago.
September 21, 2008 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're gonna let her us a teleprompter?
September 21, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
In response to someone above I found this transcript of Ifill's VP debate in 2004
http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004b.html
But for those who wonder how it was that Repubs were able to squeak out a victory in 2004, all one has to do is read Cheney's closing statement. They played the fear card, and they played it well. It won't work this election.
CHENEY: Gwen, I want to thank you.
It's been a privilege to serve as your vice president these last four years and to work alongside President Bush to put our economy on an upward path.
We've cut taxes, added 1.7 million new jobs in the last year, and we'll continue to provide opportunities for business and for workers.
We won't be happy until every American who wants to work can find a job.
We believe that all Americans ought to have access to available -- to medical care and that they ought to have access to the finest schools in the world.
We'll do everything we can to preserve Social Security and to make certain that it's there for future generations.
I've worked for four presidents and watched two others up close, and I know that there's no such thing as a routine day in the Oval Office.
We saw on 9/11 that the next president -- next decision a president has to make can affect the lives of all of us.
Now we find ourselves in the midst of a conflict unlike any we've ever known, faced with the possibility that terrorists could smuggle a deadly biological agent or a nuclear weapon into the middle of one of our own cities.
That threat -- and the presidential leadership needed to deal with it -- is placing a special responsibility on all of you who will decide on November 2nd who will be our commander in chief.
The only viable option for winning the war on terrorism is the one the president has chosen, to use the power of the United States to aggressively go after the terrorists wherever we find them and also to hold to account states that sponsor terror.
Now that we've captured or killed thousands of Al Qaida and taken down the regimes of Saddam Hussein and the Taliban, it's important that we stand up democratically elected governments as the only guarantee that they'll never again revert to terrorism or the production of deadly weapons.
This is the task of our generation. And I know firsthand the strength the president brings to it.
The overall outcome will depend upon the ability of the American people and the strong leadership of the president to meet all the challenges that we'll face in the days and years ahead.
I'm confident we can do it.
September 21, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
O yeah - National Security is what won them election after election.
That is one reason McLame leaves me so breathless - he has conceded that issue to Obama. I guess he heard Obama say that a National Security debate was one he looked forward to having with McLame any time.
The Democrats just ran away like a bunch of scared sheep whenever the subject came up from 2001 until Obama stood up and said: Democrats can and will keep this country safe. It was the Repugs who were in office when we were attacked -
September 21, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Had the general election been in Nov of 2005 the outcome would have been different.
Now we have Obama who won't back down. I think the question that needs to be asked is not who is better able to deal with foreign policy issues but is the candidate capable of fulfilling his duties. As long as people feel that Obama is capable enough (even if McCain might be better in their opinion), then he'll do fine in the election.
September 21, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
You mean like this charge from Article II, section 3:
See? Even the most basic of issues has a character component -- faithfulness :-)
September 21, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
With a little cyber snooping I found some info regarding the real reason Palin fired Monegan. Surely this woman couldn't have been vetted properly.
September 21, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's a new one for me. Thought I read most of what's out there. This one has much more depth.
September 21, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I still remember the first Bush Gore debate when I tried to convince my friends that Bush would be declared the "winner" just because he didn't drool.
They will try the same play this time of course, but I don't think it will work as well.
September 21, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. People want someone who is capable of leading this country during this time of crisis. And this isn't some war happening somewheter over there, but something hitting all Americans and every community.
September 21, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Try "not at all."
If George Will is now finding McLame's personality frightening, I think we can set the expectations for the media and perhaps the debate moderators a little higher than we have in the past.
September 21, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
George Will?
You gotta link to that?
September 21, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Never mind. Found it.
September 21, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/21/abc-panel-tears-into-mcca_n_128055.html
September 21, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link acamus. I saw the show this morning at work and thought that is what Will said but I couldn't be sure. And I think he was right. McCain was even more scary this week with his yelling. Even conservative repubicans can be reasonable and to them dumb and dumber are going over the top.
By the way. Weren't there several of us that posted in this thread early this morning? Like really early? I don't even have my post on my profile.
September 21, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
They don't seem to show up on your blog anymore. Probably we'll all lose a bunch more blogs. Lost some in Feb. Likely more now!
September 21, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/21/abc-panel-tears-into-mcca_n_128055.html
September 21, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahahahah, I liked this line from Will:
It's clear McCain chose populism and that means pandering which is the antithesis of leadership.
September 21, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I watched this this morning.
It does seem there is a trickle of conservatives starting to jump ship. Some have been appalled by the Palin pick; some don't like him dumping Reaganomics like a hot potato; and some just have a hard time pretending that McCain's campaign is looking coherent and professional when it is clearly flounderign. Whatever the reason for their discontent, I do hope conservatives like G. Will keep saying what they really think for a little while, before they are inevitably herded back to the party line.
I also think the few WSJ editorials that have come out these past few days attacking McCain (but always with the Obama-is-worse caveat) will erode Republican confidence, especially as even the rich money-conservatives are being screwed by Phil Gramm's Shell Game-onomics.
On the other hand, there is a race for the narrative as usual, and it is a matter of time before the Repubs, pick their jaws off the floor, tuck their integrity away and hew to the party line.
The McCain camp is pushing hard that the cause of this collapse was corruption and greed of folks at Fannie and Freddie (and their pals in congress) causing them to make unwise loans. This argument benefits from the name recognition of those two entities, which far surpasses the name recognition of Phil Gramm.
It is surely true that there were bad judgements and bad actors on Wall Street and at F&F. But the reality seems to be that the two Phil Gramm bills (Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and the Commodities Futures Modernization Act) caused both the proliferation of unwise loans and the exponential worsening of that risk by allowing banks to bet on their own loans without even knowing what those loans were, and to hide the nature of those "assets" in their books.
The Democrats have to get out the word that the misjudgement at Freddie and Fannie wouldn't have happened and couldn't have happened without Gramm-Leach-Bliley, and that the problems could have been detected sooner without CMFA.
They also need to identify what proportion of this collapse is attributable to the bad mortgages themselves and what proportion is from the bets made on those bad mortgages.
September 21, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Democrats have to get out the word that the misjudgement at Freddie and Fannie wouldn't have happened and couldn't have happened without Gramm-Leach-Bliley, and that the problems could have been detected sooner without CMFA.
I don't agree with this because I don't think most people know, care, or care to know what role the various companies and laws played in creating this crisis.
The message should be (and has been) that this is a failure of Republican economic principles and leadership. McCain is part of that failure, as are those advising him. This is a failure not of a few big companies, but of their entire flawed ideology.
That message I think is much easier for most people to grasp and much more damaging to McCain and Republicans than McCain's attempt to play 6 degrees of separation with Fannie, Freddie, and Obama.
September 21, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
It will still work for the die hard 28% who still think W is doing a heckuva job...
September 21, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, well, who gives a shit? LOL!
September 21, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those folks are already brain-damaged. Once we get national health care, those folks are first on the rehabilitation list.
September 21, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fear? Come one guys despite the MSM Palin is not going to decide this election and in fact if she performs brilliantly against Biden and Mccain has a so so debate that wont help republicans at all it will only highlight how lame Mccain is.
September 21, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good God Check Out ABC's "This Week"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzc0re_3hQw
Obama can put the old man away this Friday...Biden can deliver the first shovel of dirt on the coffin 10/2
September 21, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good God Check Out ABC's "This Week"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzc0re_3hQw
Obama can put the old man away this Friday...Biden can deliver the first shovel of dirt on the coffin 10/2
September 21, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
That quote belongs in an ad!
September 21, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good God Check Out ABC's "This Week"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzc0re_3hQw
Obama can put the old man away this Friday...Biden can deliver the first shovel of dirt on the coffin 10/2
September 21, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Commenting appears to be flaky, again.
September 21, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup!
September 21, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Out of curiosity, did anyone see that CNN special last night with all of the living former Secretary's of State? If you didnt you missed a good program.
Albright, Kissinger and Powell sounded very pro-Obama, while Jim Baker was playing it safe. After watching that Powell only fanned the flames of him being pro Obama.
September 21, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't Sarracuda supposed to meet with Henry DirtyOldMan Kissinger for some kind of mind-meld before trotting off for all those foreign-leader photo-ops?
Yeah. He's got to keep his powder dry in case he's called upon to litigate the suspension of a recount somewhere.
September 21, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good God Check Out ABC's "This Week"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzc0re_3hQw
Obama can put the old man away this Fr
September 21, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good God Check Out ABC's "This Week"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzc0re_3hQw
Obama can put the old man away this Fri
September 21, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Out of curiosity, did anyone see that CNN special last night with all of the living former Secretary's of State? If you didnt you missed a good program.
Albright, Kissinger and Powell sounded very pro-Obama, while Jim Baker was playing it safe. After watching that Powell only fanned the flames of him being pro Obama.
September 21, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was just re-shown on CNN this afternoon. It was pretty good.
September 21, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good God Check Out ABC's "This Week"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzc0re_3hQw
Obama can put the old man away this Friday. George Will eviscerated him
September 21, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe Schmidt was right, it will be about personality, in the sense of Will: "John McCain showed his personality this week and made some of us fearful."
September 21, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
That clip should be shown over and over in red states!
September 21, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
That quote is fairgame for Obama to use against McCain. Especially coming from George Will.
September 21, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is REALLY worth watching six times
September 21, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Less of a number than the number of years that the media have not been doing their job.
September 21, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please, please, please, take this out of passive voice!
"some comments by John McCain, in which he said health insurance should be deregulated in the same way as banking was, "
McCain did not say insurance should be deregulated 'the way banking was', he said it should be deregulated 'the way WE deregulated banking'. He said WE, he took credit for banking deregulation, and that's where the focus ought to be.
Now that the meltdown is obvious, he's trying to say that "Washington" and the "old boy's networks" did it, but before the meltdown became so obvious, he was personally and proudly taking credit for banking deregulation.
September 21, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice. That statement works pretty well as-is, but it works even better the way you put it.
September 21, 2008 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
BTW, here's McSame quote. It's at the top of the second column on page three:
September 21, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point. Plus, the passive voice is never a good idea, Eric.
;)
Sorry - I was an English major.
September 21, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, this is another interesting piece from TPM, the real heroes of the election.
There are issues including, life, death, sex, prostitution, and drugs. What we have is another yawn piece from you Erik.
Just shut down the site because we all know George Bush should just resign. Scared of getting nuked?
September 21, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your handle might be of interest to the FBI or Secret Service.
September 21, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
IN fact, I might suggest that Eric talk to Josh about getting your ISP because I don't like that handle at all.
September 21, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good Call!
September 21, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
And they can track you down. The packet tracing technology is available and in use.
September 21, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a remarkably fine (and disturbing) article from Newsweek by Sam Harris (with whom I often disagree) on the real menace to world freedom that Palin represents:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/160080/page/1
September 21, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Fine (and disturbing) article that points once again to this unfanthomable facet of America that sees intellectual depth as a liability in a candidate.
September 21, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just read it. Palin is the Kobiashi Maro scenario.
September 21, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's Barack today: NO BLANK CHECK!
"We must work quickly in a bipartisan fashion to resolve this crisis to avert an even broader economic catastrophe. But Washington also has to recognize that economic recovery requires that we act, not just to address the crisis on Wall Street, but also the crisis on Main Street and around kitchen tables across America.
As of now, the Bush Administration has only offered a concept with a staggering price tag, not a plan. Even if the U.S. Treasury recovers some or most of its investment over time, this initial outlay of up to $700 billion is sobering. And in return for their support, the American people must be assured that the deal reflects the basic principles of transparency, fairness, and reform.
First, there must be no blank check when American taxpayers are on the hook for this much money.
Second, taxpayers shouldn’t be spending a dime to reward CEOs on Wall Street.
Third, taxpayers should be protected and should be able to recoup this investment.
Fourth, this plan has to help homeowners stay in their homes.
Fifth, this is a global crisis, and the United States must insist that other nations join us in helping secure the financial markets.
Sixth, we need to start putting in place the rules of the road I’ve been calling for for years to prevent this from ever happening again.
And finally, this plan can’t just be a plan for Wall Street, it has to be a plan for Main Street. We have to come together, as Democrats and Republicans, to pass a stimulus plan that will put money in the pockets of working families, save jobs, and prevent painful budget cuts and tax hikes in our states."
September 21, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the post. He is spot on, as usual.
September 21, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I got to watch his NC speech live. Just happened to stumble across the cnn.com feed at the right time.
It was pretty much the same as his FL speech yesterday with a few tweaks:
* He started out the speech saying Hi y'all to NC.
* He left out the snark about McSame's lobbyist advisors being like a staff meeting.
* But there was still a decent amount of WTF-like incredulity re McSame.
* He said he didn't blame McSame for the melt-down but instead blamed the economic philosophy McSame and others have promoted for a long time.
* He hit McSame on the insurance-industry journal article McSame wrote where he said he wanted to deregulate health insurance just as was done for Wall Street.
* NCSteve was there. He fainted and had to be helped out by the EMTs.
* That gave BigO a segue to mention how hot it was; that he was hot, too; that, in fact, he was hot under the collar about the mismanagement of the economy.
September 21, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has never gotten above 50% in Gallup's tracker (in a year when a Democrat should be ahead by 15 points at some point). That is ominous in light of the bradley effect that will probably occur in PA, OH, MI, FL, and VA.
Thursday night was Obama's best night in the trackers since July. Tomorrow the Thursday night results will fall out of all the 3-day trackers. So at least for one day, McCain will see movement in his direction in the Gallup, Rasmussen, and Hotline polls.
Fivethirtyeight.com is reporting intimations from Rasmussen that tomorrow's battleground polls in FL, OH, VA, CO, and PA will be favorable to McCain. We shall see. In 2004, Rasmussen's final polls got 49 states right (missing only NH).
I hear that Barack is worried sick that Sarah Palin is gonna mistake Michelle for a moose.
September 21, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
You got a link for that? I've searched his site and can't find it.
September 21, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have an answer! this is a bit put in the comments section at 538 by a McCain supporter saying he heard it on Fox that oen Rass guy was leaking that McCain would be up in ONE state he was not up on previously (the reps there are betting is PA) and that Ohio has ok news for him given the week he just had.
1. This is a rumor, NOT reported by Nate
2. NOT good news on ALL the states. So the poster who put that up is full of it.
September 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. That makes more sense. As usual, the orangutan, is full of it.
September 21, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
And can we just drop the Bradley effect. A racist will vote for McCain and wouldn't feel any guilt telling a pollster so, because McCain has the experience, is better on foreign policy, etc.
September 21, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shut
The
Fuck
Up.
September 21, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I second that.
STFU, dirty ape!
September 21, 2008 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
In next week's program, Dr. Zaius will explain why Obama not being able to break 55% is ominous. In the second part, he helps a young couple overcome their desire to have sex with shopping carts.
September 21, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
so a little more on that Rass bs. Mr Rass himself was just on Fox. After having said all week long that voters saw McCain just as commanding on the economy as Obama and given that wa sno longer believable his new line is that only 14% of voters think either candidate can do anything about it. So His talking point is that the economy will not determine the election. Want to bet this is the new thing we will see the trolls bring out?
September 21, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
well that would explain Obama's rise in the polls all week.
September 21, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Say what? The economy will not determine the election? WTF?
The douchebag of the day award goes to Mr. Rass...
Honorable mention to the monkey troll (you know who)...
NO MORE BLANK CHECKS! NOT THIS TIME! ENOUGH!
September 21, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
just got polled by rasmussen. it was automated, but i "told" them i thought obama was better able to handle both the economy and national security, and i "told" them the economy was the most important issue to me.
curious question in the poll: "if you had to make the toughest decision of your life, who would you want advice from -- barack obama or john mccain?"
September 21, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
i should add: all but one of the questions were about obama and mccain only (well, and biden and palin -- there was one question, "regardless of how you intend to vote in this election, how comfortable would you be with joe biden as VP," and another, "regardless of how you intend to vote in this election, how comfortable would you be with sarah palin as VP").
the "money" question, however, included barr, nader, and mckinney ("who do you intend to vote for in the presidential election") -- so they are apparently including 3d party candidates.
September 21, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does anybody recall this much polling done during a presidential election? This is starting to be too much.
September 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's just a matter of time before we start to see the beginning of a polling overdose epidemic...
For me, it started early this year.
September 21, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, one "nice" aspect of living in Texas is no one gives a shit what your political views are! LOL!
September 21, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look on the bright side folks - the bailout will cost hundreds of billions MORE than we've already spent on Iraq - 2000+ per person. Now if they pass that Wall St. Welfare bill - we won't be able to afford McBush wars any more cause we won't be able to borrow the money for their wars...same if they don't pass it cause we'll be in a Depression
September 21, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
It will definitely make it harder for McCain to argue that we can afford to stay in Iraq for that "victory" he thirts for so much.
September 21, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
that's a great point. will he be willing to lose a war to save an economy? or lose an economy to win a war?
check. mate.
September 21, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
The scary thing is that I believe he is willing lose an economy to save a war (and thereby lose the war because he doesn't have anymore money).
September 21, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
One family, having had 2 Obama signs stolen is out to catch a thief:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/obama-sign-cctv-1
Streaming video of their Obama sign!
September 21, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sweet.
Does me a little homesick for Portland.
Keep it weird.
September 21, 2008 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is it about Iowa that has Obama so far out in front? Anyone know what's going on there?
Pufferfish
September 21, 2008 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a proprietary feeling. Iowa launched the brand.
September 21, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. It's like a "mother" for her "child."
September 21, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe it's because Obama spent so much time here we probably know him better than any state besides IL. And you all know, the more you get to know him, the more likely you are to support him.
September 21, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting point. That's why I think it will be interesting to see Florida polls after two big days by Obama.
September 21, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain pulls another Killed-In-Action soldier for political purposes on 60 minutes.
Absolutely sickening.
September 21, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
He has no shame.
He looked AWFUL, too. I think this election has really taken a toll on him physically.
September 21, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
And we still have a month and a half to go. One can only imagine what he'll be like giving the concession speech.
September 21, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I went to my friends house to watch the show and I couldn't believe he did that. I mean - he was just waiting for his break to do that wasn't he. If Obama did that McCain et al would be all over him in a split second. It is sickening isn't it?
September 21, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
A sickness borne from desparation.
September 21, 2008 10:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I also cringed when in the same interview, he talked about firing the SEC chairman : "Technically he can't be - quote - fired, but I'll tell you: when I'm President, if I want somebody to resign, they resign."
What is that supposed to mean? Public humiliation? Blackmail? Death threats? The Troopergate story must have gotten to his head.
September 22, 2008 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
My take On Wall St. Vampire, Henry Paulson's, attempt to scare Congress into letting his fellow Wall St Vampires bleed our Treasury dry.
We saw this same scare tactic stampede Congress into approving the Iraq Disaster without taking the time to really examine the evidence.
Read my thoughts on why they better not do the same thing now, and what is at stake for the future of all large domestic programs.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/wall-st-vampire-henry-paulson.php
Please join the discussion, and click it on up, so that it does not get buried before others have had a chance to add their thoughts. Thanks.
September 21, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
At the risk of sounding pedantic, I read a little Thorsten Veblen (cool name) about 20 years ago, but that's about the extent of my economics education. I thought the idea of "conspicuous consumption" was great and certainly as insightful and revelatory as anything I've read about capitalism since.
Therein: don't just consume but prove to everyone who cares that you can afford to consume more than they can.
We're all in there somewhere: the consumer, the uber consumer and those who are impressed by consumption. I don't claim not to be in the mix.
I wish I knew more economics. I wish I knew more history. I wish I could live forever - (just at a different time!)
What I do know is that this election is more and more about one man: GW Bush. It's easy and even fun to bash Bush. But that's not the point. It's about GW because he is the logical end product of our unregulated "conspicuous consumption".
I fear we have no more to consume. Our time is over. We've had our fill. We need more than change. We need revolution.
September 21, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
A revolution sounds good. Where do I buy one?
September 21, 2008 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is the point of Intrade Prediction Markets?
September 21, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Report from VA: A group of Maryland Dems went to Northern VA today for a voter registration drive, organized by the Obama campaign. At a local mall, between 12 and 5 pm we registered 375 new voters. That's in one place (and during a Redkins game). We had drives all over Northern VA. We didn't ask, but my sense was that 95% of these folks were registering to vote for Obama. I think he's going to take VA. I really do.
September 21, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for your work and the update. Virginia does seem like its beginning to lean Obama.
September 21, 2008 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's also worth noting that people were coming up to the table asking for yard signs and bumper stickers. We didn't have any on hand, but everyone wanted them. We had addresses where they could go to pick them up but we were told that those locations had run out--were waiting to get more in. Of course, this is Northern VA, which is more liberal than then southern parts of the state.
September 21, 2008 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
But northern Virginia is where the bulk of the population, about a third of the state's population. If Obama can make a decent showing elsewhere he should do fine.
September 21, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Over at fivethirtyeight.com, Nate has reported that the Obama camp isn't too worried about yard signs at this point...just in case anyone wonders.
September 21, 2008 9:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I sure hope Obama pulls off Virgina. After canvassing for the dozenth time or so, I ran into this guy, John. I went into the usual spiel, I'm a neighborhood volunteer, bla bla bla. I Asked him if he was planning to vote for Obama and Warner for the Senate seat. He said he can't wait to see Palin in Playboy then said he's voting for whoever is running against Obama.
Every time I run into people like this guy that don't give a rats ass about anything other than garbage like Palin being in playboy, it makes me want to work twice as hard to get Obama elected.
I went ahead and asked anyways if he was willing to be a neighborhood volunteer for Obama just to get under his skin.
September 21, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
He probably won't even vote. Yeah, we ran into some harassment today that was unpleasant, but mostly, people were very nice. During the primaries I phonebanked for Obama in Philly. You would not believe some of the hateful racist crap I heard over the phone. You can't let it get you down.
September 21, 2008 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its amazing how people like Bush and now Palin who are so ill equipped for the jobs they have and seek seem to always get a pass. The debate gets dumb down to an idiots level when now more then ever we need a real hard thrashing out of the issues not lowering of expectations
Just another perfect example of how Palin is so grossly unqualified to be VP or President. Why let this empty vessel off the hook. Shouldn’t we be raising the standards instead of lowering bar?
Anymore can memorize an answer but an open debate proves who actually has a real grasp and intimate knowledge of what’s happening around the world. Its now about personalities when it needs to be about substance.
She always brags how tough and ready she is to lead now prove it.
September 21, 2008 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink