Election Central Morning Roundup
New McCain Ad: I've Taken On Tougher Guys Than Wall St.
John McCain has this new ad out on the economy, saying that he can reform the financial system while Barack Obama is just "talk and taxes," a contrast to Obama's two-minute economic ad from this morning:
"I'll reform Wall St. and fix Washington -- I've taken on tougher guys than this before," McCain says -- an apparent allusion to his war record.
Obama in Nevada, Biden In Ohio
Barack Obama is campaigning today in the Western swing state of Nevada, with stops in Elko and Las Vegas. Joe Biden is campaigning in Ohio, where recent pulling puts the Dems a few points behind, with events in Maumee and Wooster.
McCain And Palin Campaigning Together In Michigan
John McCain and Sarah Palin have another joint campaign appearance today, with a town hall-style event this evening in Grand Rapids, Michigan. This state hasn't voted Republican since 1988 -- but it's always close, and the GOP is targeting it very aggressively this year.
McCain Camp Takes Over Palin's Alaska Press Operation
The Associated Press reports that the McCain campaign has taken over media access to Sarah Palin's record as governor, with Palin's gubernatorial press office referring all questions to the campaign itself. In particular, the campaign is carefully managing any and all press involving the Trooper-Gate scandal, and are managing Palin's own legal maneuvering.
WaPo: McCain Changing Positions On Financial Regulation
The Washington Post goes into detail this morning on how John McCain is embracing positions of financial regulation, but only after he's spent years opposing it. "McCain now condemns the executives at those companies for pursuing the ambitions that the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act made possible," the Post says, in reference to legislation that McCain had supported in years past and was written by economic adviser Phil Gramm.
Hillary Cancels Appearance At Anti-Ahmadinejad Rally After Palin Is Invited
Hillary Clinton has cancelled a planned appearance at a protest outside the Iranian embassy in Washington on September 22. The reason: Organizers also invited Sarah Palin to attend, which could have led to a public confrontation between the two.















"I've Taken On Tougher Guys Than Wall St."
Who? The lobbyists that run your campaign? Your advisers that called USA a "a nation of whiners and exaggerators"? Fiorina, who now will just "disappear" for saying the truth yesterday?
I mean, come on!
September 17, 2008 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain killed Vietnamese people from the air, which isn't really 'taking them on' in the conventional sense, face to face. Once in captivity he 'took them on' by never attempting to escape and following his captors' orders until his safe release (which is exactly what I would have done, because I'm no hero either).
September 17, 2008 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is not about his past, this is about the future.
We don't need a good soldier, we need a wise leader. His name is Barack Obama.
September 17, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hell, he couldn't even take on the likes of James Dobson, Pat Robertson and Karl Rove to name the vice presidential nominee he really wanted. What a wimp!
September 17, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe he can walk into the boardrooms of lower Manhattan (being very careful not to get in the way of the moving guys!), and ask them to TORTURE him. POW POW POW.
I'm sorry, but I've had enough of this shithead for one lifetime. In a POW camp.
September 17, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
What, he's going to carpet-bomb Wall Street? It's bad enough he thinks that in foreign policy, all we need is a "tough guy," but applying it to economic policy is just ludicrous.
We don't need a "tough guy," we need a "smart and tough guy."
September 17, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, and as he constantly reminds us, he didn't do such a good job at it.
I don't want a President who's a POW (Prisoner of Wall-street).
September 17, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Consider the current state of our economy and the shape of things on Wall Street and Main Street.
Now imagine if Bush and McCain and many republicans had gotten way in their attempts to privatize Social Security. Imagine where this country and millions of Americans would be right now.
September 17, 2008 9:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Um, how'd that turn out, John?
September 17, 2008 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Poorly.
Pufferfish
September 17, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
He was held prisoner by the Viets and will be held prisoner by the corporate lobbyists on Wall Street.
September 17, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Um, he already is being held hostage by lobbyists: his campaign staff.....
September 17, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Has anybody else noticed that my boyz, the MSM, never once took Shithead to task for his legendary comment, "I know how to win wars!"?
One simple, two-word question would have sufficed:
September 17, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
(... don't know why that question didn't publish, but...)
"WHICH ONES?"
September 17, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry but McCain's message is going to resonate more than a 2 minute long conversation about the economy.
Things like "greed" and "I'll fix it" - empty of course, but people like to hear the easy to understand, tough guy talk.
Obama really needs to work on his lexicon here as we approach the final weeks. He has to start appealing to people that aren't as smart as him... unfortunate as that is.
September 17, 2008 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I have to say I agree. Personally, I like Obama's ad. Well-informed, intelligent voters would probably appreciate that ad. But I don't feel like this 2-min long (thus it's probably an expensive ad buy) ad will not get its money's worth; those Obama needs to court are average voters who are not thinking people with a sustained attention span.
This ad should be combined with a punch-line attack ad. So I'm hoping we'll see such an ad today or tomorrow. This 2-min long one alone does not leave any strong impression.
September 17, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
OK, how about this hard-hitting ad for the slack-jaws:
"Trust me. I'm always right and I never lie. I will fix everything."
Yeah, that's the ticket.
September 17, 2008 9:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clarence Page says Obama should dumb down his message.
Our national ADD has little patience for anything more than a bumper sticker message.
September 17, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
The question is, are there more stupid people who vote or smart people who could vote?
September 17, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you're saying that the Stupid vote is going to determine the election, then I'm forced to agree with you.
But your problem is probably that you think this actually can be addressed. It can't. No new ad is going to fix America's Stupids, so don't even try.
There was only ever one way to win this, given the participation of voters who, in a more sane society, would not be allowed to participate... and the window for pursuing that strategy is long past:
Obama needed to abandon the high road; forget about "issues" ("This election is not going to be about issues!" -- Rick Davis), and just slam the fucker repeatedly, mercilessly, dishonestly, shamefully... whatever it took to GET THE BALL BACK FROM THESE BASTARDS BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.
After that, Obama could have been St. Francis of Fucking Assisi, for all we cared.
Disclaimer: I realize I'm in the minority, in this belief. I also am trying to come up with some cash, so I can go to Vegas and put it on President Palin, by Fall 2009 (at the outside).
September 17, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama needs to release an ad that attacks McCain.
September 17, 2008 9:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
You mean other than the three that are already running?
September 17, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lol seriously, where have YOU been?
September 17, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain just isn't a very good talker. His voice has no deep resonance. And the ad is kind of cheesy, frankly.
But one thing about it that I think may work is the line "I've taken on tougher guys than this before." It echoes McCain's claim that he and Palin are a pair of mavericks who have "taken on" various fights.
And the contrast with Obama is meant to be pretty explicit. Obama talks change and tries to present himself as the embodiment of change, but McCain and Palin have both actually fought for change by "taking on" tough fights.
I would expect a series of further ads echoing this message.
September 17, 2008 9:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain and Palin have both actually fought for change by "taking on" tough fights.
Repeating that a lot doesn't make it any more true.
September 17, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
"WaPo: McCain Changing Positions On Financial Regulation
The Washington Post goes into detail this morning on how John McCain is embracing positions of financial regulation, but only after he's spent years opposing it. "McCain now condemns the executives at those companies for pursuing the ambitions that the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act made possible," the Post says, in reference to legislation that McCain had supported in years past and was written by economic adviser Phil Gramm"
-this should be the talking point from here on end...to eternity
September 17, 2008 9:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
What I'd give to watch all the takes of that tough guy snarl. Not to mention the short list of Mccain-with-tech-gadget jpegs. Wearing an iPod? Checking gmail? Bluetooth?
September 17, 2008 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's right, guys. Some people think the economy is infinitely complex, but it's really just like a mean NVA soldier who does bad things to you. It's that simple.
September 17, 2008 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is that Charlie Patton?
September 17, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes
September 17, 2008 9:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I've taken on tougher guys than this before"
if this were a poker game, this would be the time Obama says, "Call!"
September 17, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Notice that McCain's ad talks about "you" and "your" problems, while Obama's speaks of "we" and "us".
September 17, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is the one who's out of touch.
September 17, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's skirting dangerously close to encouraging Hatch Act violations if he's having AK state employees spending their time on the clock directing reporters to the McCain campaign.
September 17, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain violated his own campaign finance law. Look at the penalty he got for that. McCain talks out of both sides of his face. Look at how the press takes him to task for that. McCain, through his campaign staff, orders Alaska citizens to ignore legal subpoenas from its legislature. Look at the punishment that brought to him. So, you think his violations of the Hatch act will cause him some grief?
September 17, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
This McCain ad is a perfect illustration of what I was saying in the previous thread. Obama cannot gain ground by running as a High Borderite because McCain can just confuse low-information voters by co-opting his message.
September 17, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Really? Those guys who shot you down and kept you prisoner?
September 17, 2008 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
He should just knock himself out. And be done with it!
September 17, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe the rally will get completely out of control and they'll round them all up and stuff everyone, including Palin, into paddy wagons. That would be a hoot.
September 17, 2008 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain talks as if he's campaigning to be sheriff of Dodge. Are US voters still falling for this stuff? I mean, the Western movie genre has been dead for 30 years.
September 17, 2008 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously. This tough guy shit is beyond pathetic, especially from a feeble 72-year-old man like McCain.
September 17, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently they're considering disinviting Palin now. Which begs the question: why did they invite both in the first place? If there was interest in a balance between the two parties, why would they invite the VP from one ticket and then Clinton? Because she said she's obliterate Iran? It feels like they were just looking for politicians to brow-beat Iran.
September 17, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary was going to waste time pandering to the lunatics at the Iranian Embassy when our own economy is in free fall and we have candidates to elect? The lunatics in both parties control the asylum.
September 17, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
It raises the question.
September 17, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I notice the polls are moving smartly to Obama. I guess the bounce is over.
I think the new longer Obama ad strikes the right tone for right now, but agree that Obama needs to push back McCain's new found taste for regulation. His latest reinvention just doesn't ring true. The old man's whole political life has been devoted to deregulation.
September 17, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have no doubt there will be.
September 17, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
His latest reinvention just doesn't ring true
Not much about his campaign rings true.
September 17, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agree about McCain's bounce being over. A Zogby/Reuters poll taken 9/11-13 shows Obama with at 2 point lead. Well, we know that's already out of date. I think by now Obama has a 3-4 point national lead.
The Palin fascination is over. From here on out any attention she gets will be negative so they will try to keep the spotlight off her.
September 17, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
And surrendered then, too.
September 17, 2008 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I see rope-a-dope number two coming. Last week it was lies (and we all freaked out when the Obama camp wasn't coming down hard enough). Now it's empty promises (which, I recognize are also lies).
So Obama lays out a comprehensive plan, invites all to look at it, and McCain starts stumping about "GREED! CORRUPTION! CHANGE!" You let it accumulate for 3-4 days, and then you kill him with it. And then every McCain hack who goes on TV gets to explain why McCain is attacking Obama for not offering solutions when Obama has laid out a detailed plan and McCain's just spouting talking points that conflict with his economic philosophy.
Brilliant!
September 17, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
One thought, if McCain wants a fight he won't have to go far to find the people who caused this mess. Phil Gramm and the rest are riding around in the back of his bus.
September 17, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
But Carly Fiorina is now UNDER the bus.
September 17, 2008 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Election Central Morning Roundup
It's the economy, stupid.
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David, were you just calling Sarah Palin stupid?
September 17, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
This Election is a Referendum on the Rule of Law and the Constitution.
Unless we see it for what it is, we are doomed.
September 17, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not to mention the possibility of a later "obstruction of justice" investigation. I am not a lawyer but it sure seems like some of these actions of the McCain/Palin campaign come pretty close to looking like they are encouraging people to stand in the way of a legitimate investigation. Of course, it would take the Republican AK legislature to push the issue...which leads to another irony.
Palin is now depending on those "good old boys" she "challenged" to cover her backside. Not much of a maverick when the going gets tough.
September 17, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
For those of you who didn't watch Countdown yesterday, I guess a ton of Obama staffers have changed their email signature on their Blackberries to say,
"Sent from my Blackberry, a miracle brought to you by John McCain."
I thought that was hilarious.
September 17, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, Ben Smith had that story. Hilarious.
September 17, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
back up on intrade
September 17, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. Intrade's web site has him up but the graph on the side (updated today, supposedly) has it unchanged from yesterday. Update that shit!
September 17, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
My comment was a reply to Zack above at 9:34 re his comment on the Hatch Act.
September 17, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain may well be able to rebrand himself as an agent of change (after all Bush got away with convincing South Carolinians that he was a Reformer with Results in 2000). But that doesn't mean Obama can't define what kind of change McCain's really talking about: privatizing Social Security, taxing health care, etc.
September 17, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well then, it's time for him to start. Where are his ads on these topics?
September 17, 2008 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
He's got an ad up here in VA that hits on directly Social Security, along with a few other kitchen-table economic issues. It features a group of real citizens talking, in addition to Obama, and is quite good. I haven't seen it posted online anywhere.
September 17, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin may have shot bears but can she ride a bear market? If the Bush Doctrine made her look like a deer in the headlights what would an economic collapse do to her?
Katie, you're up. Are you a journalist or an entertainer?
Reality Show women are not reality-based.
September 17, 2008 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain's whole campaign message is: vote for me because I was a POW. He has nothing else to run on or we'd hear it.
September 17, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/cynicism-of-mccains-vp-choice.html
Monday, September 15, 2008
The Cynicism of John McCain and his VP Choice
If you read Jeffrey Goldberg's excellent piece on McCain in the new Atlantic, one fact stands out clearly. McCain's stance on the war is inviolate--it involves what for him are principles of honor that stretch back immediately and directly to his own experiences in the Vietnam war, and to those of his father in World War II. Just one example of many in the first-rate article:
“Bullshit,” Swindle said. “He’ll say Vietnam didn’t affect him, that he doesn’t think about it, that he’s aloof from it. But I see it. It’s there.”
This is the issue on which McCain is inflexible, certain, fully invested, passionate.
It is equally clear that as a result, he views all other issues as malleable, political issues--stances that can be easily taken, and easily changed, tactically-- in order to win a campaign and thus deal with the issue that, to him, matters.
This is utterly clear in his choice of Palin, where his Vietnam-and-since cynicism about political necessities is manifest--one of feeding the bread and circuses desire of the electorate, giving them, so easily fooled, as they were so easily fooled by the media in Vietnam, what they need, in order to be able to deal with the important issue.
The choice of a remarkably unqualified Vice Presidential choice is simply a political necessity. The attitude towards the public, and the media, in this choice, as in many of the public representations and statements of his campaign, is one of an extraordinary, jaded, cynicism: Feed the beast with whatever fantasies and half-truths it takes. We'll take care of it later.
Goldberg:
This is no doubt rooted in McCain's eternal certainties, drummed in by three generations of such certainty. And there is no doubt strength and decency--as well as these "family values"--that drive this commitment to an ideological core.
The question is this: Do we need another president with such a core of ideological inflexibility, rigidity and unwillingness for self-reflection, linked to a long past conflict--and who is willing to resort to half-truths, deceptions, and distortions in its service?
Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/cynicism-of-mccains-vp-choice.html
September 17, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Really, the blog whoring needs to end, dude. It just makes you look like a big loser.
September 17, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't McCain say the other day that he was "dead set" against a bail out of AIG? Shouldn't he be pressed on that and explain why Treasury's and the FED's reasoning is all wrong? Also, couldn't someone ask him why GWB is helping to create the United Socialist Republic of America (or USRA, kinda like the NRA)? (snark) If they keep him on the defensive on this stuff, Wingnut heads will be exploding all over the place as they try to rationalize all this on ideological grounds through their twisted logic.
September 17, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sarah Palin Baby Name Generator
http://politsk.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah_13.html
September 17, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I did it this morning, I am Fire Patriot Palin
September 17, 2008 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
More lies from the lying liar.
September 17, 2008 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Instead of actually trying to explain the problem and what he's going to do about it, Obama should just run an ad with fast-paced images of hot chicks, NASCAR races, hunky men, fast food, and piles of gold, while he repeats over and over - "McCain sucks! Wall Street sucks! I'm going to give you things - with NO MONEY DOWN!"
Seriously, do we need to run local cable car dealership ads to get the attention of half of the voters in this nation? I fear we do.
McCain, by the way, looks kind of ominous in that ad. A little scary. Maybe that's the idea - "I'm the bad ass who is going to take on the Wall Street folks whose asses I and my party kissed for the last 25 years." If I were his ad guy, I would have improved it by inserting that shots of him gritting his teeth while at the Hanoi Hilton and a shot of Palin in a bikini, sitting on a "snow machine", holding an automatic rifle in one hand and moose testicles in the other. He'd win in a landslide if he did that. Heck, forget about McCain and his message on the economy - just show the shots of him in prison camp and Palin in a bikini.
September 17, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
If just being the tough guy in car dealership ad is going to work on these undecideds, they would have probably already been pulled over to McCain by now.
The people who respond to the kind of ads you speak of have already joined him, which is why this race is neck and neck nationally and in the swing states.
Those who remain are looking for something in one or the other candidate. Some of them are low-information voters and some of them are not. Some want to "connect" with the candidate, others are looking for real solutions. And most won't decided until the last two weeks. Different kinds of ads are going to be needed.
And then there are the debates.
September 17, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
These are the people who "just don't trust" Obama, even though McCain lies to them on a daily basis.
September 17, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
And I'll guarantee you that probably 75% or more of them, when pressed, would say that they don't trust him because, "they think he'll give jobs/handouts to blacks". There's nothing in Obama's proposed policies or political record/history to suggest this, but they already assume that about Democrats. The fact that Obama is a Democrat AND black makes them almost certain that this will be priority #1 for an Obama administration. I've heard this, friends of mine have heard this. And I live in the very blue NYC metro area.
I have no idea exactly how to combat these misperceptions because they've been ingrained into peoples' minds by years of talk radio chatter, water cooler/coffee cart rants, and (mis)perceived injustices ("he only got the job because he's black, latino, etc.) And the people who believe this tend to be either low info voters or voters who get all of their "news" from talk radio and Lou Dobbs. In other words, people who will switch the station 3 seconds into Obama's ad on the economy. They should watch and listen, but they won't.
That said, I don't think Obama should avoid airing these types of ads. To Mr. Camus' point, Obama needs all different types of ads.
September 17, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
The question in my head, for those who people who believe Obama is going to be handing out jobs to the minorities, how many of them, when asked today would say they are undecided to a pollster, and how many would say they're for McCain, or leaning to McCain.
I think Obama needs to address this issue in subtle ways, but like you said, this racist stuff is pretty much ingrained.
So the other question is, how many of the undecideds are undecided for reasons other than those rooted in racism.
September 17, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think some of them still are undecided. These are the people who don't like McCain, who like a lot of what they see and hear from Obama, but still hold the "he'll give jobs to blacks" thought in the back of their mind. Unless, as you said, he does something to put these fears to rest, it's a question that will remain in their minds until they step into the voting booth. And if they're still unsure about the answer on 11/4, most of them will end up pulling the lever for McCain, the guy they think they know even though they don't really like him. Will there be enough of these people to make a difference in the results? In an election this close, perhaps...
An income/needs based v. race/gender based affirmative action proposal from Obama likely would have laid these fears to rest. But I'm not sure if we've reached a point in our country's history where we can make this shift. As we've seen in this election, racism and sexism are still strongly rooted in our culture, more so than any class-based discrimination.
As for the other undecideds, I think some of these folks are waiting to hear something from either candidate they want to hear but haven't heard yet. That "something" could be different from person to person. The rest are people who still have not paid much attention to the race.
September 17, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly? That is exactly where the Founding Fathers screwed the pooch, IMHO.
There was a lot of spirited debate, as to who exactly should get the vote in this new, experimental society. In the end, though, the people they picked to be disenfranchised turned out to be the wrong ones. There was the whole "land owner" thing; and, of course, we all know about African-Americans.
I have never, for the life of me, understood why, to become a citizen, you have to take a test to see how worthy your knowledge of our heritage is.
But to decide the very course of our nation, it's perfectly fine... "democratic", even... to be dumber than a fucking bucket of hair.
September 17, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am confidant that the debates will seal the deal for many undecidededs, and even some tentatively decideds in Obama's favor.
September 17, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's not as if McCain is new to the world of finance, regulation...and scandal. Now seems like a good time to review his own history, and specifically a story known as the Keating Five, of whom he was one, that emerged during a previous financial bust known as the S&L meltdown. Far from "taking on" the institutions, McCain's hand was outstretched...
September 17, 2008 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm...If you pay close attention to McCain's ad, he lays out no proposals or ideas for how he'll deal with the problem. Is it due to the fact that he doesn't know the difference between the SIPC and the SPIC?
Obama at least lays out several ideas for a plan to deal with what's going on.
September 17, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Details, schmetails. Who need proposal and solutions. He was a POW, don't you know?
September 17, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like this ad too, but it needs to be followed up by a shorter, punchier spot that displays JSM's multiple positions on the economy (deregulate...regulate! Economy strong...economy weak!) That would exploit the McLiar narrative as well as his complete lack of a coherent economic message. And for God's sake, PUSH the tax cut message. McCain again lies in his ad about taxes.
September 17, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
O can just point to the ad and say McCain has NO PLAN to fix this problem, which is showin in the ad as he just spouts out tough guy BS.
September 17, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can't be the only one who is struck by McCain's need to cast every issue as a fight between good and evil, even if the newly evil today were your best friends yesterday.
I find this to be very depressing. Wall Street types aren't evil, and greed isn't really the problem -- the problem is overreaching and the inability to self-police when self-interest is squarely opposed to it, at least in the short run. But this is true of all capitalist endeavors and that's why in the long run the capitalists can benefit from regulation as much as anyone else does.
The one thing you can say about Obama is that his response to the long-brewing crisis reinforces his existing message, whereas McCain all of a sudden has to find a "new" message to fit current events. It's hard for me to predict how voters will see this because I am way too jaded. To me, it seems opportunistic to one day be talking about lipstick and disrespect and the next, about fighting evil on Wall Street.
The important thing about the Obama ad is that it's not the only ad, but all the ads more or less reinforce the same message.
September 17, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone doubt that if he dares to seriously take on Wall Street, they'll put him in chains and lock him in a box?
September 17, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here are the three biggest things working against Obama - more than his race, more than his relative inexperience, more than and current event that works against him (eg - Georgia):
1) The media is in the tank for the Dems;
2) All politicians lie;
3) All politicians will say whatever they think voters want to hear.
These three things work against any Democratic candidate who tries to be honest with voters and treat them as intelligent, sentient beings. Picture this hypothetical conversation:
Me: "But all the news shows say McCain is lying!"
Undecided Voter: "The media wants Obama to win."
Me: "But look, here are the facts, unfiltered through the media."
UV: "So what, all politicians lie. Obama's probably lying as well."
Me: "OK, but McCain isn't really telling us what he's going to do to fix anything. Here's what Obama says he's going to do."
UV: "Who cares, he's just saying whatever he thinks people want to hear."
At this point, undecided voter, tossing aside all facts, logic and reason, then makes his decision based on McCain's military record and the fact that his running mate is hot.
September 17, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
That voter doesn't sound undecided, just uninformed. The Republicans have had that bloc locked up for years.
September 17, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know. My wife says all three of these things and she's been voting Dem most of her adult life. (she was brought up in a conservative household and voted against Clinton in '92 - she was 18 and hadn't "seen the light" yet) She also plans on voting for Obama this year. (although she only came to that decision recently - she was a big Hillary supporter and was going to stay home until the prospect of a McCain presidency became more and more frightening to her) She's far from uninformed. She'd also never vote for a Republican. But there are those people who are open to voting for a candidate from either party who think this way.
September 17, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
uh,,, we are just finishing up the SECOND term of another "cowboy" ...so Yeah, for sure , folks stil lguillible and etc..Remember Ronnie too...LOL, therein lies the problem with the current 2min ad with Obama...Yeah, makes for intelligent presentation for those that DO bother to stop , thinkponder,consider etc..but there are so very, very many who DON't bother and who do bother to vote. Hence, we gt psuedo cowboys who skinny on in due to "images" that are none too factual but tug the emotions of other wannabee's but can't so willing to give the sorts of Bush or McCain or Ronnie, the sorts they want to have over for a beer,bbq or etc that seem to be extrodinary sorts but like themselves trapped and time to send messages and prove ANYONE REALLY CAN ACHIEVE ,forgetting that just because CAN does not really mean best to ALLOW for many more pertinent reasons. Folks often fail to realize the consequences until it REALLY hits home and themselves and often far too late but even then for some , hope springs eternal and they likely would do the same again and again and again.
September 17, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama does need to put an attack ad together pointing out that McCain has been for deregulation his whole career and really tie Phil Gramm around his neck. There is footage from a debate where Ron Paul asks McCain a question about the economy and McCain says he'll surround himself with smart economic folks and the first name he rattles off is Phil Gramm.
He can't allow McCain to frame himself as some regulation attack dog like he's trying to do.
September 17, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Mental Recession and Fundamentally Strong Economy.
And forget McCain excuse about what he really meant by "fundamentally strong." Keep hammering away at it.
September 17, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Im pretty sure Obama campaign is working on that. They're probably going to wait for him to say a bunch of lies about how he's always been for regulation and then once the major news networks and papers report his real record, they destroy him with an ad.
September 17, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nicely put.
Even John McCain has admitted his shortcomings in this area, and is being advised by the guy who helped bring this all about. Who is he planning on confronting? We can only hope it himself.
September 17, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes! He's not a flip-flopper, he's just such a maverick that he's even taking on himself!
September 17, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am able to leap tall buildings at a single bound. Just because I say it doesn’t mean I can do it. Why doesn’t someone drill down and ask McCain how he intends to fight Wall St and Washington. Since he has been in Washington for over 25 years he will be smacking himself
September 17, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
New Virginia Poll from PPP
Obama 48 McCain 46
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Virginia_91735.pdf
If we hold all Kerry states plus Iowa(we're leading there by double digits) and Virginia, we win the Whitehouse.
September 17, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know Fiorina is in the doghouse, and we won't be seeing much of her anymore. Aw.
But Lady blah blah blah de Rothschild is the new Carly Fiorina.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/16/prominent-clinton-backer-and-dnc-member-to-endorse-mccain/
One vile elite replaces another.
September 17, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
How exactly did he take on tougher guys -
by bombing indiscriminately from 30,000 feet -
give me a freaking break
September 17, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
The toughest thing mcPOW has done was pry a little NookieTime out of his cadaver wife.
Other than that, he is a pushover. Never seen him stand up to anything. The guy has the WORST record of standing up for anything...even his own beloved Military or his own Bills.
September 17, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry to say this John but the POW mojo is all gone. You used it all up too early in the campaign and now that you need it it ain't there anymore. People don't are scared shitless about the economy and they don't understand how 5 years in a Vietnamese prison camp is going to help you save the economy. So let it rest already.
September 17, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
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September 17, 2008 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink