Election Central Morning Roundup
Polls: Obama Ahead In Ohio And Pennsylvania, Behind In Florida
In a sign that John McCain's convention bounce hasn't really changed the race in the key swing states, a new set of Quinnipiac polls shows Barack Obama ahead in the big swing states of Ohio and Pennsylvania, while McCain is ahead in Florida. The numbers: Obama is up 49%-44% in Ohio and 48%-45% in Pennsylvania, and McCain is ahead 50%-43% in Florida.
Obama And McCain To Meet Today To Commemorate 9/11
Barack Obama and John McCain will be putting politics aside for the most part today, with a joint appearance at Ground Zero in New York to commemorate the 9/11 attacks. Then at 8 p.m. ET tonight, they'll participate in a candidate's forum to discuss the subject of national service and how Americans can best serve their country.
Biden In Ohio, Palin Back In Alaska
Joe Biden is campaigning today in Parma, Ohio, where he'll hold a forum with first responders scheduled for 11 a.m. ET. Sarah Palin has arrived back home in Alaska, and is set to do the first of her scheduled interviews with ABC's Charlie Gibson.
Obama: Palin Is The Lipstick -- McCain's Policies Are The Pig
Barack Obama responded on the David Letterman show yesterday to the accusation that he called Sarah Palin a pig. "Technically, had I meant it this way she would be the lipstick, you see. The failed policies of John McCain would be the pig," Obama said to laughter from the audience. "Just following the logic of this illogical situation."
Palin's ABC Special To Be More Barbara Walters Style
Details have emerged on Sarah Palin's upcoming interview with ABC News, and it looks like it will be more of a celebrity interview than a serious political discussion. Palin will get her own prime-time special including a biography segment, interviews with Charlie Gibson in various Alaska settings, and a post-interview panel discussion.
McCain To Hold More Joints Events With Palin
John McCain is planning to have more and more of his rallies with Sarah Palin. Along with benefit of McCain hitching himself to Palin's newfound star-power, the Associated Press points out that this has another advantage: "McCain and Palin traveling together limits her exposure to reporters and gives McCain's top aides more control of her."















Stop it! We've got to get off the Palin crack! As long as we focus on Palin, Obama is drowned out and we can't focus on the issues.
It's clear that Palin supporters don't care that she's a liar so let it go and focus on dismantling McCain and his disastrous policies. This is a race between Obama and McCain. Remember?
September 11, 2008 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, take the focus off Palin/ She's more of a distraction than anything. But that doesn't mean she's allowed to snipe, snipe, snipe and lie, lie, lie.
1) Forcefully rebut any and all attacks from Palin. Make sure she is vetted. Call her out for "lying" and use the word.
2) And then pivot, and say, but enough about her, she's not the nominee. John McCain's the nominee. And attack HIM.
At the end of the day, people vote for President. and always have, and always will. Hell, you think the GOP really think this clown is qualified? They just think that McCain is healthy and won't die. (McCain probably too)
September 11, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree. Take her down, and the strong support from the Republican base can't be counted on, and McCain looks like a fool with horrible judgment in picking her, weakening his profile among the independent types still on the fence. Make her a laughingstock or a footnote, and Obama wins easily.
Haven't you noticed that McCain's huge crowds over the last few days evaporated the second Moosolini headed back to Alaska and he was on his own again?
September 11, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Democrats tried your strategy with Dan Quayle and Spiro Agnew. It didn't work because people don't vote for veep. Instead of going after Nixon and Bush I, they wasted valuable time trashing guys who didn't matter.
Palin doesn't matter! Sheez.
September 11, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Plus, besides "not voting for the veep", there's nothing that's going to change their minds. Rachel Maddow asked Pat Buchanan last night on her show what would change his mind about Sarah P. and he came right out (eventually) and said "nothing." Drop her, we won't win that fight.
September 11, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agnew and Quayle were not one tenth the (largely media-driven) phenomenon that this women is.
Without her energizing of the base, McCain's down by 7-10. She's the only thing positive about his campaign, and if we can destroy her (totally undeserved) reputation as the Wyatt Earp that cleaned up Anchorage, it's back to boring old McCain with his more wars, less jobs platform vs. the young exciting guy with all the new ideas.
There has never been a VP candidate that so totally eclipsed the top of the ticket that I'm aware of. Comparison to previous elections are not relevant here.
September 11, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
"McCain To Hold More Joints Events With Palin"
So you're saying that McBush is now agreeing with Palin that Marijuana should be legalized? LOL
September 11, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
From:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/6lbfdv
Wednesday, September 10, 2008
Palinism: Politics as The Content-Free Violation of Expectation
What is Palinism?
What is it about?
What policies?
What ideas?
What positions?
Even in the Lincoln-Douglas debates, while no doubt many were motivated by regional partisanship, local prejudices, and "the measure" of the candidate, one suspects that at least a rough rendering of the issues--secession vs. Union, free vs. enslaved--was carried in and animated the crowds.
Now, it is pure reaction to pattern. To one impulse expectation violated by the provocation of another impulse, that feels--good.
We have reached the content-free phase of American politics.
A form, an image--glasses, hair, a voice, what it suggests--is enough. She could be speaking the words to the airport timetable, the swearing-in speech of Ferdinand Marcos, the ingredients of a box of Sizzlean-- the image, the sound, and the gathering impulse, the bare stirring from dull lack of novelty--is sufficient to awaken the crowds to angry perturbence at...the stimulus to be perturbed, and the bare sense of actual directed action and purpose that comes with doing so.
Palin herself wears a glazed, slightly confused look in her eyes--what is it that has unleashed this roar, this approbation. Being used to herself, and having been among those who are well used to her, she is unaware of the novelty that her mere form releases in the dazed electorate, yearning for a pretext for expression. Soon, she'll believe it herself.
And, after all, isn't that what democracy is all about? The ability to choose to decide without knowledge? Better yet, to choose your knowledge, irrespective of fact, in correspondence with the liberating, confirmation-free impulse?
This is what today's moment stands for.
These are our satisfactions and securities in this golden age.
Cite:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/6lbfdv
September 11, 2008 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
God, ABC News makes me want to vomit. Peter Jennings wouldn't stand for this crap.
http://strategy08.wordpress.com
September 11, 2008 9:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Way to go, Chuckie.
September 11, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
At some point she will have to 'meet the press', I hope it happens in time . . .
September 11, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Governor Palin, if you could be a tree, what kind of tree would you be, and why?"
September 11, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Eric how does the Ohio poll just "reflect" what the race was before the conventions? If that poll was for Mccain you would have a headline splashed across the page with some Palin reference added in. Seriously dude you need at least try and be consistent. That Ohio poll is really bad, bad news for Mccain unless it is an outlier which it could be, however, considering this was taken during repubulican bounce and it is a state they cannot lose this is just a little bigger than this weak tea headline
September 11, 2008 9:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, the results from three weeks ago (released 8/26, midpoint 8/21) had Obama 44, McCain 43. I don't think it's much of an outlier, though.
September 11, 2008 9:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
These polls are all over the place. Every day we get these one offs. Yesterday I read that data suggests Palin is a flop in Florida and Ohio was looking good for McCain.
Today, exactly bassackwards.
I think the MSM hasn't made enough of the caveat that a bounce is just that, a bounce. And that post convention is a time of fluctuation.
September 11, 2008 9:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm psyched about these OH numbers.
Polls inherently have a lot of variability. You really need an aggregator, like pollster.com or 538, to make much sense of them.
I think the key to the structure of the race is that we have a lot of opportunities to hit 270: CO, OH, VA, FL (probably in about that order of probability). McCain has to defend them all.
September 11, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
We are going to win Ohio.
Book It!
September 11, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
In another note, if you are wondering if the Hadron Collider has destroyed the world yet . . .
September 11, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tony I agree but if this poll had shown any type of Mccain lead how much ya wanna wager Eric would have splashed a headline on it?
September 11, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another Obama response (or what he SHOULD say) regarding the "lipstick on a pig" heat he is getting:
"I certainly did not call Ms. Palin a pig. But I have to say that Alaska and Wassila sure acted like pigs at the federal trough under her leadership. Under Ms. PAlin's leadership, they hit up the rest of the country for many times their share of federal dollars via pork barrel spending and claims to earmarks.
The rest of us should outraged at how much of our hard earned tax dollars went into their pockets by way of Ms Palin's hired K-Street guns!"
September 11, 2008 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
The 9/11 cease-fire will kill the story on its own.
September 11, 2008 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not to mention Ike.
September 11, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, Where's the Pork?
September 11, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
"McCain To Hold More Joints Events With Palin"
As long as he doesn't inhale.
September 11, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
My question is: is she holding him up so he doesn't fall down, or is he holding her back because he's scared of her?
September 11, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's a good question. I actually suspect it's the second.
Imagine what would happen if her crowds were substantially larger than his. (And they almost certainly would be.) It would start a narrative that would not work to their favor . . .
September 11, 2008 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
O I think so too.
In fact, I am convinced that she's the biggest political mistake of all time because I think this has cooked McLame's goose with serious people all over the country.
I do.
Lincoln Chaffee convinced me. I think everyone who isn't James Dobson is utterly horrified at the idea of her taking over this country.
September 11, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I want some headlines given the Lincoln Chafee comments: he's not a Democrat, and not exactly a neophyte.
September 12, 2008 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the curious thing: McShame always needs someone with him. Before Palin, it was Lieberschmuck. By himself, he flounders. So what exactly is the deal with him?
September 11, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's a very good question. What is wrong with him? You're right, he cannot function alone. He blew his solo appearance yesterday -
September 11, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I do get the sense that he's a bit mentally unhinged and needs his security blankets to stay calm. Whether that's a function of age, temperament or some other factor, I don't know.
September 11, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
He's aging and declining fast. He may have been impulsive in the past, but the Palin pick was downright irresponsible (for this and other reasons). I don't think he's got both oars in the water anymore. Or maybe, given his wife, a beer or two short of a six-pack is a better metaphor.
September 11, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tena
McCain is going to do more events with Palin. He needs her to boost the crowd numbers because:
a) Having his stump greeted by the sound of crickets chirping doesn't make good audio.
b) She's his human shield.
September 11, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have been reading TPM ever since the conventions because it is the most comprehensive site when it comes to fact checking and exposing the McCain campaign's lies.
I've noticed that the comments by other readers are full of how they wished Obama would respond to McCain's swift boat style attacks--going so far as to write speeches or script commercials. Many of the TPM readers' dream responses seem to me more effective than Obama's responses have been.
On the Newshour last night, Obama advisor Melanine Barnes repeated Obama's response to the "Obama wants to teach sex ed to kindergarteners" ad by saying the bill is about protecting children from sexual predators and that the ad was preposterous, offensive, and untrue. The McCain advisor then assured viewers that the McCain ad was true, the bill is not about sexual predators, but is, in fact, about teaching comprehensive sex ed to five year olds. She also added that Obama's claim that McCain voted to abolish the department of Education is a blatant lie. The interview then moved onto another issue.
Which side won there? What is an undecided or uninformed voter to make of this "he said, she said" type of debate that does not move beyond one side calling the other side lairs, especially when the McCain campaign is on the offense and the Obama campaign is clearly playing defense? This, of course, is how McCain is planning on winning the election: distraction from the issues and from his and Bush's record.
I applaud the high road, issue-focused campaign that Obama is trying to run. But I think something is very wrong when so many posts from TPM contributors and readers do a better job than the Obama campaign of responding to the swift boating. The best posts do it by simply, concisely, and forcefully setting the record (both Obama's and McCain's) straight and effectively calling into question the integrity, judgment, honesty of McCain for resorting to ridiculous smear tactics and lies. The most brilliant ones do all of this without ever sounding angry--which may be what's holding Obama back. I am afraid that smarts alone are not going to win this election. Obama and his advisors saying "enough is enough" is NOT enough. I hope somebody in his campaign is reading TPM.
September 11, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, Ray! Wahddya say?
Very good comment. Please consider putting it up as a post on TPM Cafe (i.e., your blog). I'd be happy to give it a few recommendations.
Thanks!
September 11, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Special comment by Keith Olberman on 9/11! Courage to Speak Truth!
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/09/special-comment.html
Never again should a President you want to have a beer with be allowed to lie the American public into a False & Phony war and ignore the real war as George W. Bush was able too! National Security strength, I don't think so, after all 911 happened on the Republicans' watch, but they distorted that message too and you would think that Democrats are weak on national security! Politicans who lie to the public are engaged in a betrayal of the public trust and such distortion should be deemed unethical and in some cases, criminal!
And, it is an outrage or should be that the government can give millions of dollars to CEO’s from the failed Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac and yet, cannot give a second stimulus check to American citizens in these hard economic times?
Republicans say No to a second stimulus while the Democrats say Yes to a second stimulus!
Is the Republican Congress working for CEO’s or are they working for you, the people?
September 11, 2008 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
And now we now why McCain is campaigning like a deranged meth addict. Down in Ohio means game over
Pufferfish
September 11, 2008 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Really do need to let Palin go. It doesnt matter anymore Obama needs to focus on what does" the economy period and I believe that is exactly what he is doing. Palin will begin to fade it is the nature of things. When she does the election will come back to Obama v Mccain. Given Mccain's kneejerk decision making, temper and complete lack of knowledge on issues I am not biting my fingernails, hand wringing or focusing on the latest media darling. Palin isnt going to be there in the debates to hold his hand and if Mccain performs like he did during the beneath the radar repub primary debates aka sarcastic, angry and all over the shop on issues I doubt many of us will remember Palin in say Jan 09
September 11, 2008 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Arguing over whether or not one should talk about Sarah Palin is talking about Sarah Palin.
Just drop it- everyone has an opinion and nobody is in charge of telling the Obama campaign what to do and nobody is in charge of what we talk about, either.
September 11, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think jessran was saying we need to drop the Palin chat. It sounded like he was talking about people who are, uh, you know, actually listened to :-)
September 11, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone else see the...uh...irony in this command? Particularly since it comes from someone who is adamant about having the right to express herself on an opinion blog without censorship?
"Physician, heal..."
September 11, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Palin Scorecard: With the flood of information about an unknown candidate, it would be effective, I think, to have a web Palin Scorecard -- with bullets -- with at least two sorts of materials: character issues (like her lies) and policy issues (earmarks). This could be an ongoing venture that would catalogue, in one place, all the facts that make her an unacceptable VP. There must be somewhere a fair amount of op-search collected.
BTW "PalinScorecard" is an available domain.
September 11, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am not surprised. The McCain camp would never let their VP robot out to do a hard-hitting interview. Lets count the number tough questions, follow up questions and questions framed from the McCain/Palin narrative.
So far all we have seen is Slick Sarah doing what she does best which is reading off a teleprompter. The only words she has spoken so far have been words put into her mouth by someone else.
September 11, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nope: I think her "DUH?" response to the question about supporting the "Bush Doctrine"/jingoist's crime against humanity was entirely unscripted, and honest (though she did try to lie her way around it).
As for Palin as a "candidate" (who put "candid" in "candidate," anyway?): they want to DISTRACT with Palin? OK: go after BOTH at the same time: hang Palin AROUND McSenile's neck as evidence of totally screwy lack of judgment.
And it isn't that difficult to do that:
1. Those aren't earrings: she's up to her neck in earmarks! (I dodn't necessarily suggest that language.)
2. She doesn't know what "Bush Doctirne" is; and McSlime probably doesn't either.
3. -- I'm sure others can make it more direct and on point.
September 12, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't "take the focus" off her. Everybody's eyes are on her; let that work. No one can long survive the glaring scrutiny of CELEBRITY without becoming yesterday's news. Two months is a long, long time. The narrative will (indeed, has already begun to) shift. We've got a brilliant candidate running the best Dem campaign since 1964. Breathe.
September 11, 2008 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
You mean she's nothing but a lightweight empty-pantsuit[/skirt] CELEBRITY!?
I thought that was to be Obama's role.
Gee, I wonder what would happen if the Obama folk began referring to Palin as the latest media darling/CELEBRITY.
Or asking: What is she other than a CELEBRITY?
Or saying: Palin has no substance beyond that of CELEBRITY.
(And stop talking about how she is "attractive" or "good looking": NOT to THIS guy!)
September 12, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't "take the focus" off her. Everybody's eyes are on her; let that work. No one can long survive the glaring scrutiny of CELEBRITY without becoming yesterday's news. Two months is a long, long time. The narrative will (indeed, has already begun to) shift. We've got a brilliant candidate running the best Dem campaign since 1964. Breathe.
September 11, 2008 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's going to be a little difficult to keep the focus off Princess Palin when Mavericky McSame keeps hiding behind her skirt.
September 11, 2008 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here is my take: it's okay to focus on the CHOICE and REPRESENTATIONS of Palin as a reflection on McCain. So something like: McCain wants you to believe X, but in fact, Y. Hits both Palin and McCain at the same time.
September 11, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Palin is the one mobilizing the base and sucking off centrist women. She is McCain's surge and she needs to be knocked off her pedestal pronto. Her record, ethical lapses and he unwillingness to take questions from voters and the press are serious issues that voters need to learn about. Otherwise, she gets a free ride and McCain milks it just as he ahs for two weeks now. Besides, the more her image takes a hit, the worse John McCain's judgment looks and the less mavericky he will appear. We can't run from her.
September 11, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well for god's sake - you can't get Palin without voting for McLame and vice versa.
They're joined at the hip - it's one ticket. IF you attack Palin you are attacking McLame - that should be obvious.
September 11, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
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September 11, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are several diarists over at Daily Kos suggesting that it's time for a shake-up in the VP slot. No not Palin. Biden --- especially after his remark yesterday that Hillary would probably would have been a better VP candidate.
September 11, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Get serious.
If Biden were dumped from the ticket, Obama's campaign would be assailed for weeks and it would likely cost him the election.
What Biden said was gratuitous and harmless.
September 11, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, there's just a slight difference between being "dumped" and voluntarily resigning. But I think it's all semantics at this point.
September 11, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is STUPID -- complaining about SUBSTANCE --
All Biden did -- apparently it's too constructive and subtle for some -- was both compliment Hillary and be self-deprecating at the same time.
Apparently that's just too complicated for some to comprehend.
September 12, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
This woman who they are hiding and won't give the press access to very well could be president in FOUR months if McShame is elected in Nov and keels over before being sworn in. That is what scares the hell out of me. If she can't answer a simple question on her own, how is she possibly prepared to govern the whole country? Will Karl Rove be in charge of everything or just all of the K Street lobbyists?
September 11, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Like all elections, this will come down to the middle third of voters who aren't emotional invested long-term in either party.
Unfortunately these are the voters who pay less attention and can be conned by lies (which the Republicans know and utilize).
What's going to sway these voters against Palin isn't TrooperGate or Bridge to Nowhere flip-flopping. That requires tuning out the Republican noise while looking into the facts. That's more than many are willing to do -- they just want what the MSM spoon feeds them.
It's almost been forgotten, but the clip of Palin saying she didn't know what the Vice President does day to day has to be utilized. The Dems needs to build an ad campaign around this because they have her on camera admitting she is unprepared for the job.
It is a message so simple that low information undecideds can understand that she is unfit for the office. Show her not ready for the job, then ignore her. And hope the MSM finally connects the dots and ends its lover affair with the new kid on the block (and tires of being slighted access to her).
Then to take some of the luster the attraction of a woman VP (and get some of the Hillary supporters who are in that middle third back on the side of the Dems), Obama should promise he will appoint a woman as his first Supreme Court appointee. Pandering for the women's' vote? Yes, but no more than McCain picking Palin, and it's a nice do-over for Obama not picking Hillary.
After that ignore Palin and go after McCain, but not with a punch to the face. Don't think the Repugs aren't going dirty to bait Obama into doing the same, then crying disrespect to a war hero, lack of Patriotism, religious ambiguity, partisanship, ageism, sexism, racism, liberalism, dirty Washington politics, etc. It's a trap they're waiting on him to step into.
Instead of a direct hit equal to the sex education to little children -- something for the Repugs to rally around -- there has to be lots and lots of annoying jabs at McCain to make him famously blow his temper at the wrong time.
September 11, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Democracy is a verb!
volunteer!!!!
September 11, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, Tena. The question that remains is how many serious people are there around the country?
Past history suggests they aren't a majority. That's why to get elected the Democrat has to win not only the people who actual THINK and TRY TO LEARN STUFF about what's going on, but also a reasonable chunk of the non-thinking, non-reading, non-serious people.
That's one of the reasons politics in this country are so damn frustrating, appalling, and scary.
September 11, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
McGrandpa is a big zero with Palin. Diminish her influence by any means available. Just good politics in Amerika.
September 11, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh!? --
MO-GOV
Sep 12 Rasmussen
Nixon 54% (D), Hulshof 39% (R)
Nixon's been dug up and revived, and all we can talk about is Monty Python's cross-dressing PALIN!?
September 12, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh!? --
MO-GOV
Sep 12 Rasmussen
Nixon 54% (D), Hulshof 39% (R)
Nixon's been dug up and revived, and all we can talk about is Monty Python's cross-dressing PALIN!?
September 12, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink