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Despite "Suspension" Of Campaign, Two McCain Advisers Attacked Obama Today

McCain's suspension of his campaign apparently doesn't apply to his own advisers.

Despite McCain's claim that he's put his campaign on hold, two of them directly attacked Barack Obama in political terms on television this morning.

On Fox about an hour ago, McCain adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer was asked about Obama's suggestion that the bailout deal appeared to be adopting some of his suggestions.

"We don't want to focus too much on that right now because we want there to be a resolution," Pfotenhauer said, a bit later adding:

"But this is maybe perhaps part of the pattern that we've seen before where Senator Obama would claim that the housing bill came out of his committe--and he didn't even sit on the committee. or that the stimulus package was his package and even his democratic leader said that it wasn't."

So McCain's adviser accuses Obama of falsely taking credit for stuff. Does that count as running a campaign?

Meanwhile, a few minutes ago on Fox, McCain spokesperson Tucker Bounds was asked whether there would be a debate on Friday.

"Certainly, John McCain is eager to debate Barack Obama on these important issues, because he has a record of actually performing on the issues that are going to be debated," Bounds said. "And additionally he's called on Barack Obama time after time to meet him anytime, anywhere, in joint town hall meetings. So the idea that there's a debate about the debates, I just think, is absurd."

So this McCain adviser said Obama doesn't have any record of performing on the issues and is too chicken to face McCain in town hall meetings. Does that count as running a campaign?

Calling out the campaign-suspension fib is kind of useless at a certain point, of course, since the original claim is inherently so ridiculous and borderline meaningless anyway. The suspension itself is a political act, after all.

McCain's eventual position on the bailout will be political, too -- and there's nothing wrong with that. Politics is all about arguing about stuff and deciding what to do about it. The idea that there's some kind of clear line between politics and policy or leadership is a bit of a silly construct to begin with, McCain's phony piety notwithstanding.

Late Update: Here's the video of Pfotenhauer on Fox:


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Suspending a campaign means campaign ads shouldn't be taken down, still doing an interview with a network news anchor, having your vice president hold a rally, giving a campaign speech at Clinton's big event and having surrogates use talking points that your campaign put out. Yup, no campaign here. Move along folks. Nothing to see.

Pufferfish

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Suspension means - RED CARDS should be issued! to the mcShame twins!

Question: Will the average voter see through this lame-ass rouse?

Just askin'...

http://thepajamapundit.com/

When will the media, aside from Letterman and Stewart, see through this?

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greg, did you send an email to the mccain camp asking for an explanation to this apparent non-suspension?

it'd be interesting to see what they have to say about it.

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McLame's ads were running in New Mexico last night, just like they have been all along.

Saw a new McCake ad on Denver TV this morning about Chicago henchmen. The POW is having trouble with his suspenders.

Yeah, two ads have already played in my "market" today.. one was an ad about Obama's "criminal connections" in Chicago... the second, tries to blame an Obama adviser for the Fannie/Freddie fiasco.

If they knew that a deal was close to be reached (which they probably did), they probably figured they could call a cessation, and then claim that it takes time to get all the ads to stop running. By the time they do get the ads to stop running, the deal is effectively reached and they can go back to campaigning. In their scheme they get to eat their Bi-Partisan Leader cake and have it, too. To bad it didn't work out that way.

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They're claiming that it "takes time" to get all those ads down, from all those markets.

My question: did the McCain campaign already pay for the ads?

And if they stop running, will the campaign get a refund?

I'm wondering if we're seeing potential financial difficulties at play here.

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I think that is part of it - money. They really have to be in trouble because they have sent some (I said $300 yesterday - way too low) $500-1000 an hour lawyers up to Alaska to stop that investigation.


Bounds line, "so the idea that there's a debate about the debates, I just think, is absurd," sounds like their trying to ease McCain back into the debate. Of course, their tactic is "what? talk about not having a debate? there was never any such thing."

I'm shocked! Absolutely shocked that McCain wouldn't honor is word. He is a POW for G-dsake.

The Huffington Post is reporting that a source in BO campaign says if McCain doesnt show up, the debate will turn into a town hall meeting, a one on one interview with Jim Leher or a combination of both.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/25/obama-will-make-debate-a_n_129250.html

Fuck yeah.

That's why I really hope an agreement doesn't come tomorrow. Don't give McCain the out.

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hee hee hee - I think perhaps Pelosi and Reid are aware.

;)

guess we'll see.

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♪ What a wonderful sight that would be. ♪

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I worked at Ole Miss several years ago.

The sight of the first African American candidate for President conducting a town hall style meeting on that campus would just about send chills down my spine.

I wish I was in Oxford right now. The place is probably nuttier than it is for home football games, and that's saying something.

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O my god yes.

I wish Eudora Welty was still alive for this. I think she'd love it.

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Oh, certainly.

Progress is slow in Mississippi, but I have to give Chancellor Khayat a good deal of credit. He managed to outwit the Confederate flag wavers, receiving death threats as a result, while I was there. It was really clever. First the coaches of the football and basketball teams cowrote an editorial for the (outstanding) student newspaper asking fans to stop waving the flag because it hurt recruiting (yeah, there are other reasons, but they knew how to get to Mississippians). Then the student government passed a resolution urging students not to wave the flag. Then, within 24 hours of that, the university announced that sticks would no longer be allowed inside any of the sports arenas.

Sticks? They banned sticks, you say?

Tough to wave a flag without a stick.

The Chancellor had to have security for several years after that because of the death threats he received.

The faculty felt the university wasn't taking a strong enough stance. I disagree. Change sometimes takes little baby steps. And this was one of those times.

Sorry for blathering.

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O no apologies! I love OT blathering like that - that's what makes these conversations worth it - we can't bitch about the Repugs constantly without getting sick of the whole thing. LOL

I understand about that slow progress, but there has been progress - loads of it. And it has been tough but we're gonna get dragged into the 21st century like it or not.

I love it, personally. Everyone who doesn't - well, too bad.

McCain has to show up regardless if a bill is completed or not. Its just bad strategy to give your opponent an 1 hr and 30 minutes of free air time to an audience of 60-70 million people.

his move has backfire written all over it.

Of course it is going to backfire.

I'd just like McCain not to be able to saunter in saying "It's done. Now I can debate" or even, "It's close to done..."

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...about 20 minutes late...and ask Obama if he'd like an update on the sittuation in Washington...that would be priceless...

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I don't think that would be wise on Sen. McCain's part.
"Thanks John, I just got off a video-conference with Senator Reid and Speaker Pelosi, so I'm up to speed. They did want me to let you know there will be an Armed Services Committee meeting tomorrow that, as Ranking Member, you really should attend."

Yep, and he could spend the first few minutes explaining why it was important to go ahead with the debate.

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I could not love this more! O my god, this is perfect.

O thank you little baby jebus, thank you!


McLame has blown himself and his campaign to smithereens - I'm still breathless - I never imagined someone running for prez could make such stupid, rash decisions -

Right on. McCain will have to be there (all jet lagged).

Obama answering all of the debate questions would be brilliant. And once they ran out of questions, open the floor for a town hall.

Of course there is no way McCain isn't showing up.

I refer back to the line from Tucker I posted upthread, "So the idea that there's a debate about the debates, I just think, is absurd." McCain is going to be there.

Wouldn't it be great if Obama opens the debate by thanking everyone, including John McCain, for attending?

That might cause McCain to blow a gasket within the first 30 seconds!

In one way or another, this Friday night everybody will see the Barackarate master in action.

McCain & Co. is the gift that keeps on giving. This is only going to increase Obama's momentum.

Opponent will not fight Barackarate Master! So Barackarate Master! will serve him a bowl of public shame!

So, the alleged campaign suspension was just a campaign tactic.

(WARNING: Worn sports metaphor follows.)

McCain didn't throw a Hail Mary. McCain was gonna throw the Hail Mary on fourth-and-long, but scrambled around and was sacked in his own end zone for the safety.

On further review, McCain might have fumbled in the end zone and Obama recovered for the touchdown.

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Ok, I'm LMAO at you for mixing up your football metaphor - you guys love em and still can't em straight.

(I hope you know I'm teasing you in the most affectionate way - not snarkily -)

I'm so mixed up on this stuff, I could probably be an NFL official.

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O that's perfect. LOL!

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Ed Hockuli?

Someone at Election Central just dissed you, dude.

I would have to stand in a loooong line to diss Ed Hochuli.

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You sure would.

But hey, I give the guy credit: he had the guts at least to admit his mistake on national TV.

He must not be a Republican then.

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Just one more lie. Lie upon lie. LIARS!

Question: I often see that readers are writing to Josh, but how does one find his e-mail address?

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talk@talkingpointsmemo.com

we all see mail sent there

Thanks.

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Poor Josh - I bet he gets slammed - he must get 3000 emails a day.

And I bet you get way too many, too, Greg.

Upper left corner of this page is a link "Send Comments and News Tips"

The other left corner...on the right.

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Ambinder is reporting that the campaigns were told a week ago that part of the debate would focus on the economy.

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He suspended it before not suspending it.

(I really can't take credit for that - I saw it on another site, written by df1. It's perfect.)

Camp McGoo lied again? Big shocker there.

Start doing some debate prep, McGoo. It's on.

And I just want to note something that has bugged me about this campaign. Every, and I mean every, question about McCain's positions, policies and campaign tactic are used as an excuse to trash Obama ("Q: But what about the fact the John McCain has been a deregulator his entire career? A: Barack Obama wants to use the electrical cord of regulation to strangle the baby of economic growth in its crib.")

It almost makes on think that John McCain doesn't have any policies of his own that he wishes to stand behind.

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Their campaign in a nutshell: Lie. Cry (wolf). (and sequester sarah)

It's like the house; He has five legislative days to revise and extend his remarks.

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I hardly matters now what McLame does on Friday - he's totally damned if he does and damned if he doesn't and I'll be damned if he didn't do this to himself.

Twice now - you cannot tell me that he does not regret his other big snap decision - Palin. O he regrets that - otherwise he wouldn't be holding her in an undisclosed location.

Im sure he's regretting running for president. The longer this election goes on the more McCain exposes himself as a clown.

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You know what - I think you're right. He does regret running now - I'd bet anything he'd love to just drop out for real -

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He said in his own book that his reason for wanting to be President was ambition, not because he had any great mission.

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Which one? The Audacity of Hope, or Dreams of My Father?

why isn't obama responding to this?? the longer they wait to question these tactics hard...ya da ya da

McCain is being lionized on conservative media and there is no voice from the other side.

Hit this guy and the criminal who spoke last night. NO respect!

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Ok, now I'm wondering what stuff is gonna be turned up that discredits these surrogates? Dirt of some type is bound to show up!

Funny enough, McWar apparently can not read. He never read the 2 pages proposal...

This is more than embarrassing, how can a potential candidate to the presidency not read a 2 pages proposal on such a crisis
Any takers?

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Because he wouldn't understand it anyway. Could be two or two hundred pages but without pictures, McCain would be totally lost.

Wow. Not only does John McCain hope that voters are stupid, I think he really believes it. Why wouldn't the average voter see an interview like this and not say to him or herself, "Hey, wasn't McCain going to suspend his campaign? What happened to that?"

Why wouldn't voters all over America ask themselves that question? And why wouldn't it occur to John McCain that they might? Because he thinks they're stupid. Hey, America, want to vote for someone who thinks you're dumber than a rock?

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Geez. This is the same stunt McCain pulled in April 1999. It's a headline grab to get his bad polling numbers down-page. It worked in 1999, but I don't think it's working this time.

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It hardly matters now...

Have you ever seen a tighter set of facial muscles on a gal? Watch the video closely. I kept expecting her to start spitting out molar fragments.

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Who are talking about?

Has to be Palin. McCrypt-Keeper is such a mass of tics and involuntary gestures now that singling out just one would be bloody impossible.

I think it would be great without MCCain at the debate.

We could have a nationally televised "State of the Union" address by Barack Obama.

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Yup!

:)

McCain was clearly 'grandstanding' and I think huffposts idea that he wanted a 'time out' was correct. I think the blustering fool really wanted 'time out' from his campaign because he's getting worn out. The debates must go on and if McCain doesn't want to show up Friday as a matter of principle, I can respect that and Senator Obama can have one free hour of prime time to answer voters questions and I'm fine with that. Same for Senator Biden. If Palin is 'not ready' to debate him, my guess being that is just more evidence of her 'not being ready'.

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The thought of a pilot (of a campaign) with inoperable landing gear, low on fuel, circling an aircraft carrier before an attempt to crash land, came to mind.

Can his superiors get a safety net rigged in time to save his landing aboard the ship or will the Maverick bail out on his own?

I certain, cough cough, that his decision will be based on what is best for the country.

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Well I certainly hope they take time to think things through - very carefully. Perhaps consult as well.

It's going to be a great debate even with McCain there. I expect him to be in full "hell hath no fury" mode, pointing that crooked index finger, gripping the microphone like Bob Dole's ballpoint pen, his entire body language radiating rage.

Meanwhile, at the other podium, Obama will be cool and collected, taking the occasional note, suppressing the urge to shoot McCain an "are you done yet?" look.

It's going to be a massacre. As I've said before, this is when the poll movement becomes permanent.

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And we've still got a day and a half here for stuff to happen... that really riles mcAnger to a boil!

That's the best part in all of this: McCain is screwed whether he shows up or not. If he sticks to his word and is a no-show, Obama will have the stage to himself for 90 minutes; if he does show, he's going to be on that stage humiliated and fuming inside. The odds of him blowing his top just went up exponentially!

Is that Michigan poll correct?? 48% vs 38%??

That's a pretty huge jump. Don't recognize the pollster.

Small sample (406) with a huge margin of error (4.9%).

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This firm has produced polls that show Obama up by 1 (two weeks ago), up by 2 (August), and so on, so this kind of movement is out of character with past results.

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Somehow I missed this: Fox has bush at 26% approval. Just out today?

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Maybe his speech sent his numbers up temporarily.

to a whopping 26% approval! LOL!

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That really scares me. To think that there are still 26% of the population that agree with this President is beyond my comprehension.

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Dude, if you want to be scared of that fraction of the population which is below average, you're going to have trouble ever walking out your front door.

What that 26% means is that 84% of us are normal.


Alas, 26 + 84 = 110

From:

Head of State

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-and-bushs-kabuki-theatre-mccain.html

Thursday, September 25, 2008

McCain and Bush's Kabuki Theatre: McCain Contacts Bush To Set Up Meeting To Prop Up His "Suspension"

Now we know why McCain hired the Bush contingent.

It emerged in the White House briefing today that McCain called Bush and asked him to initiate a meeting today at 4 pm at the White House, putatively for him to "deal with" the crisis.

That is, McCain asked Bush to help him create an avoidant trifecta: To try ti\o lend some credence to McCain's desperate assertion that a suspension of his campaign is necessary, in effect avoiding a debate in which he would face critical questions about his stance on the economy; attempting to co opt the financial crisis thereby trying to put an end to his plummeting in the polls created by his flailing positions on the economy--perhaps best reflected by his statement days ago that the "fundamentals of the economy are strong"; and, while avoiding his own debate, also buying more time for Sarah Palin after her embarrassing photo op at the UN yesterday, by moving her debate forward as well.

Here's how it happened, according to Q and A at the WHB:

McCain emailed Bush asking for the 4 P.M. meeting. Now, one reasonably might ask, why is today such a necessity for McCain, if his interest is solely the national good?

Because it is before the debate. McCain hopes to stage a meeting at the White House, thereby, with Bush's cooperation, lending plausibility to his claim to need to suspend his campaign. Then, if Republicans, in their own electoral interest, can be persuaded to come to agreement after the meeting, and before the debate, he would claim--in an act of utter stage management--to have "resolved" the crisis. Thereby hoping to take the heat off on his past careening stances and sliding polls and staunch the bleeding on the polls--before the debate.

This is Kabuki Theatre masquerading as substance--no different than what we saw at the U.N. yesterday.

It is utterly stage managed, utterly cynical, and utterly unrelated to the substantive deliberation necessary to actually resolve these matters on the merits and for our nation's future, rather than for short-term and desperate political advantage.

These occurrences are equally important for what they indicate about McCain's governing style as they are for their impact upon democratic process: impulsive acts that rely on drama and theatrical posture rather than substantive reasoning and long-term deliberation; a strong willingness to sacrifice substantive reasoning, deliberative process, and even prior structures and agreements to immediate political need; an attempt to reach outcomes through last minute stage management rather than substantive argument.

These should create deep concern for anyone who wishes for a change in governmental process from the past eight years.

We have an economy, rather than a campaign, to rescue. Putting nation before politics means putting all attempts to resolve it before political attempts to co opt it--and to move towards one's commitments, rather than towards a more immediate and short-term salvation.

Cite:

Head of State

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-and-bushs-kabuki-theatre-mccain.html

will this ever end? does anyone a) read this or b) ever been to the head of state?

maybe, no and no.

gallup tied!

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What's up with that?! With party breakdown of Dem+9 and it's tied? Something's not right. This feels like a 4-8 point race and even Rass, which only has Dems at +5-6 has Obama up 3 and surging?. What gives?

Probably one outlier day for McCain somewhere in there. I bet it will bounce back to +2 tomorrow.

Little trivia tidbit: Pfotenhauer translates as "paw smacker." :o)

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Hilarious!

Thanks for the tidbit...

Nancy Paw Smacker.

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O that's sublime.

Pfotenhauer v. - A bodily excretion of gas each hour.

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I wonder what's happened to mcsame fundraising the last week and a half, and if that plays into the "suspension" in any way

Yes, something not right with Gallup. Obama is up by 3 in Rasmussen. I am sure that they are trying to show that despite all of what has happened it is a dead heat race...

This is fine, we can not be complacent...

So far all polls are going to one direction, Obama...


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As lame and unbelievable as this is, McCain has managed to steal the media spotlight for himself for a few more hours.
Schmidt must believe that there's no such thing as bad publicity, just publicity. He'll be wrong.
McCain, supposedly the paragon of courage who never backs down, is afraid of having his ass handed to him in the debate and this stunt is to allow Palin to skip having her ass handed to her at the VP debate as well.
The money angle may be another reason why McCain ispulling these ridiculous stunts. He's falling farther behind in the polls, he's limited to his government handout, so he's trying anything he can to get attention without spending any money.
Completely un-presidential.

"Government handout" is of course a euphemism. His campaign is being paid for by you and me.

and this crisis is over. thanks john mccain...

And since I'm not sure where to vent, let me here. What the f*** with Bill Clinton keeps kissing McCain's as$? He pisses me off. He really, really does.

Its a soft sell.

By making himself look like a statesman - it makes the attack work better. It makes "John McCain is my friend" really come across as "John McCain is my friend."

That way, when he continues with "He cannot be President," it really comes across as "He is my friend - I know him - but he cannot be President."

Without setting this up - he just seems like a angry partisan who wishes he was still President.

Watch when he starts campaigning - he will attack him. He will go right after him. And it will work.

Palin's church has nothing on the Religion of Clinton for blind faith.

I'm willing to lay money or honor on this :)

When Clinton starts unloading on McCain next week - I win. If he continues with his current behavior - you win.

What should we bet?

Am I the only one who finds this Pfotenhauer lady incredibly annoying? Going back to when Palin was picked and her lame arguments in support of the pick, not to mention all her other t.v. appearances, it about pushed me over the edge when she was on msnbc last night talking about how bold and mavericky McCain was to suspend his campaign while at the same time she--a campaign spokesperson--was out campaigning for McCain.
Another woman from McLame camp was on this morning on Scarborough, campaigning in support of McLame's decision to suspend campaigning.

Geez, I know that it's hard to like someone when their job is to constantly spin for someone you oppose--but it seems that I see these women on waaay more than any Obama spokespeople, and their spinning is so ridiculous because they obviously don't have much to work with. Just can't wait until we can tell Pfotenhauer to pf--- off.

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I find the extensive plastic surgery she's had annoying.

And man, did anyone else see the First Lady in vid saying Palin wasn't qualified? I think they coat her face with something that ends up being a mask in everything but name. They must fill her lines in with straight silicone caulking. She looks fucking weird.

And she looks meaner than cat shit, too!

I was gonna say something about her appearance, but didn't want to appear sexist or whatever. It does look like she's had work done, and is starving herself on top of that.
I expect her to be hired by Foxnews the day after the election...

Just tell her to Fart off.

Totally. This Pxnshsdlhouerfhour chick is just odd to look at. Like that Jocelyn cat lady.

Pfotenhauer said something to the effect that

"I'm glad Obama has those principals (e.g. independent oversight, compensation restrictions), but obviously McCain was the one out front."

Forgive me if somebody already mentioned this, but that's a lie. Obama laid out his Statement of Principals on Monday, and McCain came out a couple of days later with a nearly identical set of principles.

It goes without saying, but I can't help myself. These people are shameless.

My god, it's like the only strategy they have left is to just lie about everything and hope that enough people are too confused to figure it out.

Wait. There's more.

On Monday, after Obama gave a speech laying out his principles (actually released to the press on Sunday), McCain adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer said this:

"[Obama] reiterates six principles that are the policy equivalent of puppies, kittens and sunshine. He emphasizes things that everyone agrees on...hides behind the safety of things that are non-controversial."

On Tuesday, McCain releases his own identical principles. So today, just three days after her "puppies, kittens and sunshine" quote, Pfotenhauer claims that McCain was "out front".

Wow.

Smack her with your paw!

Do you think McCain EVER intended to suspend the campaign?

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And she keeps lying about Davis, that he has nothing to do with Fannie Mae. A pretty icky lady. her name is not memorable, thank goodness.

I wonder how much of this campaign "suspension" results simply from McCain yearning for some rest from the rigors of campaigning?

Duh. Suspending a campaign just means "please focus on something else other than the fact that I have absolutlely no qualifications to talk about the economy...oh and don't talk about my Freddie lobbyist campaign manager. Look over there. It's a black man stealing the economy!"


It's got to be painful for Pfotenosejob to keep up the Pinocchio act every day.

From a minute fart to a Phartenhour

Where is the intrade betting on how soon the McCain campaign is "unsuspended"?

I never thought I would miss Ron Paul so much: http://tinyurl.com/4jbkb8

huh, and all this time I thought Pfotenhauer translated to 'Weyrich's Bitchpig' -

a real piece of work this woman. Coming from the Independent Womens Forum, she was tapped by Ashcroft to Chair Commission on Violence Against Women - and spent her entire tenure fighting enforcement of Clinton sponsored Anti Domestic Violence legist - ya know, the one that reduced Domestic Violence by almost 30% it's first 2 years -

“You have to look at domestic violence as a culture of intimacy,” she said, rather than a “one-size-fits-all, men-beat-up-women” framework.

really Nancy ?

ps - y'all know her husband is a lobbyist for the Mortgage Industry, right ?

link to my Pfotenhauer quote above

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0905-06.htm

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