CNN Poll Of Polls: Race Extremely Tight In Key Battlegrounds
CNN tallies up the averages of some recent swing state polls:
Florida poll of polls (consists of 5 recent surveys):McCain: 46 percent
Obama: 46 percent
Unsure: 8 percentMichigan poll of polls (consists of five recent surveys):
Obama: 48 percent
McCain: 44 percent
Unsure: 8 percentMinnesota poll of polls (consists of three recent surveys)
Obama 47 percent
McCain 46 percent
Unsure 7 percentWisconsin poll of polls (consists of four recent surveys)
Obama: 49 percent
McCain 45 percent
Unsure 6 percentColorado poll for Quinnipiac/Wall Street Journal/Washington Post
Obama: 49 percent
McCain: 45 percent
Unsure: 6 percent
The two surprises here are the tie in Florida, where McCain had held a respectable lead for weeks if not months, and the virtual dead heat in Minnesota, where Obama has consistently led in recent surveys.















"You have to earn the presidency, it shouldn't be a cakewalk."
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September 23, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm loving the Colorado numbers.
I'm really not worried at all about Wisconsin, Michigan or Minnesota.
And Florida is a pleasant surprise.
September 23, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah - it looks good.
for a poll. ;)
September 23, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
True. I generally don't put too much weight in polls. But I give some credence to polls of polls.
September 23, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I give some credence to polls as indicators of trends. Obama has trended steadily even or better, with only a few set-backs, that really didn't set him back so much as some things just generated an uptick for McLame out of sheer newness. Like Palin. Obama didn't really lose ground - Palin just spiked interest temporarily.
I cannot wait until she is totally obscure again and she will be soon enough. LOL!
September 23, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, Obama seems to be clinging to his slight lead.
September 23, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
While I try to avoid getting sucked into the daily ups and downs of the polls, I'm liking what I see. Obama is going to just keep bringing the noise while McLame continues to sputter. This just makes me want to contribute more money, time and energy into this campaign.
September 23, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just don't believe that MN is actually that close. I'm not going on faith, I just think with the tight Senate race that Obama is probably doing better than the recent polls suggest.
September 23, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
MN's actually had really, really weird polling trends this entire cycle. Prior to the conventions, half the polls had Obama leading by double digits, the other half by low single digits. There's also the same dual trend in the Senate race (either Coleman is way ahead or they're tied).
Rasmussen's generally been the most favorable to Obama (in MN) and Franken, SUSA the least.
September 23, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I realize that just reporting the polls is easy, but do you seriously think they are as significant as this site's focus on them would imply?
September 23, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like i said before, Obama has a better shot at Florida than Ohio. Ohio is too blue collar to go blue. I'll put my money in Florida than Ohio.
I am sending the campaign another $50 just for Florida alone.
September 23, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. The other thing is that Palin turned off a lot of voters in Florida (a lot of older and Jewish voters just plain dislike her), but she turned on a lot of voters in Ohio, like the far-right evangelical fundamentalists that shot Bush to victory in '04.
Obama should definitely focus his energy more on FL than OH. The reward is greater as well. And if Obama ends up tipping Florida blue, McCain's chances of winning drop to practically nothing, even IF he gets OH as a result.
September 23, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
If McCain loses either OH or FL, his chances of winning become zero.
September 23, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, and Florida is a good example of why we shouldn't Chicken Little about the Republicans making hay out of opposing a banking bailout.
How many retired people do you think want to see the nesteggs vanish because Dick Shelby is afraid of socialism?
September 23, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is only a glimpse of what's coming. The work must continue.
Florida and Colorado could be the ones that seal the deal for Obama (along with Virginia). Michigan are Wisconsin are consolidating and Minnesota will end up blue. The only concern probably is the tightening in Pennsylvania and, of course, that enigma that is Ohio.
Thank god that Iowa and New Mexico are almost signed, sealed and delivered. North Carolina could be the real surprise here.
September 23, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think New Mexico as about as sure a thing as there can be.
I cannot imagine Obama not carrying New Mexico.
September 23, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
To be honest, I don't think anyone honestly thinks NM isn't at least leaning Obama. Well, except maybe Dick Morris, but then again he's never really had much of a good relationship with reality.
September 23, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
New Mexico is solid blue. So is Iowa. Obama only needs to keep the Kerry states plus NM and IA plus one more and it's over. The great news is that he has many options to do so.
September 23, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
NC is close enough that McCain camp had to suddenly bring in reinforcements and open field offices last week.
September 23, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was once a Hillary Supporter.....
I haven't made up my mine as to who i am going to vote for.....
anyways,.....
The race looks like it could be close in Maine & New Hampshire too.
Right know it appears that Obama is going to win but John McCain however does have a slight chance.... we will truly know better after all the debates are over.
September 23, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
a) Maine is not close at all.
b) The debates have not changed the race that much, historically. There have been a few times where they have had a major impact, but if McCain actually does well at this next debate, it will only tie things up, if even that.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/debates-may-not-be-decisive-after-all.html
September 23, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with you about the debates.
I think people put way more into them than they historically have produced.
September 23, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting read. Of course the debate does matter if one of the candidates just totally blows it. Probably a bit more than if they messed up royally in the day-to-day.
September 23, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
a) Maine is not close at all.
b) The debates have not changed the race that much, historically. There have been a few times where they have had a major impact, but if McCain actually does well at this next debate, it will only tie things up, if even that.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/debates-may-not-be-decisive-after-all.html
September 23, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Better go get HRC before it's too late.
September 23, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
What do you mean "go get"? We already have Sen Clinton. She is working Ohio for us as we speak. Sen Clinton is on board, it is the rest of you that we have to "go get."
September 23, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, who has not held a press conference in nearly four weeks of campaigning, on Tuesday banned reporters from her first meetings with world leaders, allowing access only to photographers and a television crew.
CNN, which was providing the television coverage for news organizations, decided to pull its TV crew, effectively denying Palin the high visibility she had sought. ...
The campaign told the TV producer, print and wire reporters in the press pool that follows the Alaska governor that they would not be admitted with the photographers and camera crew taken in to photograph the meetings. At least two news organizations, including The Associated Press, objected and were told that the decision was not subject to discussion.
Bravo, CNN. It's about fucking time.
September 23, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
The MSM has broken up with Sarah. They had enough. That crush was not meant lo last. What's coming for Hockey mom is not going to be pretty.
September 23, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word is now that the McCain folded and are letting in at least one print reporter, as well as the producer for the camera crew.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/23/media-rebellion-over-palin-photo-ops/?apage=3#comments
September 23, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I've heard that too. This whole debacle with Palin and the press makes the McCain camp out to be a bunch of cowards.
September 23, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I eagerly await the message out of the McCain camp that the mean-ol-"librul" MSM is so obviously in the bag for Obama.
That's the thing with the Repubs and their manufactured war on the MSM; they get to have it both ways. Positive press is them accepting the "facts" and negative press is just further proof of their "bias". Talk about getting your cake and eating it too.
September 23, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Counter Coulter, your comment could not be more accurate. That's exactly what they are doing and have been doing for years.
Unfortunately, the comment applies equally to the inveterate press-bashers on this site, from the lowliest occasional blogger to Josh Marshall himself.
September 23, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "television crew" that was allowed in was almost certainly there for one purpose only: shoot footage for McSame/Barbie campaign ads.
September 23, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
OT: Palin banned reporters from her Big Photo Op, and CNN and AP pushed back.
Has the McCain campaign completely forgotten the basic tenets of public relations, for cryin' out loud?
September 23, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
These numbers may be why McCain is holding his first press conference since since August 13.
September 23, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hopefully he doesn't use that green backdrop again.
September 23, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
When and where is it?
September 23, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
When and where is it?
September 23, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080923/D93CC8A80.html
September 23, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those polls are funny. I have seen recent polls suggesting that Obama is consolidating Clinton voters and I have seen data suggesting that he is not. Obviously the latter data are worrisome. Only time will tell which set of data are the more reliable.
September 23, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know that fogu2 is a long-term troll here, but his racist avatar disgusts me and I think that's the only thing that needs to be pointed out in responding to him.
Racists don't want Obama to win because of the color of his skin. They are weak-minded people, and who gives a shit about what they think?
September 23, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll join you in this. I think that whatever else can be said of fogu, fogu is a small-minded racist.
September 23, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aww. You hurt my feelings.
September 23, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
No. In this election it is the racists that do want Obama to win. The black vote is the singularly most race based voting group in this election.
Blacks = racists.
September 23, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Troll de la jizz
September 23, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it just fatigue, loss of interest or loss of support?
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1178184,obamarally092208.article
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September 23, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
You keep cherry picking.
Did you bother to read the entire piece?
No.
But hey, can we talk about the 3500 that showed up to see McCain, when he was alone, in a venue that seated 16,000?
Hmmm?
September 23, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excuses are not reasons.
September 23, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Change the avatar. It's fucking offensive.
That you need someone to tell you it's offensive says a lot about you, fogu.
September 23, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Latest PPP Colorado Poll
Obama 51 McCain 44
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2008/09/colorado-poll.html
September 23, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton supporters, please remember the most important thing:
Democratic control of the White House will give us the appointment power over the entire Executive branch, the federal courts, and the regulatory agencies.
Who do you think is going to appoint more women (and progressive women) to these essential jobs? We know who McCain will appoint - the same old frat boy Republicans.
Let's get behind our candidate and win!
September 23, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
What three recent polls in MN show average to a 1 point race?
If you go by RCP's latest three polls listed its Obama +4
The last poll to show a tie was right after the republican convention - hardly useful today.
Still as was stated above - MN does seem to alternate between tight race and Obama blowout - but always favors Obama - so little worry there. McCain winning MN is like Obama winning NC - possiblel, but not probable - and if it happens it would be indicative of a larger trend.
What has remained constant - even during McCain's convention bounce - is that McCain is a consistent underdog when it comes to poaching midwesten states won by Kerry, but Obama is often tied and at times ahead when it comes to poaching 2004 Bush states - specifically IA, NM, VA and CO, and the chances of McCain winning any one of them is probably a little less than Obama winning FL and/or OH.
September 23, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. I thought MN and WI were stronger for Obama that what it shows here. He really can't afford to lose either one of those states. If the primaries are any indication, Obama should perform about 3% better in the final vote tallies than in the polls for the midwestern states. So he's ahead, but let's hope it get bigger. Republicans will steal those states if the difference is slim.
Obama has to hold MI, WI, MN, and IA (very safe). I think he's going to win VA. NH won't go red.
He won't need FL, OH, NV. CO, or NM.
September 23, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
The right wing evangelicals and such did not deliver Ohio to Bushie in 04,,,,,,,, Secy of State Ken Blackwell's voter supression machine, esp in NE Ohio did that.
Blackwell's gone now, but his machine is very much in operation,,,,, bring on the legal beagles and poll watchers, and keep that voting equipment and ballots under keen eye and lock and key days before and days after the election until results are certified. Voter registration funny business is already in full swing and needs to be kept up with as well.
Kerry 'won' Ohio,,,,, he just backed off going to court to verify it,,,,,, that should never happen again.
September 23, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
We don't need Blackwell...apparently we can count on 25% of White Democrats...
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=e3d3f8a97e8a8fd22ba3fd677b53323c
September 23, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
With the first debate on a Friday night, it's gonna be even less consequential.
I try not to think about it too much, but it really will be a relief to know that a President Obama will restore sanity to the federal judiciary as well as the entire executive branch.
Oh, and we can bring back sound science as well.
September 23, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
The right wing evangelicals and such did not deliver Ohio to Bushie in 04,,,,,,,, Secy of State Ken Blackwell's voter supression machine, esp in NE Ohio did that.
Blackwell's gone now, but his machine is very much in operation,,,,, bring on the legal beagles and poll watchers, and keep that voting equipment and ballots under keen eye and lock and key days before and days after the election until results are certified. Voter registration funny business is already in full swing and needs to be kept up with as well.
Kerry 'won' Ohio,,,,, he just backed off going to court to verify it,,,,,, that should never happen again.
September 23, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not afraid of the socialism tag, it's the $2500 for Wall St. FatCats that I'm worried about being tagged with. It's the soundbite that bites. If this bill passes w/o restrictions on CEO pay/parachutes, it's a bludgeon that will be used, with some significant success, I believe.
I think that the Democrats should slow things down and make sure that both get this right (whatever exactly that means) and make sure that we don't hand McCain another (and probably last) chance to escape from the quicksand.
September 23, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I actually am worried about these numbers. It is part of a pessimism about Obama's chances.
Here's the thinking that makes these numbers look bad for him:
1.) Undecided voters are largely independents.
2.) On the recent polls of latent or not so latent racist framing, independents look more like Republicans than Democrats.
http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race
3.) Thus, McCain in the end will take far more, around or even more than 60%, of a group with this feature, the independents, than Obama will.
4.) Given the size of the number of undecideds, McCain is on track to win Florida and Minnesota. He is in striking distance, a point or less, in Michigan.
5.) Plus Ohio has been polling steadily for McCain. Pennsylvania on pollster .com is 47.4 to 45.1 Obama, but with an average of more than 5% undecideds. So Pennsylvania too could well be a McCain win as well on this theory.
That's a lot of potential battleground states going the wrong way.
Let's hope that this effect is not as powerful as I fear it may be. Off to write a check for Obama in hopes that this will soothe my concern and then try to think about something else.
September 23, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I live in Michigan and it won't be that close.
September 23, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with the people saying the MN looks odd. The most recent three that 538 has are:
ARG: 48-47 (9/19)
Rasmussen: 52-44 (9/18)
Big 10: 47.3-44.5 (9/16)
I think we should be happy if McCain wants to pour money into MN.
John
September 23, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink