CBS Faults McCain Ad Featuring Katie Couric As "Misleading"
CBS News has waded into the back-and-forth of the presidential race, rapping John McCain's use of Katie Couric in a new Web ad released today as "misleading."
In the ad, which hits Obama over the "lipstick" nonsense, Couric is made to look as if she's talking about Sarah Palin when she decries sexism in American life, but in fact it's a clip of her talking about Hillary.
Apparently Couric isn't pleased about being used as a stage prop in a fashion designed to falsely suggest that Couric is endorsing the McCain campaign's phony complaints about sexism. CBS spokesperson Leigh Farris emails over this statement:
"CBS News does not endorse any candidate in the Presidential race. Any use of CBS personnel in political advertising that suggests the contrary is misleading."
And Ben Smith reports that YouTube has taken down the original ad at CBS's request.















Newsflash: the media are all stage props.
September 10, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now really!
These people may not be journalists, but they play them on TV.
Robert
September 10, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
CBS does more than what Obama's done so far.
September 10, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
How do you figure?
September 10, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right. Because he can make them take down their ads. And he'd look so tough if he sued them for libel (which he could legally do, especially about the sex-ed ad). Wake up.
September 10, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama can't sue anyone for Libel - he's a public figure.
What the McBush campaign wants is for everyone to talk about their digusting youtube stuff - that way they not only create a diversion, but they also get that disgusty ad some free ad play.
So far MSM is playing along, but they are getting PO'd with the way they are being played. It's going to bite McBush in the ass pretty soon, IMO.
There's nothing worse than having the media PO'D about your candidate.
They'll back off soon, but it will be too late.
But what else can they do? It's obvious they have absolutely no new ideas and just want a third term EXACTLY like Obama says.
September 10, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama can't sue anyone for Libel - he's a public figure.
What the McBush campaign wants is for everyone to talk about their digusting youtube stuff - that way they not only create a diversion, but they also get that disgusty ad some free ad play.
So far MSM is playing along, but they are getting PO'd with the way they are being played. It's going to bite McBush in the ass pretty soon, IMO.
There's nothing worse than having the media PO'D about your candidate.
They'll back off soon, but it will be too late.
But what else can they do? It's obvious they have absolutely no new ideas and just want a third term EXACTLY like Obama says.
September 10, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone, including a public figure, can sue for libel. It is more difficult for a public figure to win, but Carol Burnette showed it can be done against "The Enquirer".
September 11, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another straw on the camel's back that is the MSM's tolerance of McCain et al fucking them up the ass at will.
September 10, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a pity that YouTube isn't the only place where you can see it (ahem, TPM?). It's also rather lame that the Dems are relying on media outlets to do the right thing. That worked great for President Kerry.
September 10, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
WTF do you want Obama to do?
He can't have videos removed from YouTube any more than I can. Only the copyright holder - in this case CBS - can do that.
He threw this steaming pile of pig-barf back in McCain's lap this morning.
I swear, some of you wouldn't be happy if Obama went after McCain with an aluminum baseball bat.
(Not that I advocate anyone going after McCain with any type of baseball bat, for any Secret Service agents who may be reading.)
September 10, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain still has it up on his website, though.
September 10, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the McCain campaign has really overplayed it's card with the media. It's gone way overboard, attacking, swinging wildly.
While most democrats are starting to panic, I think what we're seeing is the real time implosion of the McCain campaign.
They didn't vet Palin, and now she's so popular with the base they can't dump her. But all the real scandals would turn swing voters, so all they can do is obfuscate, obfuscate, obfuscate. They are hoping for an Obama meltdown, which as we all know won't happen.
And the pres is turning on them.
September 10, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word.
I am also mystified at the panic, not surprised, since the media has most people focused on the horse-race/polling aspects.
Let Obama be Obama; he's not Kerry or fill-in-the-blank with any other Dem campaign that lost.
September 10, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sage observations by both del moi and Buckeye.
September 10, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that's wishful thinking. These sickening ads and tactics have worked in the past and they're working now -- just look at the polls trendlines over on the right and see how the lines for Obama and McCain are merging. Obama and his campaign need to hit back hard. It may be too late, but unleashing the 527s to do what they SHOULD have been doing for the past month is a step in the right direction.
September 10, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
We're still looking at convention bounce polls. WHo knows what they will be at the end of the week? Let's wait and see. My own guess is that they might be ableto hold their own against Obama .. but not against O AND the press.. if McCain keeps narking the press off it's curtains for them.
September 10, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just so typical of Obama to be so pure that he issued a blanket renunciation of 527's and then went back on it the moment it became to his political advantage. Quietly so he wouldn't lose the credit he had for renouncing them unilaterally.
He did the same on telecom immunity and on public funding -- there not even giving himself the cover of even trying to negotiate with McCain.
The defective strategy involved makes you wonder how his statescraft would work: grand pronouncements followedd by the recognition that he was going to be in a fight any way?
He doesn't seem to leave himself much rhetorical room for Plan B's.
September 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if you aren't correct. It sure seems like a lot of shit being slung in what, *three days*?
Lies upon lies, the "sex ed" ad yesterday, lipstick today, yada yada...
The media sharks are smelling blood, perhaps?
September 10, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I think the McCain campaign has really overplayed it's card with the media. It's gone way overboard, attacking, swinging wildly."
I agree with that. I also hope that lOTS and LOTS of people start showing up at Obama rallies with posters of PIGS + LIPSTICK!!
They can look just like Palin as far as I'm concerned. If the shoe fits.....
September 10, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Better they show up at McShamefaced's rallies -- with the ability to duck Republican brown-shirted thugs who are sudden fans of mooseburgers.
September 11, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
No self-respecting press WOULDN'T turn on an asshole who attacks them, and tells them they can't interview their unqualified VP candidate because she will be exposed for what she is: a corrupt, unattractive, nasty, vindictive, air head.
September 11, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a great fucking day to be a Democrat!
McLame pissed of Katie Couric? Little Mary Sunshine? Holy Shit!
He's gone insane. He's letting the fundies tell him they can win the election for him and he's totally turned on his one big winning hand: The Press.
I am in heaven!
September 10, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
They awakened the sleeping giant. Maybe, to use a cliché, this is the tipping point for the MSM. I personally have little use for Couric, but I recognize the fact that a lot of people watch CBS News. This could be heat of reaction the Democrats need to make this campaign finally go exothermal.
September 10, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heck, I might even watch Katie tonight. You on the east coast must be watching her now. She say anything about this B.S.?
September 10, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
What an outrage!
Ms. Couric needs to be told in no uncertain terms to clam the hell up and follow her RNC-dictated marching orders, like any other respectable member of the MSM.
Robert
September 10, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Katie Couric is a tool for the Right Wing attack machine - footage at 11:00!
Pufferfish
September 10, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
The lipstick on a pig comment was not about Palin, it was about McCain. How about a McCain faced pig with lipstick?
September 10, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its on the front page...well, minus the McBush face...
September 10, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
What am I missing here? The Ad was supposed to have been taken down by YouTube but I clicked on the link above and the ad played.
September 10, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
CBS was just pissed off that McInsane did not pony up his portion of the payola . . . Entertainment Department attorneys are real pitbulls . . . with or without lipstick.
September 10, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is what in chess is called a power play, on my own view I think Obama played it wisely in referring to the "lipstick on a pig" remark, you see that on hockey too, it is also called rope-a-dope, if the Obama campaign knew he was losing they would have replaced their senior advisors, but Obama camp knew that they like to play with stupid phrases so he put it out there, McCain camp takes it out of context, Media gets fed up with all the lies, and at least there will be more scrutiny on McDepends and Ms Alaska(Bimbo) at least word is that they are liars is out there.
September 10, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not rope-a-dope. Head fake.
http://www.blah3.com/article.php?story=20080910005333109
Vintage Jordan.
September 10, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pay attention to what Obama does - he is a hustler, par excellence, in my opinion.
I do not get why people get so spooked and think he's weak = good god people! You really think a weak man could become the first African American candidate? Please stop!
In the first place, Barack Obama, Joe Biden and David Plouffe are smart.
I do not think the same can be said of McLame, Cindersarah or McLame's campaign people.
This is just Rove revving it up and it's going get them fucked up, ultimately.
Have some appreciation for the man's ability to do something very elegant with all this and quit making him into something he's not. He's not weak - a weak man hits out. A strong man deals from a position of strength and that's where Obama is.
September 10, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hustler?
September 10, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for the double-post. I expected my reply to Economides would be attached below his question ("Hustler?"), instead of which it single-streamed at the bottom of the comments, so I thought it simply never got through. Eeek.
September 10, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
So now Reply works? Economides, please see below.
September 10, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
And people miss another tidbit: The wingnuts were even trying to go after the line about fish wrapped in newspaper starting to stink, as if that were a reference to Saracuda's nickname!!
Isn't that hilarious. Rotting fish = Sarah Palin.
September 10, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
It just smacks of desperation. Hopefully McBush is overplaying his hand...
September 10, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Man - talk about planting ideas in people's heads that weren't there to start with!
They are shooting themselves and each other in the feet now.
September 10, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
BUT . . . But . . . But . . . Rotting fishies stink from the head . . . Is Palin a hermaphrodite?
September 10, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's elementary school-level stupidity/whining:
"Mommy! He called me a ROTTING FISH! And that's WRONG 'cuz I'm a tough macho POW! WWWWAAAAAHHHHH, SNIFF, SOB!"
Beyond desperate into "What do we do NOW!?" territory.
September 11, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Greenwald has a good piece on this ridiculous controversy:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/10/pigs/
September 10, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
No doubt mccain though with good reason he owned couric after she dubbed in an answer to cover up his Anbar gaffe.
September 10, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
No doubt mccain though with good reason he owned couric after she dubbed in an answer to cover up his Anbar gaffe.
September 10, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sick burn!
September 10, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sheesh! Talk about being taken out of context. What they did with Couric's quote is pure deception.
September 10, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pure deception: it's what they do, Jeff.
September 10, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
CNN-Time Polls:
Michigan: Obama 49, McCain 45
Missouri: McCain 50, Obama 45
New Hampshire: Obama 51, McCain 45
Virginia: McCain 50, Obama 46
September 10, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Geha:
When were these polls released?
Joe
September 10, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Katie Couric is worse than a stage prop. The media have made themselves worthless. Down with infotainment. Up with journalism in pursuit of the truth.
September 10, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Praise The Lord! I've read the entire exchange and not a single Obama fan blamed Hillary!
September 10, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
"This is what in chess is called a power play, on my own view I think Obama played it wisely in referring to the "lipstick on a pig" remark, you see that on hockey too, it is also called rope-a-dope, if the Obama campaign knew he was losing they would have replaced their senior advisors, but Obama camp knew that they like to play with stupid phrases so he put it out there, McCain camp takes it out of context, Media gets fed up with all the lies, and at least there will be more scrutiny on McDepends and Ms Alaska(Bimbo) at least word is that they are liars is out there."
"Not rope-a-dope. Head fake.
http://www.blah3.com/article.php?story=20080910005333109
Vintage Jordan."
Also for those soccer fans, remember the Spain 1982 Worldcup
Brazil, Argentina, Germany were the favored ones to win,
but Italy ate their lunch playing the "catenaccio" or padlock,
they just defended piled all their people on defense, opposite teams defense got tired, played all their moves, and when most of their team was on offense, wham! italy went forward and beat them all...!
September 10, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Every time I think of Palin now I think of a pig with lipstick..weird.
September 10, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
My fiance just says she looks like a Lenscrafters model.
I can't stop laughing.
September 10, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
My fiance just said she looks like a Lenscrafters model.
I can't stop laughing.
September 10, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
O my gawd! That's perfect. One of those in the ads that are inserts in the Sunday newspaper -
I'm dying - LMAO!
September 10, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its the number 15 soft focus filter that gets to me.
September 10, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.minnesotaindependent.com/8052/mccain-connected-35w-bridge-collapse-to-palins-pork
September 10, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
O wow!
hee hee hee!
(though it's not easy to hee hee about that bridge collapse or anything to do with it -)
September 10, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lawd have mercy.
September 10, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's been a stooge of the Censored Bull-Shit network's push for McCain for a while now.
She just noticed?
September 10, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Every time I think of Palin now I think of a pig with lipstick..weird.
September 10, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, here's a strategy, I don't think Katie Couric would do it, but I'm sure the Wilson sisters of HEART would. Since the McCain camp seems not to care about using the intellectual property and implied endorsements of other people, AND they have a fixed amount of money to spend between now and the General Election - all that is needed is for HEART or anyone else whose celebrity has been used without their permission to get lien put against the McCain campaign for $87M until the end of the campaign.
September 10, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe somebody with a better understanding of intellectual property could correct me, but I don't think Heart could actually sue the McCain campaign. It's customary for political campaigns to stop using songs when they are asked, but I think it's more to avoid the negative publicity than for legal reasons. Once you've created something, as long as people compensate you properly by paying the royalties, they can play it wherever they like.
Katie Couric's thing is different, since it's pretty clear they are quoting her out of context, as well as using her image without her permission.
September 10, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, McInsane owes Heart for the play. Let's 38 million viewers times . . .
September 10, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jackson Brown is suing BOTH McShameful AND the RNC for use of one of his songs without permission of the copyright holder: Jackson Brown.
"So there, Mr. Monday Morning Quarterback. So there, Mr. Wheelchair General." -- Firesign Theatre.
In the abstract, anyone can sue anyone for anything. Even if one isn't guilty of the charge, one must defend against it. And defense lawyers cost a lot of money too. However, McShameful and the RNC certainly didn't ask Liberal Jackson Brown for permission to use his music to advance their anti-Liberal campaign.
September 11, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Our entire MSM is conflicted. Nepotism.
Revolving White House/MSM jobs. Deregulation for
Rupert Murdoch. Totally Corrupt
September 10, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Delmoi:
I wish you were right, but to assume most Americans are as well-read or intelligent as our group is incredibly wishful thinking. My parents live in Texas and they still think Obama is a secret Muslim. Scary but true. The polls and trend lines are against us now and these attacks, ridiculous and unsupportable as they are, are working.
Joe
September 10, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I hear ya but think about it: wouldn't matter *who* the Democratic nominee is, there will be some kinda ridiculous slander against them. As for the ads working? Sure, on some folks. That crap has been flying in American politics since (at least) the early 19th Century.
It is also possible that Americans are more fed up with it than usual...
September 10, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
The standard for Worst Mud-Slinging in a US Election Campaign has been:
Tommy Jefferson v. Johnny Adams/Johnny Adams v. Tommy Jeffrson.
Ooooh! what they SAID about each other! Sally Hemmings anyone?
September 11, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Very lame statement by CBS. They shouldn't have bothered if that's what they were going to "do" about it. What they did sends a clear signal to the McCain campaign that it's well worth their while to pull that kind of crap, for all it will draw, if it draws any criticism, is the mildest slap on the wrist which no one will pay any attention to. Which I am sure is exactly what their people knew would happen when they decided to pull this.
September 10, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok Joe - then what is your point? Why are you here telling us that Obama is losing? Why?
What's the objective?
September 10, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hussein:
Trying to get everyone rallied, I guess. As an Obama supporter and longtime Democrat, I am sick to my stomach reading the news and seeing the polls trend toward McCain. It's like the movie "Groundhog Day" and we are back in 2000. No way Gore loses to an asshole like Bush Jr. But he did. Been angry for 8 years now and hoping, praying, we don't get screwed again.
Joe
September 10, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hussein:
Trying to get everyone rallied, I guess. As an Obama supporter and longtime Democrat, I am sick to my stomach reading the news and seeing the polls trend toward McCain. It's like the movie "Groundhog Day" and we are back in 2000. No way Gore loses to an asshole like Bush Jr. But he did. Been angry for 8 years now and hoping, praying, we don't get screwed again.
Joe
September 10, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hussein:
Does that answer your question? Hope we can pull out of this and get back to leading in the race.
Joe
September 10, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I think we're leading it now.
September 10, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lame response by CBS. They shouldn't have bothered if that's what they were going to "do" about it. What they did sends a clear signal to the McCain campaign that it's well worth their while to pull that kind of crap, for all it will draw, if it draws any criticism, is the mildest slap on the wrist which no one will pay any attention to.
Which I am sure is exactly what McCain's people believed would happen when they decided to pull this. Just another negligible cost of "doing business" for these frauds who sell themselves as change agents who are going to bring an end to all that ugly nastiness in Washington...
September 10, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto the "take-a-deep-breath" thoughts. The McCain Campaign is thinking and acting tactically (like a fighter pilot) and swinging wildly. They've overreached on the dishonest rhetoric and the whining about "unfair attacks". The Obama Campaign is playing out their strategic game plan (like a Commander-in-Chief) and looking cool and un-flustered. As long as Obama and Biden don't look rattled and desperate, McCain is the one who will look weak unfit to command.
September 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
A "fighter pilot" who crashed five planes during training?
September 11, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
A "fighter pilot" who crashed five planes during training?
September 11, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto the "take-a-deep-breath" thoughts. The McCain Campaign is thinking and acting tactically (like a fighter pilot) and swinging wildly. They've overreached on the dishonest rhetoric and the whining about "unfair attacks". The Obama Campaign is playing out their strategic game plan and looking cool and un-flustered (like a Commander-in-Chief). As long as Obama and Biden don't look rattled and desperate, McCain is the one who will look weak unfit to command.
September 10, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know what campaign you've been watching the past few weeks, but it's been pretty obvious that the Obama campaign and DNC have been flustered and off their game for a while now.
September 10, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
O Jesus!
I think that's nuts. I don't think Obama flusters. In fact, I am pretty damn sure Obama doesn't fluster.
September 10, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
IIRC, today was the day when some wiser folks than I said we could *start* to look at the polls again-and maybe not even til the end of the week. We're still in the dead cat bounce...
September 10, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I don't know what campaign you've been watching the past few weeks, but it's been pretty obvious that the Obama campaign and DNC have been flustered and off their game for a while now."
Really. Well, I'm watching the campaign where the Republican is being called dishonest, dishonorable, unstable, whiny and evil by mainstream journalists. Now that's change you can believe in.
September 10, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's the one I'm watching, too.
September 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's some of the incoherent drivel that the McCain camp is being forced to spout:
"The more the New York Times and The Washington Post go after Sarah Palin, the better off she is, because there's a bigger truth out there and the bigger truths are she's new, she's popular in Alaska and she is an insurgent," Feehery said. "As long as those are out there, these little facts don't really matter."
Who's flustered?
September 10, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sarah Palin is popular in Alaska?
Um . . . and wants Alaska to secede so she can claim to be popular in the only state that matters?
And she's an "insurgent"? Then perhaps Bush should send a "surge" of troops to Alaska to put her down for being connected to al Qaeda.
September 11, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Golly. Any chance that Karl Rove slapped this ad up for his peeps?
Looks like Rove. Smells like Rove.
September 10, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hustling
You walk into a pool hall, see just a single pool player solitairing with indifferent skill, and decide to play him a game.
"Let's make it interesting," he says, "and play for cash." You agree, figuring on easy money.
Amazing how much better he got, once you were in it for the money.
Friend, you were hustled.
September 10, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hustler: one whose tactic is to hold back at first and let others underestimate him, until they have foolishly made themselves vulnerable.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hustling
You walk into a pool hall, see just a single pool player solitairing with indifferent skill, and decide to play him a game.
"Let's make it interesting," he says, "and play for cash." You agree, figuring on easy earnings.
Amazing how much better he got, once you were in it for the money.
Friend, you just got hustled.
September 10, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Poor John McShame. He can't win without a woman to show him the way, and even then he has to cheat. He's such a .... well a .... republican!
September 10, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why doesn't CBS do what several rock musicians are doing: sue for copyright infringement when thier properties are misused, as in this instance they are used to lend credibility to a lie?
September 11, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jackson Brown is suing BOTH McShameful AND the RNC for use of one of his songs without permission of the copyright holder: Jackson Brown.
"So there, Mr. Monday Morning Quarterback. So there, Mr. Wheelchair General." -- Firesign Theatre.
In the abstract, anyone can sue anyone for anything. Even if one isn't guilty of the charge, one must defend against it. And defense lawyers cost a lot of money too. However, McShameful and the RNC certainly didn't ask Liberal Jackson Brown for permission to use his music to advance their anti-Liberal campaign.
September 11, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink