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Big Joint Statement From McCain And Obama Says Nothing

Here it is: The joint statement about the crisis that the Obama and McCain campaigns have apparently been negotiating all day:

"The American people are facing a moment of economic crisis. No matter how this began, we all have a responsibility to work through it and restore confidence in our economy. The jobs, savings, and prosperity of the American people are at stake.

"Now is a time to come together - Democrats and Republicans - in a spirit of cooperation for the sake of the American people. The plan that has been submitted to Congress by the Bush Administration is flawed, but the effort to protect the American economy must not fail.

"This is a time to rise above politics for the good of the country. We cannot risk an economic catastrophe. Now is our chance to come together to prove that Washington is once again capable of leading this country."

It says nothing, of course. More confirmation that the talk about bi-partisan cooperation to deal with the crisis is just a gesture, and that we should get down to the dirty business of debating who actually has the better ideas about how to get us out of the crisis.


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Big Joint Statement...

Yeah, it's a real fattie.

Zing!

They just said, "Aw, screw it" and had some low-level staffers write it up in about five minutes.

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No way, no how, no bailout.

Now with photo! A picture is worth a 1000 words.

No way, no how, no bailout.

The dumb thing here is that there are in fact some specific policy positions regarding this legislation (bipartisan oversight commission, no golden parachutes for bailed CEOs) that Obama and McCain have in common! Why the heck not put those points of common agreement into the joint statement?

Or maybe McCain put his policy positions on hold so that he could better concentrate on the economy...

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Well Greg, according to Olbermann, not only did Obama draft that statement, he also appended 5 footnotes with his views on how to fix things.

It did too say something. Furthermore, the fact that a Joint Statement was written not by both, but by Obama, ought to tell you something.

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according to ambinder, there was more:

The Obama campaign proposed the following five points...joint principles, along with a joint statement.

The McCain campaign did not want to include them, and so the statement was sent out without these bullet points:

This joint statement is just lame. Lame on the Obama people for thinking it was a good idea.

Hmmm....I don't agree. Without the proposal of joint action, McLiar could not have blustered unilaterally, and the country would not be privy to the backstabbing. Unlike the primaries, people are actually watching.

Without the patience of waiting for your opponent's full-throated attack, you cannot pivot the momentum into a counter-attack.

Obama looks like the rest of us: scratching our heads and going WTF? You want warm milk and a nap NOW?

This is a debate gaffe absent the acutal debate, hence the desire to run screaming into the night.

I have a hunch the statement might have been a little bit different had McCain not tried to so publicly screw Obama.

I think the effective point this makes is something like:

"Okay, we've made a bipartisan gesture. Can we please debate now?"

The McCrash / Palin campaign: Quiet and effective

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The intent of the call from Obama was to make sure that this economic crisis didn't get played politically with one side using it to bash the other and since they both had the same view of the conditions that should be placed on the so called "bailout" then they should both show the public they agree on this issue so it did not get used as political fodder.

Then McCain turns around and tries to get all the political play out of it he could even so far as to suggest it was his idea and canceling every thing in order to "solve" the crises...as if???

So rather than give McCain any more material to work with he gave a generalized statement of bi partisan cooperation without specifics that McCain would then claim he came up with.

This is a perfect example of Obama acting presidential and McCain acting non-presidential. McCain has nothing...not even national security credentials due to his demonstration of such extremely poor judgment and petty behavior.

Let the debates go forward without prompters this time and watch McCain lie, lie, lie.

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Another example of mcShame stealing the thunder from Obama. He steals everything! Liar and cheater. Back-stabber. But getting caught at it!

I don't see how you can discuss this without mentioning the five points that Obama wanted to include, which McCain refused to (many of these points, from what I gather, are things McCain himself was saying he agreed with over the last few days).


You're right JK... Problem is for us low, broad band voters is that it took him 26 years.
Obama got it 8 days ago...What took us so long?

things McCain himself was saying he agreed with over the last few days

As always, McInane has been saying many things over the last few days, but (as always) he's unwilling to commit to any of them -- especially in writing.

...snakes need wiggle-room,

LK

Like family values?

i got to say it... the McCain camp was smart.

I believe that by doing this, it is going to show that John McCain puts country first and that Obama puts him self first by not agreeing to go to washington an try to work this out.

I think it is going to help John McCain....

Obama look out.

Good one Hill...So after he screwed up the first financial crisis in our lifetime; you want hime to do a repeat?

I truly believe if he thought Country first. He would have used his index finger on his 45 rather than raising both hands.

By the way, where is my pal; FOGU?

I think him is hill!

Harlod Meyerson made a very good point that makes me think that perhaps McCain is trying what several Republicans in tight House and Senate races like Sen. Gordon Smith (Oregon) and Rep. Christopher Shays (Conn) have done and attach themselves to Obama to try to escape the shadow of Bush/Cheney and that big "R" next to their name on the ballot. TPM has been pretty vigilant about showing the Republicans doing it or some other nonsense like the Washington race where Republicans are trying to get the better polled "GOP" rather than "Republican" next to their candidate.

"McCain's ploy was transparent. To counter the public's preference for Obama's economics over his own, he would get both of them in a room and emerge proclaiming that they had reached agreement, that they had no differences. In fact, they have very real differences..."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/24/AR2008092403918.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

I mean John McCain has already tried to appropriate Obama's "Change" slogan, he seems to want to further hook up his broken down wagon to the Democrats. He's doing enough to help Obama win, but he might as well go all the way and endorse already.

It's called triangulation.

No more Rick Davis and Charles Keating.

I can't stress enough how this is first class gamesmanship by the McCain camp. If Obama doesn't counter this effectively, the election is lost, along with his edge on economic issues and crisis.

The heat McCain is taking for cancelling the debate is really insignificant compared to what McCain is trying to pull off, namely look presidential in managing and resolving the current crisis on Wall Street. He is putting country first and if he loses the presidency, then so be it.

Notice how McCain's surrogate, as well as Palin, are trumpeting his bold action, taking risk, providing leadership, bipartisan efforts, etc.. No one from the Obama camp is countering that positive message.

Even McCain's absence on Letterman becomes a heart-warming advertisement for how McCain is putting country first and he called Letterman to tell him he was on the way to the airport to get back to Washington.

And House republicans of course are dutifully putting up this orchestrated resistance to the bailout so that McCain can come in and move things along and achieve bipartisan success. He would look like the hero that broker and pass the whole effort. He would get on TV and tell everyone that the crisis has passed and how he is proud of the Congress. Of course, all credits are due to him.

Great move by McCain. At least 10 points will move his way if not more. Unless Obama counters this effectively. How?

1) He needs to get on TV during prime time and explain the crisis and the bailout. Folks would see that he is on top of the issues and acting presidential, not just one of 100 senators.

2) Palosi and Reid needs to get a bill in place and publicly repeat on every show that they have all the votes they need, except some minor details to be worked out. This would diminish the credit that McCain can claim after he gets to Washington. Barnie Frank is already doing some of this. They need to make McCain look like he misses the party.

3) Step (2) would preferrably be done after step (1), so that Palosi can say that the American people really heard the call from Obama and have called their Congressman to get them to act quickly.

4) McCain is going to get all the spot lights next few days. Counter that with Hillary getting on TV and continue to emphasize that work has been underway even before McCain shows up.

Obama camp should be in serious damage control mode. McCain has once again outgamed us and even fooled some of us this time.


I disagree. By Sunday McCain will look old, clumsy, out of touch, wreckless, unpredictable, a politically opportunistic, unsafe and unpresidential. Arguably, he's already perceived that way.

I can't imagine that George Will won't reiterate his disapproval of McCain nor any of the high-profile political pundits.

Obama is taken care of. He's smart, his campaign is on fire (in a good way), the majority of Americans are with him and the Democratic congressional majority has his back.

I take your cautionary points, but know that Obama's campaign is a step ahead of all of us.

I think Josh Marshall made the strongest point in all of this from the beginning. When we look back on it we will see just how important Obama standing his ground and not allowing himself to be "bitch slapped" by the Republicans was. For one more sports analogy, I think that Obama showed that his basketball skills keep his political skills sharp and was not allowed to be faked out. He blocked McCain's three point shot big time.

You are confusing tactics with strategy my friend.
Shutting down debate is a tactic not a strategy.

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That Letterman video - or a cut version of it - will be circulating for the next 40 days and more.

mcShame caught in a lie. Mocked. Mocked for himself and for his running mate.

There is something about that video... the impromptu truths bubbling out of Letterman's mouth.

So many people will view that. It's going to be devastating in its effect on common people, the uninformed in particular.

mcShame's behavior has an air of desperation about it, an unhinged quality, vicious, unpresidential to the hilt. The man is completely unfit for office. His "second" unfit as well.

No pundit could duplicate the shock and awe unfolding within Letterman - as he struggled to connect the dots between the myth and the man - and COULD NOT do so. Put that together with the Enquirer article (and it's effect on the uniformed!). Put that together with the video of the exorcism of Palin. It's overkill. It will not play in small town and rural America.

The mcShame campaign is done for. Does anyone imagine the Couric interview will not be preceded (or followed) by the clip of Letterman?

Try to spin this any way you can. But it will not work.

mcShame has shamed himself and the nation. There will be hell to pay!

BS Those who "LIve by the Press Die by the Press."
Macslime thought he owned the Press.

the early returns are not favoring mcflopsweat on his move:

survey usa

What to do about debates?

Hold as Scheduled 50%
Hold with Econ Focus 36%
Postpone 10%

Suspend Campaigns?

Suspend 14%
Continue 31%
Refocus on Fin. Crisis 48%

Would canceling the debates be good for America?

Yes 14%

Dude, you're tripping.

ol' mcflopsweat is proving himself to be the master of the pyrrhic victory. he always manages to steal the news cycle from obama, but at the cost of horrible press.

his first big victory was the night of obama's primary victory, when he got roundly panned for his lame "green screen" speech.

then his veep pick stole some of the shine from the close of the dem convention, but palin got roundly panned in the press.

now he's rushing to get out in front of the big bailout, but now even letterman's roundly piling on.

mcflopsweat says he "knows how to win wars", which i guess is easy if you're willing to pay any price ...

Letterman

Letterman invited Olbermann as his special guest substitute for Old Yellow Stain but spent the entire 10 minutes to filleting the old fish..

"What are you going to do if you're elected and things get tough? Suspend being president? We've got a guy like that now!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjkCrfylq-E

Oh that's just freekin priceless that clip! I only wish I'd seen it live. KO teased it on Countdown but I fell asleep...

Ralph Nader proposes 10 specific regulations to repair the mess and preclude it occurring again.
Robert Reich has 5 particular, specific recommendations for the same purpose. they do not really overlap much.
So that's a minimum of 12 points (for the sake of argument).
But somehow NONE of them make it into the 'bi-partisan' statement of principles?
Hogwash.
Codswallop.
Change? Hardly...

So, it is a joint bipartisan effort by Obama and McCain.

Obama's contribution was to write the statement and include five specific principles the two campaigns should agree on.

McCain's contribution was to delete the five specific principles and back out of the first presidential debate.

I see Obama has now taken the lead in NC. No wonder the McCain campaign is imploding.

This is called hook, line, and sinker.
Obama, once again, shows how it's done. He just handed McCain an Acme cigar, McCain took it, and it blew up in his face.
That's all folks!

And this from the frozen tundra of Wisconsin this morning:

Among all likely voters, Democratic Sen. Barack Obama leads Republican Sen. John McCain 49 percent to 43 percent.

That's a shift from the Big Ten battleground poll of last week that showed them only 1 point apart.

Five percent of voters remain undecided and the margin of error in the WISC-TV poll is plus or minus 4 percent.

Among men, McCain leads Obama by four points -- 49 to 45 percent with 2 percent undecided.

In the prime demographic of women in the state, Obama leads by a fair margin -- 53 percent to McCain's 37 percent but still 8 percent of women remain undecided.

University of Wisconsin-Madison political scientist Charles Franklin said the likely voter shift over the last week has to do with the economic crisis and that Wisconsin mirrors what's happened across the country.

"What we've seen in just the last 10 days in state after state and national poll after national poll is that following the financial crisis last Monday and Tuesday McCain's growing advantage that happened after the Republican convention stopped, turned completely around and has moved sharply back for Obama," said Franklin. "Since neither of these candidates has particularly distinguished themselves by their economic policy, they've both emphasized other aspects the fact that the economic crisis seems to be hurting McCain and helping Obama is politically very important."

WISC-TV also asked participants about the proposed government bailout and whether voters approve or disapprove of the government's action and only 32 percent approve and 61 percent disapprove with 7 percent not sure.

A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone for the poll.

Those interviewed were selected by the random variation of the last four digits of telephone numbers.

Quotas were assigned to reflect the voter registration of distribution by county.

McCain too Distraught and Overwhelmed by economic crisis to debate and explain to the American people what clear ideas and solutions he has to handle this crisis. May be McCain is unable to handle the stress and is having a senior moment, because when you are President of the United States, there is no rest for the weary, and you are always on Call!

Or, is McCain really being dirty and underhanded, trying to pull the wool out from under Barack’s feet, when he reached out to him early Wedensday morning in a bi-partisan moment, so together they could show solidarity and release a Joint Statement, however, McCain did not like that idea and decidied to bring politics into an already unsteady situation in an attempt to aid his political career, pretending that it was he who reached out to Barack and not the otherway around! However, that was not good enough, he must one-up him and cancel the campaign all together, the crisis is so great, a sudden change of heart that makes McCain look phony and untrustworthy. That is not putting Country first, but we already know that by his Pallin pick!

And, of course, the debates should not be cancelled. A President has to be able to multi-task, big time! McCain’s cancelling looks more like a senior moment or that he is too overwhelmed and distraught to be albe to explain to the country just what he would do to address this problem. Maybe McCain will not be able to answer that 3:00 a.m. phone call as a President is always on call.

McCain the Wizard of Oz now pretends he has a heart, brain and courage! If so, its not working very well. His wall of lies and deceipt are closing in on him and soon there will be no place to hide, not even in the Senate. McCain you can run, you can lie, but you cannot hide and Humpty Dumpty couldnot be put together again!

There is no sbstance in this joint statement. Where is the five principle beef?

I got a call from a political polling outfit the other day, regarding the presidnetial race, so they said.

First question: "How old are you?"

"62"

"That's all the questions we have. Thanks for your time. Good bye."

From now on, I'm saying "35"...

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