Biden Uncorks Tough Populist Hit On McCain Over "Fundamentals" Line
Joe Biden is currently speaking in Michigan, where he seized on John McCain's claim this morning that the "fundamentals of our economy" are strong in order to unleash an extensive populist attack that pulled together just about every questionable McCain comment on the economy from the entire campaign.
Here's a key excerpt (from Biden's prepared remarks):
Senator McCain has confessed, quote, "It's easy for me to go to Washington and frankly, be somewhat divorced from the day-to-day challenges people have." And he's right, if all you do is walk the halls of power, all you hear are the wants of the powerful.I believe that's why Senator McCain could say with a straight face, as recently as this morning, and I quote "the fundamentals of our economy are strong." That, "We've made great progress economically" during the Bush years. But friends, I could walk from here to Lansing, and I wouldn't run into a single person who thought our economy was doing well, unless I ran into John McCain.
John McCain just doesn't seem to understand what middle class people are going through today. I don't doubt that he cares. He just doesn't think that we have any responsibility to help people who are hurting.
One other thing: Virtually no mentions of Palin. The entire focus here: The economy, McCain's similarities to Bush, and McCain's decision to run a campaign dominated by nonstop lies and adver-sleazements.
Full text of Biden's speech after the jump.
Eight years ago, a man ran for President who claimed he was different, not a typical Republican. He called himself a reformer. He admitted that his Party, the Republican Party, had been wrong about things from time to time. He promised to work with Democrats and said he'd been doing that for a long time.
That candidate was George W. Bush. Remember that? Remember the promise to reach across the aisle? To change the tone? To restore honor and dignity to the White House?
We saw how that story ends. A record number of home foreclosures. Home values, tumbling. And the disturbing news that the crisis you've been facing on Main Street is now hitting Wall Street, taking down Lehman Brothers and threatening other financial institutions.
We've seen eight straight months of job losses. Nearly 46 million Americans without health insurance. Average incomes down, while the price of everything -- from gas to groceries -- has skyrocketed. A military stretched thin from two wars and multiple deployments.
A nation more polarized than I've ever seen in my career. And a culture in Washington where the very few wealthy and powerful have a seat at the table and everybody else is on the menu.
Eight years later, we have another Republican nominee who's telling us the exact same thing:
This time it will be different, it really will. This time he's going to put country before party, to change the tone, reach across the aisle, change the Republican Party, change the way Washington works.
We've seen this movie before, folks. But as everyone knows, the sequel is always worse than the original.
If we forget this history, we're going to be doomed to repeat it -- with four more just like the last eight, or worse. If you're ready for four more years of George Bush, John McCain is your man.
Just as George Herbert Walker Bush was nicknamed "Bush 41" and his son is known as "Bush 43," John McCain could easily become known as "Bush 44."
The campaign a person runs says everything about the way they'll govern. The McCain-Palin campaign has decided to bet the house on the politics perfected by Karl Rove. Those tactics may be good at squeaking by in an election, but they are bad if you want to lead one nation, indivisible.
I count John McCain as a friend. I've known him since before he was a Senator. If he needed my personal help, I'd go. He served our country bravely, nobly. But America needs more than a great solider, America needs a wise leader.
Take a hard look at the positions John has taken for the past 26 years, on the economy, on health care, on foreign policy, and you'll see why I say that John McCain is just four more years of George Bush. On the issues that you talk about around the kitchen table, Mary's college tuition, the cost of the MRI for mom, heating our home this winter -- John McCain is profoundly out of touch.
Senator McCain has confessed, quote, "It's easy for me to go to Washington and frankly, be somewhat divorced from the day-to-day challenges people have." And he's right, if all you do is walk the halls of power, all you hear are the wants of the powerful.
I believe that's why Senator McCain could say with a straight face, as recently as this morning, and I quote "the fundamentals of our economy are strong." That, "We've made great progress economically" during the Bush years. But friends, I could walk from here to Lansing, and I wouldn't run into a single person who thought our economy was doing well, unless I ran into John McCain.
John McCain just doesn't seem to understand what middle class people are going through today. I don't doubt that he cares. He just doesn't think that we have any responsibility to help people who are hurting.
My dad used to have an expression: "Don't tell me what you value. Show me your budget, and I'll tell you what you value."
By that measure, John McCain doesn't stand with the middle class. He stands with George Bush firmly in the corner of the wealthy and well-connected. He stands with the CEO of Exxon-Mobil, who, while testifying before my Senate judiciary committee swore to me under oath that Exxon-Mobil didn't need the tax breaks they'd been given to explore for oil.
John McCain is so firmly in their corner he thinks the Exxon-Mobils of the world should get an additional $4 billion dollars a year in tax cuts.
He stands in the corner of the wealthiest Americans by extending tax cuts for people making over a quarter million dollars a year, and then adding more than $300 billion on top of that for corporations and the wealthy.
There is simply no daylight - at least none I can see -- between John McCain and George Bush.
On every major challenge we face, from the economy, to health care, to education and Iraq, you can barely tell them apart.
Don't take my word for it, look at the record. Ninety percent of the time, John McCain votes with George Bush.
Here's what that means:
When George Bush called for Social Security to be privatized, John McCain stood with him - he even campaigned for that roundly rejected plan.
When George Bush says that the government has no obligation to re-train or provide extended unemployment benefits for people who have lost their jobs due to trade agreements,
John McCain echoes that view, and has said that Bush is "Right on trade... absolutely."
When George Bush said we shouldn't investigate why the government's response to Hurricane Katrina was so incompetent, John McCain stood with him.
When George Bush initially opposed a new GI Bill that would send a new generation of veterans to college, John McCain stood with him, calling Senator Webb's effort too generous.
When George Bush blocked our efforts to provide health care to another 3.8 million children, John McCain stood with him.
And when, in early 2007, George Bush suggested that the health care benefits you get through your employer should be taxed as income, John McCain stood with him. And now, ladies and gentlemen, John McCain has resurrected that idea, and made it an essential part of his health care plan.
Issue after issue, vote after vote, the story is the same.
In the last 16 years, he's voted 23 times against the renewable energy - wind, solar, biofuels -- we need to free ourselves from foreign oil.
Since he arrived in the Senate over 20 years ago, he's voted more than 19 times against the minimum wage.
In 1994, I wrote and we passed a Crime bill that put 100,000 new police officers on the street, 3,300 of them here in Michigan, provided shelters and security for tens of thousands of battered women, and helped lead to an eight year drop in violent crime. John opposed the crime bill and the Violence Against Women Act it contained, calling them "ineffective" and "ill conceived."
Time and again John voted against increased funding for Pell grants to help families with incomes under $55,000 send their kids to college.
Time and again, John McCain voted to make it harder for women to achieve equal pay for the same work - making it harder to prove, and punish, discrimination. He even voted against a study to determine if there is a gap between what men and women are paid. Twice.
Governor Palin says all senators do is vote. Well, just imagine what the country would look like if John's votes had become the law of the land.
In John McCain's America, we wouldn't guarantee that more of energy would come from wind, solar, and other renewables. The minimum wage would still be $3.35 an hour. There would have been 100,000 fewer police on the beat. There would have been no national domestic violence hotline for the 1.5 million women who were in crisis and needed somewhere to turn.
Over 160,000 members of the Guard and Reserve who answered their country's call and served more than one tour in Iraq or Afghanistan would get no credit towards an education for their additional sacrifice. Fewer parents would be able to afford to send their kids to college. And women who were discriminated against on the basis of pay would more difficulty making their case. Thank God that's not the America we live in.
John McCain recently said: "the issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should." Then he proved it by the advisors he chose to surround him - advisors who have further cocooned him from the reality facing the rest of us. People like Phil Gramm. The man who wrote John McCain's economic plan actually said, repeatedly, that we're not going through an economic recession. Phil Gramm says it's just a mental recession. That we're a nation of whiners.
Tell that to my friend who flew jets for the Navy and then went to work for a commercial airline for over 20 years - only to see his pension wiped out while his CEO got a golden parachute. Don't tell me that he is a whiner.
Don't tell me that the woman I met in Missouri who worked for the Chrysler plant for 13 years making minivans and lost her job when production moved to Canada is a whiner.
Don't tell me that an engineer who sees his job go overseas because his company has been given a tax break to leave instead of one to stay is a whiner.
Don't tell me that these people, people who are our nation's heart and soul - deserve to be treated as economic scapegoats.
These people worked hard, they did everything right, and they're willing to work hard again. But instead of their government supporting them, their government walked away from them. Nobody stood up for them.
Barack and I will.
What is John's response to the state of the economy? Let me quote him: "A lot of this is psychological." Let me tell you something: Losing your job is more than a state of mind.
It means staring at the ceiling at night thinking that you may lose your house because you can't get next month's mortgage payment. It means looking at your pregnant wife and not knowing how you're going to come up with the money to pay for the delivery of your child, since you don't have health care anymore. It means looking at your child when they come home from college at Christmas and saying "Honey, I'm sorry, we're not going to be able to send you back next semester." It's not a state of mind. It's a loss of dignity.
When you and your economic advisors are so out of touch, it's no surprise that your economic policies ignore the challenges that normal families face.
Let me just give you one more example. In the midst of this housing crisis, John McCain said, "I will fight for those that lost their... real estate investments." He went on to say, "It's not the role of government to bail out big banks or small borrowers." What about small borrowers? What about homeowners? What about the people who don't invest in homes, but live in them? There's an important distinction between the predators and the preyed upon.
I heard that a Republican County Chairman right here in Michigan said that they're keeping a list of foreclosed homes, suggesting that if you've lost your home, you should also lose your vote. I have a different idea. I think that if you're worried about losing your home, you should vote for the guys who are going to help you keep it!
Whatever happened to the guy, who once denounced tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans in a time of war as immoral.
When someone running for election changes his views to satisfy the base of the party, that's not change, that's just more of the same Washington game. The problem is that in the Washington game today, the American people are losing.
Ladies and Gentlemen, as of today, there are 50 days until Election Day. That's just seven more weeks to talk about the direction we're going to take this country, to talk about the issues of concern in your lives, to talk about you. But as his campaign manager has said, and I quote, "This election is not about issues."
When Senator McCain was subjected to unconscionable, scurrilous attacks in his 2000 primary campaign, I called him on the phone to ask what I could do. And now, some of the very same people and the tactics he once deplored his campaign now employs. The same campaign that once called for a town hall a week is now launching a low blow a day.
Barack and I can take it. That's not what bothers me.
It bothers me that -- as one media watchdog put it -- John's recent commercial is the, "latest in a number that resort to a dubious disregard for the facts." As another news organization put it: The wheels have come off the straight talk express.
But what really bothers me, is that every punch thrown at us --- is an attempt to distract you. And they can be plenty distracting.
Like the McCain advertisements that misrepresent a vote by Barack Obama to protect young children from sexual predators. Like Senator McCain's effort to obscure the fact that Barack Obama's tax cuts will benefit 95 percent of all working people. Like John McCain's attempt to cloak himself in reform by misrepresenting his running mate's record.
It's disappointing to me to think that John McCain really does approve this message.
Every false debate we're drawn into is a real conversation we don't have with the American people. Character attacks get media attention, but they make this election about us when it really needs to be about you.
Barack Obama believes that progress in this country is measured by how many people have a decent job where they're shown respect. How many people can pay their mortgage. How many people can turn their ideas into a new business. How many people can turn to their kids and say "It's going to be okay" with the knowledge that the opportunities they give will be better than the ones they received.
That's the American dream. That's what the people in my neighborhood grew up believing. And I want our kids to have the same dream.
Barack Obama starts from that vision of progress and will do what it takes to get us there.
That's why his tax cuts - benefit the middle class. That's why he'll make it easier for families to afford college for their kids. That's why he says everyone should be able to have the same health care that members of Congress have. That's why his energy plan will reduce our dependence on foreign oil, bring down gas prices, and, in the process, we'll create five million new green jobs. Those are the changes we need.
Yes, this campaign is about change, but it's about even more than that. It's about what we value as a people. It's not just about a job, it's about dignity. It's not just about a paycheck. It's about pride. It's not just about opportunity. It's about respect. That's why Barack and I are in this race.
We know we need change if we're to restore dignity, pride, and respect. We know America's best days are ahead of us, and we know why we're here.
We're here for the for the cops and firefighters, the teachers and assembly line workers, the engineers and office workers, the small business owners and the retiree.
All of the folks who play by the rules, work hard, and do what is asked of them. They deserve a government as good and an economy as strong as they are.
We're all are Americans. There has never been a challenge too great. The stakes have never been higher.
My father always told me, "Champ, when you get knocked down, get up. Get up." It's time to get up. It's time to trust the grit and determination of the American people.
America is ready. You are ready. I am ready. And Barack Obama is ready. Our best days are yet to come.
May god bless America and may God protect our troops.















"I have no doubt he cares."
Why add that?
Stick with "out of touch" and "doesn't get it." I don't see how giving him the benefit of the doubt on that helps.
September 15, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Just leave that stuff out of it. Especially now, with all of McCain's lies.
September 15, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Saying that explicitly directs it from being a personal attack, kinda of a verbal tightrope.
September 15, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
For one, it's in character. It fits right in with Joe's sincerity. He's got a very affable demeanor, and reinforcing that just makes his punches land with more authority.
Painting McSame as an confused, out-ot-touch dotard works. It resonates with what people see in him. Painting him as evil is a much harder sell.
September 15, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
It plays into the narrative of the "happy warrior."
September 15, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would it be sexist of me to tell you that I love your avatar?
September 15, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agree. AND repeating the "he's to be honored for his history and he means well" lines plays right into he's a "good soldier" but not a "wise leader" -- and he's "out of it" ideas.
Trust me, Obama is NOT going to win by making people dislike John McCain -- there are too many (esp in the groups - seniors and women - where Obama is weakest) who are incapable of feeling that emotion toward McCain. So giving him respect, saying he means well but just doesn't "get it" is absolutely the way to go.
They can save their dislike for Bush/Cheney-in-a-skirt Palin and the shadowy figures in the background who forced McCain to give up HIS VP choices and who will be running things behind the 'tired old warrior' figurehead. That's believable (and, I think, true) and doesn't require you to dislike McCain to vote against him.
Anyone read Frank Rich's column?
The Palin-Whatshisname Ticket
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/opinion/14rich.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
September 15, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why would he mention Palin? She was good on SNL tho . . .
September 15, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Something to munch on: has anyone here ever seen Sarah Palin and Tina Fey in the same place at the same time?
September 15, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I watched him on MSNBC and he was great! I think the campaign is in the groove now. They're landing so many punches that the only thing McWar can do is cover his face and hide behind Caribou Barbie's skirt!
September 15, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Advice to the Obama Campaign from John Judis at TNR:
What do I know, but here's what I would do if I were you. I would call a press conference tomorrow to discuss the financial crisis. Do it in New York City. Even better, on Wall Street. Begin with a fifteen minute statement outlining why the crisis has occured and what, generally, the government should do about it. Contrast your approach sharply with that of McCain and the Republicans. Take questions for an hour from reporters. Finally, issue a challenge to McCain to debate the issue by week's end. And offer to allow McCain to bring Sarah Palin and Phil Gramm at his side if he needs them to advise him on the issues.
I like it.
September 15, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree.
September 15, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sign me up.
September 15, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
That sounds great to me. And Biden's attack was pitch perfect. John McCain is the issue. Let Sarah Palin fall by the wayside. The laughter from SNL and more stories like her installing a tanning bed in the governor's mansion will take care of her.
Pufferfish
September 15, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is a great idea, primarily because it puts Obama back in front of the race instead of lagging behind trying to sweep up all of the s*** McCain keeps spreading.
September 15, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Plus it would dull the "why didn't Obama agree to do town halls when I asked him to" crap if McCain turns it down.
September 15, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great idea. Paulsen has been trying to stave-off a financial meltdown until after the November election - in other words, until a Repub is out of the WH. Therefore, calling attention to and dwelling on it by the Dems would obviously be a Republican nightmare.
September 15, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
this is a **wonderful** idea!! Anyone have a pipeline to Obama headquarters or even a way to flag it for Josh.
They should bring their advisors, maybe even let the advisors do most of the talking. I suspect the Obama/Biden economic advisors are WAY out ahead of the McCain/Palin ones ..... and economics is not the area in which voters like that guy (or gal) you'd want to have a beer with.
September 15, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
"And a culture in Washington where the very few wealthy and powerful have a seat at the table and everybody else is on the menu."j
I like this line. Classic Biden.
September 15, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Compare that speech to anything Palin has delivered.
It's not even close.
September 15, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
It has begun. McCain will regret what he did this morning.
As The Joker said: "...and...here...we...GO!"
September 15, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Joker? I thought that was Chronospark!
September 15, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've just skimmed the speech thus far but this part jumped out at me. This is gold.
September 15, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
great speech.
September 15, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.mccainpedia.org/index.php/Count_the_Lies
McCainPedia - Count the Lies
John McCain may be trying to sell himself as a "maverick" and a "straight talker" who will tell the truth no matter the consequences, but independent, non-partisan watchdog groups aren't buying it. But, since he wrapped up his party's nomination, John McCain has offered more of the same false attacks and smears. To date, independent, nonpartisan fact checkers have published more than 50 fact checks debunking John McCain's lies and distortions.
To hold John McCain accountable to his own standard, the Democratic National Committee will count and chronicle the lies here on the McCainPedia's "Count the Lies" page.
September 15, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin has been getting all the media attention which is only making her out to be a one-note monkey. They're getting bored. Meanwhile, Biden has been out there hammering away on the economy and at McCain.
Here's a bet: People leave a Palin rally less enthused and less excited about her. People leave a Biden rally more enthused and more excited about him because he's not just a media creation. He knows how to bring it!
September 15, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like the idea of dropping Palin totally as a subject now that she's been pretty thoroughly discredited.
Now is the time to start making her disappear. But she's going to go out and attack, so I guess we'll just have to see-
September 15, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oddly enough, some of us felt that way last week. Your advice was to put a sock in it. So, is it okay to take the sock out now?
September 15, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Co-sign. We were called trolls and everything else because we said we needed to get off the Palin crack.
As long as Palin is the superstar and celebrity in this race, there's not enough oxygen for Obama to pound away on McCain.
September 15, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, dude, and you called me a bossy bitch.
You want to start that again? Fine - I can go toe to toe with you if that's what you want.
September 15, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Regardings socks: I have a modest suggestion about where you can put yours.
September 15, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, kids. Take this outside. No pooping in the living room.
September 15, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can both be right. Palin needed to be discredited, then ignored. That's what happened and what is happening.
September 15, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's just what I said - now is the right time.
Last week was not. It would not have mattered what anyone else talked about, the press was talking about Palin. And so was the public - why? She was new and I find McLame boring as hell.
So I think most people were thinking and talking about Palin and that was the time to strike.
Now, free rider, you want to get up in my shit? Feel free -
September 15, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, hindsight. Funny, I don't recall you saying, "Let's back off the pit bull next week."
September 15, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Schmedley, you are trying to goad me into ruining this thread for everyone else and I'm not going to do it.
Everyone here knows the shit you post and the shit I post - let them decide who they are going to read.
And leave me alone right now - I don't want to fight and y'all are trying to start a fight.
September 15, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you ever notice that your posts tend to have an imperious tone to them? How's that working out for you? (hint: the more you tell me what to do, the less inclined I am to do it)
You may disagree with me and I have no problem with that. May I suggest, however, that your disagreement might find a more genteel reception if you couched it in a less arrogant way? You aren't always right, you know.
September 15, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok Schmedley - be happy.
The two of you ganged up on me last week and again today and now my feelings are actually hurt and thanks so much.
I'm so glad to hear that I'm arrogant.
I'm out of here - I have been abused soundly over trying to make sense of Palin and what was going on.
For two weeks I've been insulted constantly.
fuck this shit - I don't need it. If you and free rider want to run the board - have at it.
September 15, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why? Are you abdicating?
If you want a civil discussion, fine. But from where I'm sitting, that doesn't include telling people to shut up and then taking on supercilious outrage when called on it. If you want your feelings spared, then have a care about how you treat others. If you don't want a fight, then don't start one.
September 15, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
"... your disagreement might find a more genteel reception if you couched it in a less arrogant way?" From yopur lips to Obama's ears(that wasn't an ear joke btw).
September 15, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you ever notice that your posts tend to have an overly hostile and sarcastic tone to them? How's that working for you? (Hint: the more unnecessarily nasty and insulting you are towards people, the less likely they are to listen to you)
You may disagree with people and I have no problem with that. May I suggest, however, that your disagreement might find a more genteel reception if you couched it in a less arrogant way? You aren't always right, you know.
September 15, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, I haven't. Care to provide some examples for my elucidation?
Do you have a point you'd care to make in your own words?
September 15, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
So now there are 4 of you ganging up on me.
This board reeks with gentlemen.
September 15, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm, you are a bit rattled. For the record:
FreeRider hasn't responded to you.
SFCWallace was responding to me in his inimitable peanut gallery fashion.
Xantar was responding to me, although I'm not sure what his/her point is -- still waiting for some evidence of nasty insults.
So if there's some fighting going on , it's just you v. me. But how can that be since you've declared yourself to be "out of here"?
September 15, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't i know if he intended it but the name "Schmedley" just screams troll to me. Now, I don't know his posting history but it does seem tome that he's intentionally trying to goad you.
September 15, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know, Joe: seems to me that Kelpie is a bit too close to CowPie to take seriously, but I hesitate to draw conclusions about someone's intentions based on their alias. Perhaps you should do some homework (my history's there for the viewing) or STFU.
September 15, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kind of easy to rear back and fire the old fastball at McCain when it comes to the economy. He bought into the Reagan Kool-Aid and has been a staunch advocate of GOP, free-market beliefs for a long time. It's unfortunate that an economic crisis is the means by which we finally are allowed to atack McCain on his actual record as a Senator, but I'm glad we can finally put the focus back on him.
September 15, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
A propos buying into the Reagan Kool-Aid - "the fundamentals of our economy are sound" - those were Reagan's very words on the day of the 1987 stock market tumble.
September 15, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Check out this gem I just found over at Huffpost:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/perspective/article806980.ece
September 15, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ouch! That has to sting when your own family comes out against you. I hope this gets a lot of eyeballs.
September 15, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
"All happy families are alike. Every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."
September 15, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo!
And about time, too.
September 15, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alright, I loved this speech. Guess I'm a sucker for populism. This part brought tears:
Spoke to me, as I'm struggling personally trying to figure out how I'm going to get my extremely bright son to college.
But, on a less personal note, I love that they're talking less about the abstract notion of change and more concretely about the real issues that people are struggling with. I think that's the Biden touch. Thanks, Joe! I wasn't originally on board w/him, but I'm liking him more every time I hear him speak.
September 15, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are so not alone, as I'm sure you know. It's truly a struggle for people to educate their kids these days - and that's another problem - why is college tuition so fucking high that middle class people are being priced out of an education?
That's just wrong. It weakens our country - desperately!
September 15, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just read that if the price of gas had increased like college tuition has, the stuff at the pump would cost about $10/gallon.
September 15, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, TenaX. And we keep soldiering on, doing the best we can w/what we have...
September 15, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
The example you gave was when he was giving us something to be for, giving hope. That was in a speech where it was about 80% attack and 20% hope. I think this speech had to be made and was overdue but I hope in the future it is more like 50/50.
I thought the crowds reaction was very interesting. They booed when McCain was mentioned but were otherwise were fairly quiet when he was on attack. They perked up and cheered when he started cheerleading for the home team.
Bush, McCain and now Palin are rapidly squandering what credibility that they have left, there is a credibility vacuum waiting to be filled right now.
September 15, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. I'm confident that this contrast is not lost on the American people. It was ringing through loud and clear at the Conventions. The Obama/Biden ticket offers an appeal that speaks right to the heart.
September 15, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Educating kids is serious stuff, but I wonder how many folks have lost their retirement plans this morning?
September 15, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
We should all do the campaign a favor and focus on McCain and his out of touch surrealism.
September 15, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain stands by his comment in Orlando
(from The Page):
“This economic crisis is not the fault of the American people. Our workers are the most innovative, the hardest working, the best skilled, most productive, most competitive in the world.”
“My opponents may disagree, but those fundamentals of America are strong.”
A liar and a panderer: The worst of both worlds...
Keep talking, Bush 44. Keep talking.
September 15, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Desperate spin. His campaign knows he stepped in it, probably went off the script throwing in his usual talking point and now they're trying to spin it like the was talking about the working folks.
September 15, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
So "fundamentals" = "workers"?
That's quite the stretch.
September 15, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly, Hyper! He's talking about workers and productivity. That's not the economy. What a dolt! He was right: he doesn't understand the economy!
September 15, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kind of figured that would be where he would go. But it makes no sense. The system is broken but the fundamentals are solid. He sounds like a head coach trying to sound upbeat after his team got trashed 57 to 3.
September 15, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. It's just a lot of BS:
Basically, he says that things are bad but because americans are awesome, nothing wrong will happen to them.
These are the words of someone who is way out of touch with reality on the ground and at the same time, has been on Washington for 26 years...
If Americans buy this BS, we're fucked. For real.
September 15, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Biden gives a better speech than even Obama.
September 15, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Biden is a great reality check in this election. After all the non-sense in the last two weeks he reminded everyone what's at stake.
September 15, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Biden definitely does "outrage" better than Obama.
September 15, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apples and oranges. Nothing wrong with having both a good apple and a good orange, though.
September 15, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hah!!!! And do we ever!
Yes, at least 6 hours out of every day I spend sick to my stomach that they might lose, but I've never, for a moment, felt anything other than simply tremendous pride in our candidates!!
(Actually, that pride covers the ones who didn't make it to the final ticket as well -- people I want to see having strong, powerful voices in an Obama/Biden administration.)
September 15, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good speech, about as good as you're going to get by contemporary Democratic standards.
What a wasted opportunity this election represents, though, even if Obama scrapes out a win (as I believe he will). I remain convinced that a truly powerful left-wing populist message would have had a strong potential to bring about a true realignment election. Sadly, today's Democratic Party is so corrupt and compromised that it doesn't have a single credible national figure who would be willing and able to run such a campaign- only a handful of fringe figures like Kucinich who are easily (and in Dennis's case, sadly correctly) written off as loons.
If things start to really go south, I only hope that Obama has the same capacity FDR had, to see that circumstances demand a break with conventional wisdom.
September 15, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everyone alive should be taking McCain to task for this whopper.
September 15, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
How much play will that speech get on tv?
September 15, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't want to hear anymore about how "he served our country bravely, nobly." He doesn't do so by creating a situation in which power could be bequeathed to a contemptibly unqualified individual like Palin. Read the front page piece from yesterday's Times...you can add petty and vindictive to the thin resume.
September 15, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where are the ads on McCain, the really nasty ads that will take him down? Why the hell say that he cares? The Republicans piss on Democrats and we take it. I am sorry but I no longer have any confidence in the Democratic party. They are just too weak and willing to be humiliated. I am sorry but Democrats make me sick now. Is there any time that they will really stand up? Any abuse they will not take without turning around and telling those who sodemize them and tell the rest of the country how nice the bastards are and how they really have the best interests of the country at heart?
There are only two hopes for the country: the instantaneous generation of a third party with some actual guts or a revolution.
September 15, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
A bell just rang. Time for your meds. A double dose this time. Sheez.
September 15, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lets see if the msm bend over backwards to cover Biden with the same attention level as Palin. This sppeech will never get a mention. Biden should have pretened to call Palin a pig.
September 15, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know polls, but I am waiting for a blaring headline indicating how Obama overtook McCain in Virginia.... The bounce has come to an end!
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c3b77d5f-0d1a-4f6e-b195-ae05355e8eb8
September 15, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
For comparison, SUSA's poll of VA a week ago had McCain leading by two. This is, I believe, Obama's largest-ever lead in that state.
September 15, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
exactly--and note that the gains come from men and he still has an edge with women. This is great great news. Why oh why is this not the big lede on the front page?
I know. I am asking for too much.
September 15, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
not to read too much into it, but that is a 6-point swing. obama hits 50% and his lead is just outside the MOE. (for those who don't feel like clicking)
September 15, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know we're not supposed to pay too much attention to polls this early, blah, blah, blah....but I'll take this! After the last couple of weeks, we could all use some good news and something to celebrate!
September 15, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
No shit.
I don't believe them, but this makes a lot more sense to me than what I've seen in the past couple of weeks.
September 15, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
VA-Pres
Sep 8 SurveyUSA
McCain (R) 49%, Obama (D) 47%
Now, Sep. 15th SUSA: Obama 50%, McCain 46%
The bounce is over! But I want a second opinion...
September 15, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
The best part is, the movement isn't an illusion from an odd sample; the partisan breakdowns of the two polls are very similar (35% Republicans and 36% Democrats in the first, 33 and 37 in the second).
September 15, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's an important stat.
September 15, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
also note that this, like many SUSA polls in the south underestimate African American support for Obama. So all in all this is great news.
September 15, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just wet myself. Hell yeah!!!
September 15, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stop slurping on polls, let it go until October 3.
September 15, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Biden is back.
September 15, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
The wheels have come off the straight talk express.
Oil is leaking all over the road, the side panels are rusting out, the windshield is broken . . .
September 15, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, Joe. Now the MSM has to pull its head out...
September 15, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone know if this is a problem:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm?&page=1
September 15, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Amir Taheri tells you the sun is shining, get out your umbrella.
September 15, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, it's not. PERIOD.
September 15, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
who is that guy? and how do they know? is there some sort of transcript?
drudge is trying to sneakily inch it closer to the top of the page that rat bastard
September 15, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, I do wish you had left out the word "populist" in that headline. The headline is far better without it, and the word "populist" doesn't generate 100% good feelings. In fact it is close to the word "pandering".
September 15, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really? Populist has never had that connotation for me.
I find that interesting -
September 15, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
populist is a dirty word in some circles. ever read the Economist? They use "populist" the way my gran used "commies". Course, I like the Economist, but I read it with grains of salt at hand.
September 15, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
husseintenaX iam coming to your defense do not respond back to close minded people,also 4 those who wanna attack wit your hateful derogatory,racist remarks its all find by me,just sweetheart do not respond back to them!!!!!
September 15, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Populism=pandering? It could, but coming from Biden, it just comes across as very real. I think it totally works.
September 15, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Both points are accurate. I think Biden's one of the few people who could pull it off.
September 15, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
This was a FANTASTIC speech. I watched it live on CNN online.
Finally Biden is doing what he was picked to do, ATTACK JOHN MCCAIN because he knows his record.
September 15, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fantastic. Loved it. Conrete and punchy.
"Dignity, Pride and Respect"
So many great lines that need to be trumpeted by the campaign.
"Senator McCain has confessed, quote, "It's easy for me to go to Washington and frankly, be somewhat divorced from the day-to-day challenges people have." And he's right, if all you do is walk the halls of power, all you hear are the wants of the powerful.
I believe that's why Senator McCain could say with a straight face, as recently as this morning, and I quote "the fundamentals of our economy are strong." That, "We've made great progress economically" during the Bush years. But friends, I could walk from here to Lansing, and I wouldn't run into a single person who thought our economy was doing well, unless I ran into John McCain."
that's what I'm talkin' about.
September 15, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
VIDEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUST HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 15, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Biden rocked the house today. More good news - latest Survey USA POLL for Virginia is out
Obama 50 McCain 46
September 15, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe Biden:
September 15, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Biden was the right choice! Once we get away from the gotcha ethics of politics we will see the strong steady Biden pace win out. People are looking for stability in their candidates and Biden is rock solid.
September 15, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Give 'em hell, Joe.
September 15, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you've ever read the wall street journal (I'm not recommending it), you will know why Obama won't do that. Wall Street is so entrenched in supply side economic theory that saying "Bush's economic policies have failed you" would be better directed at a brick wall. They need to target that message to the rust belt swing states where people are jobless, and not where people blindly follow the neo-con economic model.
Regardless of how much better the economy would be under liberal economic policies, you are inviting trouble if you go to Wall Street and say "we need more regulation and greater enforcement, and we need to revoke your tax cuts."
September 15, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
... Not sure if it's obvious what that is in response to... For Obama to hold a press conference on Wall Street about liberal economic policy would be a bad idea (even with the powerful backdrop of our deepening financial crisis)
September 15, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have a feeling that this Monday -- start of the news cycle following the Sept. 11th memorials may have been planned as Biden's introductory attack weeks, maybe months, ago.
Obama's campgain THINKS AHEAD, remember? And whatever was going on last week (who would have predicted lipsticked pigs??) the 9/11 commemorations were going to be a natural break and something that would sober up the people, readying them for a substantive message .... and Biden does have a damn fine voice! (The campaign is also just plain lucky sometimes - doubt they could have planned on the Lehman news to coincide)
September 15, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is the vids -
Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk3-mmleCes
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6tNppZ5DYU
September 15, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like Biden, although I have no idea why he isn't making regular attacks about McCain's lack of integrity and overall unfitness to be the president, but Hillary would have been a lot more effective delivering these types of speeches.
September 15, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
"...So giving him respect, saying he means well but just doesn't "get it" is absolutely the way to go..."
This is exactly what republicans are saying..."You may not agree with everything McCain says but you know his character and it's one you can trust to do the right thing".
But it isn't...you can't trust a liar. He doesn't "mean well"...he doesn't have "good intentions" and he doesn't care about you or me. He cares about Joun ;McCain and will say and do anything to be president. He no longer deserves respect...he's abused the respect he was given, milked it for all it was worth. He's sold his integrity and his honor to ambition and has become a deceitful manipulator. It's a shame but John McCain doesn't belong in politics or government any longer. He's every lobbyist's "pet senator on a leash". He's the old west's land grabbing corrupt "colonel" that every western hero ends up gunning down in the end.
Biden (if he must) should claim I "used" to know John McCain and respected him...then...but this is not the John McCain I knew.
September 15, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
But if you have a large segment of voters who simply are NOT going to agree with you that McCain "doesn't have 'good intentions' and he doesn't care about you or me" ...... what are you going to do? Give up on them? Let them go vote for McCain/Palin because you are forcing a choice that they cannot emotionally make? -------------- One of the advantages of picking Joe Biden for VP was that he can communicate to and appeal to the very voters that are going to gravitate toward McCain because of decades-long respect and 'steadiness.' And Joe knows how to talk to them - because he is/has been a friend and does/has respected McCain as a person, he can talk to those voters in a way you never could, because you simply don't "see" what they are seeing when they think of the man. Biden understands, can share their feelings, and can - gradually - lead them to a place where they can retain their life-long belief about him but have "permission" not to vote for him.
It's very different than what the Reps are saying --- they are saying that he still is that vital, in charge person that appealed so to independents and moderate Republicans. Biden is saying he's still that person in his heart but can no longer deliver, no longer has that vision or the ability to overcome the others in his party who are so very different. You don't have to hate McCain to not vote for him ----- and if you require these people to hate him, then you've lost their vote.
Joe knows very well what he's doing and who he's talking to. He doesn't need to convince me - or you - to vote for Obama, soI don't want him to speak *my* language. I want him to speak the language that will be heard by the undecideds and the 'soft' McCain supporters.
September 15, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is one thing I am curious about.
Obama raised 66 Millions, the best ever. He got 500000 new donors...but yet the polls indicate somehow a different story.
I assume there must be a disconnect somewhere between the reality of the new donors...and the polls...
Do we know where the new donors are coming from, which states...
how can he get more money, new donors, new registers democrats and be behind in the polls?
Any takers?
September 15, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
The polls lie.
They are based on 'representative' samples determined by whomever is taking the polls. Obama's voters are either 'underrepresented or not represented'. All those new donors are likely to be 10-20% new voters as well. Many of whom have not ever donated before to a political campaign...thus they are not part of the sampling the polls use when polling folks.
They particularly are underrepresented of the young voters 18-35, who typically have not voted and are Obama's 'base' and they also underrepresent the minority vote of Latinos and blacks as well as they overrepresent the white 'majority votes'
Just a few of the reasons that the polls are skewed in favor of the 'traditional' candidate.
Without just saying they are a complete waste.
September 15, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great speech. The media will run one sentence, "I have no doubt he cares," and that will be it. I am so outraged I could spit. McCain and his surrogates lie with impunity, the media provides refuge, then critisizes Obama and the dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, public buys it all hook, line and sinker.
September 15, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Phil Gramm, McCain's financial adviser, is the architect of the current financial crisis. Check out this passage from an article by Ed Lake of the Star-Telegram in Fort Worth, Texas:
Lay, DeLay, Gramm, Gramm & Clinton
"The late, infamous Enron head, Ken Lay, realized in the eighties that he could make more money bidding up energy in the futures market than by actually creating and selling energy. But, under then-current rules, how much you could make swapping paper was limited. Fortuitously, Lay had excellent Texas political connections; and in November of 1992, the head of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission moved to exempt energy-derivative contracts and related swaps from any government oversight.
A vote was hurriedly put together before the Clinton White House would take over, and so Lay could finally start "dark" – unregulated – futures trading. The head of the CFTC was Wendy Gramm, wife of Texas Senator Phil Gramm; five weeks after she left, she became a board member of Enron in Houston.
Fast-forward to late 2000 and H.R. 5660, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, sponsored by Republican Congressman Thomas Ewing of Illinois. That bill went nowhere, even though Tom Delay’s wife Christine was then working for a Washington lobbying firm, Alexander Strategies – which Enron had paid $200,000 to push through legislation for permanent energy deregulation in these "dark" markets.
Six months later came Senate Bill 3283, also named the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000. This time around the sponsor was Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, and now Phil Gramm was listed as one of the bill’s co-sponsors. Like it had in the House, this bill was destined to go nowhere until, late one night, it was attached as a rider to an 11,000-page appropriations bill – which was signed into law by President Clinton.
Now traders had an officially deregulated market for energy futures. Worse, that bill also deregulated many financial instruments – including the collateralized debt obligations that are at the center of today’s mortgage crisis, which may well cost us more than $1 trillion before it’s over."
Quite the "A" team McCain is building here.
September 15, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Phil Gramm was behind the S&L scandal, the Enron debacle and the present mortgage/banking collapse in the financial markets.
I think this is a talking point of gigantic proportions and wish that Biden/Obama would bring this home when they note that Gramm called us a nation of whiners and said it was a 'mental issue'.
Gramm is the arhietect of the worse economic failures in the past 2 decades...and he is poised to be Sec of Treasurer in a McCain admininstration?
Today will just be the tremor quake foreshadowing a richter scale of 9.0 quake.. prelude to Black Monday 1932 if McCain is elected.
September 15, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I forgot the links:
http://losangeles.injuryboard.com/miscellaneous/the-subprime-mess-and-phil-gramm-an-experiment-in-deregulation.aspx?googleid=242468
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2008/05/30/mccain_gramm/
September 15, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just don't see Biden on my teevee anymore. I know he is campaigning, but CNN, the most trusted news source doesn't tell me where he is.
September 15, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome, rocking speech. Biden should deliver this exact speech (just remember to change the part about walking to Lansing) in every swing state. And then in West Virginia just for kicks.
September 15, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Calling the spin-doctor, calling the spin-doctor--do you copy, over...
McCain you are so foolish. US economic fundamentals are not 'strong'. Where have you been for the past year? Oh-- In one of your seven-ten houses; depending on what the definition of house is. You sir are a moronic, incompetent republican puppet, a dwindling shadow of your former self.
You say the fundamentals are the American worker's-- we'll jobs are being lost and sent overseas thanks to you. Good lookin out for the fundamentals.
September 15, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink