Axelrod On Palin: Sounds Like A Washington Politician
Obama chief strategist David Axelrod responds to Palin's speech with a combination of fact-checking and a now-familiar high-road dismissiveness:
"She is deft at going on the attack. For someone who makes the point that she is not from Washington, she looks like she would fit in very well there," Axelrod told reporters on the campaign plane in Pittsburgh, Pa. "These attacks all felt very familiar to Americans who are used to this kind of thing from Washington."Axelrod said her speech was riddled with distortions.
"Right down the line," he said. "She tried to attack Obama by saying he had no significant legislative accomplishments -- maybe that's what she was told -- but she should talk to Sen. Lugar, talk to Sen. Coburn, talk to people across the aisle in Illinois where he passed dozens of major laws to expand health care reform welfare, reduce taxes on working families. So I think she had an assignment and she went out and she discharged it."
Good enough? Or more needed?
In other words, what should come next? Or does it matter?















Don't know yet, Greg.
It may be enough - to judge from what Josh is posting on the front page about focus groups' reactions, this may be enough.
But I don't know yet -
September 4, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I said in another thread, I'd like to see ads highlighting her lies. Call out her support of earmarks and the bridge to nowhere, call out her slashing of funding for special ed schools, call out her support of Ted Stevens, etc...
Her "maverick" and "reformer" characterization is pure bullshit.
Don't go after her on experience, go after her record.
September 4, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey - it all works for me.
AS far as I'm concerned - rip Sarah Palin to shreds.
But I still believe that Obama will find the right way to do this.l
September 4, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think for the campaign itself, this is the perfect response. Take the high road but highlight the distortions of Obama's plans and policies and the overall tone of divisiveness and partisanship. She's like the Anti-Obama.
Others can deal with the deliberate misrepresentations about herself that she made.
September 4, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is good to call out Palin's contradictions. It is important to tie it back to the bigger picture. The argument can't only be about Palin. It has to be about the implications of a McCain admin.
September 4, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do think she is so issue-challenged, the only faction she will appeal to is the radical right, so we really don't need to go after her, she is her own worst enemy, in terms of moderate voters.
Her dog-whistle works on the right wing, but it really pierces the eardrums of everyone else in a bad way. So I suggest that we let her have her wingnuts, and the rest will take the high-road away from her.
But no doubt, she will whip the wingnuts into a frenzy of foamy-mouthed idol-worship, even as they call us all sexists and misogynists as they wallow around in their blind faith.
Palin is quickly becoming the latest Great Red Herring of the wingnut base, and McCain hasn't benefited from it the way he imagined.
September 4, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely. Bigger Picture. Tie her failures to the exact same kind of failures under bush/mccain: lies, pork, abuse of power - things like that. Very important not to let her be the issue - but to tie her to the very kinds of scandals under bush. DoJ Firings = Troopergate. Etc.
September 4, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Huffington Post has an AP report by Jim Drinkard that chips away at her special view of reality...
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/god-love-jim-drinkard-the-ap.php
September 4, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Huffington Post has an AP report by Jim Drinkard that chips away at her special view of reality...I refer to it in a post
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/god-love-jim-drinkard-the-ap.php
September 4, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I tend to think the Obama camp is waiting to see what kind of traction her attacks get before they pour a lot of resources into hitting back and possibly getting distracted.
September 4, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
And as the calling out is happening' does anyone have verifiable information about her management as mayor? I saw one post stating she came to office without a city deficit and left the office with a very large deficit.... Is this true? If so another strong example of more of the Bush years.
September 4, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
My only problem with that is that any kind of sustained response to Gov. Palin's speech plays into the McCain strategy of making the race as much about her . . . thereby reconstructing a crucial dynamic of the Democratic primary contest that the Repugs hope to score off of . . . and takes much needed focus away from McCain's temperament and leadership abilities (or lack thereof), two themes Obama generated in his address last week.
Last night is likely the best (possibly the only) shot Palin will have until the VP debate. Unless she decides to start giving interviews or takes out after OBama in increasingly strident, self-discrediting rhetoric, there's little chance of her attacks enduring in the public memory (they're hardly fresh, you see). I mean, just because Republicans said her speech was a home run, that doesn't mean it really was.
September 4, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obvious to me that they've decided to play the victim card - whether Rudy or Sarah, just dripping with contempt, hoping to spark a harsh reaction and then play their trump cards "Liberal Media Culture" against all of us "little people" etc. ad nauseum.
What I took away also though was the crowd and the repeated chants of USA USA - which when added onto the staged speeches sounded more like a fascist rally than an American political convention.
Reading through other threads (eg WaPo comments) an awful Lot of people were more turned away than pushed back into the GOP column.
Need to be on guard against having the Change Mantle Co-opted away from the Democratic Message though....
September 4, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Need to whack the bridge to nowehere again, again and again
September 4, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed. The bridge to nowhere definitely leads somewhere: Sarah Palin's credibility.
http://thepajamapundit.com/
September 4, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to this article I found on Luara Rozen's blog, the 2008 national earmark rate (dollars per person) is $51 while the Alaskan rate is $500. In Wassila AK in 2002, Palin managed $1000 per resident in earmarks.
September 4, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is there any way in which she doesn't undercut McCain's entire stated reasons for running for President? No foreign policy experience, just tons of pork-barrel spending. She's a Bush/Cheney Republican.
Has McCain or his Senate office ever criticized any of the pork going to Wasilla or Alaska? I would not be surprised if he has. I hope someone digs that up.
September 4, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed. First Google Result, and it's up from a lot of different sources.
The Ads sort of Write Themselves regarding the intrepid Governor.
September 4, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha! Good work.
Here's more of the same, McCain criticizing her earmarks:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,2482434.story
September 4, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time to concentrate on McCain
Top of the ticket...always top of the ticket.
Palin's just given Obama the opportunity to counterpunch and freed Biden of any constraint he might have felt....keep the powder dry until Friday
September 4, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
The DNC and Obama absolutely need to turn the community organizer gun around and point it right back at her.
Paint her as out of touch for not understanding the importance of community organizers. Point out some of the most famous organizers like... say... Martin Luther King Jr. Hammer it until it's dead. Make America realize a mayor from a town of less than 9,000 doesn't know what a community organizer is because her town is so small it doesn't need one.
September 4, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like that. Another example of how they just don't get it.
September 4, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time to concentrate on McCain
Top of the ticket...always top of the ticket.
Palin's just given Obama the opportunity to counterpunch and freed Biden of any constraint he might have felt....keep the powder dry until Friday
September 4, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Palin can be rebutted, refuted, exposed as a liar and hypocrite, and dismissed as a card-carrying member of the American Taliban, but the Obama campaign should aim its firepower on McCain as more of the same, as a reckless hothead, and as a wimp who can't even stand up to the likes of James Dobson, Pat Robertson and Karl Rove when it comes to naming the veep he really wants.
September 4, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd suggest a healthy second helping of this: http://www.samefacts.com/archives/campaign_2008_/2008/09/palin_v_reality.php
September 4, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
What should come next? You guys should figure out a way for us to keep our avitars, so I know which assholes' opinions to skip. I kid.
Last night was nothing but bait, the republicans want Team Obama to pounce so the republicans can play the victim card and scream sexism. Keep our eyes on the prize, lets tie that noose around John McCain that is the Bush legacy. I'll say one thing, and I know this is just my inner John Grisham talking, but it would be great if Hillary would go on every talk show imaginable and mock the living shit out of Palin. I guess a guy can dream, huh?
September 4, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
...she will in 2012 when they're running against each other for President.
September 4, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
of the PTA?
September 4, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
...this is so much fun.
September 4, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you're predicting a McCain win and then something happens to him in office in order for that scenario to develop??
September 4, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope, he is predicting a one term pledge, which I bet he announces tonight as well.
September 4, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't see McCain taking a one-term pledge. What politician in the US would make himself/herself a lame duck on day one? Not only that, doesn't a one-term pledge bring McCain's age and health directly to the foreground?
September 4, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not expecting a pledge...just not a second run. He'll be 76 and 80 at the end of it. He'll pull a Johnson and let Palin have the reigns.
September 4, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
..she will have to do it now, or 2012 isn't a reality.
September 4, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Probably doesn't matter. These statements don't reach the public. Mostly they influence the MSM's coverage. Well, mostly print, I'd guess.
But the MSM already has enough reason to be ill-disposed towards Palin and the GOP.
If they could cook up a TV spot right quick, that'd be cool. But it'd have to be very quick, 'cuz the focus is gonna shift tonight..
September 4, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's never enough until you're sure it was enough. Axelrod's instinct is right. You have to paint her as a phony on this outsider/insider nonesense. I read yesterday she was trained by GOPAC. There's your lede. Link her to Gingrich and say she's a trained republican operative who learned Washington politics from the master of deceit. Never say her name without mentioning Gingrich. Everybody hates that guy, and if we can get him back on the news, it's a plus for democrats.
September 4, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's never enough until you're sure it was enough. Axelrod's instinct is right. You have to paint her as a phony on this outsider/insider nonesense. I read yesterday she was trained by GOPAC. There's your lede. Link her to Gingrich and say she's a trained republican operative who learned Washington politics from the master of deceit. Never say her name without mentioning Gingrich. Everybody hates that guy, and if we can get him back on the news, it's a plus for democrats.
September 4, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
North Dakota? McInsane is in serious trouble if this in play. I was a bit suspicous of polls from here a few months back but now? At thevery last it forces McInsane to go there and spend resources. At the worst if he loses ND this election will be a rout and pitbulls in lipstick will be laying in the dust riddled with Obama Matador spears
September 4, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. ColleyRankings now has ND in the "Obama flips" column.
September 4, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about this:
"And besides, America doesn't want a pitbull in the White House. It could damage the furniture."
September 4, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Use Palin against McCain on the judgment issue, but talk about her as little as possible. Axelrod got it about right, just did not pivot back to McCain
Repeat it non stop!
September 4, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
guys, we double posted, we're taking down the other one, so if you would keep thread here would be great
September 4, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
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September 4, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's time to start ignoring Palin. She's going to have a gaffe soon enough and then it will be time to pounce. Presidential elections are about the top of the ticket. Attack McCain.
http://pufferfish.typepad.com/
September 4, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Axe has got it right. Acknowledge, ridicule, and dismiss.
As has been pointed out elsewhere, Mean Girls hate being laughed at.
I went into this election season considering the prospect of McCain melting down. I Axelrod and Plouffe play their cards right, we may get a meltdown two-fer.
I'll say this every single day - Palin is in over her head. This ain't Alaska, she's not running for mayor of Wasilla, and Obama ain't some small-time librarian that she can jack around.
The Smackdown is coming.
September 4, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Co-sign this entire comment.
September 4, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
When Palin debates Biden, she will be on her own. And she will undoubtedly resort to personal attacks when she is unable to handle issue-related questions in a neutral setting. Which will result in her looking and acting even more juvenile than she did last night. She did nothing but inflame the right-wing rapid Repub base last night. She blew her opportunity to at least sound sensible on mainstream issues.
September 4, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
They should go after the stories of cronyism and abuse of power. The way she went after corrupt Republicans starts to feel like "House of Cards", where the wannabe Prime Minister dug up and used the dirt against everyone above him in his own party. I begin to suspect she saw corruption not as a cancer to be removed, but as a means to ascend to power.
September 4, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE6_zdeJ79E
A must watch video
September 4, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I could not agree with Humanity_Critic more. They're going to try to win this the same way Bush won it in 2004 - ignite the culture wars, inflame the base, and avoid talking about issues at all costs. The worst thing the Obama camp could do is elevate her beyond her station - she's the VP candidate, McCain is the Pres candidate, and all the attention should be on McCain.
They'll have to respond to her on a certain level if only because the flames she's throwing are certain to get press coverage, but if they can demonstrate and highlight Republican hypocrisy/distance/moral bankruptcy/et al by focusing insofar as possible on policy, I think they'll come out better than if they follow her into the gutter.
(Which is really a shame, because I'd love to sock that smug, condescending, snarky face right back to Alaska.)
September 4, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look - in my opinion, the worst thing ANYONE can do is try to anticipate what the other side will say about what you say.
That's what leads to paralysis of a campaign and losing.
Just say the truth - and to hell with a reaction.
Seriously.
September 4, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would go after her mayor position, zero deficit to major deficit for a town of 5000k at the time. Also her dismal preparedness to take over on day one. There is just no way the Republicans can defend her on that, as McCain's age is THE issue here.
September 4, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
More. Say she's LYING about fighting earmarks and back it up with facts and references. Then say that the American people are taking this election very seriously and are not going to be as gullible as McCain on this. Then smack her for serving on Ted Stevens' 527, the most corrupt member of the US Senate.
September 4, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
An enlightening look into the McCain strategy with Palin happened this morning on MSNBC. Nicolle Wallace was asked about Palin's foreign policy credentials. Her response: "Who cares?" Check it out: http://thinmansblog.blogspot.com/
September 4, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would also, as an Obama spokesperson, point out all the Republicans that have voiced her ill-preparedness for the VP slot, there are several on record as saying so. An ad on this would be good.
September 4, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with Andrew Sullivan. He says treat Palin like a bug and just go and attack McCain.
I think that is correct. She is a distraction from the issues that Obama is trying to address.
Attack McCain and attack him hard.
September 4, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
My suggestion? Hammer on this:
Bridge to Nowhere
Bridge to Nowhere
Bridge to Nowhere
Bridge to Nowhere
Rinse lather and repeat
People will get it, trust me
September 4, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
But Sarah Palin killed Bullwinkle and ate him!!
September 4, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
John Stewart show was fantastic: http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=184086
September 4, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jon Stewart is taking care of this better than anyone, you are right. Let him run amok!
September 4, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely. A MUST Watch! (at least the first two segments)
Fred Thompson as Foghorn Leghorn and Lieberman as Droopy Dog, has Rove clip praising Palin for her mayoral experience "of the second biggest city in Alaska" and hen the clip where he denigrates Kaine's experience as mayor of a town of 200,000. He had an O'Reilly clip defending Palin and pregnant teenage daughter juxtaposed with a clip of O'Reilly slamming Jamie Lynn Spears parents for being bad parents because their daughter was knocked up. Dick Morris condeming the blatant sexism of the media side by side Dick Morris slamming Hillary Clinton for hiding behind apron strings every time she was criticised. She had a top McCain aid doing the same thing, condemning treatment to Palin after slamming Hillary Clinton for her complaining about the issue during the primary. Finally he used Palin against herself on the same topic.
First two segments might have been the best coverage during this election campaign.
September 4, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Memo: Ignore her.
It's not about Palin.
It's about a struggling economy and never-ending war and eight years of Bush-McCain policies being *Enough*. It's about the $1500 health care credit, the $4000 tuition credit, the tax cut for 95% of Americans, about a government that gives us what we pay for.
Republicans are good at insults-- Obama will bring us results.
September 4, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin is the exact opposite of everything the McCain camp wants us to think she is.
She's a "reformer" who's currently under investigation for abusing her office.
She hates earmarks, except, no she really doesnt.
She claims to be a friend of families with special needs children, only she cuts programs that would actually help children with special needs.
the list goes on, i'm sure.
I'm just wondering when anyone will notice. But it appears the McCain camp has decided on a "hear no evil" strategy where they'll just pretend like none of that stuff is out there in the public and if they're ever asked about it they say the media is being "sexist".
September 4, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cultural ars dont work. They didnt work in 06 and since then the landscape has become even less favorable for them. McInsane is reaching for a trusted buoy in a storm the only problem is that has been replaced by lead weight called the economy
September 4, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sarah Barracuda has provided the inspiration for
Mel Brooks' next Broadway Musical:
SPRINGER TIME FOR REPUBLICANS AND THEOCRACY.
YUP! YUP!
September 4, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cultural wars dont work this time. They didnt work in 06 and since then the landscape has become even less favorable for them. McInsane is reaching for a trusted buoy in a storm the only problem is it has been replaced by lead weight called the economy
September 4, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin is the exact opposite of everything the McCain camp wants us to think she is.
She's a "reformer" who's currently under investigation for abusing her office.
She hates earmarks, except, no she really doesnt.
She claims to be a friend of families with special needs children, only she cuts programs that would actually help children with special needs.
the list goes on, i'm sure.
I'm just wondering when anyone will notice. But it appears the McCain camp has decided on a "hear no evil" strategy where they'll just pretend like none of that stuff is out there in the public and if they're ever asked about it they say the media is being "sexist".
September 4, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've noticed that her "trooper-gate" issue is starting to take hold in the press. The further you dig in to it, the guiltier she is of abuse of power. The natural line from that episode is: "if she abused her power as Governor, imagine the abuse she could commit as President".
September 4, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
But Sarah Palin killed Bullwinkle and ate him!!
September 4, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the Obama campaign should take this sexism crap head on.
Something like: "I know we'll be accused of sexism for pointing this out, but when Governor Palin talks about the bridge to nowhere, it's important for people to realize that she was most definitely for it, and took the money for it, but is claiming now that she was against it."
"I know we'll be accused of sexism for pointing this out, but Governor Palin's views on science, family planning, to name just a couple, are quite extreme."
And so on and so forth.
September 4, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
When Palin debates Biden, she will be on her own. And she will undoubtedly resort to personal attacks when she is unable to handle issue-related questions in a neutral setting. Which will result in her looking and acting even more juvenile than she did last night. She did nothing but inflame the right-wing rabid Repub base last night. She blew her opportunity to at least sound sensible on mainstream issues.
September 4, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
When Palin debates Biden, she will be on her own. And she will undoubtedly resort to personal attacks when she is unable to handle issue-related questions in a neutral setting. Which will result in her looking and acting even more juvenile than she did last night. She did nothing but inflame the right-wing rabid Repub base last night. She blew her opportunity to at least sound sensible on mainstream issues.
September 4, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
More Biden quotes... looks like they are trying to turn the whole sexist thing right back around in their favor
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/bidens-gloves-c.html
September 4, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Comments are still screwed up.
September 4, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jon Stewart was brilliant last night - do yourselves a favor and catch his first two segments. I don't know how to link to the show, but a Kos diary has the vids I believe -http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/4/112427/7366/516/586295
Fred Thompson as Foghorn Leghorn and Lieberman as Droopy Dog, has Rove clip praising Palin for her mayoral experience "of the second biggest city in Alaska" and hen the clip where he denigrates Kaine's experience as mayor of a town of 200,000. He had an O'Reilly clip defending Palin and pregnant teenage daughter juxtaposed with a clip of O'Reilly slamming Jamie Lynn Spears parents for being bad parents because their daughter was knocked up. Dick Morris condeming the blatant sexism of the media side by side Dick Morris slamming Hillary Clinton for hiding behind apron strings every time she was criticised. She had a top McCain aid doing the same thing, condemning treatment to Palin after slamming Hillary Clinton for her complaining about the issue during the primary. Finally he used Palin against herself on the same topic.
First two segments might have been the best coverage during this election campaign.
September 4, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
"""I know we'll be accused of sexism for pointing this out, but when Governor Palin talks about the bridge to nowhere, it's important for people to realize that she was most definitely for it, and took the money for it, but is claiming now that she was against it.""
Brilliant CT Voter, thats what I've been thinking.
September 4, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
It enrages me that prominent Republican WOMEN are claiming that questioning Palin's experience is sexist.
We now can't question anything about Palin? Seriously?
I hope the Dems do not take this lying down.
September 4, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
More Biden quotes... looks like they are trying to turn the whole sexist thing right back around in their favor
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/bidens-gloves-c.html
September 4, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like the "maybe that's what she was told" and "she had an assignment and she went out and discharged it" lines. Makes her sound less like a free-wheeling reformer and more like a well-scripted attack dog (with lipstick).
September 4, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was the part I noticed. She strikes me as robotic-not quite human.
September 4, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hit McCain's judgment again and again. When referring to Palin, be sympathetic. She didn't realize that now with the Internet, all her contradictions and false claims (Bridge to Nowhere) can be proven within minutes. She may have gotten used to firing people without just cause in Wasilla, but she didn't understand that governors can't go on witch hunts. Even though, for understandable reasons, this pit bull in lipstick was just trying to protect her family. She had no idea that in the big leagues, there are no conspiracies of silence, it's all under the microscope.
September 4, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sarah brings mooseburgers to the next Sedona BBQ, but won't let any of the elitist lefty media swing on the tire.
September 4, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
"maybe that's what she was told" is such a brilliantly subtle diss. Love it.
September 4, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Financial markets don't appear to like Palins speech...dow down 300 points
September 4, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right on, CT Voter --
a noun, a verb and sexism.
September 4, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look - in my opinion, the worst thing ANYONE can do is try to anticipate what the other side will say about what you say.
That's what leads to paralysis of a campaign and losing.
Just say the truth - and to hell with a reaction.
Seriously.
Ignoring her is also a mistake, IMO. Kerry ignored everything bad and look what happened.
September 4, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Financial markets don't appear to like Palins speech...dow down 300 points
September 4, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right on, CT Voter --
a noun, a verb and sexism.
September 4, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for the repeat!
September 4, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
A pit bull with lipstick or just more Republican bull with lipstick?
September 4, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I still don't get why the Obama campaign is out there hammering on two things about McCain:
1) His campaign is run by lobbyists, therefore he is anything but a reformer. That goes equally for Ted Stevens crony Palin.
2) His track record on foreign policy is appalling, from his "timetable" flip-flopping to his not knowing that Iran is Shia/Al Qaeda is Sunni. And any incompetence on this topic goes even more for Caribou Barbie.
If there is one lesson to be taken from Rove, it is attack your opponent on his perceived strength. When the perceived strengths are lies, that makes it even easier!!
But the Dems can't stop talking about McCain the honorable war hero. Sheesh.
September 4, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another thing about McCain's judgment: he seems to be thriving on the adrenaline rush that happens when an addict gets a hit. The guy belongs in Gamblers Anonymous.
September 4, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
The reliably conservative Economist is not fooled.
Read this less than flattering editorial on Palin and, more importantly, McCain's judgement in choosing her. This was also written "post speech". Hard to disagree with a word of it.
http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12066224
As for Alexrod's response: Right. Palin is a gnat. Treat her like one. Swat her away and keep the focus on McCain.
September 4, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can't wait to hear what Hillary & Bill have to say about all this.
I frequently argue via e-mail with folks from the Motherland (south-central lower Michigan, in other words, a drained swamp), and the Palin speech has them frothing at the mouth. However, they also quite realize it's a sham, but by god it's THEIR sham! Seriously, they freely admit it's not about the issues any more for them.
There exists a potential Masters Thesis on the connection between this development and the shared physchosis known as "The Rapture."
The inability to connect Sarah Palin to any issues is what will doom her.
Pax,
M.
September 4, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
A one-term pledge? With Sarah Palin as VP? PLEASE GOD LET IT HAPPEN!!! The country's first 70-30 election ...
September 4, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
70-30 hell- try 90-10.
I can see all kinds of high powered executives voting for this nitwit.
Yeah right.
September 4, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not expecting a pledge...just not a second run. He'll be 76 and 80 at the end of it. He'll pull a Johnson and let Palin have the reigns.
September 4, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but Humphrey lost.
September 4, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
DON'T ATTACK PALIN, it is a loosing proposition! This is the right response, just more of the same from a new face. The attack needs to be on John McCain, over and over again. To the rare extent Palin is mentioned, she's only important in that it shows McCain is a gambler with this nation's governance and security. Gambler should be a new line of attack: "Senator Obama has no intent of gambling our nations , while McCain has shown he will." Add this to the "same as Bush" line and the "what happened to the centrist McCain we all once admired and respected" line (that last delivered by surrogates) and we get beyond Palin. Lets face it, he got a rush bringing her up there, got hammered for 4 days which pushed them into the Right corner where they could count on party Faithful, and now he's positioned as SuperBush! Hill's voters are unimpressed generally (Chaos voters excluded) and the further shift Right only tarnishes the 'Maverick' label and allows "Gambler" to take its place.
THIS IS GREAT NEWS, FOR MCCAIN!!!!
September 4, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, this don't attack Palin stuff is bullshit.
Kerry played that way and lost.
Biden needs to get a lot tougher a lot faster.
September 4, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope the 'get out the redneck vote' effect of Mme Palin will be minimal, I have heard comments from the hoi polloi around town that make me very worried . . .
September 4, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
In her first 100 says, she'll have McCain killed, shave her head, sell California to Dubai, move the White House to Las Vegas, and make Putin wear latex.
Bill O'Reilly will be her personal eunuch.
McCain is a goner.
September 4, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
In her first 100 says, she'll have McCain killed, shave her head, sell California to Dubai, move the White House to Las Vegas, and make Putin wear latex.
Bill O'Reilly will be her personal eunuch.
McCain is a goner.
September 4, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
DON'T ATTACK PALIN! Who cares? She's the bulldog, with lipstick, fine. Let her bark. The attack needs to be continuously on McCain. Palin is important because it shows McCain is a gambler. He gambled on a political trick that would peel off HRC voters and shore up the base, but the withering fusillade she took in the last 4 days made McCain steer sharp Right, to the reliable base, and now he's SuperBush! Obama ought to continue the line that nothing he's seen in Palin or any of McCains decisions has shown he will change anything in Washington, sound like more of the same. But he, Obama, will not gamble on the American while McCain will. That word Gambler ought to replace Maverick after another month. Added to more of the same 90% of the time and debate performances, and highlighting the even more Right wing position of the other ticket will bring this home. THIS IS GREAT NEWS!! FOR MCCAIN!!!
September 4, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
sorry, forgot about html tags, the sentence should read "But he, Obama, will not gamble with Americas [insert issue here: economy, foreign policy, security, energy, etc] but McCain has shown he will."
September 4, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
My only problem with that is that any kind of sustained response to Gov. Palin's speech plays into the McCain strategy of making the race as much about her . . . thereby reconstructing a crucial dynamic of the Democratic primary contest that the Repugs hope to score off of . . . and takes much needed focus away from McCain's temperament and leadership abilities (or lack thereof), two themes Obama generated in his address last week.
Last night is likely the best (possibly the only) shot Palin will have until the VP debate. Unless she decides to start giving interviews or takes out after OBama in increasingly strident, self-discrediting rhetoric, there's little chance of her attacks enduring in the public memory (they're hardly fresh, you see). I mean, just because Republicans said her speech was a home run, that doesn't mean it really was.
September 4, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Check out www.adn.com for a couple of issues
untrue. This is the anchorage daily news and they
discuss items she stretched the truth about in her speech last night.
September 4, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think they've got just the right tone for now. Just keep holding up the mirror of truth, and she'll go slip-sliming down.
I think her speech last night fired up the 28 percenters who still think Bush is just fine and dandy, but I don't think she did herself any favors with the people in the middle. She didn't do anything to truly sell herself. She was just seemed mean and nasty and snarling and smirky, and that's going to turn a lot of people off.
September 4, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
In her first 100 says, she'll have McCain killed, shave her head, sell California to Dubai, move the White House to Las Vegas, and make Putin wear latex.
Bill O'Reilly will be her personal eunuch.
McCain is a goner.
September 4, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
The good thing about the tactics McCain has clearly settled on is that the Obama campaign and the Obama brand were custom built to withstand and even benefit from stuff like Rudy and Palin's aggression. The only danger is that Obama or someone in the campaign will lose their cool and create an opening, but the track record is pretty good on this.
I have always felt the campaign was at its strongest when under attack. It's a structure and a philosophy that doesn't show its true strength until it is forcefully attacked. Similar, in some ways to jujitsu (Wikipedia.org):
Jujutsu (柔術, jūjutsu), literally meaning the "art of softness", or "way of yielding" is a collective name for Japanese martial art styles consisting of grappling and striking techniques. Jujutsu evolved among the samurai of feudal Japan as a method for dispatching an armed and armored opponent in situations where the use of weapons was impractical or forbidden. Due to the difficulty of dispatching an armored opponent with striking techniques, the most efficient methods for neutralizing an enemy took the form of pins, joint locks, and throws. These techniques were developed around the principle of using an attacker's energy against him, rather than directly opposing it, and came to be known as jujutsu.[1]
Obama's campaign approach might also be compared to Ali's "rope-a-dope" strategy against Foreman.
The difference between Obama and Kerry and Dukakis is that he has set up a strategy whereby the attacks actually strengthen his case, at least for non-wingnut voters who are his target. Also, Obama has built a good ground game that can keep rolling no matter what happens with the MSM or anyone else. If the election comes down to small percentages, this can be the difference.
The only catch is that people need to be motivated to participate in the Obama campaign or it won't work. I think speeches like Rudy's and Palin's also benefit Obama in this way. Turn your anger into action: Donate, volunteer, campaign.
September 4, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would not "mis-underestimate" this VP candidate just as we shouldn't have "mis-underestimated" GW Bush as far as running a campaign is concerned.
Or more to the point, we should stop "over-estimating" the audience.
Sad, but true.
September 4, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry about all posts. Glitchy.
September 4, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would not "mis-underestimate" this VP candidate just as we shouldn't have "mis-underestimated" GW Bush as far as running a campaign is concerned.
Or more to the point, we should stop "over-estimating" the audience.
Sad, but true.
September 4, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't say she looks and sounds like a Washington politician. I'd say she looks, sounds and acts like a public servant handpicked by conservatives: Young, energetic, earnest, and corrupt. Think Goodling, or Sampson. This really is more of the same.
September 4, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Palin sounds more like a Washington political appointee: Well spoken, earnest, energetic, young,unqualified and corrupt. You know, a loyal Bushie. Think Goodling, or Sampson. This really is more of the same.
September 4, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would not "mis-underestimate" this VP candidate just as we shouldn't have "mis-underestimated" GW Bush as far as running a campaign is concerned.
Or more to the point, we should stop "over-estimating" the audience.
Sad, but true.
September 4, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I need AD'S AD'S AD'S. Ad's help control the narrative, why do you think the McCain camp creeped closer in the race, the controlled the narrative of the day by having new ad's everyday.
September 4, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Halfway through Sarah Palin’s speech tonight at the RNC, people following the speech noticed she was deviating from the prepared text.
According to sources close to the McCain campaign, the teleprompter continued scrolling during applause breaks.
As a result, half way through the speech, the speech had scrolled significantly from where Governor Palin was in the speech. The malfunction also occurred during Rudy Giuliani’s speech, explaining his significant deviations from his speech. Unfazed, Governor Palin continued, from memory, to deliver her speech without the teleprompter cued to the appropriate point in her speech.
Contrast this to Oilbama, called so for his vote for Dick Cheney's Energy Bill, who, when last his teleprompter malfunctioned, was left stuttering before a crowd unable to advance his speech until the problem was resolved.
September 4, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Halfway through Sarah Palin’s speech tonight at the RNC, people following the speech noticed she was deviating from the prepared text.
According to sources close to the McCain campaign, the teleprompter continued scrolling during applause breaks.
As a result, half way through the speech, the speech had scrolled significantly from where Governor Palin was in the speech. The malfunction also occurred during Rudy Giuliani’s speech, explaining his significant deviations from his speech. Unfazed, Governor Palin continued, from memory, to deliver her speech without the teleprompter cued to the appropriate point in her speech.
Contrast this to Oilbama, called so for his vote for Dick Cheney's Energy Bill, who, when last his teleprompter malfunctioned, was left stuttering before a crowd unable to advance his speech until the problem was resolved.
September 4, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Halfway through Sarah Palin’s speech tonight at the RNC, people following the speech noticed she was deviating from the prepared text.
According to sources close to the McCain campaign, the teleprompter continued scrolling during applause breaks.
As a result, half way through the speech, the speech had scrolled significantly from where Governor Palin was in the speech. The malfunction also occurred during Rudy Giuliani’s speech, explaining his significant deviations from his speech. Unfazed, Governor Palin continued, from memory, to deliver her speech without the teleprompter cued to the appropriate point in her speech.
Contrast this to Oilbama, called so for his vote for Dick Cheney's Energy Bill, who, when last his teleprompter malfunctioned, was left stuttering before a crowd unable to advance his speech until the problem was resolved.
September 4, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Halfway through Sarah Palin’s speech tonight at the RNC, people following the speech noticed she was deviating from the prepared text.
According to sources close to the McCain campaign, the teleprompter continued scrolling during applause breaks.
As a result, half way through the speech, the speech had scrolled significantly from where Governor Palin was in the speech. The malfunction also occurred during Rudy Giuliani’s speech, explaining his significant deviations from his speech. Unfazed, Governor Palin continued, from memory, to deliver her speech without the teleprompter cued to the appropriate point in her speech.
Contrast this to Oilbama, called so for his vote for Dick Cheney's Energy Bill, who, when last his teleprompter malfunctioned, was left stuttering before a crowd unable to advance his speech until the problem was resolved.
September 4, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is total B.S., a myth and a lie that the Right Wing Noise Machine is spreading to try to build up Palin's bogus aura. I have to say, though, troll, you're earning your pay.
September 4, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. Call them LIARS for the next two months. Call them on their bullsh*t. And whatever they do, persistently tie McCain/Palin to Bush!
September 4, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
i really think mccain camp do not wanna f#ck with axelrod,dude is a straight up beast,also this female political pundit today called sarah palin trailer trash and she the female version of ted nugent and dan quayle combine together,also joe biden is gonna rip palin apart,but u know who i think is gonna destroy palin?HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON,dont think for a second hillary havent forgot what palin said about her earlier this year,palin said i cant stand the clintons they r a bunch of whinners,dont ask whut u wish for because its gonna come back and bite u in the ass!!!!!OBAMA/BIDEN08!!!!
September 4, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
DemBillC,
Where did you learn that, Faux News?
It's not true. http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/The_teleprompter_did_not_break.html
September 4, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dem BillC,
Where did you learn that? Faux News?
It's not true:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/The_teleprompter_did_not_break.html
September 4, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dem BillC,
Where did you learn that? Faux News?
It's not true:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/The_teleprompter_did_not_break.html
September 4, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink