Wolfson: Hillary's Senior Advisers All Rejected Penn's Push For Xenophobic Campaign
I just reached former Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson to ask him for comment on Josh Green's big piece in The Atlantic reporting that chief Hillary strategist Mark Penn suggested a big effort to draw a contrast with Obama's "limited" roots to American values and culture, as Penn put it in a memo.
Wolfson's response: Penn's idea was a bad one, and all of Hillary's senior advisers rejected that approach.
"Mark had plenty of good ideas on the campaign," Wolfson said. "This was not in my opinion one of them. It was never seriously considered, in any way shape or form."
Wolfson insisted that Penn's approach wasn't ever a real topic of debate within Hillaryland.
"There were lots of long running debates within the campaign about strategy. This was not one of them," Wolfson continued. "I don't ever remember having a lengthy or serious conversation about this. None of her advisers supported this approach when presented with it."
Wolfson even insisted that Penn didn't continue to press for this approach: "In fairness to Mark, I don't remember him particularly pushing it," Wolfson said.
Josh Green's article reports that Hillary ultimately didn't adopt Penn's suggestions. "Clinton wisely chose not to go this route," Green wrote.
The question, of course, is how does the idea that senior advisers and Hillary rejected Penn's approach square with the fact that the Reverend Jeremiah Wright (along with other associations) became such a big issue in the campaign? Ultimately the media broke the Wright story, though that hardly rules out the possibility that some Hillary advisers were partly responsible for making that happen.
When the Wright story broke, the Hillary camp was initially reticent about it for a time, until Hillary herself responded to a question at an edit board meeting by saying: "He would not have been my pastor."
Of course, one could also argue that making an issue out of Wright is not necessarily synonymous with an all-out campaign to exploit Obama's "limited" roots in American values and culture, though they certainly have similar shading.















Ugh! Who cares?!?!
(Sorry, Greg.)
August 12, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
the mccain campaign cares, because im sure they are going to take what the clintons didn't use and apply it
Devastating McCain Video
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/devastating-mccain-video/
August 12, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rev. Wright is going to become a major issue in the GE come the fall. I think it's going to be the centerpiece of the McCain attack, and will be used to hit hard and often. Counter punching with Hagee and Parsley isn't going to be enough either.
Hopefully Obama has a complete defense campaign ready to go as soon as McCain "goes there".
August 12, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It'll be hard since McCain is on tape defending Obama over the Wright thing, and of course McCain has his own religious nutjob issues.
August 12, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jonze,
I agree with LuxVeritas, McCain has his own pastor problems, it would be a grave mistake for McCain to use the Rev.Wright nonsense as an issue, seriously.
August 12, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Jonze, what do you think about countering with G Gordon Liddy? McCain's friend, donor to his campaign, held a fundraiser for McCain at his house.. He once urged Branch davidians to shoot BATF agents in the head because they wear flak jackets, he idolized Adolf Hitler...:
From MediaMatters - "When he listened to Hitler on the radio, it "made me feel a strength inside I had never known before," he explains. "Hitler's sheer animal confidence and power of will [entranced me]. He sent an electric current through my body."
John McCain on Liddy's program in November: "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family. Its always a pleasure for me to come on your program Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."
August 12, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome news - now can we stop talking about it? This is getting ridiculous.
August 12, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's your site Greg, but my gut instinct is that a big chunk of the readers here are over the primaries and the Clinton psycho-drama and would love to move on from reading about Mark Penn or Howard Wolfson.
Sorry Greg, just my two cents. I could be wrong.
http://strategy08.wordpress.com
August 12, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, I'm sick of hearing about the Clintons and them trying to rewrite history to cover their asses. We've all moved on from the primaries, and this kind of stupid crap is not helpful for moving forward.
August 12, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I third that.
August 12, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. Let's move on.
Kudos to The Atlantic for their article.
August 12, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd rather see Greg and Eric posting on too many topics than too few.
BTW, excellent dialog with Greg on the white-chicks post.
August 12, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops. I meant the Evan Bayh post. Duh.
August 12, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Greg and Josh are are like Jack in _Brokeback Mountain_ when it comes to Hillary Clinton: "I wish I knew how to quit you!"
August 12, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn, ya think?
August 12, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
this is a way to say (again) that the race card was never used by sen. obama's opponents, that sen. obama used it to try to paint both sen. clinton (and surrogates) and sen. mccain (and surrogates) as racist.
"we didn't go the xenophobic route- we talked about it and thought about it, but we didn't go that route...so all those claims that we were running a racist campaign did not compare to what we were talking about in our meetings...we didn't end up using them and we ran a clean campaign" (pretty much how i see wolfson spinning this thing)
if the mccain gets accused by the media as being racist: "since the general campaign as kicked off, we have run a lighthearted and humorous campaign to highlight the obvious deficiencies in sen. obama's campaign. it has been he who has played the race card, and he also did so during the democrat(ic) primary against sen. clinton."
August 12, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
She lost.
Give it a fucking rest.
August 12, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please, please, Greg, do not put up his picture.
August 12, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wolfson: Hillary's Senior Advisers All Rejected Penn's Push For Xenophobic Campaign
And then they all claimed they had never even MET Mark Penn, and if they had, it was a long time ago, and there were lots of people at the party that night....
August 12, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
lol... 'bout sums it up. What a load of bs!
August 12, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have enough of Clinton's pscho drama
August 12, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am glad that I voted for "No Drama Obama".
August 12, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
No more pycho drama - please
August 12, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is not the only one doubling down on stupid!
August 12, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Penn's idea was undoubtedly despicable, but I'm not sure I agree with Josh Green that the Clintons were "wise" not to go with it. Distasteful as it would have been, it might well have worked. I strongly suspect that Bill's greatest regret is not taking the gloves off in January. Sure, it might have made him look like Orville Faubus, but if you're Bill Clinton, that's a lot better than losing.
August 12, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I still think there's some revisionism going on here.
Here are a few key quotes from the campaign (not in order):
1) "There's no -- [n]o, there is nothing to base that on, as far as I know." (re: "You don't believe that he's a Muslim -- or implying, right?") (Hillary Clinton)
2) African garb photos (courtesy of Clinton campaign; circulated right before crucial OH and TX primaries)
3) "I have no shame or no problem with people looking at Barack Obama in his native clothing, in the clothing of his country." "... we ought to be able to support their ability to wear the clothing of their nation." (Clinton surrogate Stephanie Tubbs-Jones)
4) “I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country.” (Bill Clinton)
5) "He would not have been my pastor." (Hillary Clinton)
Does that sound like a rejection of the xenophobia strategy to you?
August 12, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever, Howard.
The Clinton campaign just threw Mark Penn under the bus. Penn will be just fine, but the bus will never be the same.
August 12, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just when the Hillary supporters were getting use to the idea that BO is the nominee, she speaks, stoking, and some would say picking at the scab of the nomination fight.
The only think that shut the Clintons up is a win by BO in Nov 4.
August 12, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry but who the fuck is Hillary Clinton again? I know Wolfson and Penn are a couple of dipshits who helped sink a campaign, but this Clinton person doesn't really ring a bell. I have heard of Obama however, as he is the democratic nominee for president.
...moving on...
August 12, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's only the nominee because two states were disenfranchised, and many caucuses were fraudulent, and over-run by republicans who became temporary democrats to make an unelectable, green, dude the nominee.
August 12, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Made me lol. Michigan and Florida screwed the pooch, they weren't 'disenfranchised'. As far as Rush calling his troops to vote, he asked that they vote for Hillary, not Obama - so you're argument doesn't hold water. and finally, i would agree that the caucus system has flaws but it is not 'fraudulent'. If you are that tossed over Clinton still not making the grade, stfu already and vote McCain.
cheers.
August 12, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
BULLSHIT. Josh Green's article let Clinton off the hook on this, too (saying that Clinton never followed the advice "to her credit"). Does no one remember Clinton's prepared remarks following Obama's "bitter" comment? She said some version of "America" about 30 times in 3 minutes before going on to talk about learning to shoot with her grandpa, etc, etc, etc.
Briefly, it was exactly what Penn had suggested months earlier as a way that Clinton could racebait (or play to xenophobia if you want to be subtle about it) without getting in trouble. She did do this, and letting her off the hook for it for the sake of party unity a couple months later is fucking disgusting.
Frankly, Clinton's damned lucky to have Penn's memos leaked, because it shows her implementation of his advice to appeal to xenophobia to stop a few inches short of everything he'd advocated.
August 12, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
WOLFSON IS A LIAR....Hey Howard go back to your logcabin reTHUGlicn meetings where you belong....
This Wolfson/Clinton rehabilitation tour is becoming more pathetic by the minute...and if the progressives let them off the hook we deserve wat we get with these DLC friggin hacks!
August 12, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yet another homophobe speaks out at Talking Points Memo.
August 12, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why did you even call this bitter jerk? They guy is a soar loser working for Fox and still whining there. They lost. Obama won, and we have to win over the GOP. The past is over. We're going against McCain now, for God's sake.
August 12, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Think that Wolfsen is deluded but it sure puts clinton in the victum seat again....Her rabid supporters will take it and run and she has does nothing to quell these folks misplaced angst...Shameless
August 12, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ugh, that bloated bag of puss. You'd think someone so worried about images would lay off the twinkies and Champagne, but no.
August 12, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Green (and the rest of the media) appear to believe that Penn's advice was rejected. Didn't the Clinton campaign in fact adopt Penn's strategy after mid-March? Am I misrecollecting this? Didn't Hillary in fact incessantly emphasize her "middle America" bona fides, in implicit contrast with Obama's alleged lack thereof?
August 12, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
See my comment above. Hillary's getting let off the hook big time here, and I at least recall Howard Wolfson going on Morning Joe at least once a week in March and April backing her up when she was questioning Obama's American bona fides over and over again from March through June.
Starting in March, you have Hillary delivering a xenophobic appeal straight out of Penn's memo from the end of 2007 following Obama's "bitter" remark, Bill Clinton calling out Obama for "playing the race card", Clinton first making and then refusing to account for her "as far as I know" remark, Bill Clinton repeatedly calling Obama's campaign racist for the "D-Punjab" joke from a year earlier, Hillary making her "white... errrr... hardworking Americans" remark, etc, etc, etc. It's a laundry list, and it's utterly counterfactual to claim that Hillary didn't take Penn's advice.
Is it supposed to be admirable that she resisted running a race-baiting, xenophobic campaign until March/April when Penn had been advocating one since 2007? Are we supposed to credit Wolfson/Garin for holding Penn back until March when they stayed on for the ride and enabled his grotesque schtick during the endgame?
To me, turning to xenophobia as a last resort isn't somehow more appropriate then exploiting it as a matter of strategy up front. It's worse that she allowed her campaign to follow that path after she'd whittled her chances down to zero.
August 12, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
The difference between 2004 and 2008 elections is that in 2004, we did not see the perp who stole the election, until it was too late. This time the thief is clear and visible, AND she is one of us. Will she succeed?
August 12, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm so sick of Bill, Hillary, Mark, Howard, Lanny, Chelsea and whomever else I forgot to mention.
Please, please, please: no more, no mas, move on, walk on by, pass it up, give us a break.
We are all sick of them.
August 12, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg Sargent says:
Care to support this unsubstantiated smear with any facts, Greg? No? Of course not.
August 12, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, they did a damn fine impression of it!!! That's pure bullshit that they didn't question his patriotism or his even being American. Please.
The Clinton Rivival rolls on to the convention.
Why else would they be ramping this up now. There's more earth to scorch, yanno! Feh.
August 12, 2008 11:41 PM | Reply | Permalink