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Top McCain Adviser: Palin Will Learn National Security From McCain Before He Keels Over

We already noted this in today's roundup, but if anything deserves its own thread, this one does.

Check out how a top McCain adviser is now defending the decision to put Sarah Palin within reach of controlling the most powerful military in human history, despite McCain's own frequent claim that national security experience is essential in our next commander-in-chief...

Mr. McCain's advisers said Friday that Mr. McCain was well aware that Ms. Palin would be criticized for her lack of foreign policy experience, but that he viewed her as exceptionally talented and intelligent and that he felt she would be able to be educated quickly.

"She's going to learn national security at the foot of the master for the next four years, and most doctors think that he'll be around at least that long," said Charlie Black, one of Mr. McCain's top advisers, making light of concerns about Mr. McCain's health, which Mr. McCain's doctors reported as excellent in May.

Um, how reassuring. Better start cramming quick, Ms. Palin, the master's wisdom may not be accessible for much longer, and tragically, no one has yet thought to write it down for posterity...


Late Update: Ana Marie Cox: "HURRY, Sarah Palin, HURRY -- YOU MUST LEARN ABOUT IRAN NOW! THERE IS NOT MUCH TIME LEFT!"


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"...at the foot of the master..."

What a great image for feminists to dissect.

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It does rather call up the image of her curled up at her Master's feet, maybe in something slinky and revealing, and receiving the occasional pat on the head as she beams up at him, eager for his, um, pearls of wisdom.

Joking aside, she's a likable lady and politically talented. But the overall optics just scream Hail Mary Pass, as the Obamans put it, though "Roll of the Dice" is what I'd prefer.

Interesting symmetry, in that just as the DNC completes it's biggest push to remove the scary question mark from Obama's brand, the McCain crew goes out of their way to place a great big fat one on their candidate's. Is "High Roller" really what America is looking for in these already scary times? I kinda don't think so.

I get more of the Jabba the Hut w/her on a chain image, but...whatever.

Well, he IS Charlie Black's master -- so long as he pays the steep invoices Charlie submits, and makes Charlie look good to the foreign guys who pay him to lobby.

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This is just so----interesting. I do honestly feel as though I fell right into Wonderland yesterday.

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Like I said on the other board. The game plan is mcbush announces that he is only running for one term at the convention and is grooming palin. Why else say only 4 years? I'll bet a lunch on it. That would really shake things up and set up a battle royal in 2012 between the clintons and palin. That would get clinton voters to vote for mcbush. That my friends is the entire hail mary play, throwing in a flea flicker to boot.

Michael: His EGO is way too large to concede to four years, in my humble opinion.

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But, let it play out and then in year 4 of his first term, he has the option to say that gee, the country needs him to stay in and run for a second term. Shrewd rovian move. Just watch. I'll bet a lunch that's a big announcement next week.

Kristol unfortunately was right on palin and has been harping on the one term thing for months. Palin was a total unknown. When I heard palin's name about a month ago, I was like who in the f*ck is that? Maybe kristol is getting super, "double secret" talking points from mcbush.

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It's Kristol.

Dude - he doesn't know shit from shinola.


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I don't disagree on the bulk of the garbage he spews, but he has been picking palin for months and gee, who is the vp nominee palin. I couldn't believe mcbush picked her. Kristol isn't that smart to know who palin was unless it was fed to him.

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I get it - and now I agree with you.

LOL!!!!

I can't understand your incredulity that McCain picked her. He has picked two wives who were former beauty-contestants. And now he chooses a third.

Perfectly in character.

I agree that the beauty queen thing has something to do with it. That, and the fact that she's shorter than McCain, while Romney and Pawlenty, towered over him.

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mcbush announces that he is only running for one term at the convention and is grooming palin.

What you're suggesting would make his age much more acute of an issue--notwithstanding that off-message quote in the NYT they've done their best to keep it on the back burner, except to accuse the Dems of playing the age card. And it would put a huge amount of pressure on Palin. Suddenly her ability to take over would not be a hypothetical but a plan. She'd be effectively running for president, which would legitimize, hell, demand, much harsher questioning and scrutiny of her positions on everything from the economy to the Middle East. It would also call into question the whole GOP nomination process. What, they go through all that and then the guy they come up with comes right out and says "Hey, I really am too old for 2 terms but I'll do one! Then you can elect the lady I single-handedly picked for the next term!"

In short, I like the avatar a lot, but this is just too fanciful. I mean, I pray that they're this stupid and inept, but I sincerely doubt we're that lucky.

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Good argument. Why did black only say 4 years? Usually with these types of statements the mouth pieces always assume 8. They have been floating the one term gig for a long time now. I guess we'll see. However, the one term claim could be used to energize the pumas and try to draw in women voters to the mcbush ticket.

I don't understand this reference to an "age card."

The only reason to play one is that there is one to play, hence a valid concern. The implied suggestion that it is comparable to the "race card" or the "gender card" is bogus, since neither of those factors affect qualification to govern.

If he announces that he will be only serving one term, it will only bring more scrutiny of his decision to pick someone like Palin. The question he will have to answer is how is Palin a better choice than Rommney, Ridge, or even Kay Hutchinson?

John McCain is making a joke out of the process.

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I agree that mcbush is making a joke of the process, or his bushco handlers are. Romney and ridge would never get by the fundy base. Palin is on board with the fundies.

I actually thought that he might go with hutchinson, but apparently there is some major baggage out there on her. I am not sure, but I had heard something about a federal indictment and trial several years ago in texas. That wouldn't be a good thing. Also, hutchinson wants to be governor of texas.

This I do like: Top headline story on Yahoo.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080830/pl_politico/12997_6

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McCain could easily lose in an electoral landslide. That is the private view of Democrats and Republicans alike.

I bookmarked that page, Amelie.


This is the truth right here -

Palin is going to be much more dangerous to McCain than many people may now realize. The problems with her go far beyond foreign affairs experience. I would not be surprised if she was forced to withdraw, although I am not betting on it.

"McCain Just Lost the Election with a Hail Mary (or Political Ambition 21, Country 0)"
http://msa4.wordpress.com/

It's amazing that the Republicans can change the conversation almost at will and the Democrats are always left to catch up.

McCain has already won the CiC debate. I don't think Biden made a huge difference.

Now McCain is going after the "change Washington" debate and I'm sure he's going to try and turn Biden into a liability, a life-long insider.

This is the most amazing election we've ever had, from the campaign strategy point of view.

And I bet during their Convention, McCain will distance himself just enough from Bush to make the "Reformer" meme stick. He'll talk about reinvigorating the country, the party, etc.

McCain sure didn't CIC argument. He beat the POW meme to death. Now he is into WOW meme. We will see whether this will survive even the repugs convention.

McCain = Change ? Hah, Good joke.

Are you having a crush on this babe ?

You are a partisan, which is fine. I'm expressing an opinion about strategy.

And how does ever so cleverly "distance" himself from Bush when Bush and fellow neocons will be at the convention ? And What about Romney/Huckster delegates ?

(And of course I am partisan and am proud of it.)

I'm not really sure. I think he will distance himself on two fronts: record (Katrina, etc) and the party itself (reinvogorate, 21 century republicans, blah blah). It would be a hell of a dance for him, with the base there and all.

The same katrina when he was whooping it up with chimp with a birth day cake ? He will be booed out of the convention hall.

The one catch is that Palin has energized those on the far right, the ones who still approve of the Bush administration and the ones who will be the delegates in the hall. You got a zillion reporters who are going to be putting mikes into their faces all convention long. These people are not going to get the McCain memo about talking points. And then they're going to have to work hard to recover from Day One when both Cheney and Bush speak. The end result for the average viewer at home: mixed and muddled messages. And I don't expect McCain to drive a coherent vision for the future beyond the word "reform."

That's a ridiculous analysis. They picked Palin because they knew he couldn't win on the CiC/experience line so now they're trying to co-opt the "change" idea. Clinton did the exact same thing.

What on earth makes you think they "knew" they wouldn't win the CiC debate??? Every single poll I saw for weeks, including after Biden's pick, said voters trust mcCain more on national security. Maybe I missed something?

It wasn't that he wasn't winning that issue, but that winning that issue was going to win him the election. He had to become the Reformer.

Exactly.

Since the primary, this has been change vs. experience. Hillary went down in flames championing the experience card and McCain realized that he was destined for the same fate.

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Had the Republicans really wanted to "change the conversation", Palin would have been unveiled as the pick before the convention.

This pick shows quite a bit about McCain's decision making, and it's not reassuring.

I disagree. Doing before the convention would allow Obama to dominate the news today. He was gone from the news as soon as the convention was over.

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Yep. Huge smart media move doing it the day after obama's big speech. All we heard about on friday was speculation for hours and then palin, who in the f*ck is palin? It was as if the dem convention didn't even occur.

By the way, anybody see any "grand shots" of the arena where mcbush did his announcement? I didn't see one. Anybody have any word on how many were paid to show up? All there were were close up shots that I saw.

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Anybody have any word on how many were paid to show up?

Another pre-announcement topic of interest that got buried by the "WTF is a Sarah Palin?" buzz.

Transient advantage to McLecher; longer-term, I suspect not.

The boards here have been full of cackling over McFeeble's purportedly suicidal blunder.  Dunno if they're right; I hope so.  I've been a bit too insular to have checked out how it's playing in the MSM.

From what little I've seen and heard, it's playing pretty well -- for now.  But it has huge potential for deteriorating pretty quickly.

I hardly ever suffer the Sunday-morning tongue-waggers, but I may watch tomorrow.  The prospect of seeing so many right-wing heads explode is very tempting!

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Here's what Mark Halperin says:

Palin is a talented politician who has both support among conservatives and a compelling personal story. But her short resume in Alaska politics and her nonexistent national track record will make it impossible for McCain to argue with a straight face that she was the most qualified person he could have selected.

In the short term, the pick will create excitement among the kind of grass-roots conservatives who have never been enthusiastic about McCain, and in the media, which will be fascinated by Palin's good looks (matched by those of her dishy husband), intelligence and charm.

But Palin is now going to have to perform at a very high level to persuade the media and the public that she is truly ready to be a heartbeat away — and a 72-year-old's heart at that — from the presidency. How she handles questions about federal issues, national security and foreign affairs will be closely scrutinized, and her margin of error is next to zero

I don't characterize this as a positive evaluation of his pick.

Sorry, I forgot all about Halperin's crystal ball. Maybe we should just have him announce the results now, why wait until November?

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You're kind of a twit, you know?

The commenter wanted to know how it was playing in MSM. Halperin is sort of the posterboy for MSM. That's why I included it.

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You guys aren't looking past the ends of your noses.

Right now she's dominating the news. But once a little time goes by, a little more gets known - then everyone will begin to look at her and at Obama and remember his speech - since 38 million people tuned in - and that's when she's going to melt like the Wicked Witch of the West.


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Sorry, have to disagree. The "speech" is history. It will be remembered on youtube and that's about it. It's "old news."

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Reporters would have been all over asking every single last PUMA who they would now vote for. The conversation would have been entirely about Obama's possible problem with women voters.

It would have taken the spotlight away from Obama, and put it on McCain-Palin to a greater extent than anything else the McCain team did this week.

Missed opportunity. Instead, 41 million people, at least, got to hear Obama's speech, and the fact that the conversation is about Palin today doesn't really matter, because the conversation would have been about whoever the Veep pick was.

Yes exactly. That's why it would have been a waste of time to have announced her before the convention. I also read somewhere this morning that McCain didn't decided until after Hillary's and Bill's speeches, but that's obviously just a rumour.

The problem for McCain was that over 30 million people watched the speech, and anybody tuned to watch this stuff about her surely would be part of those that watched Obama. Obama doesn't need people to read about what they saw. Now he's doing the "all politics is local" part of the campaign and the hitting the airwaves with ads that build on the speech.

38M+ people watched Obama's Speech on Thursday - any analysis would have just shit all over it. This announcement allowed those to form and keep their own opinions on Obama and the Convention as a whole, rather than having it dissected to death, parsed and criticized.

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That's exactly right. The speech is frozen in the moment.

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Jonze--Absolutely right on. I was just looking for the right spot in the thread to make this exact same point.

The classic CorpMedia arc we've seen over and over and over again would, within 3 days, have encapsulated Obama's superb speech within an impenetrable cocoon of "really rather uninspired," "where was the substance," "ho hum, standard Dem stuff," "I thought he was supposed to be a great orator--what happened?" etc etc etc.

I was FULLY anticipating that, and not happily, even while watching the speech on PBS, and sure enough there was Brooksie at the end doing his utmost to piss on the parade with precisely that line. By Monday, Wednesday at the latest, Obama's speech would have been officially declared a Disappointment. Instead, I believe it very much did the work it was intended to do--to humanize him, show some of his inner steel and substantiate some of his vision. A lot MORE than 35 million people saw it, and now whatever impression they took away is their own and not the one that would have been generated and relentlessly reiterated by the Conventional Wisdom Machine.

For that reason I'm actually quite pleased about the timing of the Palin thing, especially since on the face of it it's such a roll of the dice, and therefore casts McCain in the frame of The High Roller Candidate. Maverick = the husband in Atlantic City betting the mortgage on those little black cubes. Is that the kind of leadership we're looking for in scary times like these? Not hardly. Especially when so many billions in mortgage bets are failing to pay off.

yep.

announcing the veep the day after the dem convention and obama's acceptance speech was naturally designed to throw cold water on any heat the dems generated with the convention and tamp down any post-convention bounce.

but two problems:

1. way too many people watched obama's speech (which incidentally was quite effective) and

2. mccain's pick was absolutely terrible

if mccain's pick had been within the realm of reasonable, it would have worked. it would have allowed the talking heads and punditsticks to say good things about mccain and his veep while also picking apart obama and his speech. instead, no room for tearing down obama. only room for very critical analysis of mccain and his running mate.

but if no one had watched obama's speech, the plan still would have worked because it would be like the speech and convention had never happened. instead they filled a football stadium(!!) and got more viewers than the olympics or the oscars or american idol. 'frozen in time,' as ctvoter said, is exactly right.

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"At the foot of the master"

This only reinforces what Sullivan said yesterday. McCain seems like her guardian.

Not exactly the image of capability, is it?

Any day the age of McCain is a topic of conversation is a bad day for McCain. And by picking this young looking individual, his age will be constantly highlighted whenever they appear together.

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well, i'm more worried about her learning how fun it is to threaten to bomb iran, how funny it is to say you want to kill Iranians by giving them cancer, how a great anti-terror strategy consists of invading a country that poses no threat to us, etc, etc, etc...

The thing that strikes me about choosing Palin over, say Hutchinson or Snowe or Collins, is they way it highlights just how central anti-choice positions are to the GOP. If you want a women as the VP pick, its more important that she be anti-choice than that she have any foreign policy experience whatsoever.

"...and most doctors think that he'll be around at least that long".

"Most"? Does that mean there are some who don't?

Man proposes, God disposes.

Apparently, many GOP leaders in AK think that she's in way over her head as Governor, let alone as VP. They're stunned, too.

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/

McCain's new meme is "putting country first". Let's see how he explains this choice in that context.

Actually, I keep asking myself why the fifth child at 43/44 years of age knowing that she had a 1 in 35 chance of having a Down's Syndrome child with abortion not being an option for her? Why take the risk of inflicting a child to a lifetime disability? I think that is, frankly, cruel and irresponsible.

Apparently rethugs don't practise what they preach righteously to others.

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Be that as it may, there's no percentage in that line of attack.

No, it wasn't meant to be a line of attack, that would be a horrible idea. It is just a question that I keep asking myself, and then I have to conclude she is just not too smart.

I think she probably belongs to the camp that take care of their terminally ill parents, when it would have been much simpler to abort them as well.

Are you out to lunch!

Take the advice of someone upthread - find something better to use your brain cells on.

What a convulted logic! Spoken like a true rethug.

My sister was born with a Down syndrome. My mother chose not to abort. She gave my sister the best life she can have.

According to you, it would have been better to give her no life at all? According to you, she's cruel and irresponsible?

I don't think this is a one-liner debate, so please shut the fuck up, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Temper, Temper. Just like your candidate.

Lalo, here's the point: In Klondike Barbie's America, NO WOMAN would ever have this wonderful "choice" she supposedly made.

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No - here's the point:

If you are going to be anti-abortion and have a litter of kids, then you are by god responsible for them.

One child with Downs, and another born without a soul. Your poor mother.

ow. yeesh.

this debate is mute, its not her daughter, its her granddaughter:

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-69834

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Amelie--you raise a legitimate question at first but I think unfortunately skewed it and the whole sub-thread along with by turning it toward abortion rather than contraception. Doesn't this really go to her views on birth control? Atrios occasionally points out that one of the things that never gets sufficiently teased out in the views of prominent pro-lifers is whether it isn't really about artificial means of contraception with them, not abortion. I WISH that the Meedia would grill these people on Griswold for once, rather than Roe. That, after all, was where the privacy right was first annunciated, in the context of a law banning contraceptives not abortions. Which makes it a much better test of the extremism of these people's positions.

Did she have the 5th child because she's against the use of artificial contraceptives? If the answer is yes, that's going to put her WAYYYYYY farther outside the mainstream than her views on abortion.

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Ackkk--"enunciated." Wish this thing had "preview."

no, she isn't publicly opposed to contraception. she's supposedly anti-abortion/pro-contraception.

but whether her and her husband actually use contraception and practice responsible family planning is another question. (even if it's not really all that significant of a question.)

you'll probably never prove that her baby was an irresponsible 'accident' but did she really plan to get pregnant just a couple months after she was elected governor?? when she didn't even tell her staff about it until she was seven months along??

forget about her ideological obligation to having the baby even though it had down's (for her, terminating any pregnancy is not a 'choice' so any suggestion that she made 'the choice' to have the baby even though she knew it had down's should be absolutely offensive to anyone who actually supports choice). her 'decision' to get pregnant in the first place is a much more important question.

No man is promised tomorrow.

I don't care how old John McCain's mother is. There is not a shred of scientific evidence that she has passed on her longevity genes to her son. His father died at the age of seventy one, and John just as easily might have been bestowed with his father's genes.

Not necessarily croaking either, stroking out strong possibility.

Tomorrow is promised to nobody, not your or I, not Joe Biden, Barack Obama or John McCain. The most important role of a VP is to be ready to be President on DAY ONE.

This quote admits that Sarah Palin isn't ready on Day One.

And foot of the master who confused Sunni and Shia one a few occasions, so it simply wasn't a misspeak.

Obama/Biden should use this opportunity to attack the master on his foreign policy understanding.

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that's odd, because according to the Social Security mortality tables, there is a 15% chance that John McCain could DIE before he's 73.

And as he gets older, the odds, of course increase.

I also read stats that POW's die younger due to malnutrition and lack of proper medical treatment, sad but true.

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Dunno if that applies to Johnny POW. Some say that he bargained for good health care while in captivity.

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... there is a 15% chance that John McCain could DIE before he's 73.

OMFG.  That works out to just a 45% chance of surviving the next four years.  Translation:  He will probably die.

Of course, the real probability is either 0% or 100%; we just don't know which it is.  The "odds" are just estimates of confidence in either guess based on what we think we know.  In a real sense, they're measures of our knowledge and ignorance.

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well, we know how long people live. and we can estimate based on how long other 72 yr olds live, about how long john mccain will live.

is it an exact science? no. but i think it becomes a huge issue now that he picked someone like Palin. If he had picked someone QUALIFIED like, Ridge, or Hutchison, or even Lieberman then his age and life expectancy wouldn't (and shouldn't) be an issue.

But now that he wantsto trust the fate of our nation in a time of unprecedented crises, two wars, terrorism, economic upheavel, to someone who wasn't even in elected office when john mccain started this campaign, it IS on the table.

In my opinion, it would be irresponsible NOT to make it an issue now.

Just to reinforce that there are so many people who don't 'get' this choice. I woke up thinking it must be a fake out. He uses her to give himself a chance of getting elected. It's a longshot but he doesn't have much else. And then if he wins, she withdraws for 'family' reasons and he names Lieberman which is what he wanted. His party won't let him have Lieberman and this is the only way to get what he wants. It's easier to believe something like this than to believe McCain actually plans to govern with this woman who is already 'sretched' trying to learn how to be governor of Alaska, a large state but it only has the population of a large city.

I just can't believe this is not some kind of fake or joke. However many republicans including Pat Buchanan are getting excited about her. If Senator Obama had made a pick like this they would have cleaned his clock but good by now.

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I've seen this theory thrown about practically since the choice was announced.

But everyone is assuming it'll just happen, without looking at the ruthlessness both Mrs. and Mr. Palin have exhibited on a small scale up in Alaska.

Does anyone really believe - provided McCain actually wins this thing - that Palin would simply step aside and let someone else take her office away from her? Do you think her husband's vindictive streak wouldn't come into play?

C'mon. Look objectively at this. These two are Tonya Harding and Jeff Gilooly minus the fucking skates. No way would they campaign to win the second highest office in the country - and all the perks that would accompany it - and just hand it back. They've exhibited far too much nasty ambition and pettiness for me to believe they were even capable of such acquiesense.

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These two are Tonya Harding and Jeff Gilooly minus the fucking skates.

Best damn comment in the entire thread.

Well done!

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Thx, CT.

I just find it hard to believe that these two people, who have spent their entire public lives bullying underlings and maneuvering for personal gain would just go through two months of campaigning, (possibly) win the Second Biggest Prize, then turn around and pass the keys off to Lieberman or whoever.

It would be closer to type for these two to bribe McCain with dirt they'd be privy to during the campaign in order to hold on to the prize, if past performance is any indicator.

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o co-sign.

I wish I'd thought that up myself!

Right...they're Tonya and Jeff without the skates, but WITH the baseball bat for kneecapping.

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Is Uncle Joe going to be sitting in on those lessons, too? I mean, somebody's got to help McCain keep track of those little details like which groups are Sunnis and which are Shia, which countries actually border one another, and which countries like Czechoslovakia have ceased to exist.

McCain would rather win an election than name a competent VP running mate.

i smell an eagleton.

i don't think she will make it until the election.

they didn't vet her well.


Only way she could get out with McCain saving face would be for her to drop out for family reasons.

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Only way she could get out with McCain saving face...

She may have to get out without McFeeble saving face.

If she quits (thrown off the Flat Tire Express), it'll be because of huge pressure, and that'll make any "family considerations" explanation such a joke that it won't fly.

I don't expect this to happen, but I'd give it better odds than others.

"HURRY, Sarah Palin, HURRY -- YOU MUST LEARN ABOUT IRAN NOW! THERE IS NOT MUCH TIME LEFT!"

This is a prelude to the late night comedians' scripts. At some point, people will stop asking about experience, which is a distraction, and focus on preparedness.

Obama, even with less experience, is prepared. He can cite a record of judgment and discuss the issues with nuance, offering a real agenda for change. This ex-beauty queen will not be able to answer questions coherently even if they wire her Amy Winehouse hair to radio the answers to her.

even with less experience than McCain

Actuarial Charts show that men, who have been deprived of having their own kitchen table for five or more years, rarely live beyond the age of seventy three.

Palin is becoming a joke. I don't know what more I can add to that, but I'm noticing already how much of a joke the "moose" are becoming in relation to her. And now Black's statement. Ana Marie Cox's short (but sweet) analysis of the situation is more evidence.

Palin is a gimmick and a joke, and she's now turning McCain's campaign into the joke it should've been recognized for months ago.

On the Palin pick:

McCain has oftern been quoted saying that the job of the Vice-President is to do two things:

1) inquire daily about the health of the President, and

2) attend ceremonial events, i.e. funerals.

This was a Hail Mary, political pick--a cave to the Right Wing of the Republican Party.

It may be that the only funeral Sarah Palin attends as the Republican VP pick, is Jon McCain's political funeral.

We'll all be waiting to see if the Hail Mary works.

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Let's face it. This was a pick to shore up the base, and get the base energized, which is very revealing.

It's not going to be the cakewalk many people seem to think, either, campaigning against Palin, thanks to the issues raised by the Clinton campaign about media bias and sexism.

I just wonder, though, how Palin herself will react to the intense media coverage she's going to receive. This ain't Alaska, and this ain't beanball. I don't care that she was known as "Barracuda Sarah" in Anchorage. The national media is a whole different animal from press in Alaska.

Her advice to Clinton was - it's inevitable, so just ignore it and don't complain. We'll see if she follows it herself.

We'll see, but the press in the end are like sharks when they smell blood in the water. There are lots of reporters out there who want to be the first to give her the question that leads to the mega-gaffe.

True but the McCain campaign has already been practicing the art of keeping the old man away from the national press to avoid gaffes. They will surely do the same for Sarah Palin.

She's pretty much in a basement somewhere until it's time to bring her out in extremely controlled environments.

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Except that McCain has been innoculated by having built up his story of being a war hero, POW, maverick, etc., and is a consumate insider who has gotten reciprocal ingratiation with the media. Palin comes with none of that, basically a blank slate as far as the national media is concerned, and some unseemly baggage. I know enough not to actually expect them to do their job, but I wouldn't be surprised if they tear into her.

I think that over the next couple of weeks, more and more "dark side" facts are going to emerge about Sarah, and even more about hubby..............it will be a trickle that will turn into a steady stream......and i really think that she will drop out.......it makes sense that she would cite family responsibilities as a reason, but I just don't see her being the VP nominee on election day. I don't have any inside info, this pick just seems doomed.

At least, I hope it is.

Sarah Palin monitoring the health of McCain:

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/W/G/2/mcain-palin-nurse.jpg

Heeeheee - that is priceless, especially with those grinning expressions! That cracked me up - thanks for the laughs, Liam!

BTW, how is the McCain balls checker, Uncle Joe handling on hearing this pick ? Anyone heard a pip from him ? He was so set on becoming Mcinsane's side kick.

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Let me sum up what I think about all this:

Right now, it has been a good PR move for McLame. For about 3 days.

McLame is playing the short game.

Barrack Obama has proved over and over that he's playing the long game.

And it is taking him all the way.

Nailed it. This pop will fizzle shortly and the implication will hit Mcinsane big time.

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Using the golf analogy, you drive for show and put for dough. We'll have to see how it plays out, but these guys have been kicking our asses since 1980 and they know what they are doing. The clintons only won in 92 and 96 because of perot. We haven't had a straight dem win since 1976 and in the wake of watergate. They obviously know how to play the game.

Luckily we have obama, who has run the greatest campaign probably in history, so we shall see. However, obama needs to improve his short game. He is getting hammered in the daily news cycles and has been since the rove guy took over mcbush's campaign.

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We won in 2006 Why the hell is it that every time this comes up - and it comes up all the time, y'all Eeyore's conveniently forget that we Won in 2006?

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Simple, 2006 is easily explainable. Not many people vote in off year elections. The republican base was demoralized and dems were energized. We are talking a presidential election when more people will be voting and the king won't be on the ticket.

Don't get me wrong, I did say that obama has run an incredible campaign. He is just losing the short game daily news cycle. I don't think people generally pay as much attention as political junkies and activists.

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He is just losing the short game daily news cycle.

Just stop it. OK? We've just had a week where Obama dominated the daily news cycle, and where 41 million people, at least, tuned in to hear his acceptance speech.

McCain was going to get this attention now, because he was going to reveal his Veep pick. There wasn't any way for Obama to be the center of attention at this point unless he came out and said something inflammatory about McCain-Palin. And you and I both know he wasn't about to do that.

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I agree with your points. I was referring up to the biden announcement. We all know that the obama campaign has been getting hammered in the daily news cycle. Also, we all know that the news cycle will be dominated by the republicans through next week, except for the hurricane news. After next week, hopefully the dynamic will change.

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And don't forget, Obama's in Ohio right now. Right where he needs to be. Just because he isn't dominating national news for a day or two doesn't mean he's not getting the coverage where it counts.

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There was record turnout, ya idjit!"

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For an off year election there was. 80 million people voted. 42 million for dems and 35 million for republicans, like I said depressed republican base.

In 2004, 122 million people voted. 62 million for the king and 59 million for kerry, the most votes ever obtained by a dem candidate as kerry liked to keep saying; however, it doesn't matter since as we all know he lost.

42 million more people voted in 04, than in 06 and I would expect that this year the turnout will be even greater.

Bottom line, this isn't in the bag, it's looking good, but it's not in the bag.

Idjit Eyeore.

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To continue the golf analogy: putting don't mean shit if you spend all your time trying to get out of the bunker.

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That's a good one. Let's hope the obama campaign kicks their ball in the bunker by "accident."

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Well, I certainly don't wish any ill on anybody, but it is strange. Gustav is now a cat 4 and is just starting to enter the gulf, where it will get stronger, and is barrelling down on new orleans. This is horrible for the people; however, it truly is amazing the timing. It's going to hit on the first day of the republican convention. It really makes you wonder about "intelligent design," doesn't it?

Karma is a bitch, ain't it ?

So is split-screen TV reporting.

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You know, wow! That will be devastating. Talk about karma. Actually, I have the news on and they are reporting, and I use that term loosely, that it is really gaining steam. It could be worse than katrina. Holy cow! Luckily I also heard that they are evacuating new orleans right now to make sure everyone is out. This could be devastating for new orleans.

Will the republicans watch the Gustav landing in their big ass convention TV? That will connect will hard working americans.

PD: I want that TV so bad. Checking on Best Buy...

Well, it's just not serious any longer. I was hoping for a real debate, but we are not going to get it. She makes a purty couch cozy for the veep's office, but remains manifestly unqualified to be school principal, much less high federal office.

Where are the books she's written? The law review articles? The scholarship? The legislation she's written? The policy positions? The commitment to public service?

Why not nominate Monica Goodling?

Abandoning her 4-month old baby will be going over like farts in church. I gotcher family values.

Tom Ridge would have been real trouble. We may see him yet. My money is on Eagleton Redux.

This is just not serious. McPastit will be loosing in a landslide.

Pax,
M.

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Word to your mother!

McCain/Palin = Regis/Kelly

Todd Palin sat in on a bunch of "Meetings with the Governor" it seems. Folks would have a meeting set-up with Gov. Palin only to find Todd sitting in as well. Furthermore it seems he was cc'd every official email sent to Gov. Palin office.

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This had best be handled with kid gloves, because it could be twisted around as sexism.

I hope "at the feet of" doesn't mean "on her knees"

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Un. Fucking. Believable.

Palin is just a few Brain cells away from the US Pesidency.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZu7kioXqyY

I'm listening to the Tavis Smiley radio show and I'm taken aback by how his guests Julianne Malveaux and Cornel West are bashing Obama's speech as basically a failure, Malveaux especially who is particularly effusive of the Clintons. They're both pushing the line that Obama was rejecting his African American heritage by not mentioning MLK by name, etc. Malveaux appears delusional saying that Obama is in danger of losing the the black vote and the young vote and suggested that no one came out of the stadium on fire. The woman is insane.

peaches Ta Ne-Hesi at The Atlantic has something on this from Thursday night. Worth a read. Tavis and Malveaux have been very critical of Obama from the beginning.

Tavis Smiley is an ass. He's been harping on Obama seemingly forever. Pure Obama-basher.

What is it about Obama that makes a few people furious? Is it jealousy?

so it appears that McCain told Wallace on Fox (appearing tomorrow) that Palin is his 'soulmate'
hmmmm.

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Seriously? He's met her twice, and he knew that she was his soulmate?

Aside from the sheer stupidity of that remark (so reminiscent of Bush and Putin, isn't it, and that worked out pretty good for all of us, didn't it?) WHAT'S CINDY LOU GOING TO SAY ABOUT THAT???

One really does have to wonder how Cindy feels about Sara.

Palin referred to Cindy as "Mrs. McCain" yesterday at the unveiling...

And how did Cindy hurt her arm? Taking a swing at Johnny?

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Ménage-à-trois? Hope McFeeble's heart can take it!

I finally saw video of his introduction of her. WTF? He looked like he didn't even know who he was talking about. Number one, he hasn't even mastered the teleprompter so he has to use notes which makes him look senile. But take a look at the video starting at around 8:40. He has to look down at his notes right before he says her name. This guy doesn't even know who his vice president will be!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKByFPy7-RU

McCain is a cheap, selfish, SON OF A BITCH who would endanger the security of the United States on the off chance he will be elected president.

Ike is rolling in his grave at the thought...where are the rational Republicans???

I hope we're not just hearing from the "rational Republicans", or that they are being drowned out by the wingnuts who view politics as a sporting event and it's all about "their side" winning the "game".

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where are the rational Republicans???

There are handful left, and they're saying nice things about Barrack Obama.

Did you know you have the reply function blocked?

Yeah, and I have no idea why that is. Checked my profile but no dice. Ideas? I kinda feel wierd bothering the folks at TPM about it...

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I think it's because LBJ's Brain has an apostrophe in it.  It confuses the javascript reply function.

What does it say about HER political judgement to want to get on HIS ticket...???

Check this out:

Former House Speaker Gail Phillips, a Republican political leader who has clashed with Palin in the past, was shocked when she heard the news Friday morning with her husband, Walt.

"I said to Walt, 'This can't be happening, because his advance team didn't come to Alaska to check her out," Phillips said.

Phillips has been active in the Ted Stevens re-election steering committee and remains in close touch with Sen. Lisa Murkowski and other party leaders, and she said nobody had heard anything about McCain's people doing research on his prospective running mate.

He didn't even vet her!

We can only hope. A few set of candid photos that make their way onto the set of tubes. That would be hilarious. We already know she's smoked dope. I wonder how her base feels about that.

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LBJ'sbrain - wish I could help. I had so much trouble with my profile that I won't even open the page since TPM help me fix it.

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Thanks. We'll "muddle thru"...

"She's going to learn national security at the foot of the master for the next four years, and most doctors think that he'll be around at least that long,"

Obi-Wan was right: Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Way to win over that Hillary vote, Charlie Black: the image of a woman sitting or kneeling at the "foot of the Master".

Tangentially, I think the backstory of the Palin pick is that, once again, national polls are not to be entirely trusted. By all accounts, McCain had closed with Obama until just before the convention -- in fact, I think Gallup's Tracking Poll showed a one-day, one-point lead for McCain last weekend.

But the Palin pick suggests that the McCain camp has been doing their own internal polling, and don't like what they see. Otherwise, why completely change a successful strategy, which was to attack Obama's so-called "lack of experience"? Hell, McCain had tied the guy with that meme! Right? Sure, Obama would get a Dem Convention bounce, but presumably the Rep Convention -- presumably 4 days of a forceful attack against Obama's inexperience -- would've evened it back out. Right?

Apparently not. Why else would the McCain camp just throw their one tactically successful message out the window? Because it must not be working, down in the weeds, district by district.

So now they've turned it into a pure ideological war. Science vs. 7000-year-old Planet Earth. Etc, etc.

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Thanks. We'll "muddle thru"...

That's almost a bumper sticker for McCain-Palin.

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LBJ? This is going to sound really stupid, but could it be the apostrephe in your name?

There was a really offensive troll who had disabled the replies, and that person had either an apostrephe or a quote mark in the name....

That is the reason. I've noticed you can't reply to a few and all have an apostrophe in their handle.

Thanks I'll give it a shot...

Damb! It worked! You rock. Now let's kick some dumbass GOP tail...

I've tried several ways to post the following, stymied each time by busted site:

*What kind of woman moves to vote with Palin?*

1. The politically disengaged: They don’t follow this much, they kind of like McCain anyway, and now, it just sounds kind of interesting! Plus they’ve seen her on TV and they kind of like her! Potential big vote. (A sub-group of these people are the truly stupid, but that’s not all of them; also *contrarians*: I think we just need something new!)
2. The not-too-bright: Barbie is a beauty contestant, leads the basketball team, then Barbie becomes a sportscaster, poses in Vogue, and becomes Governor. It’s a whole Barbie set, $99.95. Don’t you believe women aren’t attracted to this.
3. PUMA dead-enders. “A man convinced against his will is of his old opinion still.” Some still search for reasons to vote for McCain, despite Hillary’s entreaty. Some are so angry, and incredibly, not against the wealthy un-American usurpers in the White House, but against community organizer Barack Obama. None so blind as those who have eyes and will not see.
4. “Gender feminists”: Excruciatingly polite term for man-hater, misandrist. Got more misandrists per capita in United States than anywhere else. A fairly small vote in themselves, but they partly influence other women’s views (“Why are men such pigs?”).
5. Base +: Otherwise unenergized Republican/rural/Christians, Holy Rollers who might have stayed home. Not that many probably, but every vote counts.
6. Sanctimonious: Catholic abortion-haters, one-issue voters. Biden appeals to Catholics but the real one-issue anti-abortionists go with this dame.
7. The Uninformed: Undecideds who could have been persuaded that their gender was being exploited and that this women was the gender equivalent of an Uncle Tom, not to mention wholly unqualified, but didn’t receive word.

Keep in mind as well that hubby Todd, for all his many endearing qualities, is a blue collar union man,,,,,,, perhaps Gramps wants him on the campaign trail more than boopsy little Sarah.

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O, hey - a shout out to whoever it is that straightened the blog out. May you have peace and prosperity, especially if the fix lasts.

Hey, here's a quote from Sullivan. Tena, you may like this.

"men have a favorable imperssion of Palin by a 35-point margin, whereas women have a favorable impression of her by an 18-point margin. Conversely, by a 23-point margin, women do not think Palin is ready to be President, whereas Palin lost this question among men by a considerably smaller 6-point margin."

Hmm. Maybe women aren't as gullible as John McCain thinks.

On the other hand, men do seem to be pretty gullible . . .

The original figures are from five-thirty-eight.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/women-more-skeptical-of-palin-than-men.html

I guess we should have predicted this from the chatter on TPMEC. Female posters have been more skeptical of Palin, and male posters have been behaving strangely . . .

Might be an angle we could use.

If men are all about her looks, then she'll alienate all the ugly chicks. They hate pretty girls.

I guess that's snark -- since the key seems to be that the *smart* chicks recognize *unqualified* girls without needing to check on the male response at all.

We never had a need to worry about the smart chicks, we have to worry about the stupid ones. The ones who saw the Bin Laden tape the weekend before the 2004 election and ran scared into the arms of Bush. They cast votes, lots of them.

Or they want to appear open-minded because they think it will get them laid.

That or they think she's hot.

What?!? Wait a sec. If I'm getting this correctly, you actually think men might judge a woman as being more impressive and readier to lead just because she happens to have good bone structure and sharp glasses? And wears fur? And can shoot a rifle while standing up in a snowmobile?

Crazy talk, I tell you.

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It was an assault rifle, probably converted to fully automatic. . . . . and she is a hunter. Wow, talk about sexy!

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Maurice Minnifield finally finds someone to replace his lost beauty-contest queen, Shelly Tambeau!

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O my god Jonze - we were sharing the same mind for a minute!


roflmao!!!!!!!!!!

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Give it time - men are still dazzled by her looks.

They are thinking below the belt.


Women are a lot smarter about women than men are.

Yep, women are smarter about women. Correctimundo.

Site's still broken by the way.

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thank you.

I was trying to say that last night and I inadvertently hurt ChronoSpark's feelings and I feel awful about it. I adore Chronospark.

But guys are clueless about some aspects of women that other women get very well indeed.

There is a whole type of woman my mother told me to watch for and Sarah Palin is in that category. Goddamn! my mother was smart.


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watch out for

You know what I find ironic is the "journos" like Campbell Brown & Andrea Mitchell, who throughout the election cycle were harping on Obama's experience, have a expression of WTF on McCain's decision on their faces. And especially as women to see an unqualified women being picked instead of Hutchinson, Snowe etc.

I meant "unqualified woman"

Yeah. Andrea Mitchell looked like she had indigestion. But to be fair, Chuck Todd looked pretty apologetic as well.

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Yup.

And just think - he met her once, talked to her on the phone once and that was it.


This man is running for president and leader of the free world and this is how he makes decisions?

For me, this is the bottom line:

Because of his advanced age, there is a very real chance that McCain could be stricken by a disabling medical condition or, God forbid, even die in office.

Who would then be commander in chief and in charge of national security? A totally unknown and untested political rookie, a young woman who was selected by the president, not by anyone's vote.

It's utter insanity. And as dangerous as it gets.
I feel sick....

You got it. I'm livid.

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And look! People can now reply directly to you....be careful what you wish for!

Ha! Too true...

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But, but thank God, she is a hard right, rabidly anti-abortion, the earth is flat, global warming doesn't exist, and we can drill our way out of anything right-wing looney toon. Praise the Lord, the nation will be in God's hands then.

Your post is almost is almost as good as your avatar!

Thank you, I do have fun. I was looking for the movie poster for Gidget Goes to Washington, but it seems there never was such a flick. Too bad, would have been great. If I get a surge of ambition I'll maybe make one.

Looked at another way, you could say this:

McCain has some fucking nerve indeed comparing future President Barack Obama to Paris Hilton, and then adorning his troubled candidacy with this Beauty Queen.

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I work in oncology. Aside from McCain's health care policies, his own health has been a real point of interest to me. The man has been battling melanoma for years. And yet I never heard much mention of it until now. All the talking heads are now saying the c word...cancer...if not melanoma. In light of his choice for VP, I think it is the press' responsibillity to fully investigate this man's diagnosis. He made his medical records available for all of one hour on a Fri afternoon not too long ago. (He prohibited the NYT from having access as I understand.) Time for the press to start demanding a fuller look at those records. The American people have an absolute right to know before November.

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The American people have an absolute right to know before November.

Yeah we do - what do you want to bet we don't?

I remember in '04 how they sat on Commander CooCoo's med records.

I think the notion that Palin may have to take over for an ailing McCain, and you know, actually sit across the table in a crisis situation from a true hard-ass like Putin is gonna scare the bejeebus out of a good many GOPers.

Scares me, too, come to think of it.

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Hey, as long as Mr Sarah Palin is in on the meeting, all is cool.

And if something goes wrong, he'll just pressure his wife to fire somebody.

I want John McCain to have good health and a very long life. I really wish him every good thing.

Just stay out of the White House is all. It's been a great run. 72, time to retire, go on Letterman, have some bellylaughs, enjoy Cindy's money, and we'll all smile with you, Senator.

In other words, McCain's taking a one term pledge and Palin would be his successor in '12?

I am just blown away that in 2008 a presidential campaign would say that a woman will sit at the feet of a male master.
Did someone turn back the clock and we're back in the 1950s? This is frightening, not only the statement but the lack of response from the women in this country.
It makes me feel that the GOP plan to use Palin to actually weaken the women's movement. Women beware!

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It makes me feel that the GOP plan to use Palin to actually weaken the women's movement. Women beware!

Baby, that only works if we let them and there's no way.

;)

If the Republicans win, they are obviously planning to run Palin against Hillary in 2012. It's their long term strategy, and unfortunately it's a good one.
There is no way McCain will be mentally or physically capable of running again in four years. He is nominally capable now, but the media refuse to publicly acknowledge it.

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Why do people insist on projecting their anxieties 4 and 8 years in the future?

We could all be dead. Nobody knows what is going to happen in this election. Why does everyone want to worry about elections in 2012 and 2016?

The implosion of McCain is happening right before our eyes.

http://pufferfish.typepad.com/

The implosion of McCain is happening right before our eyes.

http://pufferfish.typepad.com/

Reminds me of the old SNL skit in which little Danny Quayle is sitting on Bush Senior's lap.

This time around the possibilities for humor and outrage are even better. Dirty old man McCain sits little Sara Palin on his lap to "teach" her about foreign policy.

That would pretty damn funny, methinks.

Reminds me of the old SNL skit in which little Danny Quayle is sitting on Bush Senior's lap.

This time around the possibilities for humor and outrage are even better. Dirty old man McCain sits little Sara Palin on his lap to "teach" her about foreign policy.

That would pretty damn funny, methinks.

Let's have a show of hands. How many people think that the McCain team intends to teach her anything beyond what it takes to get beyond interviews and the debate? If they were to get elected, she would be in the back kitchen making biscuits for her husband, not touching any of the levers of the government, or even knowing what, never mind, where they are. Let me see, one, two, that's not many hands.

The experience argument may be missing the point. We effectively rule out the vast majority of Americans if one must have negotiated with hostile foreign leaders or served as a commander in a war in order to be fit to be the president. So what about preparedness? Obama and Biden (and Clinton and even McCain), have demonstrated that they are interested in foreign affairs and served on foreign policy committees and traveled abroad and met world leaders to show that they understand global politics. Does Palin even have a basic understanding of global politics? Is she at all interested in foreign affairs? Does she have any knowledge of the factors involved in the Iraq war? Although she and Obama have spent comparable time in elected office, there is no comparison of their preparedness to deal with foreign policy.

So, is he thinking of divorcing Cindy?

Replay the video and watch how he looks her over
after she steps up to the microphone.

Isn't the image of Palin learning at "the foot of the master" a bit misogynistic? Is she his subservient slave?

It brought the image of Princess Leia chained to Jabba the Hutt to mind.

McCain's pick of Palin reminds me of the comments his first wife made after McCain left her for Cindy. "My marriage ended because John McCain didn't want to be 40 - he wanted to be 25."

McCain is having a second mid-life crisis. He thinks that somehow he's going to live forever.

The HILARITY of it all ... roflmao

I'll be honest here folks. I surf the web comfortably seated in a wingback easy chair. If the McCain campaign uncorks any more zingers like the Palin/vp one, I will have to install a seatbelt, shoulder harness and probably a passive restraint system on my chair to keep from falling out of it. I am also careful about beverage consumption while reading about this stuff too.

The Palin VP choice is a tipoff that Rove is effectively calling the shots in the McCain campaign now.

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So how does Sarah like campaigning so far?

The first-term Alaska governor told reporters she was having fun in her new role. "It's great to see another part of the country," she said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080830/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_convention_rdp;_ylt=Aucw.RsG27Y_KAlNjk7kt.ys0NUE

Should we find out just how many of the 50 states our potential Vice-President has visited prior to her nomination?

Has she even visited British Columbia?

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Yep, that's the extent of her foreign policy experience. A vacation in British Columbia, while toting a fully auto modified AR-15 for turning moose into moose hamburger. Take that you islamo-fascists that want to take over our "homeland" and take away our way of life.

I'll tell you one District of the country I'd like to keep her out of next January 20.

“Who am I? What am I doing here?”

Admiral James Stockdale Vice-Presidential Debate 1992

Well, Admiral, you're looking better all the time, actually.

"She's going to learn national security at the foot of the master for the next four years, and most doctors think that he'll be around at least that long," said Charlie Black

McCain 2008 - he probably won't die in his first term!

Probably the worst election slogan since "A better man dead that any alive - FDR's corpse in 1946!"

Sullivan is just rolling them out, he is on fire:

McCain Unplugged
30 Aug 2008 10:12 pm
Does he even hear himself?
"She's not from these parts and she's not from Washington. But when you get to know her, you're going to be as impressed as I am."
When you get to know her. He met her once before he interviewed her last week.

Saw a fascinating post on San Jose Mercury news comments... here's the theory (my interpretation of it, anyway):

The Palin nomination has dulled the Obama/Biden momentum and media wave by sheer dint of its shock factor. McCain et al let the media chew awkwardly on it for a week, maybe two if the convention is muted by hurricanes. Then, Palin announces that she's realized the responsibilities of the campaign and VP post would do harm to her fragile Down Syndrome infant, that her first responsibility is to her family, that it's a great honor but that she must decline. Then, McCain selects a more suitable VP candidate, getting a poll bump as relieved supporters (and media) laud the honorable family values mom and heap praise on McCain's boring (but solid) replacement.

McCain upside:
1. Effectively flattened the Obama post-convention surge and media fawning.
2. Turned the heads of the mouth-breathing Christian right, filling them with positive sentiments about his being "on their side".
3. Gets a boost even with a mediocre VP selection after Palin, simply out of relief that this obvious minor-leaguer is out of the game.
4. Media is thrilled they didn't have to dance with the sharp knives on a helpless daft hockey mom.
5. A few crazy women stay on the train just because McCain showed faith in a female candidate.

Downside:
1. Depending how it plays out, he appears rash/cynical/both.
2. If media gets after Palin scandals/incompetence quickly, it could appear she was forced out rather than choosing her family over the Vice Presidency. This would destroy the McCain campaign.

I guess maybe I'm paranoid, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it play out this way.

Saw a fascinating post on San Jose Mercury news comments... here's the theory (my interpretation of it, anyway):

The Palin nomination has dulled the Obama/Biden momentum and media wave by sheer dint of its shock factor. McCain et al let the media chew awkwardly on it for a week, maybe two if the convention is muted by hurricanes. Then, Palin announces that she's realized the responsibilities of the campaign and VP post would do harm to her fragile Down Syndrome infant, that her first responsibility is to her family, that it's a great honor but that she must decline. Then, McCain selects a more suitable VP candidate, getting a poll bump as relieved supporters (and media) laud the honorable family values mom and heap praise on McCain's boring (but solid) replacement.

McCain upside:
1. Effectively flattened the Obama post-convention surge and media fawning.
2. Turned the heads of the mouth-breathing Christian right, filling them with positive sentiments about his being "on their side".
3. Gets a boost even with a mediocre VP selection after Palin, simply out of relief that this obvious minor-leaguer is out of the game.
4. Media is thrilled they didn't have to dance with the sharp knives on a helpless daft hockey mom.
5. A few crazy women stay on the train just because McCain showed faith in a female candidate.

Downside:
1. Depending how it plays out, he appears rash/cynical/both.
2. If media gets after Palin scandals/incompetence quickly, it could appear she was forced out rather than choosing her family over the Vice Presidency. This would destroy the McCain campaign.

I guess maybe I'm paranoid, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it play out this way.

Obamanans and the like minded - shhhhh....

This one is gonna implode, and uggglllyy. If we let McCain twist in the wind until it is too late in the election cycle, he cant ditch her.

I am sensing a great wave of Repug on Repug violence coming. I dont think that the Alaska Repugs are gonna fall in line on this one (nothing like locals with an axe to grind talking to WaPo and the NYT), and the hits are already coming from Anchorage & Juneau.

Sit back, let it marinate, and then when the temperature is right, pop the top and the vapors will take them all down!

My fear is that she will "ask to be excused from the ticket for family/why the hell am I here in the first place" reasons. A convention delay will potentially set the stage. McCain will blather some bullshit... and when everyone questions his judgement, he will spend the last of the POW capital he has left (for those who are ready for more servings).

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"learn foreign policy at the foot of the master"

SCENE- A HOSPITAL BED IN THE ICU

MCCAIN (wheezing) "Sing it back"

PALIN "Uh, bomb bomb Iran.."

MCCAIN No you cunt! It's (cough) Bomb bomb BOMB Iran. Three bombs you trollop!

PALIN Where's the plug on this thing?

Best I can figure, "learn(ing) national security at the foot of the master" is code for "memorizing John McCain's best Killing People Quips and Stale-By-At-Least-20-Years Song Parodies."

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"learn foreign policy at the foot of the master"

SCENE A HOSPITAL BED IN THE ICU

MCCAIN (wheezing) "Sing it back"

PALIN "Uh, bomb bomb Iran.."

MCCAIN No you cunt! It's (cough) Bomb bomb BOMB Iran. Three bombs you trollop!

PALIN Where's the plug on this thing?

Too funny!

Someone's go a terrific video up on YouTube, titled: Reckless Judgment Puts Nation at Risk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJHJC5geXEo

Palin's selection shows that the GOP is willing to use the vice presidency as a symbol rather than a functioning office of government. It is incredibly cynical. Even her fellow Republicans in Alaska say she isn't ready for VP. GOP strategists must think women are so shallow that they would vote against their own interests to vote for a woman. Palin will be used at every photo op but it's hard to imagine the GOP establishment actually seeking her input, not because she's a woman but because she has no background or experience in any of the main issues of the day. A man with her credentials would never have been considered. If the GOP now tries to run as the "Reform Party", it will be laughable.

Remember the aspect in the movie 'American Grafitti' about how the friends of the guy who was heading away from town to go to college, how they got down on him for wanting to be more, to aspire? Karl Rove and his henchmen thoroughly understand that sentiment and are masters at exploiting it. Down-home American women who never went anywhere or aspired to something larger, who live between the coasts are going to determine this election. These are the sort who loathe Hillary. But put a glamorpuss who played sports in high school, has five kids, didn't get an abortion, has moxie and knows how to fix moose burgers up for election and it is not hard to predict where these uncurious minds will break in an election, particularly with such a polished candidate as Obama on the other side. Never mind national security or experience. Life is full of absurd turns of events in the face of right and reason. Rove knows full well that he must pull off a stunt which will bring out these women to vote in droves. The vice presidential debate may well be the one to watch. Obama had best put a strong leash on Biden.

The bottom line is McCain is 72 year old and has health problems and could die today or tomorrow! When this sinks in and people start to reflect and consider what a President Palin REALLY means due to her very real lack of national and international issues, policies and procedures, and her intellectual capacity or incapacity, people in all good conscience, for the safety and welfare of this country, will not vote for McCain. He has made a colossal mistake in judgment.

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