Report: Warner To Deliver "Bipartisan" Message At Dem Convention?
This is causing some consternation in Dem circles today:
Former Gov. Mark Warner plans to offer a lesson in Virginia-style bipartisanship to thousands of hardcore Democrats in his convention keynote speech Tuesday night."There may be parts of the speech that aren't going to get a lot of applause," Warner said Monday, "but I've got to say what I believe will get our country back on the right path."...
For Mark Warner, who is seeking the Senate seat of retiring Republican John Warner, a red-meat speech that would bring the party's most passionate warriors to their feet in Denver would undermine a carefully cultivated image at home that has given him a strong lead in statewide polls and a lopsided fundraising advantage.
It's hard to say from the AP's reporting what exactly Warner is going to say. But the chatter in Dem circles is that if Warner does undermine the power of the Dems' partisan message tonight to some degree, it could muddle efforts to draw the contrast with McCain as sharply as is necessary.
With yesterday's convention largely a Teddy-Michelle love-fest, and Clintons speaking today and tomorrow, more sharp contrasting with McCain is what's called for right about now. Not less.















Hey, if it helps carry Virginia, super.
August 26, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
It may help Mark Warner carry VA, but he is at absolutely no risk whatsoever. I don't know that it will help Obama. He's already made the bipartisan sell himself many times.
Most Dems are just not very good red meat partisans. It makes them uncomfortable.
August 26, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
it wont help. Americans for the most part have short term memories. I will probably forget that I even commented on this page by tomorrow.
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August 26, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps, but let's not put the blame on Warner. He told the Obama camp that this is what his speech would entail, and they still made him Keynote. So this is part of the plan, clearly.
Hey, do you guys remember 2004? Does anybody else? Jesus H.
August 26, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but the lesson of the 2004 keynote is that what was good for the speaker wasn't necessarily good for that campaign. Kerry needed more offense, more attack, more vitriol from his surrogates. Yeah, Obama gave a seminal speech - but at what cost to Kerry? I'll reserve judgment until Warner speaks, but I'm not liking where this is going. What's good for Warner might not be good for Barack. Then again, the Obama campaign green lighted this. I need a beer.
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August 26, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's Warner's style - it always has been. But having an economic expert deliver a message on how to fix the economy may not be a bad thing.
We shall see, but Warner's incredibly popular in a tough state so I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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August 26, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I watched on C-SPAN and there were plenty of partisan messages and hits on McCain/Bush. Of course, those speeches didn't make the cable stations because they wanted to use the time to obsess over the Bill & Hill (side) show.
August 26, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I watched C-Span too and you're right, there were some shots taken. However, those were from lesser lights who don't attract media attention. The "stars" were all talking about what swell guys Obama and Teddy K. are, but weren't pantsing McCain with any kind of energy.
August 26, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Bill and Hill hit McCain with all they've got, all will be well.
We shall see.
August 26, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
And if they don't hit with any kind of power, then we'll know what their motives are and how deeply in trouble Obama is.
August 26, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not so fast...
Bill Clinton in Denver again undercuts Obama
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/bill-clinton-in-denver-again-undercuts-obama-2008-08-26.html
August 26, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
There were "efforts" to hammer McCain last night?! I must have slept through them, although I'm pretty sure that someone in the press would have mentioned it. As it was, the life leeches on CNN couldn't stop talking about how little partisanship there was....
August 26, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, there were, but if you'd seen them, they'd have put you back to sleep.
Nancy Pelosi opened the convention with an attack on McSame. Apparently it was covered by MSNBC but not CNN or others.
I was watching MSNBC, and I kinda wish they also had skipped it. Just a droning bit of audience-participation cheerleading -- John McCain is wrong, over and over again -- delivered with all the sparkle of Fritz Mondale and flashes of that forced smile that McSame has made famous. Ugh.
August 26, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
NO! Save bi-partisanship for when the other party isn't trying to link your nominee to domestic terrorism.
August 26, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed!!!
The chief problems of the last eight years have been caused by both parties for very different reasons:
--The Republicans have led the country into a ditch.
--The Democrats have watched the country getting led into a ditch, and then have suggested that perhaps the ditch isn't that bad, and perhaps the ditch can be improved upon, if subtle gradations are made to the walls of the ditch to make it seem like less of a ditch.
This is not the time to be high-minded.
August 26, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I saw a report to this effect yesterday and had the same reaction. The Dems are losing valuable opportunities to body check McCain.
August 26, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're just waiting until he has the puck.
August 26, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course he is. Heaven forfend that the Dems deliver a strong message that sharply contrasts what they'll offer America versus the Republicans. If they did, that would mean that the Dems might actually have a chance at winning this thing and they, apparently, can't seem to cope with that concept. Sometimes I'm amazed that the Dems in anything despite their best efforts not to.
August 26, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
So we should show them that what the Democrats offer America is more partisan attacks?
They don't need "change" in order to get that!
August 26, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I refer you to Leo Durocher. He had a winning philosophy.
August 26, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly:
"Buy a steak for a player on another club after the game, but don't even speak to him on the field. Get out there and beat them to death."
-- Leo Durocher
August 26, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
And more famously: Nice guys finish last. (actually said, "finish in 7th place")
Give me some scratching, diving, hungry ballplayers who come to kill you.
August 26, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Last quote got cut off: "Give me some scratching, diving, hungry ballplayers who come to kill you.... Some guys are admired for coming to play, as the saying goes. I prefer those who come to kill."
August 26, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Admirable as Leo D. was in the gladitorial-like arena of professional sports, I wouldn't want him for the leader of my country. Can you imagine Washinton, or Jefferson, or Lincoln -- any of our truly great leaders saying that stuff?
But I can sure imagine Rove and all his clients saying it. I don't come to Obama for that.
August 26, 2008 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can't clean out a sewer without getting your hands (at the least) dirty. Politics have become a sewer. If you want it cleaned up, you'll have to get down and dirty. Otherwise, you'll get overwhelmed by the backflow.
August 27, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
In a word..."yes". When you talk about working with your "Republican friends" in a bi-partisan manner, the only thing that the audience is hearing is that there's no difference between yourself and the Republicans. This has been a huge problem for the Dems for a long time; their general unwillingness to go after their Republican counterparts. They still seem to be under the misguided notion that if they try to be "above" partisanship then people will see how noble they are and vote for them. The same holds true to responding to attacks -- when they stand there and let their opponent pummel them and not fight back all the voter is seeing is someone that won't defend themselves so how can they be expected to defend them. Basically, you're not going to win over voters if you don't draw any contrasts between yourself and your opponent and are completely unwilling to defend yourself in any meaningful way. If the opponent can keep you on constant defense, they'll win every time.
August 26, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eh, republicans have always done the same things. Remember, bush was going to be a "Uniter, not a divider"? They always spout crap like that.
August 26, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't want to be unkind, but what are the credentials being presented to justify second-guessing the almost unbelievably successful Democrat Mark Warner? He has shown himself a master at making the most putatively hostile forces his allies, and he continues to do it now every day.
So, by all means, whinge because he doesn't follow the strategies so successfully carried out by your favorite, Sen. Clinton, in the primaries. Oh, wait.
August 26, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Warner was a bad keynote choice for this reason. But he is trying to get elected in Virginia and thus needs to run his campaign. He has always described himself as a centrist (a radical centrist I believe), so this shouldn't surprise anybody.
I've said it before, Obama is running a campaign that will allow him to get things done after he wins, he can't go scorched earth and trash anything and everything about the GOP because should he win, he'll have to work with these folks.
McCain on the other hand is only worried about getting elected.
August 26, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
The handful of Senate Republicans who could block the passage of President Obama's legislation will have their own selfish reasons for working with him, no matter how hard he hits the GOP during the campaign.
His first transition plan should be to sit down with each and every one of them from a blue state or a state with a Dem governor and get them to take a position in his Cabinet.
August 26, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, I have to ask: given what we know about the AP being in the tank for McCain, why are you still taking them seriously?
August 26, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
AP has Begala second-guessing the keynote before it's even been delivered.
Ah, well. Both AP and Begala have lost their credibility with me anyhow.
August 26, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is about Virginia - Obama's camp clearly knew what kind of speech Warner was going to give and picked him anyway. It also may be about the party, in general. It gives a guy who could be a future Dem presidential candidate a nice moment in the big spotlight.
FWIW, I know we're not supposed to focus on polls but I just saw Gallup's daily tracker for today and McCain is ahead, 46-44. That's the first time he's been ahead in their tracking poll ever since the primaries ended. Y'all have to admit it's a bit troubling and it's likely due to a) the Biden pick and b) the media's obsession with the soap opera. This swing to McCain is, I'm certain, due to the bitter Hillary supporters pissed that she didn't get the VP slot - and all the media talk about the unsettled Clinton-Obama tension (likely inflated for ratings sake) isn't allowing them to get over their anger and bitterness.
Again, Hillary needs to hit a home run for our candidate tonight...the ability to change this situation is in her control. Can't have her spend 20-30 minutes talking about glass freaking ceilings. If Warner isn't going to attack - and he isn't - it's up to Hillary. And she needs to present Obama as the greatest thing since sliced bread. There are other folks speaking tonight but she's the only one that matters, the only one people - and the media - will be paying attention to.
August 26, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a small swing, so you can't ascribe it to specific things. Maybe it was his vacation. Maybe it was an ad. Maybe the red states are leaning slightly redder.
Hillary's concession speech was great, as was her Unity, NH speech. The media are full of it, as usual, promoting controversy to get ratings.
I am guardedly optimistic about her speech and Bill's speech.
August 26, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
we are in deep trouble here people. if we dont attack McCain and the republicans and take advantage of our convention Obama will find himself down to McCain in 2 weeks.
hopefully Hillary and Biden nail them today and tomorow HARD while on primetime.
the new gallup tracking poll out today shows Obama is down 2% since the biden announcement!! americans dont care who is the better VP pick, they are too dumb to know that Biden is the most qualified person.
August 26, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
If so, and just trying to look on the bright side, there are 10 to 12% undecideds out there. McCain's scorched earth approach hasn't moved them into his camp over the last month. Maybe this will resonante with them in Ohio and Michagan. It seems to work in Virginia.
August 26, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then we're in deep yogurt. Hillary hasn't shown any formidability since before the Obama hugfest in Unity. Sure, she's said nice things, but has shown no leadership with her supporters nor any desire to attack on Obama's behalf. If I were Obama, I wouldn't be counting on her for salvation.
August 26, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sigh. Was in response to ogliberal above.
August 26, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with the consensus that a "bipartisan" message is not appropriate here.
This is a partisan event. We want to win. WTF?
August 26, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
the Hillary speech is more important.. that will be seen by all the networks at 10:30ish.
the Warner speech wont be seen by anyone unless you are tuned into the cable news channels.
Hillary needs to be a pit bull and ATTACK mccain and the republicans.
and Biden on wednesday better do the same thing!!!!
August 26, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is clear now that Obama's idea of fighting the
Republicans is to put the entire nation to sleep with Warner monotoning his "bipartisan" message of weakness, capitulation and servicing corporate interests at the expense of the common man.
I don't know about you, but that is what I call inspiring! We have waited decades for this message to be enunciated by a Democrat haven't we?
With any luck, the nation will be tuned elsewhere and miss this, what promises to be, off the scale boring speech.
August 26, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mark Warner should take his speaking opportunity to lay his agenda and goals for the senate and go after McCain. I mean, really, the dems should be taking every opportunity to slam the McShame and the republithugs.
August 26, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
People thought Mark Warner was going to play attack dog tonight?
Lots Of Laughs.
August 26, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shortly after Obama declared his candidacy I met several of his avid supporters. The first three were Republicans who loved him for "reaching out" to the center. They insisted his entire campaign would eventually move to the middle and change the prevailing notions of what "progressive" means.
I thought they were kidding themselves.
It has long since occurred to me that I was kidding myself.
He was more interested in "undecided" and Republican voters than we all may think.
The "base" is in the bag.
August 26, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's not the problem. ( And I disagree) It's that no "bipartisanship" will happen if MCMansion gets elected. It will be more wars and the draft.
August 26, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
What difference does it make what Warner says? All the coverage will be on what Hillary says -- and doesn't say -- tonight. Nobody will pay any attention to the keynote speaker.
August 26, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look ou have to give the people a reason to "Not Vote for John McCain." This is not hard. If Mark Warner can not do that then he should not speak.
However, there are several possibilities
1.) Mark Warner can deliver Virginia by speaking directly to the people of Virginia.
2.) Hillary accurately realizes that her best chance at a political future is to aggressively attack John McCain, tell her PUMA followers that voting against Obama doesn't help her but actually hurts her, and hope that Obama wins.
3.) Hillary and Bill follow through on what was clearly a well-thought plan, that is to solidify female voters against Obama. After all, she didn't really start the dirty attacks against Obama until after she had mathematically lost the race.
August 26, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
That would solidify black voters against the Clintons.
Are the Clintons suicide bombers?
August 26, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clintons will play it ambiguous. Neither too cold nor too warm.
And as far as a reverse PUMA revenge in 2012, they think we'd forget or are stupid and can be spun.
August 26, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
We will never forget. We will be the PUMAs in 2012.
August 26, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Feeling like 2004, though I remember being impressed with the 2004 convention at the time.
Kennedy stole the night. I still say that Michelle's speech seemed programmed, and people will see through that. On the whole, last night was a bit of a dud.
BTW, I hope Hillary calls out these GOP activists who are masquerading as sour grapes "Hillary supporters". She should call out the media for believing these wackos are Democrats and not props sent by the McCain campaign.
Meanwhile, McCain is getting equal time with his new attack ads.
Sigh...
August 26, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Democrats can attack McCain and promote unity at the same time. Not easy, but possible.
The argument is that the current "Bush-McCain Republicans" that have driven the country into the ground over the past 8 years have betrayed the conservative values that are the foundation of the Republican Party.
Values like accountability. Values like social responsibility. Values like individual liberties. Values like the endurance of constitution and the rule of law.
These are values that are shared by Democrats. There is common ground and I know a lot of Republicans feel deep down that something has gone horribly wrong with their party. They need a reason to believe what their gut tells them is the truth.
On the other hand, if Obama consolidates the Democrats the election is his. So maybe this "unity" talk is indeed pointless.
August 26, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who, I wondered, were in this Dem circle that this was causing some consternation with? So I read the AP story, and it's Paul Begala! Paul Begala is the Dem circle?
And what is it that Paul Begala is quoted as saying? "This isn't the Richmond Chamber of Commerce."
That's it? That's the consternation?
C'mon Greg.
August 26, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
First, maybe we should let Warner give the speech before we criticize it. Second, Warner is a charismatic guy (I wanted him to run for president) and often the appealing thing is not what you say so much as how you say it. Third, Obama already has the California and New York type of voter-- he's trying to reach the Virginia type. Liberal Democrats griped over the possibility of an Obama-Kaine or Obama-Webb ticket-- can't we give that state some love in the measly ol' keynote address?
August 26, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is there a John McCain banner at the top of this page smearing Obama for wanting to meet with anti-American world leaders unconditionally?
August 26, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just what I want to hear: talk about working with the Republicans. That's a joke, right?After the last eight years you would think Democrats would wise up. It's war, and the Republicans are out to destroy the two party system. They've come very, very close.
We need a Democratic majority and Republicans that work with US, not the other way around.
August 26, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another weak tit no attack bipartisan bullshit key note speaker that loses this election
For the love of god get a fighter, an attack pit bull. We will never learn. Watch how it’s done next week
Here is an idea look at we did the last eight years and do the complete opposite
August 26, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't believe how unsupportive of Obama and change most of you are. And to second-guess a speech by a supremely successful Democratic politician before it's even heard -- or previewed anyone who is both knowledgeable and impartial.
Shame.
If you don't think Obama and his team are up to decisions like this -- at least better the the scatter-shot sniping here -- then you should support somebody else and let Obama be Obama.
August 26, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm leaving town next week; I'm not gonna subject myself to 'net and cable coverage of the utter destruction of Barack Obama, not after we screw it all to hell this week. I wasn't concerned about last night; Ted and Michelle aren't pit bull types. But Mark Warner? And Bill bitching, as usual? And I'll lay you 10-1 that Hillary mentions her freaking '18 million' tonight. At that point, my shoe hits the screen. Will there EVER come a point the party can stop kissing her ass? And more to the point, will the party EVER learn to quit bringing a butter knife to a fire fight?
August 26, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink