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Report: Obama Picks Biden
The Associated Press and CNN are both reporting that Joe Biden is Barack Obama's running mate, capping off a week of frenzied speculation that centered on him in the final stretch.
The AP cites unnamed sources, while CNN says they got the news from two Democratic sources.
And so much for those text messages we all signed up for, promising that we'd be the first to know. I still haven't gotten mine.
Late Update: The Obama campaign's email announcing the decision is right here. Though Obama's supporters were promised with great fanfare that they'd hear about the decision first, the email went out to supporters many hours after the big news orgs broke the news of the decision.
Late Late Update: Our take on the Biden pick is right here.
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CHANGE. MY. ASS. Thanks for nothing, Hopey.
August 23, 2008 1:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
What you were expecting someone from Earth First? Obama's change is about approaching the issues we face as a country in an intelligent, thoughtful, and non-partisan (to the extent it can be) way. Having someone who is respected in the beltway and knows how to get things done is going to help actually bring real solutions to our country.
August 23, 2008 1:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
August 23, 2008 1:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're just pissed because you know your ass is grass.
August 23, 2008 1:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
At least he's in character.
August 23, 2008 1:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
You have such a way with word.
August 23, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am very sorry that your candidate with cartoonishly terrible campaign management skills and $20 million in campaign debt was not chosen to participate in the she frequently and harshly attacked (in ways that often backfired) during the past half year.
What a shame that we have to settle for the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, a frequent critic of the Iraq War with a son in the National Guard, a man who appeals to older white people and has proven himself capable of effectively mocking and attacking Republicans. So sad.
August 23, 2008 1:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
* "...participate in the _campaign_ she frequently and harshly attacked..."
August 23, 2008 1:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Somethin' tells me she'll be OK financially
August 23, 2008 2:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
fogu is a douche.
August 23, 2008 2:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Amen, brother.
August 23, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good one! Have you earned enough points for the McCain golf sweater, yet?
August 23, 2008 2:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
How about somebody who didn't vote for the war? How about somebody who didn't vote for the banking industry-authored bankruptcy bill? Biden is a hack and you know it.
August 23, 2008 1:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah! Vote for McCain! You'll show them! You'll show them all!!!
August 23, 2008 1:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, don't vote for McCain, jackass. Demand better of the Democratic Party than the same old Republican-lite bullshit. Otherwise the Party deserves to go the way of the Whigs.
August 23, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm voting F and U.
August 23, 2008 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why do I get the impression that you have all the charm, intelligence and good looks of your avatar?
August 23, 2008 1:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Because you're stupid?
August 23, 2008 1:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good one. Do your parents know that you're still up and consorting with grownups on the Internet?
August 23, 2008 1:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
That hurts my feelings. You are so mean.
Sorry, but this election is too important to go into a hissy fit over the VP. Grow a pair, and grow up.
August 23, 2008 2:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, but the VP choice is the most important one the nominee can make -- "a heartbeat away" and all that. And I've heard that tired old "this election is too important to..." line every election since I've been eligible to vote, and it's always been used to stifle anyone impudent enough to challenge the DLC/Repug-lite party line. You're just a parrot, and not a particularly intelligent or amusing one at that.
August 23, 2008 2:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes you are so independent and original. Help McCain get into office. That will further your political goals. Smart thinking, I am in awe.
August 23, 2008 2:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rinse. Repeat.
August 23, 2008 2:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
exactly...
August 23, 2008 2:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was talking to supa, not the douche johnbpt.
August 23, 2008 9:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Blow me.
August 23, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
HEY EVERYBODY!!!
LOOK AT ME!!!
LOOK AT ME!!!
SHUT the fuck up, asshole.
August 23, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait, this guy is serious? I thought his first post was a joke about not getting the text messages first.
There's people out there that think like this?!
August 23, 2008 1:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, they're called Obamites.
August 23, 2008 1:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I love you!
I love that picture. It is perfect!!!
The hypocracy here is astounding!
The Obamabots, during the primary, ridiculed Clinton's Iraq vote, essentially saying it disqualified her from public service. The trashed her as a 'triangulating' 'narcissist' who would do and say anything to get elected. Obama was the one speaking truth and stood for something. She was just a tired old hag who loved being in Washington. And those 18 million voters of hers were just figments of our crazy minds.
NOW? What do we have now? Just a cult of apologists, that's what we have. Biden's inside the Beltway experience is now 'experience' and not the mark of the Beast. I guess if you have a dick you can commit such high crimes as voting for illegal war and acting as Bush's pawn. Only if you have a dick, that is.
Only if you have a dick can you
-say you are against Nafta and then later not be so against it.
-be against offshore drilling then be for it.
-be against telecom immunity then be fore it.
What's next, huh? What does Barack Obama stand for? Anything?
August 23, 2008 2:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's vote was a problem because she wouldn't renounce it and say it was a mistake. Biden's already done that. You lose.
August 23, 2008 2:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
She said if she had to do it over again she wouldn't vote for authorization.
You people demanded some kind of tear-flowing spectacle of an apology.
Admit it. You don't really care about Iraq! You and Obama only want to play politics.
You lose. Get your consolation prize by calling 1-800-EAT-SHIT.
August 23, 2008 2:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Also, you didn't answer my question.
What does Obama stand for?
August 23, 2008 3:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Where to begin. Do you have a specific issue (aside from being unable to go to his website) that you wish to be addressed?
August 23, 2008 3:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
"What does Obama stand for?"
The betterment of America as a whole, not just for a small group of people. A distinct change in direction from the disastrous policies that have lead to the shrinking of the middle class and our involvement in a politically unnecessary war that has tarnished the image and influence of our country.
Basically, Obama's saying that we need to move forward and change the direction of this country in a positive way, while McCain is saying that he'll be a better version of Bush.
The choice is yours.
August 23, 2008 5:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Were you at that awesome PUMA meeting with 16 people at a crappy hotel?
August 23, 2008 2:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
It wasn't 16 people. It was 18 million.
I'm not a member of PUMA. I'd vote for a homeless drunk of the Dems nominated such a person. I'd imagine such a person would be more likely than Obama to actually hold convictions, but doesn't matter.
Go ahead. Continue to act like Clinton's supporters never existed. You Obamabots were always good at sticking your heads in the sand.
Just a little math for ya.
*25% of Clinton supporters say they won't support Obama.
*25% of 18 million is 4.5 million.
*John Kerry lost to Bush by about 4 million votes.
Dismiss all you want. You guys will say the phrase "Swift Boat" until you are blue in the face when we lose. But everyone can look back on this moment and only blame The Oh Wise One for his narcissism, ego, inability to see past his reflection in the mirror to realize there is a world beyond his great looks and fabulous speaking skills.
People just don't likey the Obambi.
I hope and pray he manages to pull it off. Im not going to be placing any bets tho.
August 23, 2008 3:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
What the heck is wrong with you people?
I've been a Republican most of my adult life and I've never seen such cannibalization.
We lost John McCain back in 2000, yet you folks are so caught up in this ridiculous back and forth, we hate ourselves B.S. that you're willing to eat your own head and hearts for a third Bush term.
Is this what our country deserves? More hatred and invective from within? Our troops, our children, our parents, and our planet are counting on us to rise above and figure out a way to progress.
If you so-called democrats are the best hope of a better day ahead, then i pray for my children and my country.
Obama-Biden. It's done. Get over it, and win for a change.
August 23, 2008 4:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the sanity check. For reals.
August 23, 2008 4:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Republican's right!
Really, I suspect that we're getting a lot of trolls trying to stick a wedge between various groups of Democrats. Someone's hoping to keep some potential Obama voters home, and I bet it's not a real Democrat/liberal/progressive/feminist.
August 23, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, go join (rejoin?) LGF already. It's been real, troll. See you in November.
August 23, 2008 2:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why don't you go have another one.
August 23, 2008 2:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why don't you go join another party?
August 23, 2008 8:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Eactly
August 23, 2008 2:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Considering who is currently in the White House, and with McCain offering more of the same, anyone selected by Barack Obama would certainly keep the change message alive.
An Obama/Biden administration holds the possibility of really getting things done in Washington. And how exciting and refreshing it will be to have an administration that treats us all as adults. That's change we can believe in.
August 23, 2008 1:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you! I wish I could recommend comments, because that's so spot-on! I wish everyone could think like you about this.
August 23, 2008 1:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Couldn't say it better.
August 23, 2008 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Considering who is currently in the White House, and with McCain offering more of the same, anyone selected by Barack Obama would certainly keep the change message alive.
By that logic it doesn't matter who the Democratic party selects as its presidential nominee.
August 23, 2008 2:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
How true - that's why Biden won't counteract Obama's message.
But then it was Mark Penn who advised Hillary to run as an incumbent, making her nomination seem inevitable.
I guess we can now say her strategy was a failure, no?
August 23, 2008 2:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Short of a revolution (which isn't gonna happen), how do you expect someone to change Washington? Biden is a good foil for McCain, by all accounts a good guy, and should be an ideal congress-critter wrangler.
His vote for the war in 2002 will need to be addressed fairly quickly, but otherwise, I think he's a good match.
August 23, 2008 1:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
take it down a notch
August 23, 2008 4:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I signed up two different ways, no message.....
August 23, 2008 1:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto. It saddens me.
August 23, 2008 1:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am telling you guys the text will come at 3 am. ;-)
August 23, 2008 1:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
And you all thought you were so...special.
Bwahahaha. Suckers.
August 23, 2008 1:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're just pissed because you know your ass is grass.
August 23, 2008 1:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
I thought trolls were supposed to be scary?
August 23, 2008 1:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are...kinda.
August 23, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Aw. Is the wittle troll scared? Go home to mommy. I'm sure she'll protect you. =)
August 23, 2008 1:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hahahaha. You're 20 fucking years old. Hahahaha. You actually still live in your parents basement. You've never even voted before. Perfect avatar, a joker. Hahahaha.
August 23, 2008 1:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
You got the first part right. Not too keen on the assumptions, though. Nice try. =)
Question: does continuous text-laughing make you feel better about yourself? I'm just curious because you seem to be doing a LOT of it tonight. Obama picking Biden couldn't be getting to you THAT much.
August 23, 2008 2:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know about anyone else, but what gets to me most is the fact that the Democratic Party has managed to committ suicide one more time with a Gawd-awful candidate.
Ignorance is bliss, as they say...until you are bankrupt and no longer with constitutional rights.
But, small concerns, living in your parents basement.
August 23, 2008 3:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't get one either...what gives...?!
August 23, 2008 7:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tough news for poor Tena! Me, I'm down with this. Very very good pick IHMO.
August 23, 2008 1:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tena will be onboard though. We all should be, what is all this complaining? It could have been A LOT worse considering the line-up.
August 23, 2008 1:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did they finally call you to break the news?
Were they kind? Gentle? Have you bounced back yet?
August 23, 2008 1:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is good stuff. Biden—his image, I mean—brings a lot to the table.
August 23, 2008 1:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yep.
August 23, 2008 1:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are few out there that can carry themselves like Biden in way that will appeal to the general electorate. Can't wait for his debate with Romney, he'll tear Romney apart.
August 23, 2008 1:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly what I was thinking. Can you imagine a VP debate between Romney and Biden? Holy shit.
August 23, 2008 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Romney's hardly a pushover as his effective pro-McCain advocacy that helped in get on ticket demonstrates.
Also, he'll raise a ton of cash from LDS for the RNC, as well as helping turn out Mormon voters in highly contested western states.
But Huckabee's stated antipathy towards Romney as VP gives me hope that he speaks for a lot of evangelicals.
August 23, 2008 2:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Right. Except nobody want to sit at the table that Biden is at. Who wants to be lectured by this asshole.
August 23, 2008 1:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're just pissed because you know your ass is grass.
August 23, 2008 1:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
August 23, 2008 2:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm guessing it takes a while to send several hundred thousand text messages.
August 23, 2008 1:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
I read it is a very laborious process to send all that text, and could be hours in the processing......
August 23, 2008 1:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
One advantage here is at least I don't have to listen to those I-think-it's-going-to-be-Clark! folks anymore! ;-)
OBAMA-BIDEN 08!
August 23, 2008 1:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
CLINTON '12
August 23, 2008 1:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
As if you would vote for Clinton in 2012.
August 23, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Already supporting her Senate re-election committee? You are one eager beaver!
August 23, 2008 2:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
now you have to listen to "i hope Clark gets a cabinet position," though :O).
August 23, 2008 3:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Old man, beltway insider, voted for the war, condescending, arrogant. A perfect symbol of the entrenched old politics and exceedingly annoying to boot.
Hillary Clinton needs to step away ASAP.
Hello President McCain.
Clinton in '12.
August 23, 2008 1:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're just pissed because you know your ass is grass.
August 23, 2008 1:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hahahaha. Your like a fucking groupie who was blown off by the rock star.
Get you text message yet?
Hahahaha.
August 23, 2008 1:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I did, it said you are an ass!
August 23, 2008 1:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Someone got blown off, but it wasn't Obama. He was never even vetting her, because her brand is pure poison.
She'll go back to the Senate and vote for President Obama's proposals like a good soldier. You will turn to stone when sun's first light strikes your pustuled skin.
August 23, 2008 2:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey if you can convince Hillary (and Bill) to step away totally and refuse to speak to press, please do.
And basically all your knocks on Biden are knocks on McCain. If you don't want this for your VP, why would you want it for your Prez?
August 23, 2008 1:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
August 23, 2008 1:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Imagine, someone on a message board writing and posting a message. Obviously you don't have any rational for attacking Obama and Biden and so resort to the 3rd grade retort. It's sad really.
August 23, 2008 1:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're just pissed because you know your ass is grass.
August 23, 2008 2:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Riiiight. Hillary couldn't close a ziplock bag let alone a primary. Biden is a the perfect ingredient to compliment your sour grape compote. Enjoy.
August 23, 2008 1:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your head is gonna explode. RUN!
August 23, 2008 1:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Got any?
August 23, 2008 1:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm soo sorry. Hillary is never ever going to be President. waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaa
August 23, 2008 1:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
All we have to do is survive four years of McCain.
August 23, 2008 2:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
What's that on your finger? Got any? Remember those dreamy nights with Vince? We can make it work, baby.
August 23, 2008 2:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is that you Rush?
August 23, 2008 1:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I never got this "He/she voted for war authorization, Obama won't be interested." So wrong! Obama's all about showing he's not doctrinaire--I'll bet he welcomes picking a VP that went the other way initially on that vote.
August 23, 2008 1:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
To quote another comment of mine elsewhere:
Biden is going to appeal to older voters. I talked to my Grandmother the other night and she was pushing Biden right and left. I think Biden might make PA completely safe for Obama and push FL more in his column. I would not be surprised. Older voters love him.
August 23, 2008 1:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Older voters are too smart to be lectured by this smarmy prick.
August 23, 2008 1:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Older voters are too smart to be lectured by this smarmy prick." -- fogu2
So pleased you provided a reference link to support your imbecilic claim.
My 81-year-old mother, who holds multiple degrees and follows politics as closely as any non-politician could possibly do, is thrilled with Obama’s selection of Biden. In her words, "the best choice Obama could have made."
It’s clear that you would disapprove of anyone Obama selected, even if it were Thomas Jefferson or George Washington, so why don’t you just head over to Taylor Marsh’s site or TalkLeft where you can bask in cathartic whining in perpetuity.
August 23, 2008 3:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
My 70 something parents are both life-long republicans. They told me that they were leaning Obama, but they wanted to see who he selected as VP. In my father's words, he wanted Obama to "pick a serious person, like Biden." I can't wait to call them in the morning!
August 23, 2008 1:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
PRECISELY! =)
August 23, 2008 1:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
In other word, he doesn't take Obama seriously. Some wisdom there perhaps.
August 23, 2008 2:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
“In other word, he doesn't take Obama seriously. Some wisdom there perhaps.” – fogu2
Kaneblues' parents were considering making substantial changes in their long-standing, non-Democratic voting record. Nowhere does he/she mention not taking Obama seriously.
There is a substantial difference between discerning voters – something that you clearly do not have the intellectual capacity to engage in, much less understand – and not taking a candidate seriously. It’s called critical thinking, ever heard of it?
By the way, try brushing up on your grammar as well. It should be “In other words,…”
August 23, 2008 3:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain camp is scared. Of course, they have Biden's "Obama isn't experienced enough" in their response, but this kind of stuff has little shelf life. It is the conventions and debates that will linger in the minds of the voters.
August 23, 2008 2:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
I can just see the GOP ads. Here is Joe Biden during the primaries;
"I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."
All I can say is Hillary dodged a bullet. Same with Bayh. They will both be able to run again in 2012. And Hillary will be able to say I told you so.
August 23, 2008 1:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Go to bed.
August 23, 2008 1:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
That comment is easy to handle. It was put cautiously to begin with, to allow room for growth, and a lot of time has passed. He says "What I've seen over the past year has convinced me that Barack is ready -- more than ready to be president" -- and then he references the trip, the interaction with foreign leaders, etc.
August 23, 2008 1:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Apologist.
August 23, 2008 1:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, exactly. That was intended as a sample of "spin," which is what apologists produce.
This is a political blog, right? If I've wandered into a Sunday School chatroom, someone please let me know.
August 23, 2008 1:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hater.
August 23, 2008 1:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary will take part of the blame for an Obama loss. She dragged the race on long after it was apparent she couldn't win while doing all she could to make lots of dems hate Obama. The Clintons are petty drama queens and I can't wait for the day when they are gone from public life for food.
August 23, 2008 2:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Remember "voodoo economics"?
If Obama hones in on the "McCain is out of touch" theme, hammering him on the economy, he'll win.
August 23, 2008 2:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm more than fine with the pick. It'll mean that my first two picks for President when this thing started will be running on the same ticket.
The only thing I was wary about going in was the two Senators thing, and the fiasco from his first run which you know Republicans are getting ready to push right now. Other than that, I love the pick. I still wouldn't put some sort of last minute shocker past the Obama campaign though, until the actual texts come.
August 23, 2008 1:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know, all these trolls, well, that does it. Off to DONATE right now, won't get mad, but will get even. :)
August 23, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perfect response.
August 23, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
The fact that so many trolls have come out makes me more sure that Biden is the right choice.
August 23, 2008 1:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sucker.
August 23, 2008 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, you really are the intellectual aren't you? The subtle nature of your subtext fills me with awe.
August 23, 2008 1:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
August 23, 2008 2:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're just pissed because you know your ass is grass.
August 23, 2008 2:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
:)
August 23, 2008 2:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
My only worry right now is McCain's running mate.
If he picks someone like Ridge The GOP will occupy the white house for another decade.
August 23, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not sure why you think that. It's possible a good number of the "real" conservatives and fundies would stay home.
August 23, 2008 1:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm concerned that he may pick Pawlenty. I just love the euphonious sound of McCain/Pawlenty '08.
August 23, 2008 1:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sure. Because the Fundies will rush out to vote for an openly prochoice VP on the ticket.
PEACE
August 23, 2008 1:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not; there'd be a helluva floor fight over any pro-choice candidate.
And the Department of Homeland Security wasn't exactly known for it's competence under Ridge's stewardship.
August 23, 2008 2:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hope he picks Ridge. That's a sure-fire way for Obama to win.
August 23, 2008 2:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I was optimistic that maybe it WAS possible to keep a story from the media. I just kept thinking about how they kept the June fundraising numbers under wraps for so long and let the wrong story sit out there forever. I was sure that if the media said Biden that it wouldn't be him.
I don't consider it an exciting pick but I do consider it to be a good one. This whole thing got so hyped up that I had myself convinced it would be someone HUGE like maybe Gore.
Now, wouldn't it be a hoot if we all woke up in the morning and the media was wrong?? What a great start to the day that would be! It just kills me that they were able to get the story.
August 23, 2008 1:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Washington Post just switched its story on-line from "Biden emerges as likely" to "Obama picks Biden"
August 23, 2008 1:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm hoping for a repeat of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ffbFvKlWqE
That'd be awesome. And you know McCain would do something similar if he was asked a question like that.
August 23, 2008 1:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
And it also reminds one why Bill got elected, for the most part of his I feel your pain but unlike this year there were three people on the stage.
August 23, 2008 1:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Comments like "you better care about what economic theory" your president supports remind me of why I was happy to vote for Clinton in '92.
August 23, 2008 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZboTEV-hQs&feature=related
And the win is near.
August 23, 2008 1:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Damn, that was one of the best I've seen. If that can be one national airwaves, I would be quie happy.
August 23, 2008 2:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Dems are stuck with two losers.
The GOP got them exactly where they want them.
August 23, 2008 1:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
I know. I'm really concerned.
August 23, 2008 1:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I. Know. What. Ever. Will. Obama. Do. Now?
August 23, 2008 2:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
So did you pull the night shift, troll?
August 23, 2008 8:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good one. Do your parents know that you're still up and consorting with grownups on the Internet?
August 23, 2008 1:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Try again. Please learn how to internet.
August 23, 2008 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm idly browsing YouTube for Biden videos. Here's a pretty good one of him ripping on the Bush administration's policy on the war during a floor debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1op8vwF5UA
August 23, 2008 1:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for that!
August 23, 2008 2:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can't wait for the VP debate.
August 23, 2008 2:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Biden was kicking some serious ass there.
I'd be afraid if I were John McCain knowing a pitbull like that would be aiming his sights on me.
August 23, 2008 2:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Heh. Made me think of Thomas Huxley who was Darwin's pitbull. Time to take these ideologues down a notch.
August 23, 2008 2:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
So. Brilliant. I cannot wait to see him on the campaign trail.
August 23, 2008 2:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
why would two dem sources spoil the announcement? Jackasses. Unless it was Biden's mom.
August 23, 2008 1:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Or a someone close to one of the close but no cigar group wanted to spoil things. That being said, the Secret Service being dispatched to Biden's house (which was under surveillance by CNN all day) pretty much was the tipping point. The two sources, whoever they are, only confirmed what CNN was seeing with its cameras.
August 23, 2008 2:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cheer up! Think...VICTORY!!
August 23, 2008 2:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
"The official who spoke did so on condition of anonymity, saying they did not want to pre-empt a text-message announcement the Obama campaign promised for Saturday morning."
So basically the anonymity causes it not to have happened.
If I rob a bank with a ski mask on, would the bank therefore not have been robbed?
August 23, 2008 2:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have to say, I freaking LOVE that fogu and other trolls are here. When trolls infest a thread like this, you know you hit a nerve. =D
August 23, 2008 2:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not to mention that they have nothing really to say and then kind of disappear. Maybe they have to go check on one of their eight or eleven houses.
August 23, 2008 2:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
I know. If they had actual arguments it might be interesting. Like it is, it's just entertaining.
August 23, 2008 2:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup. Gotta go, my limo is waiting outside. The Lear is warmed up and ready to rock!
ObamaBiden. OMFG. Team Arrogant™.
August 23, 2008 2:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you are getting paid for these kinds of posts.
August 23, 2008 4:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
August 23, 2008 2:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Biden scares them because he has worked beside the senile old guy for a long time and KNOWS how to make St Johnny erupt.
That and Mittens will fold against Biden in any substantiative debate.
August 23, 2008 2:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Romney (or anyone on his shortlist) is a match for Biden.
August 23, 2008 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I never thought of that, but it's true. Biden probably knows EXACTLY how to hit McCain's nerves. It's gonna be sooo great!
August 23, 2008 2:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is an excellent choice. Biden's foreign policy credentials put McCain to shame. It's on to victory now. I can feel it.
August 23, 2008 2:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yep!
August 23, 2008 2:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
If that is the case he will certainly reinforce that Obama, the one who would actually be president, is a lightweight. Biden will make Obama appear weaker not stronger.
August 23, 2008 2:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're just pissed because you know your ass is grass.
August 23, 2008 2:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Biden dropped out of the 2008 race for the Democratic presidential nomination after a poor finish in the Iowa caucuses, but not before he talked dismissively of joining someone else's ticket.
"I am not running for vice president," he said in a Fox interview. "I would not accept it if anyone offered it to me. The fact of the matter is I'd rather stay as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee than be vice president."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/veepstakes
No comment. Just an interesting quote.
August 23, 2008 2:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
In politics as in life situations change,
Biden lives in the real world
Not the MSM driven right wing talking points one.
August 23, 2008 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Joe Biden is part of history as of this morning, and now Iowa is just one of 50 states he will work to help in his new job.
August 23, 2008 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
There is one thing I *am* disappointed about -- with some of the clues that started coming out today, I was really hoping for it to be David Kurtz. That would have rocked.
August 23, 2008 2:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Messiah and Biden can now compare notes on plagiarism. They both have a lot of experience in that area.
August 23, 2008 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh freakin wow. Is that what you have to throw out? You guys are freakin toast.
August 23, 2008 2:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Beats the team of depends and magic under ware any day.
August 23, 2008 2:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Right, like the twice-fabricated cross in the dirt yarn, falsely attributed to Solzenitzen by a wingnut, then stolen by McCain.
But really, I like my plagiarism with a side of napa cabbage slaw with some oatmeal-butterscotch cookies for dessert.
August 23, 2008 2:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I suppose I'm getting a bit ahead of things, but assuming all goes well, does anyone expect Biden to make a run of it in 2016?
August 23, 2008 2:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, not with any real expectations of winning, he would be 72 when he would start campaigning for office.
August 23, 2008 2:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
No. He'll retire and let Mark Warner take the helm.
August 23, 2008 2:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's hope he keeps the "Indian accent" crap to minimum while he runs with his "clean and articulate" new boss.
August 23, 2008 2:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
One thing I'm sure is that when a reporter asks what is the number of homes that he owns, he'll be able to answer it.
August 23, 2008 2:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Biden is the perfect choice. I'm am heartily glad and relieved to hear of it.
August 23, 2008 2:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
From CNN:
August 23, 2008 2:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup. Biden will make Obama look as weak and lightweight as he actually is.
August 23, 2008 2:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Keep drinkin' that kool aid;
after all it worked so well two years ago.
August 23, 2008 2:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're just pissed because you know your ass is grass.
August 23, 2008 2:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
With your Hillary avatar, I nearly couldn't tell that you were a vile Republican troll. Nearly.
August 23, 2008 2:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
My immediate response is: If it had been Clinton (as the trolls here think it should've been), imagine what McCain would have to say then.
It's a predictable and weak response that'll die quickly.
August 23, 2008 2:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
So in otherwords, the Obama White House wont be filled with yes-men as we've witnessed the past eight years. That's change we can believe in.
August 23, 2008 2:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
"quickly realizing," just heard that from a repub on CNN, yet the numbers don't reflect that. Obama has the slight lead, now has Biden, and then the convention. And this is after WEEKS OF WITHERING ATTACKS BY MCCAIN. If they were quick to realize, McCain might be able to break 45% rather than linger around 43%.
August 23, 2008 2:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton supporters will most assuredly now not vote for Obama.
Biden can bring his massive support and appeal that he's shown in previous runs. Hahahaha.
August 23, 2008 2:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
You wish. Crawl back under your rock, Republican scum.
August 23, 2008 2:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
reinterpreted: Clinton supporters will now vote for a hardcore, warmongering Republican who will make universal health care impossible, place anti-choice judges on the supreme court, etc.
August 23, 2008 2:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
..you're just pissed because your ass is grass..
August 23, 2008 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
We already know about your obsession with ass.
August 23, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Senator Biden -" John McCain is a personal friend , great fried, I'll be HONORED to run with McCain or against him because the country will be better off no matter who won"
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
The hits just keep coming.
August 23, 2008 2:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're deep in the weeds.
August 23, 2008 2:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, one has to go to Comedy Central to get your quotes.
August 23, 2008 2:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Was it a coordinated effort for all the trolls to come out when this announcement was made? Seems kind of weird to me. Pumas on the prowl.
August 23, 2008 2:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, we all got a text message.
Bwahahaha.
August 23, 2008 2:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
And what did Mr. Schmidt's text message say?
August 23, 2008 2:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually his was a old message from Mark Foley he just read.
August 23, 2008 2:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
go forth, be fruitful, and be an mindless asshole
August 23, 2008 2:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, you really hurt my feelings with that one.
August 23, 2008 2:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I thought you left? Oh well. =)
And why do you keep "laughing"? Are you really that freaked out over Biden?
August 23, 2008 2:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Joe Biden Rips GOP On Iraq War Resolution
August 23, 2008 2:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
That guy is annoying.
August 23, 2008 2:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Annoying in the sense that he can get into McCain's craw and make him snap like the erratic pscho he is annoying?
August 23, 2008 2:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
By the need for the trolls to spout so much certainty that Biden is so bad for Obama it means they crapped their pants when it was revealed, and now are trying to Rovian playbook attack the strength.
Too bad for them it has failed so far in this campaign cycle.
August 23, 2008 2:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Precisely what I've been saying. Though you state it so well.
"...it means they crapped their pants when it was revealed."
LoL!
August 23, 2008 2:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, and they're just pissed because they know their ass is grass.
August 23, 2008 2:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
What is this Obamic obsession with ass?
August 23, 2008 2:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
I dunno, but he's certainly got a nicer one than Hillary. I'm sorry, but those nation-birthing hips are a HUGE turnoff.
August 23, 2008 2:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, I'm just a little giddy that Obama didn't pick Clinton. His loss would have screwed her future chances.
August 23, 2008 2:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Future chances for you to vote against her? Please, go back to listening to the recordings you made of Oliver North's radio show.
August 23, 2008 2:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
What future chances?
August 23, 2008 2:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
When you're old enough to drink.
August 23, 2008 2:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, that was just a pathetic response. I mean, really, is it because it's so late or what?
August 23, 2008 2:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lol, my thoughts exactly. fogu's been off his game lately. Ever since Obama won the primary, it seems. Ohh, it all makes sense now!
August 23, 2008 2:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know how that's really a response. But I guess it would matter if I cared whether I'm able to legally drink alcohol now or not. In the USA. But I guess you don't know much outside of the USA, do you? =\ How unfortunate...
August 23, 2008 2:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hawaii is exotic.
August 23, 2008 2:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Haha! Of course. I've lived there. It was fun, even though I kinda don't remember it very well at all.
I noticed that fogu has resorted to personal attacks against me. I think I hit a nerve at some point. That makes me smile.
August 23, 2008 2:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fogu is in a tailspin downward I'm afraid, rocking in the corner and paranoia setting in. I'm sorry that you have become one of targets of fogu's fixation.
August 23, 2008 2:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I find it genuinely hilarious, but thanks for the sympathy.
August 23, 2008 2:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Permanent senator from NY, sort of a 21st cen Ted Kennedy.
August 23, 2008 2:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget to leave out Kennedy's core liberal statist principles when making that analogy.
August 23, 2008 2:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ooooh, that was cold, Clif! Ha-ha!
August 23, 2008 3:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Picking Clinton would have guaranteed him a loss.
August 23, 2008 2:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please stop responding as if this "person" were actually a supporter of Senator Clinton. I assure you, he is not.
August 23, 2008 2:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't agree, Hillary would've helped Obama.
But I'm happy with what Biden brings: Catholic, kid in Iraq, working class guy, life story rich with emotional content therefore easily memorable, and most important, an effective attack dog who can conceive, deliver and repeat succinct, catchy messages.
August 23, 2008 2:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
To all of you who are sad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMqSKJYMZww&feature=related
August 23, 2008 2:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
HAHA!
August 23, 2008 2:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice.
August 23, 2008 2:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I feel truly satisfied with this choice. I think it was smart. I hope they get those text messages out as soon as possible... maybe they were planning a 3am phone call... if not they should definitely realize they've been scooped and get them out asap.
August 23, 2008 2:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a good and fair comment, as to the texts. They probably had legal requirements they may not have fully grasped in terms of Secret Service.
August 23, 2008 2:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is one they could never control, when the secret service found out Biden was his pick they had to preform their duties text message or no text message, hand the MSM a little credit for thinking out side the beltway box and watching something no campaign controls.
August 23, 2008 2:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
If no reporter could break this story before the anticipated text-message, then there is nobody worthy of that title left in America. (And, yes, I still have my doubts!)
August 23, 2008 2:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
It showed good, mature leadership and confidence of Obama and his team to ignore egomaniac Hillary and spoiled-sport PUMA dead-enders. Excellent.
Biden will right help make the campaign much more about W, the worst president anyone can remember.
August 23, 2008 2:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Definitely. If he'd picked Clinton he would've been seen as extremely weak. I'm SO GLAD he didn't pick her.
August 23, 2008 2:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's probably true. But I'll believe it only when we have better authorities than AP and CNN.
August 23, 2008 2:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Get with the program, Dirk! Ha-ha! This has occurred, transpired, taken place! It's Joe!
August 23, 2008 2:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
August 23, 2008 2:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, yes! He should have added, "...and is not suffering from dementia."
August 23, 2008 2:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup.
Takeaways:
1. Obama is weak
2. Biden has no voter support
August 23, 2008 2:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's your takeaways? ARTICULATE how choosing someone who will help implement solutions is an indication of weakness, and how discussing governance leads to a conclusion about voter support.
August 23, 2008 3:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Biden is a loser. No one voted for him. Loser.
Obama needs him to fill the experience credibility void. Weak. Loser.
Net: Team Loser
August 23, 2008 3:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Go back to 2000 Repub primary, McCain: Loser.
2008 Dem Primary: Clinton: loser.
But the point, and try to follow me here please, is that my post was about governance not the election. So to have conclusions (takeaways in your world) based in the elections on a post focused on goverance just causes me to be confused how you derived said conclusions (takeaways).
August 23, 2008 3:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
This usually the point in a debate when fugo flees. Consistency is a virtue.
August 23, 2008 3:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually I didn't because it requires a fundamental belief that the federal government has a legitmate and valued role in solving domestic issues. FEMA is a perfect example, Bill Clinton putting the expert in charge, the Bush putting the incompentent one in just so they can say look, it doesn't work. McCain is of the same mindset.
August 23, 2008 2:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
blah, blah, blah, Clinton.
August 23, 2008 3:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
So you are far side cartoon of a dog watching CNN blah blah blah Clinton blah blah blah Clinton blah blah blah Clinton.
Got it.
August 23, 2008 3:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now you're getting it. The only words you've recently said of any merit are Bill Clinton. Other than that everything your say can easily be summed up as:
blah, blah, blah, blah.
August 23, 2008 3:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a variation of the response whereupon one sticks one's fingers in one's ear and says "I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LALALALALALALA!"
August 23, 2008 3:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your troll-game is really weakening here in the wee hours, Sir. Perhaps you should take this up again after a good night's sleep and re-reading some Bill Kristol columns.
August 23, 2008 3:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
The wee hours are only for the hearty. Those of faint constitution must consider taking the necessary precautions lest they begin to make pronouncements that the community shall deem less than appropriate for one of a mature intellect.
August 23, 2008 3:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well said! HEAR HIM! HEAR HIM!
August 23, 2008 3:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's troll game has been weakening since Obama clinched the nomination and Hillary shamefully lost.
August 23, 2008 3:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I had heard rumors of Republican operatives posing as Hillary supporters on blogs well before the primaries had ended, but was skeptical. Now, I know that his is surely the case. No true Democrat would sow this bitterness. Nor would a person true to anything.
August 23, 2008 3:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. It makes me all the more proud that I've riled it up so much. I honestly don't know why these trolls try to get to me. Oh well. Their idiocy is entertaining at times. Lmfao!
August 23, 2008 4:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080823/ap_on_el_ge/veepstakes_analysis
August 23, 2008 2:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Such a good point! Had he picked, say, Kid Rock, that would have demonstrated much more confidence.
August 23, 2008 2:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
From Nate Silver:
"It's a good choice. The media will love Joe Biden. He passes the ready-on-day-one-test. Older voters like him, which means that Pennsylvania probably isn't a swing state anymore, but that Florida might be."
=)
August 23, 2008 3:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
And Silver was TOTALLY for Hilllary.
Good sign.
August 23, 2008 3:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
He still argues that Hillary would have been the best choice, but he pretty much says Biden is the next best thing.
August 23, 2008 4:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. Imagine what they would say if he'd picked Hillary. The AP really has it in for the Dems this cycle.
Fortunately, Biden himself will speak loudest about what kind of nominee he is, and his plain, passionate eloquence will make this AP crap look like the silly twittering it is.
August 23, 2008 3:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Has anyone else gotten an email or text message from the Obama campaign? One person on a previous thread said they had, but I haven't heard that from anyone else . . .
August 23, 2008 2:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think so, I think that person was yanking our chain.
Also, for you all, here is a quick write on Jill Biden. She seems lovely.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-clemons/wait-til-america-gets-to_b_120703.html
August 23, 2008 3:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jill is hot, hot, HOT! They call Biden "Mom's boyfriend," well, daddy's got a new favorite too! Sha-wing!!!
August 23, 2008 3:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Holy crap, she IS hot. That's awesome!
August 23, 2008 3:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
And an educator. Say good bye to no child left behind.
August 23, 2008 3:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wait! Is nobody going to notice the gay-friendly -- no, the gay hyper-friendly -- aspect of the report in that link?