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Polls: Race Remains Tight In Five Key Battlegrounds

A new round of polls today shows a continued close race in four key battleground states that all voted for George W. Bush in 2004, but there is reason for cautious optimism about Barack Obama.

A new University of Akron poll shows Ohio to be tied: Obama 40%, McCain 40%. The internals show just how important Democratic unity is for Obama: Only 45% of people who voted for Hillary Clinton in the Ohio primary say they'll vote for Obama, with 29% going for McCain and the rest undecided -- but as this poll totally predates Hillary's big speech at the convention, this could change.

And a new round of CNN polls in three Western states shows Obama generally doing quite well:

He's up 53%-40% in New Mexico, well outside the ±4% margin of error.

He's up 49%-44% in Nevada, with a ±4% margin of error -- contrary to other recent polls that have McCain ahead here.

However, McCain is given a slight edge in the potentially pivotal state of Colorado: McCain 47%, Obama 46%, with a ±4% margin of error. This poll was taken partly during the Dem Convention in Denver, so it's still possible that the convention in its entirety can produce a local bounce.

Late Update: In addition, the CNN poll has Obama up 48%-43% in Pennsylvania.


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I'm just sort of curious: why did you omit the PA poll?

...or list the Colorado poll first.

To bring out the trolls?

I am still not paying attention to the polls. With all the noise about McCain getting close, Obama is still trouncing him in the states that matter. If Obama can still NM, CO, VA and MT then McCain doesn't have a chance. Obama doesn’t need to win Ohio but he should maintain the states John Kerry won in 2004. I am sure PA will deliver for him come November. He has already agreed to pay the street money to the ward leader in Philly. That should be a home run.

I meant steal in my statement

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The 'street money' sounded more interesting....

But you are right. PA is looking good. MT may be little, but what's going on there is certainly interesting. Who knows, this thing could become a blowout.

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If you take the Kerry States and just just add Iowa, NV and NM we win with 272 EV.

You sure? I think that actually leads to a tie--269-269. In which case Nebraska (!) and Maine, with their electoral distribution counts, suddenly take on added importance (any chance that Obama can carry one of Nebraska's districts?).

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53-40 in New Mexico is 'tight'? Has any poll shown Obama with a 13-point lead in New Mexico before? (Not even close.)

You know one thing about Eric, he is delusional

...shows a continued close race...
53-40 is close?
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Well, sure--as I posted in another thread, given that this is the worst president ever, and McCain is the worst candidate ever, Obama probably should lead by 89 points, conservatively, in New Mexico.


A lead of only 13 is microscopic, in comparison.

Here is an important caveat on Ohio's poll.

McCain's age may be a bigger factor than Obama's race among Ohio voters.
A majority of registered voters say Obama will win Ohio in 2008, despite the fact that the candidates are tied in the level of support.

That is, in fact, an unimportant caveat. That's a group of randomly selected voters trying to act as prognosticators. There's no particular reason to believe that they're any better at it than the stupid talking television heads who take each new poll as the decisive indication of the shape of the race. There are many reasons to believe that they are worse at it than Nate at 538, who has McCain as the slight favorite to win Ohio (although without factoring in this poll).

All that we're interested in from voters is their candidate preferences. Their silly predictions they can keep to themselves. Or could if CNN wasn't writing the questions, anyway.

This is actually a more important caveat than you'd think. Back in 1980, my dad was voting for Jimmy Carter -- he got to the voting booth late despite the fact that Reagan was already considered the winner by the time he got there. As he strolled up to vote, Reagan was again pronounced the winner by on local television and someone behind him in line said 'Well, I guess I know who I need to vote for'.

*Never* underestimate the power of *presumed* victory to make people behave in a certain way that creates the condition for it to actually occur because it can, and it will, influence people -- both for the 'underdog' and to be on the 'right' or 'winning' side.

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The OH numbers are encouraging. Do we really think that many Hillary supporters are going to vote with McCain? Once the election is closer, they will vote with their conscience rather than out of spite. (at least I'm pretty sure)

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You obviously haven't been brainwashed yet by traditional media, have you?

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I guess not. Though maybe MSN would say my body language is saying something different.

I'd say that these numbers look pretty good.

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Eric? You're just trying to aggravate people, aren't you?

You post about all five polls, but only include the one where McCain and Obama are tied in the poll tracker.

You're just baiting people, aren't you?

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Ignore this. Guess who bit?

CT Voter but I enjoy your passion about polls so please don't stop w/ your comments.

If the Democrats can bring a good number of the Undecideds Formerly Known as Hillary Voters home, John McCain is in very big trouble. And if they're lured back based on positions and platform, as Hillary urged last night, they won't be as susceptible to the substanceless kinds of attacks McCain has planned for the next two months, I would imagine, as some independents might be.

Thus the relentless GOP/MSM efforts to stymie any perception of emerging party unity.

Why spending time mentioning polls. It does not mean anything unless you spend time talking about internals and cross tabs...

So if Obama get Iowa, New Mexico that 12 EVs so if he wins the same states as Kerry and win Colorado he would be the president...

The Obama team knows what they are doing...

Word. These guys made the impossible and beat the Clinton Machinery (The Dem Party establishment) by hard work, a well defined plan and a great strategy. Now they're facing four adversaries: the GOP, the MSM, some resistance from inside and the prejudice and ignorance of some americans. They are fighting this with the help of many resources (financial, technical and human) and a powerful ground game as never seen before.

If they pull this off and change the political map in the process, they should get the Congressional Medal of Honor, because this is war (we like it or not, it is) and it's only starting. Now, united as one, let's win this and start a new chapter.

PD: Sometimes it sounded corny, isn't it?

There are two things that continue to bother me(not that anyone should care):

1) If smear campaigns work, then what does it say about us?

2) If Clinton backers still refuse to vote for Obama, then they need to come up with better reasons than I have heard so far. If they can't, then I will have to assume that they are racists and simply will not vote for a black man.

Carry on.

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I think assuming that they are racist is a very unwise tactic and not very convincing as analysis either. Tactically, it falls into a pit that Obama is struggling not to fall into: denouncing people as racist for disagreeing with you. That's not Obama's style at all; if it were, he wouldn't be where he is. We do him no service by plugging this line. In fact, if I were a McCain mole, this is what I would push.

Analytically, surely it is the case with some voters, but I don't think these are the types that spend time online talking politics. A lot of it seems to me to do with the politics of personality, and the sense that some grave injustice has been done to Hillary (a sentiment to which I do not agree.) For these folks, I'm not sure what works, though I was impressed by Hillary last night; I hope (but am not confident) that Bill can provide the same. However, again: calling them racists only pushes them from the fold and thus hurts Obama's campaign.

I approve of the objective headline. The rest of you guys, cut Eric some slack. If you aren't willing to offer constructive criticism of the reporting, check the name-calling at the door or please go elsewhere.

Bad news for Obama.

These polls were taken after Biden annoucement as the VP and during the convention and he is barely leading in PA and Nevada.

And just registered voters -- not likely voters.

^^^^^^^^^^^^-resident troll-^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Spare me.

Now imagine if the polls were taken next week during their convention.

Imagine if you had a clue!

you don't, so moveon.org.

That is, the objective headline on the main page.

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Intesting poll numbers.

Good to see that Obama is still doing well in these states while the general election polls during these times show a tightening.

We are going to win Ohio.

Book it!

gee ya think the polls will stay exactly like this for two months - ya think

OMG NOOOOO!!!

HOW WILL I SLEEP TONIGHT??

Obama again takes the lead in the National Gallop Poll today!

Eric,

Race remains tight? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.


Obama is five pts ahead in PA AND NEVADA. 7 PT ahead in New Mexico. 1 pt ahead in Flordia, Ohio and Texas are toss ups. I think it is safe to say.
Obama is doing just fine.


P.S. Traditionally those states have always been close.

obama and his delusional backers have deprived of us our opurtunity to beat the republicans. hillary warned us america wasn't ready for a black president and the glass cieling for women is higher any how

So let me get this straight...Obama can't win because America's not "ready for a black president"..but Hillary could've won even though "the glass cieling (sic) for women is higher any how (sic)".

I know logic isn't your strong suit, but if it's harder for a woman to get elected than a black man (as you seem to be saying, near as I can tell from your sloppy writing), why would Hillary be more likely to win?

Damn it, now I have to change my shorts- I just crapped in them. Oh, the humanity!

Seriously, I will pay attention to polls after the first debate. Moving on....

Can't pay attention to any of these polls until after the first debate.

Best round of state polls I've seen in awhile. If Obama somehow pulls off Ohio, it's all over. Otherwise it will come down to the Big 3 in the West (NV, NM, and CO) and we will all be up late, late, late on election night.

And kudos to geha714 and everything that Obama's up against. People keep saying "He should be further ahead..." I say it's incredible that he's in a halfway decent position to win.

THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

Oh, wait... Uh, on second thought... hmmm.... well, maybe not.

never mind....

McCain VP pick has been leaked: Shocking details of who emerged the winner.


http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/08/leaked-details-about-mccains-v.php

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS FOR HILLARY !!!

are we still doin that ???

Hillary just suspended the roll call and called for Barack Obama to be nominated by acclamation

just in time for the 8:00 prime time news blurb

pretty good stage craft for democrats

The CNN state polls for NM and NV are at odds with CNN's national poll showing a tied race. (CO and PA are consistent with CNN's national number).

With 20% undecided/other, the Akron poll of OH is either worthless or somewhat good news for McCain because undecideds are likely to break heavily against Obama like they did in the primaries from March 1 onward.

Rasmussen's tracker has McCain up 1 and Gallup's tracker has Obama up 1 so it's a tie in the tracking polls after 2 convention days.

Dr. Zaius' Carefully Massaged Facts Brand!

The only good poll is the one spelled POLE, to be used in completing the transformation of Popeye into the right-wing sock puppet he has become.

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It's all about four states...

1. Virginia (this is the big one)
2. Colorado (second most important)
3. New Mexico
4. Nevada

After that, all he has to do is retain Pennsylvania, Iowa, Minnesota - and he comes out at 270.

its amazing i can't find these polls on cnn... if they were bad it would be on their front page........

Pouffle (sp?)gave a very, very interesting tutorial about:

(1)what accounts for daily "movement" in nat'l polls - especially Gallup's tracking poll (I think he called the "tracking poll the worst thing to happen to journalism in the last 20 years" - or something like that;

(2)what the Obama campaign is looking at in the states that must be won - down to the very specific demographics of those states and how Obama is performing w/those demographics.

He said other things, but I do think it might be good for TPM Election Central to think about how it reports polling data. It might want to have some sort of policy about deciding when numbers represent a "trend" as opposed to blips/noise. For example, a move from 45-44 (Obama) one week to 44-46 (McCain)the next week does not represent "movement" and therefore might not warrant a huge, bold headline. (Note: Especially since it is back to 45-44 Obama today).

If CNN is to be critiqued for irresponsible political "reporting," then isn't it important that online news try to do better??

Or are blogs/websites driven by the same market share concerns as cable news and daily newspapers??

In other words: what TadAllagash said...

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