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Poll: Plurality Says Obama Unprepared For Presidency

Here's a troubling number from the new CBS/New York Times poll: A plurality of Americans say Barack Obama is not prepared for the job, with only 44% of registered voters saying he is prepared, compared to 49% saying he is not

On the bright side, Obama does have a narrow 45%-42% lead in the horse race, and 55% of voters say they can relate to him as compared to 41% for McCain -- but the McCain team has worked very hard to sow doubts among voters about Obama's commander-in-chief readiness, and this suggests that those attacks may be working.


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Well he just jumped from +1 to +3 in Ras with leaners, that would contradict the claim that the attacks are aworking.

Just one piece of evidence, I know.

Right, that 49% number defies logic, which indicates that it can be discounted.

The good news about these polls is that they will be a good kick in the pants for Obama supporters to help out the campaign with cash and labor.

The Obama campaign itself will be continue to exactly follow their original plan.

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Oops, that was Penna, not national. Scrap that.

It's still +5 without leaners.

I agree. Its Obama by 5pt in PA---period.

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Yet if the question were asked:

How many Americans believe that McInsane is capable of sanity?

Did the survery ask whether people thought that Senator Wackadoo was ready to lead?

BTW Thank you Hillary Clinton.

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Don't just blame her, Joe Biden agrees:
ABC's George Stephanopoulos: "You were asked is he ready. You said 'I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.'"

Sen. Biden: "I think that I stand by the statement." (ABC's "This Week," 8/19/07)

Sen. Biden: "Having talking points on foreign policy doesn't get you there." ("Biden Lashes Out At Obama," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, blogs.abcnews.com, 8/2/07)

Nevermind the fact Biden himself was in the race too at the time.

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You're right...he's ready...he Majored in International Relations...
"Well, actually, my experience in foreign policy is probably more diverse than most others in the field. I'm somebody who has actually lived overseas, somebody who has studied overseas. I majored in international relations."

...you can't expet more than that I guess.

Eric,

No disrespect, but you're worst than Mark Penn with these polls. Enough already with the polls.

He does indeed suck at reading polls.

This is bad news.

He has a very narrow window of opportunity now in which to change things.

Unless he makes the right VP pick, we could be looking at this next year and saying that Kerry lost his race just after the convention and Obama lost his just before.

geezuz...are you always mr. doomsday? you're like all the pudnits who keep askign "WHATS WRONG WITH OBAMA?" when he's up and "OMGGG OH NOEZZZ" when he's down.

Three things need to be done:

- Announce his VP, and foreign policy team, and show off the generals who support him a few more times. Do some more FP speeches surrounded by military.

- Start hitting McCain on his reckless, hysterical reactions to crises. We can't afford a highly personalized, emotional foreign policy of confrontation with whoever John McCain just dislikes. He's a nutcase and dangerous for America.

- Neutralize or minimize McCain's "advantages" on war issues. (Turn it around and make it, McCain is itching for confrontation) And put the focus back on economics, a la 1992.

Obama may be younger and less experienced but he's not crazy. Draft dodger Bill Clinton beat the far more experienced GHWB. Mostly due to economic worries.

A plurality or thin poll day?

By the way, aren't some of these polls getting into pushpoll territory?

They always ask pointed questions based on GOP lines of attack. Is Obama ready to lead? Is he a muslim? Is America ready for a black president?

How about tossing in a few qs like: Does Mccain's serial adultery bother you? Can a hothead lead the country safely?

Shhh...you are not supposed to be so uppity as to point out the corporate media and every other corporate outfit are cheerleaders for the ReThugs...

the McCain team has worked very hard to sow doubts among voters about Obama's commander-in-chief readiness

It isn't only him, you know. Our own heroine went around telling people that the trigger-happy warmonger was better prepared to be C-in-C than the person who has shown consistent good judgment on just about every issue of national security (now WSJ is saying that the timetable treaty is just about a reality: http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB121925351447057223-lMyQjAxMDI4MTI5MDIyNTAzWj.html) of these times...

Oops, please remove the parenthesis from the end of the link for it to work...

Yep. And hJr Greatness actually said that she was qualified and McCain was, but not Obama. No more, no less. That's what she said.

BUT DON'T YOU GO BLAMING HER! SHE AND HER SUPPORTERS NEED CATHARSIS, NOT ACCOUNTABILITY! Any way the best way to support the party is to back her through thick and thin, as I understand. Facts be damned.

accountability...

Let's see, Obama cannot convince people he's ready, now whose fault is it?

Hillery, of course.

LOL

You mean Hillary "John McCain has passed the Commander in Chief Threshold, but you will have to ask Senator Obama with respect to his candidacy" Clinton?

Exactly.

Oh, ok, I thought maybe you were talking about Hillary "John McCain brings a lifetime of experience, Senator Obama brings a speech he gave in 2003" Clinton.

Yes

Remember, though, Bill (nobody is prepared to be president) Clinton in included in that 49% and he still might vote for Obama in November.

and that's a big "might".

One message that strikes me as needing to be said is "The Cowboy". Basically, show clips of Bush pre-election 2000. Then show his actions post. Then mirror Bush's 'cowboy-esque' statements with McCain. Show how both of them just love to make quick blanket statements about using force/war to solve problems.

Then, finish it up with, "we don't need another cowboy" or something like that. I think that's a big area they should be tapping into. This plays to the 'hot head' comments from yesterday about McCain. Show him as grumpy-old-man whose only solution is 'war!'.

Yeah, I like that idea. Someone should send the Obama campaign an amateur version of it!

I wonder if a good percentage of that could be Hillary voters who are still stewing. Maybe they are saying they will vote for him, but he's not ready. Kind of their way of "going along with it but not happy about it."

That number makes sense. Obama is young and relatively unkown, especially when compared to McCain being a household name for about a decade. His biggest hurdle: selling the Boomers that it's time to pass on leadership to the next generation. That was never going to be a quick sell. Plus he happens to be running against the only Republican candidate who could put up a fight.

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Speaking of Hillary, she's been awfully quiet at a time when she should be loudly cheering for the nominee, all the while her brother is flirting with the opposition and she doesn't say word one about that or the shenanigans of the rest of her deluded camp.

Does she value her future in Democratic politics? Looks like the answer is no. Because if Obama loses, she's laying the groundwork to become the second most hated figure in the party after Obama himself.

I thought she already is.

And, in case you have figured it out, anything Clinton gets reported in the media ONLY if there is an opportunity to shit on them. Not when any of them is out there stumping.

Then point me to a Democratic blog that documents this "stumping". I haven't seen one word about it.

Huh?

Shouldn't you be asking Josh Marshall about this? Or the Obama campaign?

Josh has the only Democratic blog? Nice try, buddy.

You're talking out your ass. Hillary is doing bupkis- not even riding herd on her own idiot supporters which is HER JOB- and you know that damned well. Instead, she's still making ridiculous demands like the roll-call vote. She's too stupid and egotistical to realize that she's destroying her own political future.

One tiny consolation of a McCain victory would be permanently curing the body politic of the disease that is the Clinton mafia.

I guess you are admitting that this was always about Hillary. Never about Obama. Since her job according to you is to win this election for him.

It's about her only to the extent that she and her moronic, traitorous supporters- like you- have maneuvered to make it so. As I said, if you care about her future, you'd better be praying that Obama wins.

So are you saying that she and her moronic supporters like me out-maneuvered Obama and his moronic supporters like you??

One advice, if you hit a tree while driving - take driving lessons, stop blaming trees for growing on roadside.

Guess what, troll, I'm lukewarm about Obama myself, especially after the FISA and faith-based fiascos. It's all about BEATING MCCAIN- which I regard as a national emergency. If you're actually a Democrat, you should realize that if Obama needs help that's all the more reason for Hillary to step up and help him, not nurse her stupid wounded ego and make ridiculous demands about her "place" at the convention. Again, if she doesn't do this and he loses, forget about her running in 2012, she'll be persona non grata. She'll even get a stiff primary challenge in NY.

Your threats are clearly very motivating. Good approach.

I'm always happy to demotivate Republicans, fool. You're welcome.

So keep right at it, fool.

After all, look how far that approach has gotten them!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

There are two possibilities here: You are a diehard Hillary supporter, who even after two or three months will not take heed of the call in her concession to fight with Obama to defeat McCain, or you are McCain supporter looking to get reward points for your trollery.

If you are the first, then I pity you. If she was the superior candidate, she would have defeated him. If an inexperienced politician like Obama could defeat her, (though he's held elected office longer than her), what good would she be against McCain?

If you are the second, you are facing the man that beat the Clintons. You are facing the guy that outmanuevered the party's best political manueverers, who is even now expanding the party's base. You don't have a ground game, he does, and when this campaign starts in earnest, you will regret underestimating him, just like Hillary came to regret underestimating him.

My policy with trolls is to take them serious enough to beat the crap out of them. I figure if I can take the air out of people like you, I can undermine your mission to spread doubt and fear.

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Uh, no.
What we are saying is that she most certainly has no business losing it for him.
There is a difference.

With all due respect, Clinton has been upset that she hasn't been used more by the Obama campaign. The fault there doesn't lie with her - it lies with them.

panic time. PUMA alert. Now, they can all sit at their computers and echo what someone in a thread above did- that kerry lost the election after the convention, Obama lost it before. The sky is FALLING! PANIC, PANIC. Lets all head for the hills! The media is bored and they want the election to get interesting and therefore this hysteria about the polls so Obama will put HRC on the ticket and then they can bash her (which I don't mind at all) and Obama for making a very poor choice. But, hopefully, axelrod and company are NOT listening to the media and have selected a VP other than HRC. I don't care about polls in august. but, it is before the convention, enough ammunition for the PUMA types to make noise and screw things up for O so the media can have their stupid ratings. andwe are all falling for it hook, line and sinker.

Stage XX - "Denial"

Remember that?

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Obama is never going to beat McCain on experience. For most voters, "experience" simply means, "years in politics/government". McCain has the added benefit of being a veteran. But this is a change election, as the polls continue to show, and McCain does not represent change. Plus, you can always knock down "experience" with "lack of judgement". The Obama camp is starting to do more of that with the "he's a hothead who shoots from the hip" attacks.

Any poll you get this week is going to reflect the vacation that Obama was on and the week that McCain had to himself. Just because another outfit came out with a poll does not change the fact that they are polling at the same time. McCain had a good week of polling, but this hysteria is out of control. If it is a trend then we can talk.

McCain is the known candidate, he is the war hero,that gives him a built in advantage. When clinton was the known candidate she was up 30 points.McCain has been down consistently 3-6 points. How is that a good thing that the known candidate is down and a bad thing that the unkown candidate is up. It is always the opposite. Bush senior was the known guy and he was up against Clinton until the convention. Please show me an election where the known candidate has been behind early and then come back to win.

If it is a trend then we can talk.

So how do you read the Pollster.com national graph on the right side of this page? That looks kind of "trendy" to me. Care to put a smiley face on that for us? Seriously, you're WAITING for a trend to show up? At the present rate, by the end of the GOP convention McCain will be ahead across the board. Why? Because the candidate with two clearly love and lovable children is having to defend himself against charges of infanticide. Many of us who've been wringing our hands over the polls are trying to make a point. Stop the damn dithering and stand up and fight these vicious bastards.

Just heard that Iraq and the WH have agreed on a withdrawal timetable, tentatively set for next June.

Obama's next ad: I was pushing for this a year and a half ago but McCain wants to be there for another hundred.

So who's not prepared to be president?

I think it's pretty funny that Shrub is trying to salvage some shred of a legacy from his disastrous policy, and obviously couldn't care less about undercutting McCrazy in the process. No love lost there, I'm guessing.

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Gee! What a shock! What a startling development! Why would people think that?

Let's see...

McCain spends the entire summer telling people Obama is a frivolous, celeb who isn't prepared to be President. The Obama camp stands there and takes the beating as though they own the race for President and never even attempts to push back beyond whining that McCain needs to stop questioning his patriotism. Then, by some inscrutable process, by the end of the open season on Obama, half the people think he is not ready to be President. What a mystery eh?

Although I have joined the camp of those officially worried by the apparent lethargy of the Obama campaign (although they finally seem to be stepping up the attacks a bit the last couple of days), I have to say I'm encouraged that McCain has generated so little movement with his "celebrity lightweight" attacks.

I agree that this is a push poll. It's like asking which of the two candidates is more like previous presidents (i.e., which is white). Same as asking who is younger and thus subtly suggesting that the youth aspect should be frightening.

Also agree that Hillary hasn't done anything of note to help the ticket and that she is an egomaniacal disgrace.

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One thing that bothers me in many of these polls is the whole, "would make a good commander-in-chief", question. (I know they asked separate "prepared to lead" and "commander-in-chief" questions but McCain beat Obama on both) You'll never, ever, see Obama win that one. Why? Because he didn't serve in the military. In our day and age, "commander-in-chief", has taken on a distinctly military definition. The founders, however, made the president "commander-in-chief" of the nation's armed forces in order to ensure CIVILIAN control of the military. Military leaders don't often make the right political decisions or the right decisions for the country. The president's ability to see things outside of a military point-of-view is the key to being a successful commander-in-chief. It's what the founders intended. McCain almost always sees foreign policy issues and crises as military problems first, which is why his response almost always involves some sort of military action or saber rattling. That's not a positive trait to have in a president...in fact, it's a negative.

It's funny to see the comments above of those pissed off that HRC is not insisting her supporters get behind Obama. I have 2 points in that regard.

1) This has become as much about the DNC and Obama himself as it is about Hillary. Even Hillary could not cause party unity at this point as much as she is admired.

2)Many of you are the same folks that a mere month or so ago were cursing out HRC and making it clear 'we don't need you old bitter women ANYWAY'. Probably not a smart move in retrospect huh?

Obama will lose this election. It is as simple as that and the people who Obama supporters took such pleasure in calling bitter, old, women living with their cats, etc... will be a huge reason for it.

What if you're just a closet misandrist, though?

What if you're just a fuckt@ard that is now realizing that you militant Obama supporters have F'D up royally thinking you had this in the bag to the point of being able to blow off HRC supporters in the most hateful ways possible?

Lorin,

You sound so sophomoric. As i see it , ur one of two Clinton stooges on this thread bitching and moaning about how poorly Obama supporters treated Hillary during the primaries. I do recall Clinton and her surrogates make inflammatory comments about Obama throughout the primaries. Certainly, i could understand your frustration, i mean, your candidate did lose fair and square, however, you should be directing your anger towards the MSM not Obama and his supporters.

Oh yeah, and, as always, we're totally feelin' the love back from you and the other angry Hillary diehards, too. And hey, what's not to love? You're all always showing us such deep inner beauty, such profound powers of reason, such a deep concern for the greater good of the nation, and such an abundance of selfless motherly concern for the well-being of the next generation, all wrapped up in a generally adorable demeanor, that our failure to bend over backwards to conciliate you is just totally inexplicable.

Don't u trolls ever take a break from whining?

Yes, occasionally us HRC trolls take a few minutes to just enjoy the panic of all of you Obama followers that we knew was surely coming.

Ahhh, what fun! :)

What goes around comes around?

LOL

Absolutely, and ain't it grand?

I can't wait to see who's whining when I check into the blogs on Nov. 5th!

:)

Seriously, are you so bitter as to sit at home with your cat and watch McCain get elected? Some Democrat you are.

When Obama wins, you will have had nothing to do with it.

I'm not bitter, I'm empowered!

I have 3 dogs, no cats.

Contrary to popular belief, some of us are very happily married and just don't like having democracy removed from the Democratic Party. I would think this would be of concern to any TRUE Democrat.

WTF are you talking about?

Is this a caucus state argument? Because I'm lost.

Rewind to the past: There were rules, all agreed. Hillary lost.

Fast forward to the present: I don't want McCain to be President, which is the issue at hand, do you? Would you be satisfied with your hubby and 3 dogs to watch the country continue down the tubes?

Actually I also have 2 sons ages 15, 17, and 26, and I trust McCain 1000% more than I do Obama. He has 2 sons in Iraq and will always do what's best for America.

Obama on the other hand will turn us into an impotent Marxist nation if he has his way. No thanks you!

Okey dokey. Thanks for the education.

I'm sure you were one of Hillary's biggest supporters.

Your two sons are 15, 17 and 26?(that's 3)

Did you forget how many houses you own too?

And you're a "small business owner"? OK, me too, and I also employ people. Bully for us.

One last question: Do you in fact live under a bridge, and collect tolls from passersby?

typo- 3 sons

People change their mind like the wind, and two months is a lifetime in campaigns, especially now considering the crazy amount of coverage each candidate gets.

The debates will be huge for Obama, he really needs to nail the National Security/Foreign Affairs debate.

Jonze,

I agree. He needs to be clear and concise at the debates.

I think we all saw how well Obama will be able to accomplish this at the recent Saddleback forum.

He's TOAST!!!

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Lori - I have two questions for you. Does John McCain represent the policies and values that made you a Hillary supporter? And will you be happy with John McCain as president?

Lori is a troll. Trolls don't have problems. :)

It's really just hard to comprehend that some on this thread could relish the idea of an Obama loss when supposedly they were once Hillary supporters. Do you people realize that Hillary and Barack are twins on 99% of the issues? Don't you get that an Obama loss = a McCain win? Hillary is no longer an option. All we have is the Democrat and the Republican now. I know this is a reasonable argument and sure to be ignored, but I try anyway.

Please, explain how Obama losing helps this country. Or is it all about you?

I don't think this has anything to do with who wins.

It has all to do with giving you back some of your own medicine.

Tasty?

Yup, it's all about him, her, or it. Not a Democrat, not a patriot, just a pathetic loser of a troll.

No, it's a Presidential election. At the end, there will be a winner, and a loser. My issue is with your glee at the prospect of an Obama loss, and hence, a McCain Presidency.

I know it's pointless, and this back and forth amounts to a troll feeding frenzy. You just seemed to lucid over the past few days, I thought it might be worth the effort. I was wrong.

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And you were the person in the comments to another post today calling Obama and the Dems petty and small and desperate for using McCain's lack of knowledge about the number of homes he owned to highlight how out of touch he was on the economy.

Pot, meet kettle.

We're just over 2 months away from making a decision about who is going to be the next president of the United States, the direction this country is going to take in the next 4-8 years. And you're focusing on payback?

You're a child.

I was referring to the comments about Hillary here, when I said "your own medicine" .

But I'm not surprised you took it to mean something else.

Yep. Because there were never disparaging comments about Obama here. Certainly not by the same people who are still doing it now.

In that light, it is perfectly reasonable to posit that clinically fact-challenged people like LoriInMO are merely balancing the scales somehow.

Don76,

Thank you. How does supporting a candidate who opposes womens reproductive rights, pro-choice judges, affirmative action, a sensible energy policy, a robust economic polict for the American people help this country.

Obama and Hillary are identical on every issue, so why would a few rotten apples spoil it for the rest of the bunch?

What is the anger really about? is about race or Hillary?

I knew it! Here we go with the race thing again.
If you can't win on the merits just call people racists.

How's that strategy been working for ya? You know, looking at the polls and all?

Laio and lorin,

We will see who's laughing when ur picking up soda cans in streets if John McClinton is president.

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If Johnny War is elected, alot of will be picking up cans in the street.

alot of "us"....

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My husband and I are small business owners. We don't want to be picking up cans in the street as Obama impliments his high tax policies and we lose our business which is one of the MANY reasons we would never vote for him. We provide jobs to 20 people right now.

Your argument is incoherent. Hillary and Barack share the same plans on the economy. Your business would be in the same shape under Hillary as Barack.

If you ever supported Hillary, you weren't doing your homework, or it was for some idiot reason like the fact that she was a woman, because otherwise you're makin' no sense.

You Hillary weirdos are so irresponsible and infantile. Here we have eight years of the worst president anybody can remember, an extremely right wing Supreme Court, and you want more of the same rather than letting the guy who won the nomination get formally nominated then elected. And as spite, so as to somehow vindicate the woman who lost the nomination through her manifest incompetence. And a bunch of you want to call yourselves Democrats, too. I can't believe you still come on here with this; what an embarassment you are.

It seems I will need to get out the baseball bat.

I think any voter who sees Obama and hears what he has to say on an issue will have a better than even chance of coming to believe he is prepared for the job. This is a perception problem, nothing more, and one good way to deal with perceptions problems is not to give in to the perceptions at their core.

If somebody beats up George Soros, you tell them Soros worked tirelessly for openness and accountability in government, and to expand Democracy around the world, that he decided to go after the GOP based on those principles, which the GOP has violated.

If somebody beaats up on MoveOn.org, you tell them MoveOn was founded to get the Republican Congress to lay off the distractions of Monica-Gate, and get back to the business of upholding their constitutional responsiblity to the American people.

Stop worrying about what people think, and start doing your best to shape what they think, with logic, with good, well-reasoned rhetoric, with the facts. Don't be afraid to confront the liars, and don't yield the American people to these partisan hacks.

You seem reasonable, what the heck are you doing here?

Saturday Night Live said it best, Hillary's supporters are racist---period.

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Hillary and Bill poisoned the well. McCain is just borrowing the potion they used to do it, concentrating the mixture but using their same stinking brew of distortions and fear-mongering.

And having a country filled with overt and covert racists isn't helping any either.

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Hillary and Bill poisoned the well. McCain is just borrowing the potion they used to do it, concentrating the mixture but using their same stinking brew of distortions and fear-mongering.

And having a country filled with overt and covert racists isn't helping any either.

Wrong, Lalo. It has to do with a 'Hillary-as-Queen" mentality. You all define the word sycophant.

Every time I read a comment by one of you that seems like maybe, you're biting down and supporting the party's nominee, I subsequently read a comment attacking him.

Any Democrat who would just as soon see McCain win if it can't be Clinton is no better than Joe Lieberman. Clinton supporters who are STILL working against Barack are exclusively that, Clinton supporters - you are not Democrats.

Country before party. Alaways! Simple as that.

You mean to say, Clinton, before country or party, don't you?

Country before party? Bull hockey.

We're in a war that we lost, for the most part, because somebody was more interested in protecting his political hindquarters, than making the policy changes necessary to win, or at least leave it a draw.

McCain wanted in that war. and he wants us to stay in that war. And then get in yet another. But to do that, he'll stretch our armed forces so thin they can't protect our country, much less fight our enemies effectively. You can throw that God-forsaken rhetoric at us about how we put our party before our country, but these people started and lost a war trying to make themselves look good politically!

80 percent of this country thinks these jerks are on the wrong path, Yet they put their agenda first. That is not putting country before party. It's empty rhetoric, no matter how sincere it sounds, because they have not, with their actions, proved themselves so self-sacrificing.

Yes, and I everytime I read a comment from the Obama trolls, once again blaming Hillary for Obama problems, I start having doubts again about him.

Does this help clarify something in your faithful narrow mind?

That's it, Lalo, keep right on proving my point. Just makes my task easier.

Wow, you REALLY don't get it, do you?

I should have known by now, but everytime it's always the same:

Obama is not responsible for his problems. There is always SOMEONE ELSE who's responsible for his problems. Especially Hillary, so let's go SHIT on her and demand she makes Obama wins.

Why would I ever want to helps losers like this?????

Wow, Lalo, Two in a row! You're on a roll proving my point. Hot damn.

The argument that you all make that Hillary and Obama are 99% the same on the issues is not the truth to HRC supporters, including me.

Both ran left during the primaries. HRC is truly a more centerist Democrat and Obama is a FAR left liberal. I am a moderate Democrat.

After the primaries, Obama tried to swiftly run to the center but we are not fools. We know where he really stands.

McCain is a moderate Republican, as evidenced by his long record.

Thus, HRC and McCain are closer in their TRUE views than Hillary and Obama by a long way.

Also, I'm as equally interested in character as I am issues in electing the POTUS and McCain wins that test hands down over Obama.

You do realize that you damn Clinton, by such comparison?

Absolutely not!

What you obviously don't understand is that the reason Bill Clinton was the only 2 term Democrat elected in decades is that he was NOT a far left liberal but a centerist, like Hillary.

The majority of Americans DO NOT want someone elected as POTUS that is either far left or far right. It's the 80% closer to the middle that choose the president.

This is why we were and remain 100% convinced that HRC was and is the only possibility between the 2 able to actually win this year.

We tried to tell ya but you wouldn't listen!

And what you obviously don't understand is that Bill's presidency resulted in:

1)The loss of Congress
2)The loss of 7 governerships, if I recall
3)The loss of the next election to Bush


Two term president or not, Clinton had short coat tales. We could build the party around him or his wife again, but that will never work, because essentially, these people are too uneasy about being unapologetic Democrats to lead the emerging party that's rising out of this party's former ashes.

Obama's not perfect, but he's got a better ground game going, putting Democratic Party infrastructure where it hasn't been for years. He's organizing this party's comeback while he's orchestrating his own rise. He's not throwing us under the bus to win. He's giving us the chance to be the majority party for a generation or more.

McCain's trying to define things early, and he may succeed, but only if we sit passively by and let these things happen. I have no plans myself to be so passive. We need to get tough, and stop getting anxious about polls three months short of the election. The Republicans will always win if we live in perpetual fear of being seen as "far left" for believing what we really believe.

Also, I don'y buy this; we won't support Obama becaus he's not centrist enough. Have you even been listening to McCain this election? You actually believe he is a moderate?

I'm sorry, but your argument is total b.s. You don't support McCain because he's moderate, you support McCain because you need Obama to lose so that Clinton to run in 2012. That's your prerogative, but don't pretend that your desire to see Obama lose has anything to do with him being far-left and McCain being a moderate.

Yes, We know exactly where McCain stands.

If McCain is a Moderate Republican then the Bush Adminstration is moderate. And it ain't.

It's been one of the most radical, fringe-political administrations in the last half century, and as the 2008 elections have approached, McCain has agreed with it more and more, until the daylight between Bush and McCain has all but disappeared.

Anybody who thinks Obama is far left has no experience with the far left. He's a centrist. But let's look at this smear and acknowledge it for what it is: the boilerplate insult that Republicans use to distract people from their own extremism.

Generally, the far left seems to include more than half the country, if you go by how the GOP defines it. Anybody that wants this stupid war over, who doesn't think a tax cut a day keeps the economic doldrums away, who advocates the Government doing a better job of regulating industry, regulating banks and brokers, and protecting Americ from bad drugs and contaminated food, gets labelled as far left.

The Republicans make these charges so they can cover for their own radical agenda. If you want to continue on this path of immoderacy, go ahead, your funeral. Obama represents the return of common sense to politics. That probably has people like you scared, because nothing of what you folks advocate makes real sense any longer.

I think people, including Greg and Eric, should actually read the poll. A plurality of respondents did NOT say that Obama is unprepared to be president. The question asked whether they thought Obama has "prepared himself enough" to be president. It's a very odd construction, but it is different than "is he prepared."

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Well, actually no one is prepared for the presidency. I bet most ex-presidents would privately acknowledge that, if they haven't also done so publicly in memoirs and such.

I find it shocking that by 68-25 respondents say they think McCain is prepared for the job.

I also find it shocking that a full 80% believe McCain would be a very or somewhat effective CIC and that 66% are very or somewhat confident he would make the right decisions on foreign policy.

Boy, have we got a lot of work to do before November to cut into those advantages.

'The question asked whether they thought Obama has "prepared himself enough" to be president. It's a very odd construction, but it is different than "is he prepared."'

God that was a weird post! Seems like this rbowser is basing this, like, on the facts or something...bizarre...

STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT

Obama is NOW and has been responsible for making his own case. BLAMING HILLARY has the unintended consequence of making Obama seem unprepared.

Seriously, and with all due respect, WTF are you talking about.

I find the following in this thread:

1) Bashing of Obama by Clinton dead-enders.
2) Bashing of Clinton dead-enders by Obama supporters.

What I don't find is blaming of Clinton for Obama's poll numbers.

Now I'm really curious who the hell they're polling.

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