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Poll: National Race A Dead Heat; McCain's Attacks Working

The new Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll is out, and it finds that McCain's barrage of "celeb" ads and smears on Obama's alleged lack of patriotism has worked to produce a dead-heat:

Barack Obama's public image has eroded this summer amid a daily onslaught of attacks from Republican rival John McCain, leaving the race for the White House statistically tied, according to a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll released today.

Far more voters say McCain has the right experience to be president, the poll found. More than a third have questions about Obama's patriotism.

Obama is leading McCain 45%-43%, within the poll's margin of error. In June, an LA Times poll found Obama up by 12, though other polls found a tighter race.

The poll also finds a noticeable erosion in Obama's favorability ratings:

Obama's favorable rating has sunk to 48% from 59% since the last Times/Bloomberg poll in June. At the same time, his negative rating has risen to 35% from 27%.

Meanwhile, the results are a bit mixed on whether McCain's attacks on Obama's commander in chief readiness have worked. On the one hand, the poll found that 63% of voters have confidence in Obama's ability to deal wisely with an international crisis, which is certainly solid and not far behind the 77% who feel that way about McCain.

On the other hand...

Nearly half of voters say Obama lacks the right experience to be president, while 14% feel that way about McCain.

There is some good news in the poll for Obama. McCain faces some serious problems: Obama's leading on the economy, which is the most important issue to voters; McCain's supporters are less enthusiastic than Obama's; and independents are leaning towards Obama.


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THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR MCCAIN!!!

WELCOME BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Idioticmentum!!

Here come the concern trolls.....

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Pointing out the flaccid tenor of Obama's campaigning to date isn't trolling but constructive criticism.

Why does Obama continue to insist that McCain wants the best for the US in response to the unceasing, scurrilous attacks on his patriotism? He needs to argue forcefully that the same people responsible for the catastrophic failures of the Bush administration are creating McCain's agenda, and that any idiot can see that these are bad ideas for America going forward.

Fair points.

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Thank you.

I didn't believe the LA Times when he was ahead by 12 and I don't believe them now.

I think the Q-poll from this morning is more in line.

Also, they conducted this poll entirely over the weekend? WTF?

Good catch. What were they thinking in conducting a poll Friday through Monday? Obama has typically polled worse on the weekends, since the core Obama groups tend to be younger, more mobile people who aren't sitting by the phone, waiting for a pollster to call them and spice up their weekends.

I wish we could make excuses and write it off but I fear the ads are working. My father is a doctor and my mom and PhD. Both live in Texas. Both believe Obama is a secret Muslim and McCain is a "real American." The ads work on the elderly and the weak ... a large portion of America.

Your folks too, what the hell is wrong with this older generation? I guess they all watch Fox or something. My mom is McCain all the way, my sister says McCain because Obama kills innocent babies. First, what baby isn't innocent (stupid) and when I asked her about all the 'innocent' babies killed in Iraq, wow, she didn't want to discuss it anymore. What hypocrisy.

Amelie,
It's crushingly sad. My mom called to say "Thank God for the Patriot Act!" after the British stopped a weak attack on one of their airports. When I told her the U.S. had nothing to do with this, the line went dead.

Both of my parents are long gone, but I know they would be supporting Obama today, the good Democrats that they were.

Lucky you. I wish they were here.

Nope.

Obama has not been forthcoming about his past. He consistently dodges the questions about his youth in Indonesia, registered at school as a muslim, with a different name, where they studied the Koran and Arabic. That is what is done in Indonesia. It is a muslim country. His parents had muslim backgrounds. Obama has not forthrightly stated all this or given proof that it is false. Yet he goes in front of an audience this last weekend and says he is a South Asian Immigrant. There are many people who believe if you are born a Jew you're always a Jew. Same goes with Islam. He was raised in that culture in Indonesia in the most formative years. That he has not plainly admitted all this does to many people make him a secret muslim. And why should he be ashamed of that? But apparently he is.

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What are you talking about?! Are you saying he's a Muslim? You imply that his mom was a Muslim. Was she? It's a yes or no answer.

Answer now. I've seen you in these threads for too long. Answer truthfully and with some backup that isn't from an email from your racist aunt.

His birth dad was a muslim.
His adoptive dad was a muslim.
He was registered in school as a muslim.
He was a resident of one of the largest muslim countries.

You tell me what that sounds like.

"You tell me what that sounds like."

..it sounds like a Hillary dead-ender not having a coherent argument.

He was born to parents who did not practice any religion. One of those parents was born a Muslim, the other a Christian. At a very young age, he attended a Muslim school in a predominantly Muslim country. He had very little contact with the Muslim parts of his family and the great majority of his upbringing was by persons who were not even nominally Muslim

Well at least you're one of the few here willing to honestly state some of his background unlike the holocaust deniers that mostly inhabit this site.

I was born to mostly unobservant Jewish parents. I have never practiced the religion and really know very little about it. I've have very little contact with my Jewish relatives. My wife is an observant Roman Catholic. I have literally spent more time in Catholic church than in temple.

Everyone I know considers me Jewish. And I cannot and do not deny it. That is the way it is.

Are we talking about who Obama is or who some segment of people might think he is? Given the background that you describe, what is the real significance of the fact that other people "consider you to be Jewish?"

People rightly consider Obama muslim. That is the significance.

I didn't know that Hussein is a name normally associated with christianity? Add that to the correct reasoning of people who believe he should identify himself as muslim.

The reason this is reasonably important to people is that everyone knows for themselves that the culture and religion they were raised in has profound affect on how you see the world for your entire life. People are reasonably skeptical about having and islamic sympathizer as president.

I sympathize with and support Jewish causes.

I expect Obama would support Islamic causes.

Do you have any evidence that he has in fact done so? Why wouldn't he had taken up Islam as a somewhat alienated young man if he had sympathies in that direction engrained in him? When you say you have a sympathy for "Jewish causes" do you think that is because of your early upbringing or because of the universal appeal of those causes?

It would be a natural part of the human condition.

Your parents just need a heaping dose of truth... or something. My grandmother used to think the same way and was forwarding paranoid and hysterical e-mails to my dad. Finally (It took a while. Maybe she thought she'd get me angry), I convinced her to forward them to me as well, and then, throughout the summer, whenever I got one from her, I'd reply to it with links and everything debunking it (Although avoiding video because her computer can't play it). Now, she forwards all of my replies to her friends as well, and seems more and more like she's going to vote for him.

I tried that with my sister and she is not talking to me now.

O_O Oh.

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...and hungover...

Not too late for Hillary.

Obama's lead is gone when you include Nader and Barr.

Screw Hillary.
The more trolls like you mention her, the more likely she and Bill will be blamed if Obama loses.
So get over it, she will NEVER be President, NEVER.

If McCain was in the lead by two, the headline would read:

McCain Surges Ahead of Obama!

Instead, when Obama's ahead by 2 it's a "dead heat."

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It's not too late to pick Hillary as VP. Do you want to win this thing or not? Kaine is a loser and what Biden bring that Hillary doesn't? Hillary is the ultimate attack dog, and while I despise the DNC and voted for Obama in the primary, she'd ensure Obama maximum media coverage coupled with an aggressive, explicit anti-McCain message that will win in November.

Unlike the radical right, I don't think the defeat of our party's candidate as a long term gain.

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I should have said "DLC" instead of "DNC" above.

Hillary attacked Obama because she had no other path to win it.
It was effective from the corporate media standpoint because Obama did not respond in kind.
If Hillary is picked, ALL the Clinton baggage will be hashed and rehashed, a 3-headed presidency and all the other bullcrap.
Hillary's "tough campaigning" as VP would be lost in the defensive posture she'll be in when she usually then makes stupid gaffes.
Plus, while Hillary may bring back some PUMAs, she will alienate independents who've been gravitating to Obama.
On balance, she will hurt Obama more than help him.
JMHO.

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Fair enough, we'll just have to agree to disagree here.

I think your points about the "media narrative" are right on, but as the scare quotes indicate, "media narrative" is about as overblown as ideas get.

Hillary's campaigning in the last couple months of the primary proved effective because of her clear, concise, repetitive and easy to remember populist message. People need to hear about how a Democratic administration will represent a fundamental change from the failures of neoconservatism. Hillary can do that, and regardless of what the paparazzi - ahem, excuse me - MSM choose to prattle on about, a good, memorable message will cut through the BS and win back the White House.

If Hillary is "the ultimate attack dog", why hasn't she come out against McCain's disgusting tactics, specifically accusing Obama of treason?

The silence is deafening.

Hillary is an attack dog for Hillary, no one else.

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I don't deny she's out for herself, but if what we've seen from the Obama campaign is what we're gonna see going forward, we should gratify her selfishness with the VP slot, hold our collective noses, and win in November.

Well put!

It's not too late to pick Hillary as VP. Do you want to win this thing or not?

You don't get it. They always wanted to lose. Their point was always to prove that America is a racist country, so they can keep going around with their noses in the air, thinking that they're better than everyone else. That's the goal. So don't look for Obama's pick to add much to the ticket. And don't expect him to do anything that might bridge the gap with Clinton's supporters, since he's already proven they are racists too.

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My partner is not a racist but he supported Clinton and will be voting for Obama in November.

You're rhetoric makes me wonder exactly which faction is in need of "catharsis" here.

^^^^-Moron-troll-^^^^

directed at robotboy, not Ion

Wow. Um... hysteria, much?

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If Obama loses, Hillary Clinton, and all her supporters, are going to get a good sized portion of blame.

You'd think those prominent Clinton supporters (not bugmenot, obviously) would realize this before they talk to the press about the problems Obama is going to have.

Buckeye,
good call on the media spin but I live in LA. Very blue state. The ads are converting the same dummies who voted against their own interests in 2000 and 2004. Obama's got to fight back harder. No ... other ... solution.

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Seconded. Screw Hillary. She will never be president and I couldn't be happier about that.

TFI!! Troll fuckin idiot!

Wow, Skip. Way to contribute absolutely nothing. Nicely done.

Alright, that's it. I have now, officially snapped after reading one too many political fucking geniuses say this.

Yes, Hillary will steal the nomination out from under Obama and then, next day, she'll get a grand reception in that stadium full of people who grabbed tickets to see Obama. The coverage of that success will send her numbers soaring overnight. Then, the next day, she'll casually saunter into the DNC's campaign headquarters IN GODDAMN CHICAGO WHERE ITS BEEN THOROUGHLY MERGED WITH THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN, Mark Penn and Howard Wolfson at her back, Lanny Davis crawling before her, licking the path before her adored feet clean, and everyone there will just say, "oh, okay, you now. That's fine, no problem! And, oh boy! Look, she brought her crackerjack team of strategists with her. Sure hope you can Ickes and the rest of them here ASAP--we'll reserve a private conference room so you can begin tearing into each other and we'll have cell phone chargers handy so you can immediately resume leaking crap about each other to the press."

Indeed, after all the practice they've had these last several months, the reanimated corpse of her campaign will run even more like a well-oiled machine than it did before. And just think what an advantage she'll have with absolutely no polling, no focus grouping, no planning of any kind at all, having happened for the last three months. (Actually, the complete lack of a plan will be cozy and familiar to them, I'll give you that.)

All the advertising Obama's done since he won the nomination, all the position papers, all the campaigning will instantly redound to her benefit. The organization Obama's built on the ground in all the battle ground states will instantly switch allegience to her and continue working just as hard as ever, for free, for her as they did Obama. All those Obama stickers on cars, all the signs in yards, all the posters in the state and local HQ's that say "Obama" will work just as well for her. All the local politicians who've stuck their neck out for him and benefitted as a result will be especially thrilled.

And, oh yeah, she'll no doubt raise just as much money as Obama would have overnight. I know I'll willingly break my piggy bank for her because, after all, its for my own good. And, hey, if Obama's two million donors turn out not to be sufficiently enthusiastic for the new regime, she can always opt in to public financing and start this thing dead even in money with McCain and 286,000 miles behind even his lame-ass standard for organization and planning.

Yeah, sure, that would all work just smashingly, even assuming the Obama supporters willingly acquieced to such a coup rather than doing what people in other countries do when elections are stolen from the winner.

You may be too fucking stupid to grasp the ramifications of what would happen if your insane masterbatory fantasy came true, but I assure you the delegates, super and otherwise, are not, so cut it out, zip up and get out into the real goddamned world before the cops kick in the door to the stall and drag you off to booking, gonads in hand.

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Co-fucking-sign.

It's like a Neurotic Democrats meeting up in here today.

I'm glad you're still among the sane ones.

Co-fucking-sign to your co-fucking-sign!

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The poll of 1,375 adults, including 1,248 registered voters, was conducted by telephone from Friday through Monday.

Hmmmmm....So in the aftermath of a week with no Obama, and all John ("we are all Georgians") McCain, Obama takes a hit in the polls. Who could have guessed?

I'm as shocked as you are.

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Damned right!

Nearly half of voters say Obama lacks the right experience to be president...

Where the hell would they have gotten that idea?!

-- ARG

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Drats! That was supposed to be a reply to your "blame Hillary" comment above, CT Voter.

-- ARG

The obvious lesson we're once again learning is that Republicans don't give a crap about appearances or rules or docrum. And that works. For the last forty years, liberals have been wringing their hands and crying to the refs over the WWE-style tactics used by Republicans to fantastic effect during presidential campaigns. But here's the thing: Winning is the point, everything else be damned. And this election is playing out no different. Obama is rebutting McCain's challenges by taking swipes at his policies. McCain is shrugging that off and telling anyone who will listen that Obama is a bitch who doesn't love his country as much as he does half-priced arugala. It's time to get dirty and fight against a character attack in kind.

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Right on, Danny. Otherwise Obama can join the lecture circuit and speak in front of small crowds at the Akron Best Western with Mike Dukakis and John Kerry.

Rope-a-dope.

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Terminal brain damage.

Never overestimate the intelligence of the average voter. If/when McCain is elected because of Obama's "celebrity" and "lack of patriotism," we will have the government we truly fucking deserve.

Oops. Should be understimate. Or should it? Now I'm confused. I'm as dumb as the average voter I guess.

You had it right the first time, and you aren't dumb you have just spent too much time in space.

With McCain now ahead in FL, OH, VA, CO, NV. and MO and MN, IA and WI back in play, it is clear that the ObamaNation book and McCain's attack ads are taking a toll on Barack. Barack being caught in a lie on Saturday about his abortion voting record in IL isn't helping either.

It'll be interesting to see what kind of bounce Barack gets from his convention.

McCain was already ahead in FL, that hasn't changed. OH and VA were and remain dead heats. The most recent two results from OH have been an exact tie and Obama +2. The next two most recent were McCain +10 and Obama +8. Definition of deadlock in OH. VA is very similar: McCain +1, McCain +1, McCain + .5, Obama +2 in order from most to least recent. Very slightly McCain-favored, but essentially a tie.

Briefly: CO is now in play, getting towards tied. McCain has had a couple good recent results, but whether they held up through his "renegotiate-the-water-compact" gaffe is an open question. IA, NV, and MO aren't any more in play than they were before. WI and MN have tightened dramatically and frighteningly, it's true.

I don't disagree that Obama has been incredibly ineffective in responding to these attacks. He needs to use the convention to get his campaign back on track. But there's no point in overemphasizing the degree to which McCain has made up ground. He's doing better across the board, but that doesn't mean he is actually leading in all these battlegrounds, it means he has pulled even.

Upon what, pray tell, do you base your claim that McCain is ahead in all those states?

http://www.pollster.com/

I am really trying hard to avoid the conclusion that you're a Republican who only comes here to try to stir up the panicmongers and demoralize the other side with false statements and Lord Haw Haw propaganda, but, so far, I have yet to see a comment from you that doesn't square with that model.

Real Clear Politics, fivethirtyeight.com, and electoral-vote.com all have McCain ahead in OH, FL, NV, MO, CO, and VA, I think.

pollster.com has a very flawed methodology unlike any other site and was bad at predicting in 2004. Even pollster.com moved IN and NC into the McCain column today (from the tossup category).

Well, the McCain Campaign are not dummies. you know it had to be working or they wouldn't have kept going back to it.

True. True. I guess the question is will they keep that tactic going forward? I guess if it isn't costing them anything (as this poll suggests), then what's to lose.

It will be interesting to see if any other polls show this deterioration and how the Obama camp responds.

You are stupid. Your response is whether McCain will keep beating us to death. God, beg for mercy and maybe he will stop knifing our candidate. Talk about what the hell you can do. I suggest that we all call the Obama campaign and tell him that it is time for some serious tactical reconsideration.

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Cuz they ain't thought of that yet...Brilliant!!!

Greg Sargent wrote the headline 'DEAD HEAT.'

Obama's terrible performance at Saddleback on Saturday didn't help either.

Tell me Hillary troll, how was Obama's performance at Saddleback "terrible?"

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Um...er....uh...I...uh...well...we...uh....

The party of George W. Bush really isn't in a position to make fun of people's verbal tics.

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Come on now...y'all have been doing it for 8 years.

..lets just hope no one asks McCain about birth control again - the mother or pregnant pauses.

"the mother of all pregnant pauses."

Oh for pete's sake.
Is Obama's speech style anymore irritating than:
"my friends, ...my friends, ...my friends" after and preceding every sentence?

I swear, you wouldn't say a good thing about Obama even if Jesus Christ himself came down to earth and told you he was OK.

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Actually, if Jesus came down and told me Obama was ok, I'd ask if he meant ok to hang out with or ok to vote for...that's probably the only thing that could get me to vote for him.

I'm pretty sure Jesus thinks that Obama is OK.

I'm a bit weary of the Bloomberg/ LA TImes poll. But i will say this, voters deserve more wars, lower wages, higher gas prices, more foreclosures if they accept the kind of bullshit John McLiar is pedaling. You think voters would of learned from the mistakes of 2000 and 2004, but i guess i've given the voters more credit than they deserve.

But is the race being framed that way? I think that's the problem. It's not altogether clear what McCain is promising and he's doing all he can to define Obama. Something has to give....

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Do we deserve it? And to we deserve a candidate who refuses to make conspicuously partisan arguments as the nominee of one of the two major parties? How did I get duped into voting for this empty suit?

you are such idiot that's why!

Dumbfuckistan deserves all those things but not California, New York, Washington, Michigan and the real America.

This may very well be good news for Obama. McCain desperately needs to come up with new material with which to hit Obama. If not, I just don't see the American public putting up with this crap for long. They'll simply be bored to tears.

After Labor Day, McCain needs to start running on the issues. If not, he will suffer the same fate as the last candidate who believed they could take down Obama with personal attacks: Hillary Rodham Clinton.

UMM NO!! OBAMA WAS ON FREAKING VACATION WHEN THIS POLL WAS TAKEN

This kind of attack works unfortunately, because Americans are dumbshits who spend the least amount of time and energy possible thinking about politics. They don't want to think about it, because it's like boring and stuff. And like, they're like all the same and stuff, you know? Like, that's what they say, you know?

Maybe Obama will lose because the average voter is just that, average. They don't care about details and substance. Instead their ADD brains only can process 30 seconds worth of a TV commercial, and then their minds are made up.

Americans usually respond to do what the TV tells them without thinking too much about it. For 50 fucking years the TV tells our citizens how to behave, what to eat, how to dress, etc, and we just do it.

I guess Democrats must enjoy losing all the time, because they sit and whine at the side of the road that the other team isn't playing fair, while the other side is beating the shit out of them.

Fuck it, maybe America doesn't deserve Obama. We deserve McCain instead.

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We need to quit talking about how stupid the American people are to elect stupid people like Reagan, Bush, and, what is looking increasingly likely, McCain, and pressure the Democratic party into articulating distinct positions that it can hold up as something more than "Diet Republican."

If I had known that Obama genuinely believed the postpartisan tripe, I would have never supported him, as much as I do not like the Clintons or the DLC. Who knew that Obama was lying about his opposition to NAFTA and FISA but not the "new politics" that eshews conflict? Yecch.

troll fuckin idiot!

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How is what you say remotely helpful?

your name should be dick stab..you troll idiot!

Lighten up, man. I am no troll here, I support Obama all the way.

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Don't try to reason with this creep. If anyone voices any concerns about Obama's campaign, he calls them names and labels them a troll. It doesn't matter how long you've been here posting in support of Obama, the minute you criticize him in any way, you're a disgusting troll. He did the same thing to me.

I don't think he's old enough to vote because he hasn't even learned how to disagree without turning everybody into the enemy!

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Just him?

*sigh* Americans = Idiots

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Obama's campaign: DLC policies + aversion to politcal conflict = defeat in November.

Whose the real idiot here?

You are the idiot because you say you supported Obama and now because of this poll.. you have regrets...go vote for McFuddle and be done with it. I can't stand these so called Obama supporters who are ready to withdraw their support! see Ya Jack ass!

You are a concern troll.
Declaring a McSame victory in August, no less.
amazing.

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Where did I say that Obama couldn't change course.

Granted, it's getting late, and for the reasons I pointed out above and elsewhere, Obama's conciliatory strategy is failing. Moreover, it has allowed McCain to define the terrain upon which the contest has been waged. This is a losing strategy and must be changed.

And you're damn right I'm concerned, given what's at stake viz. the Supreme Court, NLRB, foreign policy, public welfare, etc. Dismissing people through name-calling is as intellectually bankrupt a response as I can think of - present facts and cases instead.

Maybe it's just today, but there's a remarkable simple-mindedness in the air around here: to offer a robust criticism of Obama's campaign is not to support McCain.

That "Obama1st" calls him/herself a radical and offers no more than

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Where did I say that Obama couldn't change course.

Granted, it's getting late, and for the reasons I pointed out above and elsewhere, Obama's conciliatory strategy is failing. Moreover, it has allowed McCain to define the terrain upon which the contest has been waged. This is a losing strategy and must be changed.

And you're damn right I'm concerned, given what's at stake viz. the Supreme Court, NLRB, foreign policy, public welfare, etc. Dismissing people through name-calling is as intellectually bankrupt a response as I can think of - present facts and cases instead.

Maybe it's just today, but there's a remarkable simple-mindedness in the air around here: to offer a robust criticism of Obama's campaign is not to support McCain.

That "Obama1st" calls him/herself a radical and offers no more than petty snarking and a defense of Obama's strategy and policies at all cost in response to thoughtful, data-supported opinion is truly pathetic.

I guess it's the response-generalization I'm making based on the sum of all the posts under this topic, and maybe I was wrong to call you a concern troll.
But we have a big convention coming up, a Veep pick and all the glitz surrounding those events.
Any points McCain scored recently was by raising doubts about Obama. And whether we like it or not, it was going to take very little to raise doubts about the 1st serious black candidate for President, regardless of who it is.
I don't see the election slipping away, I see a campaign ready to strike while the iron is hot, not during the Olympics, but when the convention and fall campaign gets rolling.
Obama is well-positioned in this race to allay the doubts McSame is raising about him, but I want him to do it when the country is paying attention.
McCain has done a non-stop assault on Obama for the last several weeks, and still cannot take the lead.
That should be solace to the nervous nellies who are declaring Obama dead in the water now.

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I hope you're right. I'm gonna do all I can to get Obama elected, and if that includes questioning his strategy in the blogosphere (interesting that this word doesn't get the red underline to question it's correctness but Obama does), so be it.

I would suggest that questioning Obama's strategy endlessly will have zero, nada, zip to do with getting Obama elected. Silly claim that does zero, nada, zip to support your contention that you are an Obama supporter.

Conclusion? You are not an Obama supporter.

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Yawn.

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Sounds like it could make a GREAT albumn title!

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"*sigh* Americans = Idiots"
...and y'all seriously can't understand why you keep losing...Brilliant!!!

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What you say is sadly true.

If Obama is leading McCain with independents and they are tied in the polls, where is McCain drawing his strength? From Democrats? If so than it's more ominous than everyone thinks. Even Josh sounds desparate for Obama to wake up. Is it to late to teach him how to talk without a teleprompter?

The GOP base is coming back home.

But not without conditions. Just listen to Rush's response to the idea of a pro-choice VP for McCain.

The onus is on the candidate, yes. But what does a candidate do when 10-12% of his own party simply refuses to support him?

I think the people in the Democratic party who are working against Obama keep getting overlooked. You have prominent Clinton donors and previous supporters out there pushing, in the press, how "unprepared" Obama is. There are the PUMA folks getting much more than their 15 min in the spotlight because of their opposition to Obama. There are the Clintons themselves kinda sending mixed messages about Obama.

So, how, exactly, does a candidate win when he's being attacked on the right AND the left with the SAME message? I think Democrats should start calling out their own, and pressuring the Clintons to press their people to get onboard, or shut up.

John McCain's party has lined up behind him, and that's where a lot of his support is coming from lately. Obama can't say the same thing. Democrats are still bickering about whether or not he's gonna be the nominee!

When does this stop becoming a purely Obama issue and people start calling out the high-profile people who are working, deliberately or inadvertently, to undermine the Democrat voters chose to lead the party.

You're not just whistlin' "Dixie" when you say what you say about some prominent Democrats"

"Obviously, I favor Senator Obama's energy positions, and Democrats have been by and large the more forward-leaning actors. But John McCain has the best record of any Republican running for president on the energy issue and on climate change."


- Bill Clinton

This poll was taken from August 15-18 - Obama was back from his $100,000 vacation in Hawaii.

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Gee, to think he coulda bought 200 pairs of Ferragamo loafers with that coin!

It’s Groundhog Day every 4 years with the Dems. They are always shocked when the Repub’s play their dumpster diving brand of politics and even more shocked when it works. It’s the same shit every four years. Obama refuses to take notice of this. HELLO it’s what the repubs do best.

Obama must slice McCain apart NOW. Have you seen or heard any attacks on the fact that McCain said he knows about the economy, does not care when the troops come home, voted against the GI and on and on and on. NOT ME

Obama lets McCain set his own narrative as well as Obama's. A recipe for disaster

It’s the same shit every four years. Obama refuses to take notice of this.

Don't blame Obama, seeing his grandmother was more important that winning some stale election. And so what if McCain is outspending him in the crucial battleground states? Obama is still raising more money, and that's all that matters. Get with the program.

Memo to Obama: Attack!

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This is what I figured they'd been planning.

Barack Obama’s campaign plans to use the four-day Democratic National Convention next week to relentlessly portray John McCain as a carbon copy of President Bush, in a strategic shift foreshadowed by two days of tougher attacks on his GOP rival.

The criticism itself, which will focus on the Arizona senator’s economic policies, ties to lobbyists and decades-long tenure in Washington, is not new. But the intensity of the attacks is — and it is meant to minimize the heavy emphasis on Obama’s charisma-driven campaign.

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“The convention will offer a series of contrasts and comparisions of the McCain record so voters can see how clearly the choice will be in November,” Obama spokesman Bill Burton told FOX News. “The convention will also introduce Senator Obama to the country, but it will make sure to convey strongly the differences and choices Obama’s campaign presents over McCain’s.”

The move is a rejection of John Kerry’s decree in 2004 that his convention would project a positive message about Kerry and the Democratic Party while minimizing attacks on President Bush and the GOP.

Obama strategists believe Kerry’s convention was too passive and gave Bush and the Republicans space to create their own message without having to respond to Democratic criticisms. Advisers say the convention contrasts will not be personal, but will cast a harsh light on McCain’s record, lobbyist relationships and similarities with Bush. Aides say the campaign is setting out to offer a stark contrast between McCain and Obama.

The convention will naturally highlight Obama’s biography and serve as the broadest platform to date to introduce Obama to the country. But far more memorable may be the speeches that attack McCain on the economy and portray, for example, his newfound commitment to offshore oil drilling as an industry-driven flip-flop rather than a shift driven by new facts and circumstances — as McCain characterizes it.

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Countdown to the obligatory 'too little, too late' statement...3...2...1...

Don't like the part about "It won't be personal," but if they are actually tough, and actually spend most of the time focusing on McCain and his unpopular policy proposals, I'll be satisfied.

Yeah, they're going to be tough, yet they left Clark off the speaker list.

I think this is a headfake.

Hey Jonze, you think there is a chance that Clark is the VP?

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I pray you're right.

Look at the difference in the respective campaigns' responses to Clark's statements about McCain's qualifications and McCain accusing Obama of treason. That the former involved a surrogate and the latter the candidate himself makes it all the more unacceptable.

Why tell anybody, let alone Faux News, your strategy?

"The convention will also introduce Senator Obama to the country"

LOL, roughly two months from the election and they're still talking about introducing Obama to the country?

GTFOH. He's already been introduced as John McCain's bitch. Sitting up there talking about his great Vietnam service in every stump speech. Obama sounds like an abused housewife.

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Yaeh, and Clinton as the nominee would have been so much different...

"The move is a rejection of John Kerry’s decree in 2004 that his convention would project a positive message about Kerry and the Democratic Party while minimizing attacks on President Bush and the GOP."

We no longer have two members of Skull and Bones running against each other. It was never widely understood how crucial this was to that whole campaign.

I think it was pretty widely understood that it didn't matter. Because it didn't.

Agree. Way too late. He's given away the lead and now wants a dramatic comeback. Some strategy.

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Thanks. I was waiting for someone to do that.

you guys never, ever disappoint.

I wouldn't leap to panic over the "right experience" numbers. That half of people think Obama doesn't have the right experience reflects that the Republican message has been "Obama is inexperienced" and thus partisans are rallying around it. Few Democratic partisans, least of all Obama, have argued that McCain is inexperienced. The partisan lines of attack are much more about his policies, judgment, and his vicious campaign rather than his resume. As a a result not many Obama supporters are going to rally around the idea that McCain lacks the right experience. I'm an Obama supporter but I sure wouldn't say McCain lacks the necessary experience for the job, for example, just that his long history of service doesn't cover up his incredibly glaring flaws nor does it negate Obama's appeal.

At this point in the race, the national polls don't mean anything. If John McJobKiller is 5 pts ahead of Obama after the first presidential debate then i'll start to worry. Otherwise, right now, i'm cool.


ALERT: Poll Trolls on the prowl.

"At this point in the race, the national polls don't mean anything."

Then what about his state polling which is also collapsing? Have you seen the latest electoral numbers and the huge shift toward McCain in a matter of WEEKS?

Please pull your head out of the sand. That cockamamie "but national polls don't matter" crap won't cut it anymore. It's trickled down to state polling just as people like me have predicted would happen.

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Not a surprise. 1+1 still=2

I just decided not to pay attention to this election. I'm getting a pain my chest. I can't do 2004 again.

Not to get hysterical about a single poll (at this point, they're pretty meaningless) but I do hope this is a wake up call for the Obama camp.

We need more hustle, sharper attacks, stronger defenses, and more surrogates.

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The thing is, McCain's attacks are fundamentally fluff, and easy to counter, once Obama decides to get busy and do so. McCain's presenting an image of Obama that is fundamentally at odds with what you see when you listen to him speak, and fundamentally at odds with his basic biographical information.

So panicking, I'm not. But I'd certainly prefer that Obama not wait much longer to refute this stuff.

McSwine said that he was amazed that the race was so close because Obama was running such a great campaign.

He forgot to mention that he doesn't have any real issues to run on either.

So what does he have?

- Experience. Yes, but look where it's gotten us.
- Evangelicals - Yes, but who really cares? Obama has made more inroads than any other candidate thus far.
- Energy plan - only according to Bill Clinton
- The Iraq War - only if you think we should be there for the next 100 years.

And these are the good points.

Am I missing something? Who isn't amazed that it is so close?

McBorg is making a case where none exists. And its resiliency is due to the fact that it is a fabrication that cannot be un-proven -

How do you prove that you are not unpatriotic?
How do you prove that you are not a Muslim?
How do you prove that you are not motivated by ambition?

By the time you have unleashed your "rapid responded team" he's already moved on to the next salvo of decoys, dummy bombs and irresistible distractions.

But it's just nerves right? I mean, just because Bush won twice against what we thought were pretty damn good odds in our favor, doesn't mean that Obama will suffer the same fate, right?

The high road is the right road because WE AMERICANS, all of us, are better than THEY give us credit for.

Aren't we?

I don't know about you, but i suddenly feel like getting very very drunk.

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When are Democrats ever going to figure out that the have to STAND FOR SOMETHING. They have to have a brand of their own. As long as Democrats remain a vacuum, the Republicans will fill that vacuum with whatever lies focus group best this time around.

You can't just be against. You can't just be for change. You have to be FOR SOMETHING. That requires you to have the guts to take the risk to stick out your neck far enough to sell what that something is.

What do Democrats stand for in 2008? I couldn't tell you.

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I'm afraid it's worse than Dems creating a vacuum that the Republicans then fill with bs.

Since 1972, the Dems have run away from strong central state welfare liberalism, portraying themselves instead as a more sensible version of small state, "good government" conservatism.

Adolph Reed speaks eloquently here and elsewhere about Democrats as Republicanism lite.


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True enough. There are a lot more Liebermans in the party than Lieberman and we might wind up with one of them on the ticket.

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Obama STILL has HIGHER favorable ratings than McCain.

But McCain's favorability ratings have either risen or are stable in every poll.

I thought negative attacks on your opponent meant that your own favorability ratings will plummet?

Seems McCain has defied conventional wisdom. He's been smacking Obama's skinny ass around like a bitch for weeks and the American people seem to like it.

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Nah, mcbush's news media cheerleaders are clearly working. I just got back from a meeting and turned on cnn for 5 minutes. They had tape from his speech on the drilling rig about drilling. Where was the reporting immediately after the tape that mcbush was lying and that drilling is a political stunt? Nope. Then there was several minutes of opinion by wolfie attacking obama's foreign policy experience and that he has an alleged unidentified problem, but "cnn is getting the facts."

Gee, the mcbush campaign is chugging along. Why does he buy advertising when he has cnn and the right-wing media outlets? He shouldn't bother.

There should be sometype of industry watchdog over the media. They should have something like a bar association or medical board. Then the cnn jerks could be sanctioned for false reporting and improper opinions reported as news.

Pathetic.

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"Where was the reporting immediately after the tape that mcbush was lying and that drilling is a political stunt? " No, cuz they've finally figured out the lie was the "No oil for 10 years" line...

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I keep giving you this and you keep ignoring it. It's them nasty facts sfc. From the Energy Information Administration:

The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017. Total domestic production of crude oil from 2012 through 2030 in the OCS access case is projected to be 1.6 percent higher than in the reference case, and 3 percent higher in 2030 alone, at 5.6 million barrels per day. For the lower 48 OCS, annual crude oil production in 2030 is projected to be 7 percent higher—2.4 million barrels per day in the OCS access case compared with 2.2 million barrels per day in the reference case (Figure 20). Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/otheranalysis/ongr.html

So I guess the king's energy information administration is lying as well. By the way, its been the same analysis for years. Because there isn't enough oil whether the price of gas is $2 a gallon or $4 a gallon, the drilling will have an insignificant impact on prices. Incidentally, this analysis assumes that florida and california will play ball, which they won't, so there is nothing there. It's all a huge lie be propogated on the american people, as always.

You have no unbiased factual basis to support your constant lies about off-shore drilling. It would be nice if the right-wing media reported this and pointed out mcbush's lies, but alas they won't. Stop propogating the lies. Thank you.

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After Obama picks his VP and has the Dem convention, I expect the poll numbers will go up.

The Republicans aren't about to let that happen. You guys counting on a post-convention poll bounce are fools. At most it will be a week long short bump like his overseas trip.

John McCain has his foot on Obama's neck and he won't let up. That's why he's going to announce his VP choice right after the convention ends. That's why they've been running these celebrity attack ads to pre-emptively portray his acceptance speech before that crowd of 75,000 as a negative.

There will be no more bounces for Obama.

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Jesus, Michael. just slit your wrists and be done with it, willya?

Or just tell him to STFU.
HILLARY WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT!
NEVER!
NEVER!
NEVER!

Hallelujah!

Or you could refute my statements, but your pea-brained intellectualism is no match for me.

Refute your statements my ass.
Your statements are nothing but turd-throwing horseshit based on nothing but your fervent hope that Obama fails.
You spew nothing but Hillary-PUMA nonsense.
One of the true dumbfucks of our time who really "thinks" Hillary will or should become the nominee.
You are fucking rooting for McCain.
You deserve no respect.
Now begone troll.

Would everyone please chill. It's only August and most Americans aren't paying attention yet. Yes, there's lots of work to be done and, yes, Obama must call out McCain for what's he saying and what he represents. Whoever gets the VP slot will become the primary attack dog for the Democrats.

Let's wait until after the VPs are selected and the conventions are behind us. Then, the polls will become somewhat meaningful. I predict that the American people will break for Obama once he shows in the debates that he knows his stuff and he can be trusted. Remember he's the new kid on the block. McCain is like the next door neighbor that you thought you knew but you really didn't.

They're clearly paying attention since polls have tightened in the past MONTH. Fucking dumbass.

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I hope Obama has something up his sleeve, because it's been an extremely disappointing performance the last month.

You people make me puke. "Let us not get hysterical, no reason to panic." "His attacks are only fluff and easily refuted"

You people are spineless, pansies and girlie men. The Democrats do not deserve to win. You think I want to entrust my country to little fools like you. Are you such idiots as to sit back while for the third time in a row, the Democratic candidate started out with a double digit lead only to fall to near parity in the polls? Do you little wussies understand the strategy and tactics of the Republican party that seem to work every time?

I am sorry, but should we lose this time, I will do every thing in my power to destroy the Democratic party. The party is just proving itself unfit for a role in our public life.

Go ahead now, lets hear you losers say how we will start pulling it out. You cannot even convince a majority of our own party that Obama has the experience necessary,

VOMIT, VOMIT, VOMIT

Wow, I really hope you are totally loaded, like the top 1% of the population style rich. Because if you aren't, you are backing the wrong party and horse. I don't necessarily think that the Dems are the party of the people anymore, I don't think we really have anyone that represents us, but the Republicans only have the very richest people of this country in mind when they make their decisions. They will raise taxes on the poor to pay the rich (trickle down theory, my a**). They would prefer to create a huge class of poor and uneducated people that will work for them and cater to them, and be easily brainwashed into thinking that they are actually the party of freedom. Not true. Come and see me when the banks have taken over the world and you have an RFID chip implanted in you, so they can keep track of your wholly owned a**.

Obama has Iowa in his pocket...latest poll: Obama 44% - Mcbushsame 38%

Nothing to worry, Obama knows what he is doing!!!

Like the ex-mayor Brown of San Francisco has been on top of his game. Yes he needs to be a bit crisper, sharper...And he will...He is just back from his vacation.

McBushSame will be on vacation next week...


So what, he can obviously afford to take a vacation while Obama goes out and praises his experience, patriotism and bravery. No, Obama does not know what he is doing just as Kerry did not know what he is doing and just as you are a fool. He needs to go after the jugular. The Republicans do not care about the issues, it is all character assassination. Their own spokespersons can not say what McCain has every done to distinguish himself. This poll shows exactly why. Obama is weak and inexperienced because he is a naive little fool and will not fight back.

Your cheerleading won't work. More and more Democrats are beginning to realize that the Obama presidential candidacy has collapsed.

You are so fucking over-the-top that there is NO WAY you are some PUMA Hillary troll.
You're a Grampy McSame troll who wants to win a contest prize, like peeking at Cindy's rack.
Go pound-off at some other site.
Your incessant troll jizz clutters TPM for those looking to discuss something pertinent.

If Obama loses, Hillary Clinton, and all her supporters, are going to get a good sized portion of blame.

What a LOON! We've been telling you for over a year now that Obama is the weaker candidate by far. And now that we've been proven correct, it's our fault because you never listened to us? It's just that kind of bullheaded insanity that keeps Democrats losing elections.

What I still don't understand is how Clinton lost to the weaker candidate.

One of the things to keep in mind is the enthusiasm gap. Field offices filled with local workers who register people and GOTV will give you percentage points over the polls.

It one of the reasons to explain why the polls showed Obama with roughly a 5% lead in Wisconsin and then ended winning by double digits, something like 17%.

If the McCain and Obama go in tied, chances are Obama will get his voters out more consistently than McCain.

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Clinton lost because she allowed the DLC warmongers to set her agenda. She would have won the primaries and she would have won the general election if she had campaigned on health care and that village full of children whose health, schools and environment have been mortgaged for war.

Obama should be relentlessly focused on the economy and instead he has allowed McCain to set the agenda and define it around foreign wars. So we'll get Bayh or Biden talking about war and nobody talking about problems at home.

I guess my point is that if Clinton lost because she allowed other to talk her into bad strategies, why should that convince me she was by far the stronger candidate. Why would she suddenly become a brillant campaigner in the general election?

It's just along those lines of saying she lost because Obama used Repub talking points against her, but when the Repubs would use them in the general election she would be immune to them.

What I still don't understand is how Clinton lost to the weaker candidate.

#1 Obama played the race card very effectively in the primary, in a way that hasn't worked with McCain, who was able to shut it down when he tried it a few weeks ago "I don't look like those other guys..."

#2 The Democratic Party bosses gave Obama hundreds of votes in Michigan and Florida that he never earned.

#3 He was able to raise a lot of money with guilt-ridden limousine librals which enabled him to outspend Hillary 3 - 1.

#4 He took full advantage of the cockeyed rules for apportioning delegates. If Democrats used the same rules as Republicans, especially in the bigger and more important swing states, Obama wouldn't have had a chance.

I could go on, but you get the idea.

Just say you're a PUMA and save yourself a lot of typing.

And the republicans would play the Bill Clinton card, and the woman in power card to the social conservatives, the McCain-RNC-wackos would be outspending Hillary, she knew about the caucus states as well, and I could go on.

I shouldn't be rehashing what has been rehashed a zillion times times infinity, but it is that whole you're a loon, by far Obama was the weaker candidate, because the evidence just doesn't support it.

And the republicans would play the Bill Clinton card, and the woman in power card to the social conservatives,

The Clintons have already proven they know how to beat the Republicans. You're the loon who wanted to take a chance on a egocentric black man with no experience, and so that's where we are today.

Yawn. And around and around we go. Obama-DNC play dirty and steal it, but when McCain-RNC play dirty she'll know just what to do. There is absolutely no logic in this argument.

Obama Still Ahead -- That's the headline I would have written. But TPM has to highlight the worst possible news for Dems. Come on, TPM, you know perception matters. Why do you constantly trumpet discouraging news?

I admit I'm perplexed.

What can be the reason for the evidently huge investment people like Greg have in pretending that the Presidency is decided by a nationwide popular vote?

It can't be sheer ignorance, since to pass a summary civics course or become a naturalized citizen, people have to have mastered at least the basics of the Electoral College process.

Such pretending -- or at least inattention -- led, among other things, to people thinking that the election between Bush and Kerry was close. It seems to have led the people in control of Hillary Clinton's campaign to ignore how the nomination is decided (notably in Texas, where she admitted, just before the vote, that her people were "at this minute" trying to figure out how the process worked, when the Obamans had not only studied it but been exploiting for a year).

And so now we're trying to do it again, and at the expense of Obama's superior campaign? To pretend that we know why he is doing what he is now doing, or what he is going to do next, is sheer nonsense, and to insist on the negative tidings like those above is ... well, something. I told you I was perplexed.


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"McCain's barrage of "celeb" ads and smears on Obama's alleged lack of patriotism has worked to produce a dead-heat..."
Or the people are starting to realize that the emperor has no clothes...

Do you have a job or is this it?

He's vying for a prize in Tucker Bounds "most posts by McCain trolls."

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If I didn't have a job I'd probably believe "Hope and Change" were sound policy positions...

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Nah, it's the non-reporting and cheerleading of the right-wing corporate media. They don't delve into the facts, they just repeat mcbush's lies and attack obama. Obama is fending off the right-wing media attacks, mcbush attacks and periodic attacks from the clintons. Since obama is not getting any reporting delving into mcbush's terrible record, he will have to run adds revealing the true facts. He better start soon. Bottom line, it's amazing he is polling where he is polling.

Since Edwards has abdicated his fight for the poor (and the shrinking middle class), Obama should pick up where he left off.

There is zeal to be had. It is well-defined and well suited to Obama's campaign.

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"Obama should pick up where he (Edwards) left off. "
Careful now...there's a "Hey Harold...cal ma" ad, already waiting for that...

Well since we're giving the polls a lot of weight here, why does Gallup and Rasmussen show McCain unable for months to get above 44%, he just bounces back and forth between 42 and 44? And gosh look where this latest poll puts McCain: 43%

Why can't McCain attract new voters? Is he fundamentally unable to inspire those who are naturally in the right wing camp?

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"Why can't McCain attract new voters?"
Cuz he sucks too...fotunately for us the 10% undecided will go for the safe choice at the last minute.

Yep. That's what the polls don't factor, the percentage of Americans who will get in that booth, look at the names and pick what's most comfortable and familiar to them at the last minute.

I'm afraid "Barack Obama" won't win very many of those voters.

That theory worked for Hillary so I'm sure it's just got to work again.

That was among Democrats, acamus. And it was the nomination. A general election which involves the full tent of the American electorate is a completely different ballgame.

Actually nearly half of the undecideds are choosing to say "neither" even though is not an option. I would be interested to know from someone who has some real expertise in polling whether these people tend to just not vote. I would guess a lot of them don't head to polling both on a November day. So we're really playing with just about 5%. Plus the registering/GOTV ground game and guess who wins that battle.

that "neither" group is coming from the Gallup poll.

I don't know that Republicans stand for anything either. They stand for America uber alles. I know that. They stand for God, but only when it gets them votes. They stand for guns (see: uber alles).
They stand for big money (see: uber alles.)

So - money, god and guns.

The Dems? How about Democracy. Opportunity for all. Justice. Respect.

The democrats are about people, the individual.

The republicans are about power, the state.

That's where we need to frame the debate.

What is your agenda, to bitch and moan about every poll or aid an Obama victory? It's hard to tell. Why don't you all take a break from your collective chicken little chorus and visit some conservative sites. Unlike here and other Liberal blogs, they don't piss on their candidate even when it appeared there was no hope for victory. By stark contrast, they focus on defeating Senator Obama.

It would be hard for any Obama supporter or Democrat to remain enthusiastic or optimistic after reading this blog and user comments.

He doesn't need this shit! He needs his base to remain enthusiastic or at least have the decency to feign it!

Hear, hear.

I'm liberal, but one thing I admire about conservatives is the relative lack of handwringing.

The pissing and moaning going on here just makes me want to, like Solon, lay my shield and spear outside my door, signaling my severance from politics. The Hillary trolls are particularly piquant, with their premature I-told-you-so's: of course, since Clinton was defeated by Obama, she'd most likely be behind in the polls to McCain, but such logic must be the nose protuding from the face -- not clearly visible.

Democrats lose because "Democratic" voters don't support their candidates. It's time to take a page out of Republican voters' playbooks. Support our candidate, or shut up.

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Holy fuck. It's like the invasion of the Pearl-Clutchers in here.

It's like you've never seen a goddamn poll fluctuate before.

Slap yourselves. All of you.

Fucking Democrats in Fucking August of a year divisable by 4. They do it every four years and never once consider that their own repeatedly demonstrated lack of balls is a reason independents and otherwise pursuadable Republicans view the party skeptically.

Not necessarily speaking about anyone here in this thread, but I think that there is a wee bit of swiftboat-paranoia on the Dem side.

Except for a few polls that had him at 51%, Bush hung in the 47% range when he was doing well in September and October.

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You can't get "Swift Boated" if you're not faking the funk in the first place...that's why they came along.

Not sure who you think doesn't have the funk. My guess is Kerry, Obama, and any candidate left of center. But what I'm driving at is that while McCain's attacks may take a point here and there in the polls, they do not inevitably lead to where Kerry landed in September and then couldn't catch up to Bush.

Looking at the Gallup, it's has been basically a deadheat except for a few times when Obama would surge up to 48 or 49, before coming back to 45, 46, 47. It's been like this for months. All of McCain's blustering hasn't really changed it much.

We tend to forget that Bush's largest lead in the polls in 2004 was 4-5 points. I will bet that after the convention BO's campaign will go into full attack mode.

McCain at his best is only within 2-5 points in the polls. With Biden on the ticket, let the attack begin, and watch his numbers go down.

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Sorry, drank the "Don't pay any attention to the polls showing a tightening of the race. This swiftboat stuff will blow over, and there's NO WAY America will elect Dubya for a second term" Kool Aid in August of 2004. I'm in no hurry to get a second helping.

I've given Obama my money, my time, my energy and my vote in the primary. I expected more out of him than what I've gotten the last month.

Barack Obama: Like the Jonas Brothers; only shallower.

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And the republicans would play the Bill Clinton card, and the woman in power card to the social conservatives, the McCain-RNC-wackos would be outspending Hillary, she knew about the caucus states as well, and I could go on.

I shouldn't be rehashing what has been rehashed a zillion times times infinity, but it is that whole you're a loon, by far Obama was the weaker candidate, because the evidence just doesn't support it.

Regarding Josh's interpretation of defining Obama, or not rather, there was a comment/blog by JT. This is EXACTLY right. Obama has not boxed in McCain, the flip-flop, gas guzzling, wife-cheating, 100 million dollar man. Every time Obama opens his mouth McCain shouts "POW, age discrimination!! And there is silence. Again, McCain is OLD. That is the first thing everyone says when asked about him. Define him, OLD, no new ideas, hit him hard on his gaffes, there are SO many. Obama is playing softball and McCain is playing offensive football. The man is out of it, show people the MAN, he has more flaws than I have room to write. Obama needs to not be so nice. Sad reality, but people hear and remember 20 seconds maybe. So get it done, OLD, pathetic man. I wrote this once before and a fellow blogger said not to pick on McCain because he is old. Yet I did a test on a 72 y.o. today, same age as McCain (soon) and afterward I asked her if she could run the country, she said "No way!"

Apt point.

Society makes decisions about age, whether about youth or, well, AGE. At 14, you're too young to drive. At 17, you're too young to vote, but at 18, you're apparently not to young to vote. At 19, you're too young to drink. (In most states, I think.) At

Past 65, it's extremely difficult to get life insurance. You have to go to the DMV more often to prove you can drive. Most work-places expect you to retire. It's not nice, but society seems to think that once you're in your 60s, you're on the "downward slope" of life.

We can debate the unfairness of these arbitrary age-markers. But if the Constitution has stated that 35 is the absolute minimum age to be President of the United States, maybe we should consider an absolute MAXIMUM age. I'm thinking no older than 65 on the day a person is sworn into office.

Before everyone calls me "ageist", how is a theoretical 65-years age limit more "ageist" than a 35-years age limit? The inexperience of youth is a compelling reason to not elect a 34-year-old as President. Isn't the (generally speaking) deterioration of a 72-year-old equally compelling? Conversely: if a 72-year-old can be "alert" and "vigorous", can't a 34-year-old be "wise"? Just askin'.

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Well we will know whether Obama plans to go on the OFFENSE and ATTACK by which VP he chooses.

If he chooses Kaine than it will be this kind of politics as usual.

If Obama chooses Biden than he will be going on the ATTACK.

We shall see.

Remember just a month ago it was McCain's campaign that ways bombing and now they have righted their ship. Let's see if the Obama's ship has been righted since Obama has come back from vacation.

The fact is that if Obama cared about winning more than he cares about his own ego, he would pick Hillary as VP. But since he doesn't, since he is a prima donna with a chip on his shoulder, he will probably do the same thing Bush did and pick someone who he knows could never outshine him. All of the most mentioned candidates seem to fit that bill to a T.

Wonderful news. Absolutely fucking wonderful news.

And now for a DNC featuring two days of slideshows about Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea, followed by a speech from Obama about why he really, really, really, really, really respects John McCain.

I can't take it anymore.

I swear, if the Dems blow it this time, if they pull another Kerry/Edwards, that's it... I'm joining the goddamned GOP.

Now, do you really really really think that Obama is going into that stadium in Denver and talk about how much he respects John McCain. I have to say I'm not thrilled with how the Clintons have slid into the convention, but there is a lot a lamenting going on here with Obama up by 2 (within the margin of error) in one poll, up by more in another.

If it was like the newsweek poll in 9/2-9/3 of 2004 showing Bush with a +11, or the CBS and CNN showing both +7 shortly thereafter, and bush getting 52%, 52%, and 49% respectively then maybe we might be concerned. Even still Kerry was able to get back to the margin of error towards the end.

Now, do you really really really think that Obama is going into that stadium in Denver and talk about how much he respects John McCain.

You know what's sad, acamus?

I can't positively answer "no."

I do see how one might come to have this fear. I just think he's going down the populist road, American worker this, American worker that, and some of the key messages are being kept back until then so the right-wing and their media cohorts don't slime over it in the days preceding the speech when the attention is going to be tenfold.

Yea, I love it how every time Obama mentions McCain's name, he has to go into what a wonderful war hero he is. Enough already! The guy dropped napalm on little children before being shot down three times, and afterwards he made propaganda videos for the Communists. It's why he's so screwed up today.

BTW, where the hell was/is Obama when McCain said life begins at conception?! Even if you are pro-life, that comment is beyond stupid. Hell, he is implying that most forms of birth control kill life. Obama should pound this point home to women.

I am getting worried about these guys in Chicago. What they heck are they doing out there? McCain has been slaughting them all summer long, yet, they refuse to respond in kind.

What is the matter with these people? Do they want to win these election or not? As far as i am concern, McCain no longer a war hero. He is a scumbag.

I agree. Also, the economy sucks. It is getting damn hard to live on a budget of any kind. McCain is SO weak on this, and Obama needs to get this done about the economy in short simple messages. Real wages have been going backwards.

I laugh in the face of polls. Ha-Ha-Ha.

Our internal polling indicates that Obama is leading 47 to 43 with people who laugh in the face of polls, although this might cause some concern since a month ago it was 49 to 42.

And with that, I think you've cemented yourself in my "favorite poster" rankings quite nicely - well played :)

Jeezus, everybody's cussin' and cryin' and carryin' on.

However, if you are a Democrat and are stressed by the polls, fed up or lukewarm with the Obama campaign, lost enthusiasm, think he's going to lose, can't give up Hillary, or any other reason to complain, stress out, or in general, drag the party don't with you-

I have a suggestion: tune out the national presidential race.

Yep, that's right. Instead, get involved with Democratic nominees in your area- state, local, whatever- whoever is running this fall. Knock on doors, talk to neighbors, do whatever you can.

If people will vote Democratic for a local or state level candidate- chances are good they will vote for a Democratic POTUS as well.

That's what I'm doing: Good bye stressing over Obama, hello getting active for Al Franken for Senate and Rep. Keith Ellison 2008.

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Al ought to take some advice from Keith E or Feingold or at least ask himself "what would Wellstone do". He just had another Texas Republican helmet ad on Keith O. and I'm wondering how many Texans he expects to vote for him and why he thinks Republicans are watching Keith O.

yeah, i've thought that myself. i suspect he is trying to solidify the base with those ads. given olbermann's primarily left of center viewing audience (dem voters).

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Our country is very sick. Some pundit just says that it's a "bonus" that Biden's son is being deployed to Iraq. Some bonus!

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I agree with that. Our media is totally screwed up. It's pathetic.

Beyond........

I'm beginning to wonder if Obama understands how history will regard him if he loses this election.

Yep your right Lamont. This is a historic opportunity for DEMS to win big and bring in a lasting majority...a governing majority.

I am very concerned by Obama's drift this last month or so. He has lost his lead in the national polls and increasingly in the battleground states polls. There is no message right now and there is no offense.

DEMS have every right to be concerned about whether he can pull this out.

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The sale of the LA Times killed it.

R.I.P.

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Just like the sale of virtually all the other media outlets for the past 20 years or so allowing the conglomeration of our press into 4 or 5 mega corporations, and we wonder why we don't get any news or information, only right-wing propoganda. Pathetic.

Thanks in no small part to Bill Clinton signing the Telecommunications Act in 1996. For me, that is what being a "centrist" brought us, and what I feared Hillary Clinton would bring back, in spite of her populist messaging.

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Mr. Bill was a republican in dem clothing, as is Clinton II. Look at voting records and what they "accomplished." It sure wasn't a dem agenda. The facts have never measured up to the bs with these two.

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Interesting read on mcbush's lies, including the off-shore drilling lie. As the news media isn't doing it's job, maybe obama should run an add summarizing this article and run it against the news media, not mcbush. Call them out to do their jobs and point out lies of mcbush. They are trashing obama already, so its a no lose situation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mitchell-bard/why-does-the-media-and-th_b_119899.html

And one of the reasons why it's working, that nobody seems to have caught, is that in comparing Obama to Paris and Britney, the Repubs have branded Obama as a FEMALE celeb.

Not George Clooney. Not Brad Pitt.

FEMALE.

Even sadder, Paris Hilton smacked McGoo down like a rented mule.

But Obama?

"I want to say that, uh, I really, uh, respect John McCain's service to our nation... but uh... uh... uh... this notion of his that I'm... uh... somehow, uh... lacking, uh... well... lacking balls. Well...... that's........ just..........not.........well..................... it's disrespectful."

The problem here is no one is reading anymore. It is all television. If you are getting your news from TV, you are screwed (up). Hence papers are dying and unless you are younger and on the net, forget it, you are just not informed, We're a stupid nation basically.

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Yep. Also, add in that the news media is profit driven as opposed to information driven. It really is pathetic. Where are all the reporters in iraq? We're in a war and cnn has ONE, cbs has ONE, nbc has ONE????? WTF?

I still don't understand how the bbc, a government run news organization, is more unbiased and provides better information than our corporate right-wing media. Isn't that kind of counter intuitive? You would think that the media would want to get the scoop by calling out the administration on their lies, and they don't. They just repeat them ad nauseum. Something is really, really wrong and needs to be remedied.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12646.html

Please let it happen. The greatest gift ever.

The ultimate flip flop: Dem VP 2000, Rep VP 2008. What does he believe in? Can he be trusted? Of course, he has shown a keen talent for whispering correct statements into a candidate's ear. He may be useful during the debates.

Now this is more like it.

Former Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack, on a conference call with reporters, leveled some of the hardest energy policy attacks to have emanated from the Obama team this campaign.

"[McCain] continues to reject bipartisan compromise because it would roll back massive tax breaks for the oil companies," he said. "That is not putting the country first, it is putting the interest of oil companies first."

I wasn't really worried last week because most of the major polls and a lot of the state polls were holding up well for Obama. But this and a couple of the new state polls have made me worry. I know they have a plan but I think it would help to know what the heck it was because it seems their media strategy and message just keeps drowned out by the barrage of insanity that is coming from the McCain campaign.

I read that Team Obama is planning some major attacks on McCain during the convention and I hope that is true. We need sustained and repeated attacks and we need to start dominating the message of the day again.

The Obama campaign has been disappointing since his return from Europe.

There has been ZERO effort to define McCain.

During Olympics coverage, I've seen at least 5 McCain ads for every Obama ad. McCain's message is clear. Obama's is watered down. Is this Kerry in 2004? I'm getting flashbacks.

How could they not recognize that McCain's "celeb" ad was effective? They should have launched have countered this immediately. He certainly has the money.

And then there is the safe, boring VP shortlist...

There has been ZERO effort to define McCain.

Simply not true. Obama has done an outstanding job of defining John McCain as:

a) A war hero who deserves our infinite, unquestioning respect.

b) The Alpha Male.

I just don't see the McCain scoring a huge success with his attack ads. Maybe he grabbed a few points with conservative who had been wavering, but he still has shown he can take the lead, stuck overall pretty much right where he was 2 months ago.

And now that the campaign season is going to heat back up, Obama and team have all that money they could have spent on ads during the Olympics when people could care less, and now have it not only for ads but the all important ground game, which is what brought Ohio to bush (cheating aside), because Kerry had brought the polls back to being INSIDE the margin of error by the time of the election rolled around.

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Pardon the long post but...

Folks, calm down. And I say that as a guy who, until very recently, lost his mind over every close poll result.

Our nominee was a nobody to almost all voters before Summer 2004 and was still a nobody to most voters before Fall/Winter of 2007. He's black. He's a first term senator. His name is Barack Hussein Obama. He has Muslim roots. 12% still think he's a Muslim. A third - per this poll - question his patriotism. His black, professional, wife actually holds opinions and is strong-willed, not a trophy wife/beer distributor heiress who stands by her husband's side and keeps her mouth shut (ie - a typical man's wet dream). He had a wacky preacher. He beat Hillary Clinton in the primaries, smashing the hopes and dreams of many a middle-aged white, Democratic, female voter. He was on vacation all of last week. He refuses to play the old game.

His opponent is a war hero, a man widely - and incorrectly - seen as a maverick and moderate. He's been on the national scene since 2000. He's a regular on every Sunday and late night show. The media loves him. He's white, he's a man, he's been in Congress for years. He's been running nasty attack ads for weeks. A foreign policy crisis with echoes of the Cold War - his only area of expertise (ie, the past) - occured while our guy was on vacation. Obama has held back on really attacking the guy, at least until now.

Yet despite all of this, our guy still leads in just about every national poll and continues to put several Bush 2000/2004 in serious play. Meanwhile, McCain can't seem to break the 45% mark in any of the national or most of the battleground state polls. And he really doesn't put any Kerry '04 states in play.

We didn't nominate the safe guy this year. (A strategy the proved ineffective in 2004 - another year where we thought, "we can't lose!"). We nominated the candidate we believed in most, the one who best captured our hopes and dreams. He was a definite risk, even in this Dem friendly year. That he continues to lead in just about every poll that matters should not be a reason for us to lose our collective mind. Have y'all seen any sign that the Obama camp is worried? I have not. And that's why I pretty much stopped worrying myself.

He will win. If we don't get lazy, if we don't get complacent, if we don't get too down on ourselves or our candidate, he will win. Count on it.

Bingo! Couldn't have said it better.

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McToast.

Great post!

And people go on and on about how