Obama Lets Bill Clinton Off The Hook
Bill Clinton took a bit of heat for supposedly refusing to say in an interview the other day that Obama was ready to be president...
The former president said he would not divulge his full thoughts on the campaign until after the election, and also stopped short of saying that Obama was currently ready to be president."You can argue that nobody is ready to be president. I certainly learned a lot about the job in the first year," Clinton said.
But today, speaking to reporters on his campaign plane, Obama himself appeared to let Bill slide...
Obama also spoke with President Clinton this week. "He was very supportive. I thought he showed extraordinary restraint in a fairly provocative interview while he was on his trip."
Honestly, I don't really get why Bill's comments were even remotely controversial. After all, Bill also said this in the interview:
"He clearly can inspire and motivate people and energize them which is a very important part of being president. And he's smart as a whip so there's nothing he can't learn."
"There's nothing he can't learn." Even putting that aside, Bill's framing was obviously pro-Obama, in the sense that he was discounting the argument that experience can really prepare you for the job. That's McCain's argument -- that the more experience you have, the better prepared you are to be president.
Separately, Obama also denied today there was any friction between the Obama and Hillary camps over her role at the convention, saying discussions were going "seamlessly."















Bill Clinton is 100% correct. Barry is not ready; not qualified. Barry Hussein is an empty suit.
McCain/Hillary 2008!
August 7, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well McCain isn't ready for anything other than a diaper change.
August 7, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Never argue with trolls. It's like mud wresting with a pig. You get dirty and the pig enjoys it.
August 7, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reading comprehension's not so good, is it?
By Bill's logic, no one is qualified. Not your wrinkly old white guy, and not HRC.
August 7, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Bill Clinton is 100% correct. Barry is not ready;"
Marginal Player, exhibiting his marginal reading comprehension skills again.
August 7, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marginal Player = marginal troll...
August 7, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see you are trying to earn your pay from McCains offer. How does it feel to live with that kind of hate everyday. Do you not get a headache or something.
August 7, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marginal Player:
Care to tell us what you want to convey with the hammer and sickle?
August 7, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Robbie Redford,
That picture is OLD, gotta add the thousands of wrinkles and bad hair coloring. Barry H Obama is a socialist/Marxist, i.e. take from people who work and make money, pay lots of taxes and give to the worthless trailer and urban trash and illegals. BHO wants to subsidize the losers who bought homes 50 miles from the office and their GMC SUVs. Too bad...losers, eat your losses. Barry and the Government must allow capitalism to run its course.
Thus Barry H Obama is a socialist/markist scumbag.
McCain/Hillary 2008!
August 7, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
How many points did you score for that post? Have you earned the autographed book yet?
August 7, 2008 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "stopped short of" B.S. was what started all of this. It's the reporter's wording that made this the issue that it has become.
It wasn't Bill Clinton.
The media takes every damn word and tries to turn it into a controversy.
And I wasn't ever a Clinton supporter, either.
August 7, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
agreed, the framing was a distortion, very clearly
August 7, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Watch the video. His tone was a bit odd.
Bill also said that there were things that he couldn't say until after the election, which was a weird thing to say.
August 7, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotta say Bill Clinton didn't do many favors on this one. When asked if Obama's qualified to be president, knowing how loaded that question is this year and knowing that's the heart of McCain's strategy, his immediate answer should have been "Yes."
Can't give him a pass on that one.
http://strategy08.wordpress.com
August 7, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly, Greg? Honestly? No, Bill could have said "Yes, absolutely." He's a very smart guy, quick on his feet. He knows how to choose his words. We've gone down that road before. He knew exactly what he was saying.
You also left out this slippery line:
It sounds more like a backhand than a lukewarm endorsement.
August 7, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. Which is why it's extremely important to have voices in the media that vigorously defend against these distortions. (Not just for the Clintons, but for Obama and other Dems as well.)
August 7, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
When asked if Hillary was ready and qualified to be president, Clinton said "YES". The fact that he couldn't bring himself to give an equivocal "yes" to Obama shows what a big sore loser he is. I wish the Clintons would do us all a favor and just get off the stage.
August 7, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah but its not so much waht Bill said as to how he said it. Whenever he talked about obama or the campaign, his tone and body language got really angry and defensive.
August 7, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain Is Corrupt.
From hisKeating Five days, to Hess Oil, McCain is still selling his influence.
Beware of the person who is always telling everyone how pure they are.
McCain is still a corrupt influence monger.
August 7, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Off topic: Excuse me while I whore myself out.
However, I think I've "solved" who Obama's VP choice will be (you probably won't be surprised).
The Scoop is Here:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/08/scooped-obamas-vp-choice-solve.php
I'd appreciate any and all feedback. Thanks!
August 7, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can only hope you're right. But I just don't think you are.
August 7, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please, please please! Pick Sebelius...
http://www.gilliusinc.com/dropsoap.html
August 7, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
All the hyper-parsing of Clinton's remarks reminds me of the old days when people would play Beatles songs backwards at the wrong speed trying to find secret hidden messages.
Said John: "It's a fookin' song."
August 7, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha! That's an excellent analogy....
August 7, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you watch the interview carefully, while Bill Clinton is speaking, he's blinking his eyelids in Morse code:
"Paul is dead."
August 7, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, c'mon now. When asked if Obama was qualified, the heart of the matter in this election, Bill's smart enough to answer with the word "Yes." He chose not to.
http://strategy08.wordpress.com
August 7, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely, I watched clips, he hates Obama...seriously. I think he and Hillary hope he loses.
August 7, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think HRC wants him to lose. Bill? To some extent, it does sound that way.
HRC strikes me as being a political realist who understands that if Obama loses, the Clintons will have some explaining to do. I don't think Bill understands that right now, he's not the top dog in the Democratic party. HRC does.
August 7, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you give Hillary too much credit...if Obama wins she's done for at least 8 years maybe 12 (which is the end of her Presidential aspirations). That's the political reality.
August 7, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. She's just a little more professional in her "support" for Obama. Bill's too emotional and can't fake it.
August 7, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
If he loses, the Clintons will be held accountable, so her political future is shaky either way.
Heckuva position to be in.
August 7, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
And who's to say who else will rise up in the party in those 8 years? Or even 4 years, for that matter.
August 7, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's obvious that the Clinton's and Obama don't like each other all that much. The Clinton's believe Obama cut in line and this was Hillary's time and something she has been working over a decade towards. Obama believes Hillary ran a scorched earth campaign with the sole target of hurting Obama's chances in the general election.
I don't know if Bill Clinton ever lost an election in his life, but he's still extremely bitter.
The one quote from the interview says it all when he alluded to the fact he'd have a lot more to say after the election. First of all if it was positive of Obama he'd say it. But even more telling is I don't think he'd slam the new President, meaning he still expects Obama to lose. Then it will be a former President smacking down a junior senator from Illinois. You can bet Clinton is diddling himself at that thought.
August 7, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do believe Bill Clinton lost exactly one election - back in Arkansas, to John Paul Hammerschmidt (big GOP name in those parts).
August 7, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a big Obama-Clinton supporter but this has all been very disturbing. It's also a big setback in terms of getting his wife on the ticket which she still has a chance at. He just keeps on screwing up.
Like others have said, it's not a matter of parsing words. He should've quickly shot out a resounding "Yes" and chose not to. The man's a season politician and one of the best thinkers and speakers on the planet so this was no mistake. He knew what he was doing.
My God, if Barry & Bill could just sit down for an evening I swear they'd squash it. But Bill might be expecting Obama to reach out to him first and that's not the way it works. He won, he's the big dog. It's up to Bill to reach out and say "Man let's meet up and have it out. Let's discuss this like men." When they're done, I swear they'll become great friends.
August 7, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Hillary as VP ship has sailed...and sunk.
August 7, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not a fan of Hillary (Iraq!!!) although with only one exception I thought her campaign was in bounds throughout. I would much prefer her as VP to Bayh who really grates my soul.
August 7, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope Bill stays in Africa doing his good deeds over there. We don't need him on the trail...besides he is holding out any true endorsement pending his presumed role for the convention. He and Hillary need to lick their wounds and stay off the campaign trail as I see trouble brewing for Obama in their willingness to support the nominee. I only hope we get thru the convention w/out some fucking blow-up or dust up from the Clintons. The Clintons will never accept Hillary's loss as their fault and their supporters will continue to feed them! To trust the Clintons is play w/ the devil....
August 7, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill Clinton is a self-serving ass. I'm glad to see his sham legacy as a "progressive" in smoking ruins.
August 7, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
To be fair, Clinton is a prototypical centrist. He doesn't have a "progressive" legacy to speak of.
August 7, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Bill Clinton is a self-serving ass." Again! We've been trying to tell y'all that for 16 years....now you realize...
August 7, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Except Bill Clinton knew how to be a leader and how to run the country for 8 years. Unlike anyone since. Peace, prosperity, world respect and a budget surplus...all completely destroyed by Republicans.
August 7, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Bill could somehow be disappeared I could accept Hillary as the running mate. But he's an insuperable problem. He'd be a walking political bomb during the Obama administration. (Actually I think his financial dealings would be a ticking time bomb even during the election season.)
August 7, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you're correct here. Unfortunately, Hillary doesn't get to where she is right now without him, so I see Bill as insuperable as well as inseparable.
August 7, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I completely agree. A big part of my reservations about HRC (aside from the war vote) was the impact of Bill. The media focus, and the Republicans focus would inevitably be "What's Bill going to be doing in the White House????!?@??#?" It would have made the current campaigns look substantive and profound by comparison.
August 7, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You can argue that nobody is ready to be
president".
So why was he arguing in NC that his wife would be ready on Day one?
August 7, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama says there's No Beef between them.
Clinton says there's No Beef between them.
If they're both saying there's No Beef why do folks insist on instigating/manufacturing a Beef between them.
August 7, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely right -- because politicians never lie or dissemble.
August 7, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
So which politician is lying or dissembling?
Wouldn't Obama be smart enough to know that the Clinton's are lying and dissembling? If so, then why does Obama have Hillary campaigning for him FL and NV? If he's willing to use their lying and dissembling to his advantage, doesn't that make him a liar and dissembler also?
August 7, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because not all folks are naive fools.
August 7, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
The idea that Obama can "let" Bill Clinton off the hook is laughable. Bill Clinton actually did something for the country and has a leg to stand on. This Freshman nothing hasn't done a damn thing and has no weight with which to "let" anyone off the hook, much less a former President.
August 7, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
He did something for the country alright. He allowed Al-Qaeda to plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks while he was busy getting head in the White House and playing defense against impeachment.
August 7, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
TARGET!!!...Cease Fire!!!
August 7, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is why the dittoheads are so crushed that Hillary didn't get the nomination. They wanted to continue their "Always Blame Clinton" rant through the election.
August 7, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know it feeds into your fever dreams that the evil Bill Clinton will lash out at Obama after the election, but if you read the interview, it's clear that he's pissed at people like Clyburn (with good reason.) The accomplishements of his administration were dismissed by Obama's surrogates, while he and his wife were painted as racists. Now he's supposed to just say "that's politics?"
And for all of you conspiracy theorists, it happens that Hillary is out campaigning for Obama earlier than any other runner-up. Obama ran a dirty campaign aginst her, but she's a loyal Dem and will work to get him elected. But to you folks, it's not legitimate unless she actually swoons over Obama like you do. Defeated candidates supprt the winner a lot of the time. Do you really think they're all gung ho about it?
If Hillary had won, would all of you Obama supporters be full of enthusiasm to support her? Would you just "get over it?" I doubt it.
August 7, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The accomplishements of his administration were dismissed by Obama's surrogates, while he and his wife were painted as racists. Now he's supposed to just say "that's politics?"
Yep.
Hillary Clinton was running on her husband's coattails, even though she didn't have jack shit to do with any policy of the Clinton years (except Hillarycare which of course failed and led to a decade of Republican rule in congress). Do you think the Obama campaign wasn't supposed to target her major strength? You expected he and his team to just lay down and let her skate to the nomination while praising those "wonderful" Clinton years?
It was a political campaign and anything goes, the same way Hillary wrote Obama's entire life and career off as an anti-war speech and nothing more. And if Obama lost the nom and still stumbled around months later with a pout on his face then I'd be just as disappointed in him as I am the Clintons.
August 7, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly, I don't really get why Bill's comments were even remotely controversial.
Really? Look, Bill Clinton is not stupid and he knew that would, at some point, be asked this question. He knows the answer that is expected of him (yes!) and even more importantly he knew exactly what the reaction would be if he gave anything other than that answer. Knowing that he very deliberately chose not to give that answer. He had a lot of nice things to say about Obama and about the Constitution but none of those things were answers to what was asked.
Myself, I find all of this obsessive focus on what the Clinton's think to be extremely tiresome but Bil knew exactly what he was doing in that interview. No reason to pretend otherwise.
August 7, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess the media just can't stand it unless the Clintons are stewing and holding a grudge and hating on Obama.
Fuckwits.
It's far better for Obama that he and the Clintons seem to be in step, IMO.
August 7, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
these political pundits keep saying that the biggest issues for voters these days r economy and the war in iraq thats bullshit,the biggest problem wit america is not tha slumping economy,the biggest issue in america is muthafuckas do not wanna vote 4 an african american man,i wish these dumb ass political pundits quit talking about why barack is not leading mcbush in the polls,mutha fucka hes black and for all u ignorant hateful racist muthafuckas who keep talkin about hes an empty suit or hes 2 liberal or attacking the man wife iam sorry for yall upbringing and yall parents upbringing as well,i can believe they ask voters in florida who would they prefer more for first lady michelle or cindy mccain and these dumb racist muthafuckas went wit cindy a drug addict and a fucking thief that runs a $100 million beer factory,michelle is angry and unpatriotic,michelle is a strong black woman but they said she got an attitude and snotty!!!WOW!!this white man in west virginia said i would rather lose my home,i would rather for my son and daughter to die in iraq i would rather for america to have a slumping economy but i will not in my life vote for a colored guy,how fuckin sick and pathetic he sound,he would rather his love ones die bkuz hes not voting for a colored guy!!!!
August 7, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm. Well it can't really be said that either Clintons are going whole hog campaigning for Obama, can it? Most of the MSM coverage has been about how Bilbo is getting along. How is he feeling these days? Has he gotten over it yet?
I mean, he (and she)could be making a huge difference right about now if he (she) wanted to. Where is he (she)?
They may be getting along, but i think it's a bit naive to think that thtey are in any way friends.
August 7, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
The MSM media is stirring a controversy where there is none.
August 7, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill Clinton = King Lear.
He wants to be the titan - but Obama actually overshadows him because of...
A. The circumstances of the nation. We're teetering on the edge of a depression (runs on banks anyone?) and the war 'profit' machine is just making it worse.
B. If Obama were elected, it would be the most important event in US history perhaps since the Civil War.
August 7, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama needs Clinton. Clinton doesn't need Obama. Clinton was a very successful two term President. Obama can only hope.
August 7, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
You've gotta admire how cool Obama is. No drama whatsoever, his eyes always on the prize. Here he throws Clinton a lifeline (assuming that Clinton still gives a rip about his reputation, which we all know he does) and signs him up to speak at the Convention. Obama will know and have approved every word, every pause, every punctuation mark in that speech before Clinton gets within 50 miles of Denver.
Since Clinton will be rehearsed, we know he'll be just fine. No extemporaneous comments in which to get lost. After that, it benefits Bill most of all to lay low until after the election. That's my sense.
August 7, 2008 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure you gave Dukakis and Kerry similar losing advise.
August 7, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama and Axelrod chose to go after Bill Clinton in a rather sleazy personal way. If they want his support, it's up to them to bring him back in. Lifeline? Bill's doing just fine in the money, reputation and doing-good-for-the-world departments - you can Google his foundation, rather impressive. Obama's yet to crack his first egg - we'll see what kind of omelette we end up with.
August 8, 2008 12:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Marginal Player
sounds bitter
heh...
August 8, 2008 2:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary has learned one important lesson from her husband: The whole world revolves around
M-E, *ME*
She is getting ready to take a big shit on the convention, continuing her divisive and egomaniacal "healing process" wherein she'll launch another internecine attempt to either somehow get on the ticket or at least make the event a grand and messy celebration of herself, election be damned. Self-obsessed fucking witch that she is.
August 8, 2008 3:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why can't Obama supporters take yes for an answer. You have been pissing and moaning for months about Hillary and Bill. You think you just discovered the political process. I am a HRC supporter who now enthusiastically supports Obama and I have moved on. Instead of reflexively beating up on Hillary and Bill and attributing their partial quotes like the MSM does as antiObama rants, grow up and campaign hard and tough against the Republican slime machine. Carrying Idaho and Wyoming in a Democratic primary isn't going to carry November.
August 8, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink