Mindless Veep Speculation Roundup
Okay, not so much mindless speculation. Mostly real news. Here's a quick roundup of the latest Veep and convention updates...
* The Obama campaign announces a battleground state tour leading up to the Dem convention, complete with as-yet-unknown Veep, beginning with a Saturday campaign announcement in Springfield, Illinois.
* Al Gore will speak at the convention on Thursday night at Invesco Field.
* Half of Dems nationwide agree that Hillary's act of putting her name in nomination -- you know that heinous, scheming act at the heart of Hillary's plot to steal the convention for herself -- think it will help unify the party. Only 28% disagree.
* Top advisers to McCain are reportedly sounding out activists and party officials about the possibility of either pro-choice Tom Ridge or pro-choice Joe LIeberman on the ticket. Not seeing how this one ever happens in the real world.
* Joe Biden's Veep chances shoot up -- on Intrade. And with Newsweek's Howard Fineman, who is convinced it will be Joe after conversations with multiple sources close to the process.
Late Update: Maybe it isn't Biden! ABC News reports:
As Delaware Sen. Joe Biden was leaving his house in Wilmington this afternoon, he slowed down and said to the gathered news reporters outside his home: "Hey guys, I'm not the guy. See ya."















This will all soon be obscured by the results of the LAT/Bloomberg poll...christ.
August 19, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
As long as the LAT poll helps convince Team Obama to begin sharpening their message against McSame, particularly with regard to his false and offensive attacks on, among other things, Obama's patriotism, that may actually be a good thing.
August 19, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guys, seriously. LAT-Bloomberg? During the primaries, they consistently overstated Hillary's lead (and understated Obama's leads) by 3 - 7 points compared to other polls taken at the same time. And yet, after months of relentless negativity, after outspending Obama like crazy in the battleground states, after being graded on the curve by the MSM for two months, even in their consistently off-kilter poll, McGoo still can't break his 44% ceiling? I'm calling that good news.
August 19, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was referring to the hysteria that usually kicks in at TPM with every 'bad' poll...
August 19, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do we think Lieberman would help McCain get elected? I can imagine McCain doing this as a gambit to pivot to a "country first," "above politics" foreign-policy-centered campaign. He is not above dumping the Republican Party, not at all. And wouldn't it suddenly take control of the Senate and its agenda away from the Democrats -- making it impossible for them to bring up the comprehensive energy bill?
Theda S.
August 19, 2008 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think there is any chance he chooses Lieberman - zero. I think Ridge is a better possibility than many believe.
August 19, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
PUHLEEZE let it be lieberweinie!
August 19, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe....but how much of his base would he lose as a result? Even discounting the evangelicals who will abandon him because of abortion - he'd be a 72 year old cancer survivor running with a Dem (at least some still consider him that) as his VP...that's got to cost him something.
August 19, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's what I've been saying since January when McCain rose from the dead - with Lieberman at his side by the way. Other than Graham the rest of Big John's friends had scattered
August 19, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chuck Todd says Biden
AND
either Pawlenty or Lieberman (leaning Mentum for the mentum)
August 19, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Leiberman as VP says America first?
I don't think so.
August 19, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
But ..... does anyone even *like* Lieberman anymore? What votes would he bring? (But I sure hope McCain thinks it's a wonderful idea and does it!!)
August 19, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right Wing Blogs are already planning their Biden assault, plan on championing his "7/11 Indian" comment as Biden's "Macaca" moment. Complete with the eventual Jindal comment criticizing Biden for such a racist remark.
The plan will be to attack Biden until be blows up spectacularly. No way Biden will be able to bite his tongue for two and a half months and all they need is one soundbyte.
August 19, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are one optimistic/helpful sonofabitch. Love your posts.
August 19, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Biden has been my pick for awhile now. I'm just playing devils advocate.
I understand there is no perfect pick, and one drawback of making the selection such a big issue is that the potential blow back will be equally as big. Everybody has their pick, their favorite, so they'll be disappointed. And then even those who championed Biden might have a passing case of buyers remorse.
August 19, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
But if you play Allen's "Macacca" clip and Biden's comment about 7/11 (I think it's only on audio, unfortunately) the difference is stark: Biden is not being mean-spirited, Allen was. People see that. And I think (certainly hope) Biden has learned to focus his temper on the important things (like when Bush says stuff that is bull**t) -- Stick with your first instinct, Jonze!
August 19, 2008 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chet Edwards
August 19, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know much about the guy, even though the famiglia is from Texas. However: Chet seems a little too "Bob Sugar" for some reason to me.
August 19, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tulane GREEN WAVE?
Arts and Sciences 1973
Roll Wave!
August 19, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain-Whitmen?
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/8/19/tom-ridge-ruse-ceo-meg-whitman-as-veep.html
August 19, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, McCain thinks we shouldn't vote for Obama because the world is too dangerous; yet at his age he wants his back-up to be someone with no foreign policy experience? Does that make any sense?
August 19, 2008 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
We can hope...
August 19, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
well, they are fawning over bobby jindal who can't even name one of Mccain's accomplishments when asked.
So let the incompetence on the gop side continue!
August 19, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most seem to think it will be "W"'s choice: Rob Portman- thus, Ohio rally after convention. Makes sense.
August 19, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
And then there's this:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/19/1276323.aspx
August 19, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Probably Obama has not yet asked his choice.
August 19, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think anyone betting on intrade would be more informed than Biden himself. And then there was that weird post on CNN for a brief bit this morning reporting that some intern working for the Obama camp had leaked that it was Bayh, but they took it down pretty immediately.
For perhaps the last time, I'm going to champion my gal:
Obama/Napolitano '08!
August 19, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think Biden denying it means anything. What'd you expect him to say, "Yep, it's me. Shhhhh..."
August 19, 2008 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd expect him to remark that he can't say up or down, not a flat-out denial of what he knows is true.
August 19, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
A politician flat-out denying something he knows is true? Well, I never...
August 19, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
The chances of an intern in Obama's disciplined campaign knowing anything about the person's identity is about like my knowledge of the date of the Rapture.
August 19, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Spill it.
I got dry cleaning to think about.
August 19, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
In other words Fineman bought a bunch of Biden stock and wrote an article so he can cash out high :P
Shit, I'd do it.
August 19, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I sure hope Obama picks Kathleen Sebelius.
He has nothing to lose with that choice.
He will have a strong minority and women support.
August 19, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
This Vice Presidential Nominee brought to you by the makers of Ambien.
August 19, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Half of Dems nationwide agree that Hillary's act of putting her name in nomination -- you know that heinous, scheming act at the heart of Hillary's plot to steal the convention for herself -- think it will help unify the party. Only 28% disagree."
Wasn't it about 28% of the american public disagree with the war on Iraq position of Bush? Sometimes, those bucking 'conventional wisdom' are right!
August 19, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's because TPM staff are on Mitt's payroll
Never fear
Mentum's near
August 19, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not that he was talked about much besides myself, by Feingold has also said he ain't it:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/08/deflated-feingold-will-not-be.php
August 19, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe he'll be McCain's VP ;)
August 19, 2008 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope he will not be Biden. If he goes with Biden, it would undermine his message of change...Biden has been in Washington for too long...
If he goes for Clinton that would be war, and would end his candidacy...
Warner, Sibellius, Kaine, Hagel would mane me happy. I know it is difficult to please every one.
August 19, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Warner- was Obama's top choice but doesn't want it.
Hagel- is to the right of McCain for crying out loud.
Sebelius- has no national security credentials.
Kaine- see above
August 19, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's campaign has been about change and above partisan lines...
Any choice like Biden would undermine that message, and would be politic as usual.
August 19, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't you think that to effect change you need assistance from people who know HOW the system works? Biden has been 'different' from the typical Washington pol (shown by the fact that he isn't rich!!). I think you'd get more change with an Obama/Biden combination than Obama/Kaine or Sebelius or someone else who has no knowledge of Washington. Even Clark wouldn't have much to contribute in that regard.
August 19, 2008 10:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, Joe! You were doing so well for the last 40 days, then you had to go and open your mouth! You could have been a contender.
August 19, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Over at 538.com, it says that Fox is reporting McCain will not pick a pro-choice VP (Ridge, Lieberman, Whitman would all be knocked out). http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/foxs-pro-choice-poison-pill.html
We'll find out soon enough, I guess.
August 19, 2008 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Re: pro-choice veep
Limbaugh forbids it.
August 19, 2008 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rush and Dobson don't like pro-choice VP.
McCain must obey or else.
August 19, 2008 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
If John McCain picks Joe Lieberman,
Chuck Hagel all the way.
August 19, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm glad that you're continuing to give your input on politics, Ms. Hilton.
August 19, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Biden's not it? That really throws a wrench into the whole thing, doesn't it?
Hmm. My Schweitzer hopes live. Though seeing as Obama will probably be announcing tomorrow morning, those hopes will be short lives. He's a longshot.
August 19, 2008 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that he won't announce tomorrow. He's going to wait to the end of the week. He looked affected for the cold he has today (but his speech at the VFW was good) Of course, I could be wrong.
Schweitzer could be a masterstroke. The midwest is key in the Obama strategy and there's no better representation of that than a Democratic governor in Montana. Montana! Who knew?
Still, I don't rule out Biden yet. The way he declared to ABC feels and looks like a showoff.
"I'm not the guy, see ya". Come on...
Let's just wait and see.
August 19, 2008 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Question for CT residents - Do you have recall petitions there, like in California? Can Lieberman be recalled - Can this be put on your ballot? What's he done for you lately? I think it's great that the Obama campaign is keeping the bloviators so busy - It's less time & energy they have for reporting on McBush.
August 19, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
For the umpteenth time, whether a Senator can be recalled is a Constitutional issue not a state issue, and the answer under the Constitution is No.
August 20, 2008 1:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
If they haven't gotten an imaginative, multi-level nuclear attack prepared, both against McMajorShit and the Thugs, it may likely be already too late. To counter the zeitgeist that has taken place since the first Paris/Britney ad, the dust has got to be stirred up such that the media thugs react in outrage and people on both sides are on the edge of going into the street.
THAT is how you win an election, with an offense, not a defense.
August 19, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
The pro-choice balloon floated by McCain tells us a couple of things. Firstly that he likely doesn't have strong feelings one way or the other regarding abortion, but he's pro-life because it is politically expedient. And secondly, he's not happy with his current list of VP candidates and was hoping he could choose Ridge or Lieberman.
Also with polls as close as they are, McCain can't go for the outside the box pick. If he was down by 6 points across the board, he could have went for a Hail Mary pass. However he'd rallied the GOP base, now he needs to keep them happy.
August 19, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope its not biden. I like him, but I think he would be a huge mistake. Sorry biden fans. Biden cuts against alot of obama's message and would highlight the foreign policy and experience alleged "problems."
August 19, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wes Clark.
August 19, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
PLEASE!
August 19, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with you Michael A.
Governor Tim Kaine or Governor Sebelius...
August 19, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seth, there are way too many syllables in that ticket. And it sounds like something you would order at Baskin Robbins.
And you Sebelius people just need to go away. I would have thought over the past several weeks you would have at least tried to make a coherent case for the woman.
August 19, 2008 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
McMajorShit and The Thugs: that's my new band. We eat Repuglicans for breakfast, as RFK once said.
August 19, 2008 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obamacaine? Is the CIA in on this?
August 19, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, Nader thinks it will be HRC, and he may be right. I'm certainly no Hillary fan, but I'd prefer her to Bayh. Bayh is HRC without the supporters but with even heavier pro-war baggage.
Still hoping against hope for Wes Clark, though. He's by far the most consistent with Obama's Change theme.
August 19, 2008 9:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Hillary women still remember Sen. Biden from the Clarence Thomas hearings.
Biden has repeatedly made remarks of the sort that Obama has labeled racist in other settings.
Biden has other problems as well.
August 19, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe Biden says it's not him, so that leaves the impression that Obama wants to raise a KAINE from Virginia:
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2008/08/breaking-news-barack-obama-to-campaign.html#links
August 19, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nader is a dumb ass...
August 19, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
That may well be, but I think it is a bit remiss of you to not also reflect as to what a big dick he is, apart from what you kindly observe!
August 20, 2008 8:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
It won't be Sebelius. To pick a woman and it not be Hillary would be an unforgivable insult to the Hillbots.
August 19, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillbots are determined to be unforgivably insulted no matter what.
August 20, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe I'm indulginmg in wishful thinking, but...
Wes Clark's a good match to Obama in style and temperament.
Wes Clark would completely neutralize McCain's perceived military chops. A career four-star commander of NATO forces vs. a cowboy Flop Gun who's cracked up five planes?
Wes Clark is from the south.
Wes Clark is (sort-of) a nod to Hillary.
August 19, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think clark would be a good choice, but how could Obama pick him when just a short time ago he disavowed Clark's true statement that being shot down didn't qualify anyone for President.
I have had an odd feeling that Dick Gephardt could well be Obama's choice, but have no evidence that is the case, nor have I heard much about it in the press in a month or more. But if you think about it, he wouldn't be such a bad choice. He is well liked by those whose support for Obama is weak. He knows DC well. He is respected. He has about 30 years of experience in DC and knows how to work the Congress. Then again, probably not.
I just hope Obama doesn't make the mistake of tilting right and nominating a Democrat in Name Only as VP. It would weaken the ticket and strengthen those elements who most oppose change which, if my memory serves me correctly, is what Obama is supposedly all about.
August 19, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
WHAT IS IS WITH YOU PEOPLE AND CLARK?! He has never been elected to any office. He ran a bad campaign. There is *no way* it will be Clark.
August 20, 2008 1:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF1602/Graves/Graves.htmlRevising the Thomas-Hill Hearings
By Ruth Graves
WOULD ANGELA WRIGHT'S TESTIMONY HAVE CHANGED THE COURSE OF HISTORY?
Angela Wright is another woman who had worked for Thomas at the EEOC who had been subpoenaed by the Senate Judiciary Committee. She told committee staff who inter viewed her that By had pressured for her dates and made inappropriate comments about her appearance, once asking at an EEOC seminar, "What size are your breasts?" Although she was standing by in Washington, she was never called to testify at the hearings.
While Biden says he "insisted" that she testify, Wright and her attorney say that was never communicated to them. Instead, they recall that Biden's counsel Cynthia Hogan suggested that Wright ask the committee to withdraw her subpoena. She refused, saying if the committee wanted to withdraw it, that was their perogative, but she was willing to testify if the committee called her.
In a last-minute, late-night maneuver, Wright and her attorney say Biden offered the concept of a letter releasing her from the subpoena but putting her testimony and that of a corroborator in the official record. Wright acceded to the offer, explaining that her consistent position had been that she was not asking to testify, but she was willing to testify if the senators called her.
BIDEN: "I believe (her testimony) could have (changed the course of history). Now others believed that she would hurt Anita Hill.
OGLETREE: We were concerned about anything that would hurt Anita Hill. But Anita Hill was not going to be hurt by Angela Wright. Congress' job would have been more complicated --they would have to beat up on a second black woman in the course of 48 hours, and that is something they had to weigh.....
I thought her willingness to come forward was commendable, but their treatment of her was despicable and unforgivable. And I think that literally she would have changed the course of history....
BIDEN: I was told (Angela Wright) wanted the subpoena lifted and that people who were strong Anita Hill people wanted the subpoena lifted. They testimony was so strong standing on its own that no matter how good anyone else was, it believed that Anita Hill's would be diluted. It would take away from it.
OGLETREE: If Biden in implying that Hill's team opposed Angela Wright's testimony, that is absolutely, unequivocally, categorically, and positively false. And that is the greatest creative use of fact and fiction that I have heard from these hearings. There is no one associated with the Anita Hill team who will tell you or can tell you that we opposed Angela Wright's testimony....We desperately wanted Angela Wright to testify because she was the one additional witness who was both willing and able to come forward and state that on another occasion Justice Thomas had engaged in conduct that was tantamount to sexual harassment....
And we think that would have taken this thing over the top. It is absolutely absurd for Sen. Biden or anyone else to suggest that anyone associated with Anita Hill prevented Revisting the Thomas-Hill Hearings
Angela Wright from testifying. We wanted her to testify, and we wish she had testified. And we thought the whole deal that both sides of the Congress made to allow her testimony to be submitted in the middle of the night without examination is shameful and reflected poorly on the entire process.
And we think that would have taken this thing over the top. It is absolutely absurd for Sen. Biden or anyone else to suggest that anyone associated with Anita Hill prevented Angela Wright from testifying. We wanted her to testify, and we wish she had testified. And we thought the whole deal that both sides of the Congress made to allow her testimony to be submitted in the middle of the night without examination is shameful and reflected poorly on the entire process.
WHY WASN'T A PANEL OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT EXPERTS CALLED?
BIDEN: I wanted a panel on sexual harassment to come and testify, so we could put in context what we were talking about. And it was decided by the Hill people that they didn't want that panel to come on. Again, there was a feeling --communicated to me secondhand -- that Anita Hill had won this thing. She had made her case. And I kept saying, `wrong, this ain't over.' I was very disappointed ....Whether or not it would have helped Anita Hill, it would have enlightened; it would have shed more light on the veracity of the comments that had been made by all parties in my view.
Florence Graves, the founding editor of Common Cause Magazine, is a research fellow at Harvard University's Institute of Politics and one of the reporters who broke the Sen. Bob Packwood sexual misconduct story in The Washington Post.
August 19, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary stood by Bill and tried to discredit the young women Bill sexually assaulted.
August 19, 2008 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay here's my prediction. Obama will make a personal play for Mark Warner tomorrow. There was an Ambinder blog not too long ago that Caroline Kennedy and Co. were pushing for Warner to agree to be vetted, but he turned them down saying he was focused on Virginia. I think Obama will make a final personal one-on-one plea, and even offer him the VP spot privately.
If he turns it down, Joe Biden will be announced Friday.
August 19, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Will that be before or after your next sleazy lie about Bill Clinton?
August 19, 2008 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
For the umpteenth time, whether a Senator can be recalled is a Constitutional issue not a state issue, and the answer under the Constitution is No.
August 20, 2008 2:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am really ready to get my text message. to much speculation and I think it will not be a deal breaker anyway. I do know Team Obama needs to visit this site and boost McCain's number at this on-line live poll. It will be interesting to see the movement after the VP pick http://www.bop-o-rama.com
August 20, 2008 7:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Daschle and Pawlenty.
August 20, 2008 8:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shorter -
"Get Off My Lawn (please)."
August 20, 2008 8:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps you have not received your text message yet?? It's JFK !! John F. Kerry. Do you want to know why?
When is he scheduled to speak at the Convention? Sebelius, Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, but no John Kerry? It doesn't add up.
Also, considering that John Kerry did Obama a great favor in 2004 by letting him speak as the keynote speaker and gave him national recognition, Barack Obama is not the type of person to forget his friends or their favors.
Also, John Kerry brings 59 million supporters from his last election, as well as a desire to make sure that the Swift Boaters do not get to do their dirty deeds again. On top of all that, he has the foregin policy credentials to compete with John McCain.
Remember. You heard it here first.
August 20, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink