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McCain Recycling Hillary's Old Attacks Against Obama


At this point, the pattern is overwhelmingly clear: Again and again, John McCain's attacks on Barack Obama have been virtually identical to the ones Hillary waged against him during the primaries. We've compiled a chart below that illustrates this in striking terms.

Our chart documents seven examples in which the spirit and substance of Hillary's attacks during the primaries have found themselves repeated in identical terms by the McCain campaign.

In some ways, this is to be expected. After all, two people who are running against Barack Obama will be tempted to adopt the same obvious themes.

But McCain's parroting of Hillary's attacks is nonetheless striking. At times, the McCain campaign has occasionally referred directly to Hillary's criticisms of Obama in a play for her voters. McCain has frequently echoed even some of Hillary's most esoteric and unlikely attacks, too.

The McCain team seems to have calculated that the differences in the primary and general election electorates are substantial enough that the same attacks that failed last time will work this time. But this is nonetheless a big gamble for the McCain camp. Obama has already faced down these same attacks -- and won.

View our full chart after the jump.
Hillary McCain
1"But giving speeches alone won't end the war and making campaign promises you might not keep certainly won't end it."

-- Hillary's speech on the Iraq War, March 17, 2008.
"Energy in particular seems to confound Senator Obama, because if there is any problem that can't be solved by words alone it's America's need for secure and affordable energy supplies."

-- McCain's "Weekly Radio Address," August 9, 2008.
2A Hillary mailer said Obama had taken donations from employees of energy companies -- turning his small-donor base into a negative.

-- February 29, 2008.
The RNC blasts Obama for taking money from "Big Oil" -- turning his small-donor base into a negative.

-- August 7, 2008.
3Hillary says that she and McCain have both crossed the "commander-in-chief threshold," kicking off a long run for her campaign saying Obama had yet to pass the "commander-in-chief test."

-- March 6, 2008.
McCain says the Surge amounted to a "real-time test for a future commander-in-chief," and that Obama failed the test.

-- July 25, 2008.
4"And we don't need to be raising the false hopes of our country about what can be delivered. The best way to know what change I will produce is to look at the changes that I've already made."

-- Hillary at an ABC debate, January 5, 2008.
John McCain doesn't always tell us what we hope to hear. Beautiful words cannot make our lives better ... Don't hope for a better life -- vote for one.

-- McCain ad, July 7, 2008.
5"I am ready to govern, I am ready to lead on day one."

-- A frequent refrain from the Hillary campaign.
"We need a president who's ready to be commander-in-chief on Day One. Sen. McCain is. Incidentally, Sen. Clinton said that over and over again, and she was right -- she was ready to be president on Day One."

-- Joe Lieberman, June 29, 2008.
6"It's 3 a.m. and your children are safe and asleep. But there's a phone in the White House, and it's ringing. Something's happening in the world. Your vote will decide who answers that call. Whether it's someone who already knows the world's leaders, knows the military -- someone tested and ready to lead in a dangerous world."

-- Hillary campaign ad, March 1, 2008.
"Our enemies will test the new president early. Remember that the truck bombing of the World Trade Center happened in the first year of the Clinton Administration. 9/11 happened in the first year of the Bush Administration. John McCain is ready to take the reins on January 20, 2009."

-- Joe Lieberman, June 29, 2008.
7"There's a big difference between us -- speeches versus solutions. Talk versus action. You know, some people may think words are change. But you and I know better. Words are cheap."

-- Hillary, February 14, 2008.
"I believe that people are interested very much in substance. If it was simply style, William Jennings Bryan would have been president."

-- McCain, June 6, 2008.

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Ugh.

The anti-Clinton folks are going to all over this.

I think half of them are Republicans -- the other half are just FUCKING NUTS.

Or people who just weren't happy about her shameless and shortsighted attacks on the Democratic nominee long after it was essentially impossible for her to win. But if that equals being Republican (hmm...attacking Democrats = Democrat, not attacking Democrats = Republican, k...) or being "fucking nuts"...well...I guess that's pretty Orwellian.

I just hope when she is traveling around in targeted states she at least disavows these attacks, you know, at least un-endorse McCain over Obama and at least acknowledge that Obama has crossed that magical "threshold".

Has she even disavowed her attack that the GOP is already using in ads, with HRC saying that McCain has the experience to be CinC and she does too but all Obama has is that one speech?

Why should she?

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Well, if she thinks McCain's confused belligerence and lackluster record is "good experience" for the presidency, doesn't that suggest she's not a very good judge of what presidents should be and do, and doesn't that, in turn, suggest she's unfit for the office herself?

If you really wanted Obama to win you wouldn't have to ask.

Some people would phrase that "If SHE really wanted him to win." I think that is Billy's point, but he can speak for himself.

What is the point of rehashing all of this bullshit? We need the energy of the majority of Hillary's supporters to take the presidency far more than we need to heal our precious feelings. We won. Let's win again.

yeah, but McCain will likely meet the same fate as clinton did, which is a BIG FAT LOSE


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Ah, forgot about that William Jennings Bryan quote. Classic old dude talk.

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Hmm, certainly provides some grist for the mill.

Beautiful words cannot make our lives better ... Don't hope for a better life -- vote for one.

I like that you're told "words don't mean anything" right before you're hit with a slogan.

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And let's not even mention that McCain plagiarized the slogan.

Between lifting Hillary's talking points, stealing a slogan from the Tories, and getting into copyright scrapes with everyone from Wayne & Garth to Fox News (and adopting the entire Bush platform as their own), Team Grouchy seems to suffer from a total lack of creativity.

Cindy McCain couldn't even walk across the house and ask her personal chef to give her a recipe, so why would we expect more from her husband?

Should be surprised McCain is adopting the losing strategy of HRC? No. Hillary lost and McCain will too.

The most amusing thing about this is that the Clinton quotes at least kinda make sense, whereas the McCain ones vary from illogical to unapologetic fearmongering

Suddenly Clinton's campaign seems respectful and reasonable. At least, compared to Johnny McChimpo

IT'S NOT A LOSING STRATEGY! At least, it hasn't been proven to be losing.

Eric said: "Obama has already faced down these same attacks -- and won." But this statement is only half true and wholly misleading.

Obama faced these attacks from Hillary only after Obama was so far ahead that it was almost impossible for Hillary to catch him, no matter what strategy she used. Look at the dates on the Hillary quotes -- almost all the attacks were made well after Super Tuesday. Hillary implemented her strategy only when Obama's delegate-count victory was pretty much assured, even though the MSM and Hillary herself did not yet realize that fact.

If Hillary had used the "low road" strategy from day one -- as McCain is doing -- instead of using it as a hail-mary play, it might well have worked. Do not make the mistake of thinking that the McCain/Hillary stragegy is a losing one. It's quite possible that Hillary's "losing strategy" was failing to go down the low road from the beginning. In any case, we simply don't know if the strategy is a losing one. Mr. Kleefeld should know better.

How do you separate whether the tactics of the campaign worked or the candidate him or herself was more appealing no matter the content of the campaign? In other words, did the intention of voters in OH, PA, WV, KY to vote for Clinton change between the end of February and the end of the campaign? My guess is Obama actually finished closer in the vote than he polled in in Feb. in many of those states, so maybe it was Obama's campaign that was more effective, even though he never changed enough minds/increased turnout enough to win.

I would bet a lot of money that you have no ability to separate out the two explanations.

I bet no one can.

For sure the professional campaign tactician's will tell you what they do makes all the difference inthe world. It's very very hard to tell.

From Joe Trippi's blog at JoeTrippi.com, a post entitled Believe It or Not, Barack Obama Won It:

In politics the number of things you can wonder “if only” about are legion in a losing campaign, and Hillary Clinton’s campaign has hundreds of them.

If only they had actually contested the caucus states, Hillary Clinton would have been the nominee.

If only they had known the campaign was going to last past February 5th, and planned accordingly, Hillary Clinton would have been the nominee.

If only they hadn’t spent all that money prior to Iowa, Hillary Clinton would have been the nominee.

If only they had figured out just a little earlier that change was more important than experience, Hillary Clinton would have been the Democratic nominee.

If only they had run a more bottom-up campaign that empowered people, Hillary Clinton would have been the nominee.

If only they had let Hillary be authentic, Hillary Clinton would have been the nominee.

And of course, if only Barack Obama had not run for President, Hillary Clinton would be the nominee.

If only, if only, if only.

Trippi wrote this in answer to Howard Wolfson's claim that if Edwards had dropped out sooner (because of the "scandal"), Hillary would have won.

I have quoted this section because it is the perfect antidote to your comment.

If only...

Yes, McCain will lose, and we can have some fun while he is doing it.

"Who Does McCain Remind you of? A New Game for Hard Times"
http://msa4.wordpress.com/

correction: Should we be surprised McCain is adopting the losing strategy of HRC? No. Hillary lost and McCain will too.

Word.

He might also be trying to forge a connection with some Clinton supporters. "Hmm, sounds like Hillary . . . "

Too bad he lacks any of the positives that Hillary embodied. That, and he has a penis.

The McCain team seems to have calculated that the differences in the primary and general election electorates are substantial enough that the same attacks that failed last time will work this time. But this is nonetheless a big gamble for the McCain camp. Obama has already faced down these same attacks -- and won.

Cue Fogu2 & al to tell us that 1) Obama never really won and 2) these attacks are definitely going to work this time around and aren't we going to be sorry that we did not listen to them in March and April when they tried to warn us of as much.

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LOL!

You stole the words right out of his ass.

Nice de-fanging sir. Well played.

And also the concern trolls who told us that oh dear we should have picked Hillary but oh my we didn't listen and now they're for Obama but oh dear how can Obama ever withstand these attacks and oh my the attacks we haven't even seen yet might be even worse and oh dear oh my if only we'd listened when they told us Hillary was the only one who could win oh my oh dear!

There's still a major difference here, the audience. These attacks were at least somewhat successful, I mean Hillary culled nearly half of the Democratic primary voters. I think these are attacks far more likely to appeal to undecideds and conservatives. In the end, while the attacks are similar it doesn't mean that it's the same old debunked strategy and acting like it is and not fighting back hard against such attacks would be a mistake.

Hillary certainly helps with her soft ass attacks on McCain.

"They say some of my supporters are considering voting for McCain. Folks, that's four more years of George W. Bush. Those who voted for me should no doubt cast another vote for Senator Obama in November (WINK WINK)."

If she'd go half as hard at McCain as she did Obama and make it clear that he's her enemy, maybe his mimicking of her campaign wouldn't be as effective. Instead it seems like she enjoys not being in the crosshairs of Republican attacks for once and wants to bask in her temporary role as the untouchable blue collar madam for as long as she can.

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Yes, and if Hillary had won, McCain would've used some of the same attacks that Obama has used against her in the primary. File this under Dog Bites Man. Pols have obvious vulnerabilities, and their opponents, whatever their party, will try to exploit them. In fact, I dunno what the point of this post is: Are you actually suggesting that McCain would not have come up with these without Hillary's help? Outside of the "threshold" attack, in which she actually compared Obama unfavorably to McCain, none of Hillary's attacks listed here cross any sort of line.

And it should be said that she rejected some of the most despicable lines of attack that Mark Penn favored and that McCain is using. I

"McCain would've used some of the same attacks that Obama has used against her in the primary."

But if Obama was out there campaigning hard for Hillary and drawing sharp lines of contrast between he and McCain, doing all he could to point out how absurd it is for his supporters to turn around and cast a vote for McCain in November, those attempts would be far less effective.

If Obama was weak in that regard and made it seem like he didn't really care what we did then I'd be disappointed in him as I am the Clintons. 'Cause this is one Obama supporter who would've fallen in line behind Hillary and expected Barack to do the same.

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Unlike some, I haven't really been following the Clintons' every more. The subject bores me. But from I gather, it seems to me that Hillary's doing a decent job of promoting Obama and Bill isn't. In any case, it's a different issue from the one addressed in the post.

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And yet nobody is going to cry plagiarism.

Further evidence supporting my theory that they just bought Mark Penn's campaign playbook at a flea market somewhere back in June and said "wow, this stuff is dynamite! And just look at that price!"

Right idea, but I think it happened differently. During the primary, it seemed pretty clear to me and many others that Penn would rather see McCain elected than Obama. My guess is that he has talked at length and passed along his bullshit memos to his co-worker Charlie Black many a time.

Notice how almost all of those attacks came AFTER she had any chance of winning...

So, what are you trying to say, that the long tough fight between Clinton and Obama has given McCain ammunition to use against Obama? Don't you think that the McCain campaign could come up with these attacks by their own Republican selves, and that you are just recognizing them at part of the campaign environment, not the copying of Clinton campaign attacks, as you would love to say?

Can we say Charlie Black = Mark Penn? I can see the connection going by the strategy employed by both campaigns.

Charlie Black and Mark Penn are great buddy

Hell, they work for the same company. I bet Penn made a point of passing along his memos to Black long before they became public.

I going to hope people see that McCain does not have any thoughts, plans and or judgement of his own Period!

And here is some more proof of that...While he is standing in front of our Flag acting like Commander and Fool he might have forgotten this part and many others of the Georgia's conflict...But just like Iraq he picked and choose what part was important to go to war, and acted like it was and still is the right thing.

I hope the people get to see him for what he really is No Judgement, No Facts, No Ideals of his own, No Plans...Just I'm a Veteran. Well I'm a veteran too, and I know better than to give our country a half truth and Lies when lives are in danger.

So Read this and tell me what part McCain missed and why?

Gwynne Dyer: Georgia's huge South Ossetia mistake
By Gwynne Dyer
http://www.straight.com/article-157265/gwynne-dyer-south-ossetia-was-monumental-miscalculation-georgia

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Let's not do cause and effect in the wrong order.

These attacks on Obama are where he is vulnerable. Experience, leadership, words not action, his early ads were a celebration of his celelbrity, of himself by his supporters.

He is vulneravble there. and IT WAS EXPECTED BY ANYONE WHO COULD THINK AHEAD THAT THIS IS WHERE THE REPUBLICANS WOULD ATTACK HIM IF HE BECAME THE NOMINEE.. So he's the nominee, so he's being attacked on his vulnerablilities...

The Republican attacks are happening on theri own not becasue of Hillary Clinton. Whether she was silent or even praising of him ...the republicans would still be attacking these things.

So Hillary attacked him on his weaknesses. He attacked her weaknesses. Do you expect a campign in the primary that would never mention an oppnent's weakness? I hope not...do we really want such wimpy nominees?

He referenced William Jennings Bryan? 23 skidoo!!

What a silly piece of reasoning is contained in the following paragraph of yours:

The McCain team seems to have calculated that the differences in the primary and general election electorates are substantial enough that the same attacks that failed last time will work this time. But this is nonetheless a big gamble for the McCain camp. Obama has already faced down these same attacks -- and won.

First, Clinton's attacks on Obama were pretty effective. They may not have won her the nomination, but they made this a historically close primary race, with her outpolling him in many major battleground state primaries. His delegate victory was due almost entirely to his out organizing her on the ground in caucus states dominated by voters who were tailor made for him and not for her.

Moreover, the voters in the democratic primaries and caucuses were choosing between two democrats and are voters who are mostly rock solid democrats or almost certain to vote democratic in the general election.

That her attacks did not fully succeed in the primaries is exactly zero measure of how effective they will be in the general election.

Of course I'm sure you do understand the huge difference between a primary/caucus system and the general election. But just to make sure I'll note two things. First off, the general election is a plebiscite and not a caucus. Which means all comers have an equal chance of partaking. You don't have to commit hours. You get to vote in secret. And no electioneering is allowed near the polls.

Second, it's a contest not between committed democrats to decide which of two democrats they prefer but a contest between a democrat and a republican -- who start off with very different base votes. Each of them is guaranteed 40+ % of the vote already. The voters not already committed are pretty much up for grabs. The general election is partly about mobilizing your guaranteed 40+ %, but it's also partly about swaying those who haven't paid much attention and don't have much ideology and aren't very political to begin with.

That Hillary's attacks didn't sway enough voters to give her the nomination during the primaries means, I repeat, almost nothing about the effectiveness of similar attacks in McCain's hands when they are aimed not at committed democrats but at swaying the marginal voters who decide elections and the mobilizing his core voters to turn out.

FInally, I should say that the attacks that Hillary and now McCain are mounting against Obama are the attacks that ANY opponent would mount against him. If you were a political consultant and you didn't advise your candidate to do just what Hillary did and McCain is doing, you'd be guilty of malpractice.

If McCain is using the same attacks Hillary used on Obama, it's both good and bad depending on how you look at it.

First, the bad: It's bad that a Democrat would attack a fellow Democrat is pretty much the same way a Republican would. Also, it gave McCain a blueprint on what attacks to use against Obama.

But then again, it's good in that Obama has already seen these attacks and knows how to deal with them. I'm not saying I'm buying into the argument made by some in the Clinton campaign during the primaries that they were actually doing Obama a favor by attacking him in this fashion. I seriously doubt that they had Obama's best interests at heart.

What I am saying is that the Clinton campaign's attacks have turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

Theclintons should demand royalties. They could pay down their debt that way.

Clinton told the truth about Obama. Clinton told the truth about McCain. Obama told the truth about Clinton. Obama told the truth about McCain. McCain told the truth about Obama. McCain told the truth about Clinton. But did Clinton tell the truth about Clinton? Did Obama tell the truth about Obama? Did McCain tell the truth about McCain? The voters will decide.

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what the?? you spent time typing that?

Heh. Billy thinks that McCain told the truth about Obama. Priceless.

Hat too small... squeezing blood from brain...

You have absolutely no clue about the fundamental difference between "opinion" and "truth". How Republican of you!

Her lackluster support of Obama is indication that she is still bruised...in addition to her wanting toget her debt paid and her facetime at the convention...It was ALWAYS predicted that McCain/repubs would use these! She was warned but ego/ambition got inthe way!!

So she was helping McCain after she discovered she could not win...very classy, indeed!

Instead of paying those high-priced campaign aides of his, he ought to be helping her resolve her debt. She did all of the work for him!

Poor poor Hussein... guess the truth hurts huh?
He's gonna have his hos out there saying it ain't true no it ain't that Hussein is a Lying Afrocentric America Hating Moslem Raised IslamoFascist Terrorist Married Asshole.
No, it just ain't true!
And what a week its been for your Lawn Jockey in Chief...
He begins by making himself Putin's ButtBoy and ends his week by taking it up the ass from HRC!
What a punk... you just know that he did BreckBoy too!

Here's a not-so-subtle reminder of the gigantic, flaming assholes we should all be determined to destroy together instead of rehashing all of the same garbage over and over and over again.

Oh, and JTHB, if it's not clear, I think you're the douchiest douche in all of doucheland.

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Vile racist comments.

My comment above is directed at JTHB.

As for the Clinton/McCain chart, I think it is a ridiculous effort to condemn Clinton for doing what any other politician would have done in a primary. As such it is of a piece with the double standard that the press has used against the Clintons for 16 years. It is a shame to see such inside the Beltway, conventional wisdom tripe appear on TPM.

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HORSEPUCKY cubed.

If you simple and gentle folk cannot tell the difference between the Points made by Clinton and those by McSAME, then God help this country.

I would never never never vote GOP, but you all make me feel sad to vote for someone you would support. I continue to talk to Dems who supported Clinton and are seriously going to vote McCain. I do not get it at all. They are troubled by Obama and his recent flipflopping back and forth. Yes, I know McCain is a pin wheel and a pin head, but these are smart people who are not bigots. They are just not convinced.

There's a huge difference here. ANY politician running against a talented newcomer would try to make people think the opponent was a neophyte while they are a known quantity. There's no idea of coordination, or the Clinton advisers (a band of clowns, and the best reason to think it's a good idea she lost) forging some kind of original (or successful) campaign that the McCain people suddenly had some a-ha moment about. Clinton was urged to do what McCain has done, and go really negative. Clinton refused.

What's negative? Look at Corsi. Look at any ad with a subtextual racism in it, or absolute lies: "Obama's going to tax anybody making over 42 grand!" "Obama neglected the troops because he's a celebrity, presumptuous camera hound." The Clinton campaign said nothing like that. Penn wanted to. Hillary didn't.

So, I think it's time to grow up a little, realize you won, and that the opponent is George Bush's legacy and John McCain. Hillary's a Democrat.

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