McCain On Swift-Boating Book: "Gotta Keep Your Sense Of Humor"
The Obama campaign, eager to make it known that it's responding forcefully to the new Swift-Boating book by Jerome Corsi, is jumping on a John McCain moment today where he appeared to sidestep an opportunity to condemn the book and its multiple falsehoods about Barack Obama.
Asked by a reporter today to comment on the book, McCain said: "Gotta keep your sense of humor," before his aides whisked him away.
That prompted Obama spokesperson Tommy Vietor to launch approximately a dozen tactical nukes in McCain's direction:
"The old John McCain used to boast about honorable politics, while the new John McCain finds Roveian smears funny. Honor is not a laughing matter. What does John McCain think is funny about an intolerant smear artist who called Pope John Paul II senile and claims the government lied about 9/11? McCain has said he wants to run an honorable campaign, but his belief that these smears are funny makes people question whether he now approves of the same reprehensible politics used to smear his own character eight years ago."
The point that bears repeating here is that in 2004, McCain did condemn the Swift-Boating of John Kerry, which Corsi also had a big role in. Also, McCain has claimed he wants the current campaign to be "civil."
But McCain has looked the other way when his own surrogates have questioned Obama's patriotism and American-ness, and his campaign has even endorsed these attacks. And now the same tactics that McCain condemned in 2004 are apparently just some gag that we should all have a good laugh over.
McCain campaign advisers, too, are declining to condemn the Corsi book. This morning, we asked the McCain camp if Corsi's tactics have a place in a campaign McCain himself says he hopes will remain "civil." No answer yet.
Late Update: The Associated Press reports that a McCain spokesperson is claiming that he didn't understand the question. But AP adds that the McCain campaign has no comment on -- or condemnation of -- the Corsi book.















PERFECT response!
August 15, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is that tough enough for you guys?
August 15, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was a stupid answer, he should've said, "I haven't read it."
August 15, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suppose. But it's his same bullshit response when asked about his "celebrity" ads.
John McCain: thinking character assassination is hilarious since probably just after 2000
August 15, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's funny that McCain was brainwashed and tortured by the Communists when he was a POW. Sidesplitting!!! Ha ha ha.
August 15, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. Does this mean Alzheimer jokes are OK by him now?
August 15, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stupid response is right. That's the point.
But wait, McCain is excused all his fuckups because (sing it with me) he was a POW!
August 15, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
yeah that would have beeen a good response. Or he could have said that he agrees with the book. Maybe then we can have McCain on Larry King live and feed him to the nerd guy over there at Media Matters. That would be a sight to see.
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August 15, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually his retort shows he has no moral rudder. This guy who was brow-beaten by the Bush camp about his "black baby" now employs the same sort of low life, disgusting behavior. I had thought he had more moral courage but obviously, the old McCain has sold his soul to the party of destruction and name calling. How sad to see this guy waste away his moral rudder. He is as mean and vicious as any other hate filled Republican even after being on the business end of that sort of hate filled rhetoric. Although I wrote in his name the last two elections, I shall not vote for him this time because he has joined the smut team.
August 17, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
It would be nice is it were reported somewhere else besides TPM.
August 15, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
that's "if it were reported"
August 15, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
AP interprets the "sense of humor" remark as "No Comment"
August 15, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
WTF?????
August 15, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unbelievable. From the story linked by Schmedley above:
"An Associated Press reporter tried to ask McCain for a comment Friday in Aspen as journalists were being escorted from a brief photo opportunity. McCain smiled and said, 'gotta keep your sense of humor.'
Campaign spokeswoman Brooke Buchanan said McCain did not hear the question, and the campaign had no comment."
Just another case where the candidate doesn't speak for the campaign I guess. Didn't hear the question?!?! I might buy that if he had responded with, "a ham sandwich and chips" or something equally obscure. Where is the responsible journalism?
August 15, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not hearing/understanding questions is getting to be a pattern. I don't think we want Emily Litella in the White House.
August 15, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Armchairmen, what say you?
August 15, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now if only the Obama machine can get 42 surrogates to go on all the talk shows and jam this up McCain's tailpipe like his lackys do to Obama...
August 15, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great stuff. One minor adjustment to suggest:
Should be "the old John McCain" versus "now the older John McCain".
August 15, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, friggin' hilarious. I know that I always enjoy a chuckle when someone is savagely attacking my personal character.
Douche.
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August 15, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, that's a pretty odd choice of words. And similar to Lieberman's advice about lying back and enjoying it. The danger for McCain is that he seemed to imply that there's something wrong with what Corsi is saying - why else the need to laugh at it? He tacitly implied the book is a smear.
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August 15, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
i'm hoping our friends in the corporate media will hit mccain over the head for this most blatant piece of flip-floppery.
he condemned them in 04, but now, just four years late he thinks its funny?
i'm not holding my breath though.
August 15, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
They are grading this one on a curve, so you are smart not to hold your breath....
August 15, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Slightly off topic. When did HusseinTenaX start writing for Vesti-FM?
"Russians were told over breakfast yesterday what really happened in Georgia: the conflict in South Ossetia was part of a plot by Dick Cheney, the Vice-President, to stop Barak Obama being elected president of the United States."
http://www.ruvr.ru/main.php?lng=eng&q=22513&cid=48&p=05.02.2008
August 15, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
An unprovoked personal attack? Come on SFCWallace, you are better than that.... Or maybe you aren't.
August 15, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
He isn't.
August 15, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not an attack at all...she's the designated Rove/Cheney hate the world rep...I just thought it was interesting that "The Voice of Russia's" press release could have easliy appeard unopposed in a post here...probably recieved a few Kudos.
August 15, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you don't hate Cheney? The man himself is evil.
August 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course I don't hate him and he's not "evil." You may disagree with his policies and politics but does that make him "evil?"
August 15, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do think that Cheney is evil, for having worked to help disseminate lies about weapons of mass destruction, to draw us into a war in Iraq where over 4,000 of our brave men and women in uniform lost their lives.
That kind of manipulation is evil.
August 15, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
...do you think he was wrong about the facts or do you think he intentionally decieved? If intentional, what was the purpose? If you truely think he started a war to gain personal wealth than I understand you thinking he's evil, but think you have serious "perception of reality" issues.
August 15, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think he intentionally deceived the American populace in order to gain one of the oil resources in the Middle East. It's also clear that many contractors benefitted from the Iraq war:
* These companies contributed more money to the presidential campaigns of George W. Bush — more than $500,000 — than to any other politician over the last dozen years.
Most notably, one of them is KBR, the largest civilian contractor in Iraq, a subsidiary of Halliburton. KBR was covered in the news recently for cutting corners in the construction of showers on army bases--those showers had shoddy electrical work, which led to a few dozen electrocution cases of our soldiers in using these facilities.
August 15, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
So...just to clarify, you think Cheney and Bush (not to mention the many others that would have to be in on it) intentionally lied to the world, risked the lives of hundreds of thousands of soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines as well as millions of Iraquis and Afgahnis, simply to personally enrich themselves and their friends?
August 15, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
afghanistan was about national security; iraq was about theft.
August 15, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
and IMO bush possibly swallowed the neocon line as much as you did.
August 15, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
If we weren't drawn into war by outright lies then the best you might say is that there was a willing suspension of disbelief. After all, there was NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE OF WMDS!!!
Bush threatened to invade unless Saddam proved he did not have WMDs. Ever try to prove a negative?
Inspectors were inspecting until forced out of Iraq by the warning of the invasion.
Howard Dean's patriotism was being assailed because he correctly pointed out that Iraq was no threat to the US.
The Dioxie Chicks even knew going to war was a mistake.
Yet Cheney and his demonic minions insisted, fabricating whatever evidence they could through spin, outright manufacture, or self-delusion.
I believe they wanted a war and used whatever facts, fiction, or cirsumstances they could to justify it, but if I am wrong about that it is clear they at the very least abandoned their critical thinking skills.
Cheney is either evil or stupid. Or both.
August 15, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nah. They did it because they wanted to see what America looked like with unchecked executive power. The rest was just gravy.
They have proved the founding fathers right when they wrote of the dangers of arbitrary rule, and showed that their failsafes are subject to failure when arbitrary rule is cheered on by lickspittle authoritarian-lovers like you.
August 15, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, but I just finished reading "The Dark Side"....I hesitate to use an inflammatory word like "evil"...but it goes far beyond just disagreeing with man on "policy and politics".
August 15, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Haven't read it myself but I'm sure with a title like ""The Dark Side"....it was a fair and balanced report of the life and times of Mr. Cheney.
August 15, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, then, maybe you should read up on your buddy Cheney and his enforcer Addington and then decide whether or not it's fair to conclude that he's "evil".
August 15, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
And I guess we should designate you the "Must hate America if you disagree with Me" poster, huh?
August 15, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think I've ever accussed anyone here of hating America.
August 15, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you are parroting the Republican Party line, that's part of the message. Comes with the territory.
August 15, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your true feelings revealed.
August 15, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Your true feelings revealed." If you think that I feel the accusation that Cheney set up the Russian conflit with Georgia to hurt Obama would be widely accepted as reasonable here then yes...guilty as charged.
August 15, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, which indicates that you think commenters here are gullible tools, unable to think critically about issues.
So if someone disagrees with you, it's not because they've thought about the issue in detail, it's because they'll believe anything.
August 15, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
"So if someone disagrees with you, it's not because they've thought about the issue in detail, it's because they'll believe anything."
Hello! Kettle!!! This is the Pot!!! It's getting really dark in here!!! Would you like a list?
August 15, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excuse me?
I'm not the one claiming that the ridiculous claims about Cheney and Georgia would be believed and applauded by people here.
Nor am I the one implying that you, SFC, are gullible and lack the ability to think critically.
So what's this with pot meeting kettle? You talking to me?
August 15, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not you presonally however a brief glance up the thread and I'm sure you'll find "Parrot" "Limbaught""Party Line" or "Talking Points" assigned to many of my comments, simply because they are not the "TPM" party line. So tell me that the thought that Cheney would set up a sittuation where Russia invades Georgia to hurt Obama's election chances would be laughed off the page here and I'll retract everything I've said and apologize profusely.
August 15, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see commenters engaging with you.
I see one mention of Republican talking points.
And furthermore, in other threads, every time some one has labeled you a "troll", multiple people jump in and defend you.
But I guess that just means we're a bunch of gullible tools, unable to think critically.
August 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are actually quite a few critical thinkers in the bunch. You should count yourself amongst them. However, there are also a bunch of "Tin foil hatters" who think Bush and Cheney set off a controlled demolition to bring down the World Trade Center after warning the Jews to stay home. Sometimes the latter appear to out number the former.
August 15, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like arguing with you, SFC, and I understand the tin foil hat reference, because I feel at times (particularly in any discussion of Hillary Clinton) that there is some tin foil hattery that goes on.
But I have to say that I've never seen any poster here argue that Bush and Cheney were responsible for 9/11. Responsible for a lot of other crap, but not 9/11. And I'm surprised you make that claim.
August 15, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have been on here a long time...you used to be able to go back through your entire history of posts...there were some back then that would even get you thinking about investing in tin foil futures. You have been nothing but civil with me in 99.9% of our discussions (there've been one or two when I know you were cursing under your breath while typing) and I thank you for that and I certainly meant no offense towards you.
August 15, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have a groovy weekend, dude.
August 15, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Check...you too.
August 15, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like Jerome Corsi?
August 15, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Zzzzzzzing.
August 15, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't believe Cheney or Bush engineered the collapse of the twin towers, but I do believe the neocons engineered an entirely inappropriate response to it in the invasion of Iran.
August 15, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're far better than that for ad hominem attacks. Hussein Tena is a long-time commentator here, and you shouldn't be attacking her like that.
August 15, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Frankly, I don't believe it is McCain's responsibility to condemn Corsi's book at all.
First of all, many Americans, including myself, have had these questions about Obama for a long time and we have a right in a free country to read, write about, and research these claims.
Obama has continued to make it very hard to really know who he is outside of the rhetoric of hope and change. Consequently, I appreciate having information to at least research.
I am surprised by the people who just accept Obama WITHOUT fully researching him just assuming that ALL of the claims being made are false.
POTUS is too important a position to have blind faith in any candidate IMO.
Lori :)
August 15, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
How many points is this point worth on the McSpam scale?
August 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't respond to snipe.
August 15, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
You just did.
August 15, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, Lori. The press has found MANY lies in Corsi's book. You shouldn't be taking Corsi's book at face value, given that Corsi is a reprehensible bigot who has attacked my Catholic faith.
August 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too funny.
You appreciate having information at least to research? Have you been living in a cave for the last year or so?
"We have a right in a free country to read, write about, and research these claims". True. So why do you believe Corsi? You must not have read, written or researched his claims, at all.
Talk about blindly accepting something without researching it.
August 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
And just one other question: why don't you refer to Obama in your customary manner?
August 15, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Want to find out more about Obama? Try his Web site (http://www.barackobama.com/index.php) and the two books he has written for starters. He's hiding in plain sight.
August 15, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
you're right. Obama has been very secretive about who he is and what he wants to do with the country.
after all, he only wrote two best selling memoirs about his life, and he has another book coming out in the fall.
this secrecy must not stand!
August 15, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can write a book about myself and say I'm Marilyn Monroe reincarnate. Doesn't make it true.
August 15, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Important questions no doubt, like why does Obama hate America because he doesn't wear a flag pin?
August 15, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dear LoriInMo,
Please point out one thing -- anything -- in either of Sen. Obama's books that is analagous to claiming that you are the reincarnation of Marilyn Monroe.
Here's some evidence that John McCain is not always what he claims to be:
http://www.alternet.org/election08/88101/
But the real issue in this campaign is -- or should be -- policy differences. McCain's policies are very close to those of Pres. Bush. Sen. Obama's are not. And I want the Democratic Party to have control of cleaning up the messes created by the Bush administration at the DoJ, the Treasury Dept, the EPA, etc., not to mention handling appointments to the Supreme Court, which currently has SEVEN justices who were appointed by Republican presidents.
August 15, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
right....but a discredited LIAR writes a book claiming obama's on drugs and a muslim and a communist and you take his word for it...
August 15, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, but you can't use the term "Osamaland" in previous posts and then expect to have any sort of credibility around here.
August 15, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
So I read where John McCain called his wife a c***t.
So that must be true too since it was written in a book.
Or at the VERY least, I should have some concern about how John McCain treats women since he DID run out on his first wife several times; and then cheated on her with Cindy while he was STILL married to his first wife.
August 15, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you truly enjoy that nice t-shirt you'll get when you redeem your points from the McCain campaign.
And good luck on your "research."
August 15, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have found it very easy to find out just about everything I could possibly want to know about Obama. I know a lot more about him than I do John McCain. You claim Obama has made it hard for you to know about him. Explain.
August 15, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't get the "we don't know much about Obama" meme. On what basis do you say he's made it hard to know things about him? The guy's written two self-penned, best-selling books about himself, both of which are rich in personal detail. You can't assess somebody by their rhetorical content alone.
I feel the exact opposite about McCain - that he uses a few well-known biographical facts to stand in for the man.
August 15, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, publishing is a tough business and a lot of low level editorial staff, especially for hack publishers, are given stupid jobs. Is that your excuse? You're being paid to run around the net posing as a thoughtful voter?
Of all the legitimate information out there anyone who seeks out garbage like this should just come over and look through my trash because the wrappers at the bottom of the can have as much pertinent information as anything a bigot like Corsi has spewed.
Seriously, if you want to pretend to be a person so worried about who will be the next president choose better sources to educate yourself. Try for once taking the high road or just stay away from the voting booth. We've had enough of the ignorant people running the country.
Sad, so sad.
August 15, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's McCain's fall back answer "We're having fun with our campaign", "have a sense of humor and get a life". His response here makes absolutely zero sense. Is Barack supposed to laugh off personal attacks? Why didn't McCain laugh off when he was accused of having an affair with a Lobbyist? Why didn't he laugh it off when Wes Clark rightly questioned his credentials to lead?
McCain is getting slimier and slimier every day.
August 15, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is McCain keeping his sense of humor about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Oot9IbQxrI
August 15, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is Keith Olberman narrating that?
August 15, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
it's not olbermann.
August 15, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought it sounded like him at times...
August 15, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
apples and oranges. the stuff in that video is true.
August 15, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain = loose cannon. And not just on peripheral stuff like this.
I hope someone asks whether he agrees with his fellow loose cannon (Shaakashvili) that the Russians are barbarians.
August 15, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Gotta keep your sense of humor" about getting smeared with crazy lies in a book pushed a top the best seller list with bulk buys from right wing groups? A book published by long-time GOP operative Mary Matalin, who defended it as "scholarly".
Why didn't McCain laugh it off when he was accused of having an affair with lobbyist Vicki Iseman? Why didn't he laugh it off when Wes Clark rightly challenged his credentials to lead? Why didn't he laugh off the South Carolina smears that attacked his wife and daughter and questioned his sanity because of his stay as a POW? McCain found that so odorous that he almost left the Republican party because of it.
McCain condemned the swift-boating book in 2004 when it was used against Kerry? What has changed? Is McCain willing to sell out his honor and morals for any political gain?
August 15, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
This response is perfectly in keeping with McCain's character. If only he'd said it in front of a green screen with that shit-eating grin we're so familiar with and creepy giggle...
The real McCain - behold and do NOT avert your eyes, MSM.
August 15, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Shit-eating grin" -- HAHA! You've outdone yourself, Carol. That was hilarious. And by Allah, so freakin' true.
August 15, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
:) Can't you just picture it? With that freaky green behind him? What a creep.
August 15, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I realize that Corsi is anything but an open minded journalist. In fact, in many ways he is a joke considering much of what I've learned about his past comments/writings.
That being said, I think there is some truth in some of the many claims. As you said, much of this has been around since 2006/07. Corsi is far from the only one to report these concerns.
Honestly, don't any of you have concerns about ANY of the Obama issues that have been presented?
Also, many of the denials in the 40 pages to Corsi's claims are merely reports from Chicago newspapers. That's not particularly comforting to me.
Lori:)
August 15, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
C'mon, Lori. Why aren't you calling him "Osama", as you usually do?
And what's the truth in "many of the claims"?
August 15, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
it's like a friend of mine (a HUGE repub) from missouri said one time: "People from Missouri are, for the most part, fucking retarded".
August 15, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, you're much more likely to give credence to Corsi's footnotes and citations....which are in many cases, his own web postings.
August 15, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've always been curious about something and I hope you can help me out. What kind of food does a troll eat? Are you like an omnivore or do you feed exclusively on ignorance?
I've heard rumors, but I figured I should just go to the source and get a straight answer....
August 15, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
They eat their young and the futures of the young.
August 15, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why, of course I am concerned! I am SO concerned about Michelle Obama saying Whitey on tape, oh noez! I am SO concerned that she hates America, as does her husband because we all know if you ex-pastor says goddamn America once in 20 years, that means that Obama agrees 100% too! I am SO concerned about Larry Sinclair's allegations that he and Obama are on the downlow, doing coke in hotels and limos because I read it on a right wing blog, so it MUST BE TRUE!
August 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's reasonable. Since I, and I'm sure others here, are certainly NOT going to spend money and make it appear that there is even more support for Corsi's book and since you "appreciate having information to at least research" and obviously don't mind supporting Corsi and the book, how about you list -- one at a time even -- the issues that you find to be of concern, or at least worth looking at further, and we'll help you with the research?
This isn't a snarky suggestion, by the way. In my world, anyway, asking a question is never a bad thing to do --- it's either a good question and worthy of discussion or a dumb one and therefore easily answered. And if someone thinks a question is dumb but **can't** answer it (or explain why it's too dumb to answer), then maybe they should have been the one asking the questions.
So it's a serious invitation - from me, anyway. Post one of the Corsi charges that cause you concern and let's discuss it. If it's one to which Obama's campaign has responded, I'm sure someone will post that as well and we can sort out whether it was a satisfactory response or not.
Interested? Reader posts move on and off the list pretty fast, but I'll look for your name as one of the posters.
August 15, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ahhh ... so you "think there's some truth" to Corsi's claims, huh?
Please tell us which ones. Really. And explain your conclusions. Inquiring minds want to see your sources and analysis, since they are no doubt excellent.
BTW -- did you hear that John McCain fathered a black child out of wedlock? Granted, the people who said this back in 2000 are a little bit shady ... well, actually, they are the same people behind this Obama book. But there might be some truth to the rumor! McCain's denials just don't seem credible to me. What's he got to hide, anyway?
August 15, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
In McCain's world there are three types of messages: positive, negative, and fun.
I couldn't believe it when i heard him say in a NPR interview earlier this week that his campaign has not run any negative messages (in response to a question about a story in the WSJ quoting Schmidt as saying every successful campaign needs one good positive message and one negative message). Of course, the NPR interviewer only brought up the Hilton ad, which he said was fun, and then off they were on another topic.
August 15, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny, he didn't seem to have much of a sense of humor when Bush suggested he fathered a black baby. Guess some things just aren't funny to the VC war hero.
August 15, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why can the McCain camp ask "Is he ready to lead?" in every attack ad against Obama but when Wesley Clark questioned McCain's credentials to lead the GOP attack machine came out in full force?
August 15, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Gotta keep you sense of humor"?
"Gotta keep you sense of humor"?
Whatever McCain used to be no longer exists. McCain of 2008 is contemptable.
August 15, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is an ad poking fun at McCain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Oot9IbQxrI
Where is your sense of humor, John?
August 15, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Obama needs to get his top surrogates out there slamming McCain for this kind of flip-flopping. Policy flip-flopping is one thing, but I find character flip-flopping despicable. There are reasons and explanations for why someone would change their opinion on a certain policy, such as Obama did with the gas tax holiday. But when it comes to a person's character, it's a huge deal.
McCain promised to run a civil campaign. McCain condemned these kinds of attacks in 2004. But now, he's perfectly fine with them. It's absolutely disgusting. The fact that he considers it "fun" is even worse. If I ever had an ounce of respect for that man, it's now gone. Completely gone. And good riddance to bad rubbish.
August 15, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a patriot, I think John knows how dangerous an Obama presidency would be for the country. He needs Americans to begin to educate themselves on the real BHO before it's too late.
I think Americans are starting to see the light as the GDTP is 44%-44%.
Lori :)
August 15, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, LoMO, have you received that First Edition of "My Pet Goat" from the McCain Campaign yet?
August 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
How dangerous would Obama be to this country? Really, please enlighten me with your talk radio stereotypes of what he would do, besides enslave the white race and tax millionaires into oblivion?
August 15, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
How the hell is that even a response to what I wrote? Epic. Fail. Go back to your cave, troll.
August 15, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
HEY EVERYBODY!!!
Gallup Daily Tracking poll puts the race at 44% to 44%!!!!
John just keeps on keepin' on!
Lori :)
August 15, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ignore the polls...please.
August 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
No short term memory, huh?
That's got to be tough.
The best McCain can do, after weeks of negative ads, and boatloads of free publicity, after 8 days of Obama being quiet, is a tie.
Yes, definitely grounds for claiming that "John just keeps on keepin' on".
Your fascination with Corso makes more sense now.
August 15, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
You must be getting close to winning the McCain Steak Knives....
August 15, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think Lori's allowed any sharp objects...
August 15, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lori Lori Lori,
Any chance you'll be signing your little troll messages with a frown :( in a few months? I think so. But just keep on dotting your "i's" with little hearts.
Seriously Lori, exactly how deeply undercover are you with the McCain camp? Are you on the bus trying to keep a wireless connection as you post these inane statements? Watch out, overpass coming so you might not see...............
August 15, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah yes, I recall how John had a great big belly laugh over the push-polling smears in South Carolina back in 2000. Funny stuff.
And, when a bunch of right-wing vets called him a traitor and said his time as a POW made him unfit for command, he was just ROTFLHAO.
Barack's got his work cut out for him. He's going to have to debate two John McCains at the same time.
August 15, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, I guess when the liberal 527's go after McCain's military record and the relationship between he and his first wife---I assume McCain won't mind when Obama say, "Gotta keep you sense of humor"?
August 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
CORSI went out for Obama in this case. NOT McCain. Come on now, lets try to pay attention!
August 15, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
And yet, all the PUMA deadenders insist that one of the things fueling their rightous rage is how Obama didn't stop the MSM from making sexist comments about poor defenseless Hillary. Funny how that works.
August 15, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Corsi is far from the only one to report these concerns."
Unsubstantiated anonymous internet chatter doesn't count as "reporting" anything.
LoriInMo, you have to realize the conservative movement asks of its followers that they willingly shut off their higher reason and play dumb. Don't you have more self respect than to give in to that?
The organized conservative movement USES people who are willing to believe this stuff. Corsi himself has admitted he doesn't believe it. So what does that say about you that you're more willing to believe the product he produces than he is?
August 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama campaign should be recruiting the 527's to go after McCain.
August 15, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see commenters engaging with you.
I see one mention of Republican talking points.
And furthermore, in other threads, every time some one has labeled you a "troll", multiple people jump in and defend you.
But I guess that just means we're a bunch of gullible tools, unable to think critically.
August 15, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
D'oh. Reseponse to SFC above.
August 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain fathered illegitimate children. He's a bitter old man with a nasty temper. He's a warmonger who wants to start a war with Russia. He will give billions in tax breaks to oil companies and the richest. He married Cindy McCain for her money and is actually secretly a Satanist. He was born in Panama and actually has allegiance to that country. He continually cheats on taxes, and he actually was not a POW.
Hey! Have a sense of humor! It's humor! Relax and enjoy it!
August 15, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
2 brief thoughts:
His only prayer of winning is smear, smear and then smear. (. It's remarkable that a proven liar can get up and then make up more complete nonsense and -still- get media reception. Meet your liberal media. ). McCain is not going to condemn any of this.
There is nothing that the Rove merchants feared more than Wes Clark attacking McCain's military judgment. He should not have been muzzled. First, Clark was right. Second, as the last few days have demonstrated, if McCain were president we'd be at war again. Somehow. Note to Obama: go after your opponent's strength and take it away.
August 15, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Going after McCain on his strengths is the exact reason why Clark would be such a strong VP pick. Alas, I really do believe the Bayh hype. For whatever reason, it seems Obama would rather give up a Senate seat (Bayh's, that is) and take on an unreconstructed war supporter than go with the four-star general who will be able to bring the fight to McCain on military and foreign policy.
August 15, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
And yes, I am well aware that the phrase in question is just Greg's take on what's going on here. But intentionally or unintentionally, I think it captures an important truth about the dynamic of this campaign. The Obama camp has seemingly fallen into the trap of believing its own hype about leaving the old style of attack politics behind, and about transcending partisanship. They really are more comfortable talking about how great their candidate is than they are in talking about how dangerous and unhinged John McCain is. If they don't get over that, they'll be needlessly handing McCain the initiative for the balance of the campaign, because his campaign team has absolutely no problem airing the kind of vicious, untrue attack that grab headlines. I still doubt even that will be enough to give McCain the election, but is there some good reason to take that chance that I'm missing?
August 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, he could also accuse someone of being a racist again.
Oh, never mind, that didn't work too good did it?
August 15, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, he also didn't do that. I know it won't penetrate your thick, cretinous Republican brain, but he did not. Not even at the height of the race-baiting from the Clinton campaign surrogates in February--he mostly left it to the blogs to point out how obviously racist that stuff was.
But by all means, since I'm sure you have many specific facts to support your case--show me the place where Barack Obama or his authorized campaign surrogates accused a political opponent of being a racist. Please! I'm waiting with bated breath.
August 15, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Obama faces a similar challenge to that of the primary season. If he attacks McCain on personal grounds, it could be treated as attacking a genuine bonafide American hero.
That's obviously how McCain's campaign would spin it, and the media shows little sign of being over the massive McCain Crush it seems to have, and therefore, would help along that theme.
Similar to the dynamic in the primaries. Obama couldn't be perceived as "attacking" Hillary Clinton, because then it would become part of that larger theme of "Everyone is ganging up on Hillary" that was, to some extent, pretty effective.
I also hope, though, that the lack of negative national ads NOW doesn't foreshadow no negative national ads in the future.
If you can work your way through that grammatically tortured sentence.
August 15, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
People also had a vague notion that it would be tough to attack John Kerry directly, because of his record of honorable military service. Didn't stop the Republicans. Some speculated it might be difficult for the Republicans to go after Obama directly, because he's black and because he's a genuinely compelling figure. Hasn't stopped the Republicans. Maybe these vague concerns about how it's impossible to successfully attack John McCain would prove similarly unfounded in the face of a sustained attack on John McCain. Obama's campaign will never know unless it tries, and this is the time to start. (Actually, a couple weeks ago was the time to start.)
Democrats are awfully media shy. They constantly worry their attacks will backfire because the media will cast them in an unflattering light, and take the Republicans' side. I don't particularly buy it. The pattern I see is that the media just reports attacks. That's all. Not very complicated. They rarely even do much contextualization, unless the attack is blatantly dishonest (e.g. the "Obama didn't visit the troops" line). Throw some attacks out there, they'll get publicized because conflict, contempt, and partisan warfare make excellent copy. I think Democrats might be genuinely surprised how well you can do in politics when you toss your sense of decency and decorum out the window and start slinging some mud at your opponent.
August 15, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, part of me say "Go for it!"--start slinging that mud, Dems! I think you're correct in that the media just reports attacks, but given the whole "He's playing the race card" flapdoodle, I'd say that the media is also biased to start repeating attack lines of Republicans far more quickly than they report attack lines of Democrats. Joe Biden's classic "a noun, a verb, and 9/11" really didn't get much play outside of the blogsphere. It should have.
So I guess I'd moderate that to "Go for it, Dems, but be prepared for an immediate backlash that doesn't exist when it's a Republican attacking".
On the other hand, I really disagree with the simpleminded approach of soundbites that pretty much mischaracterize your opponent. I don't think it's healthy in the long run.
What's certainly not healthy is John McCain in the White House. I'm uncomfortable with the "ends justify the means" sort of thinking that makes Swiftboating possible, though.
August 15, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
CT Voter
I think considering Obama was suppose to have a HUGE lead right now, as other Dem's have in the past in August, a tie = a win!!!!
August 15, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
And how'd that work out for those other Dem's? I guess we'll go ask President Kerry.
August 15, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL! Exactly!
August 15, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
You really are a little slow, aren't you?
August 15, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, some historical evidence for the claim that "other Dems" (presumably unsuccessful ones, because a Dem who had a huge lead in August and then went on to win doesn't really support or undermine your case) have had huge leads in August, other than a single poll from 1988? No? Just gonna assert it and move on? Ok.
I'll just echo Matt Yglesias here: in a sane universe, the fact that Obama maintains a modest but real lead in the polls would count as a good thing, not a bad thing. And the fact that objective political circumstances are in Obama's favor would count as evidence that this lead is unlikely to dissipate over time. So I guess we may very well see if Obama resents winning by "only" a couple of points in November.
August 15, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can you link to the pundit, columnist, political writer, reporter, whatever that opined Obama was supposed to have a "HUGE LEAD" right now?
I'll wait.
And in the meantime, here's some evidence you might want to consider about the HUGE LEAD other Dems have had in the past:
Real Clear Politics 2004 Polls
August 15, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure you've heard this said many times in various media just as we all have. The belief is that with a supposedly bad economy, the Iraq war, and Bush's negatives, this is the Dem's year and the polls should be showing it with HUGE leads for the Dems.
I can say I've heard/read it hundreds of times on cable news, in RCP articles, etc... and I'm sure you have too. The Dems were ahead this time in 2000 and 2004 even w/o all of the supposed negatives for Republicans.
Like you, I have also perused alot of the polling from years past on various sites such and read articles on it.
August 15, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've heard people say "Obama should be ahead by a much larger margin", and point to the economy, Iraq, etc, without ever acknowledging that this particular candidate might face obstacles that the typical Democratic or Republican candidate would face.
So in a hypothetical universe, a hypothetical Democratic candidate might have a larger lead. In reality-land, where I live, I never subscribed to that.
August 15, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cable news pundits are stupid, stupid people, by and large. There are no qualifications for the job of cable news pundit, other than lots of opinions and a healthy set of vocal cords.
You're right. Pundits predicted a huge lead. Pundits' opinions aren't based on anything. Actual scholarly models, taking into account verifiable factors for a large set of elections, predict an Obama victory, and are agnostic about the margin of victory. They just say it's really likely to happen. Whether it happens by .1% or 15% isn't something models are generally calibrated to predict, because in the final analysis that doesn't matter very much.
Again, Obama holds a lead. The objective political conditions are favorable to him. That makes it less likely that his lead will dissipate due to transient political attacks. Obama is, statistically speaking, the favorite to win this election, regardless of where he is performing against pundits' arbitrary and ill-informed expectations to this point.
August 15, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://pollster.com/
284 to 169? That's a pretty commanding lead for a Indonesian-African-American black muslim communist hula-dancer candidate whose wife is out to get whitey. That someone as unlikely as Obama is leading tby this much ought to tell you something about how retarded the GOP is.
August 15, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I get the feeling with this guy that his moral compass just keeps spinning in circles unable to find any direction and stick with it. He's lost. Completely lost. Now whether he's always been lost or age is becoming a problem, who knows. But this man has no functioning moral compass. We've already had a "leader" like this who due to his wealth and family status was never required to even look at a compass. We can't afford even one more day of this immoral behavior. Go home Johnny. Just go home. We don't want you playing in our sandbox anymore!
August 15, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since he's in our sandbox for a little while longer, I think it will be interesting to see exactly what he says to the "moral compass" questions he gets on Saturday by Warren. He's not going to have his handlers there to "whisk him away."
August 15, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
They need to tie this into questions about McCain's judgement. Statement should read something like - "John McCain thinks untrue character assasinations are funny. I think this is a perfect example of his judgement. In fact, this is the same man that believes singing about bombing Iran and telling jokes about the appearance of a first daughter are also funny."
August 15, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jerome Corsi is the same slim ball who trashed McCain years ago, but McShame finds this clown amusing.
August 15, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Audio of the Corsi interview on CNN is here:
http://www.entertonement.com/collections/2088/Jerome-Corsi
August 15, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
They should also tie his response back to Bush. "Just like Bush, McCain refuses to condemn the false smears against his opponent."
August 15, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, if they were false that might work but.....
August 15, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, then why doesn't McCain say the claim that he called his a wife a c**t a lie?
If he doesn't, then that MUST mean they're true then?
And do we really want a man with such a short temper whould call his SECOND wife such a name as president?
August 15, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Probably just a joke. Gotta have a sense of humor & cut all the PC stuff IMO.
August 15, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alright LoriInMo, next time I call a woman a "c**t" and she gets offended, I'll just tell her to get a sense of humor how about that?
August 15, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
BTW, LoriInMo, I think you're a trollish c**t.
Don't get mad now. Gotta have a sense of humor and all.
August 15, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Truly, no effect.
However, there are some women who get reallllly upset w/ that word so be careful!
:)
August 15, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not your wife so there is the difference. Having said that, what you call me has no effect on me. Truly! C@nt is just a word IMO. I know who I am.
'Gotta have a sense of humor" J. McCain
:)
August 15, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, if you reread the posts you may discover that you are actually the fu@ktard!
:)
August 15, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Corsi's book is just another piece of
Republican Wet Dream Fiction. Corsi is a
jackauthor and Mary Matalin is a publicker
of jackauthors and Republican Wet Dream Fiction.
August 15, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hah-ha, yeah, that "Obama Nation" was a real knee-slapper!
If McCain liked that one, he'll just love this one...John McCain is a cross-dressing, pedophile cannibal who is secretly the high priest of a Satanic cult and collaborated with North Vietnam in exchange for special privileges during his time as a POW!
Lol! Ain't it funny?
August 15, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
....who fathered a black child?
August 15, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama
August 15, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
They shouldn't say "Lied about 9/11". After all, the government did take some steps to cover up their own incompetence. They should say that he's a 9/11 conspiracy theorist. Make sure people understand he's not just critical of the governments story, he actually believes that bombs were planted in the building before the attack.
August 15, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Notice the three times McCain used the GOP Outrage Machine - Lobbyist Vicki Iseman affair story, Wesley Clark challenging McCain's credentials to lead and the "Race Card" issue.
I think this is actually a tip off where McCain is most vulnerable.
Lobbyists
Affairs on first wife, probably others on Cindy
Puffed up credentials that go unchallenged
Race (voted against MLK holiday, Confederate Flag issue)
August 15, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jonze
Is that the best you got?
Lobbyists: They all do. McCain just admits it while others try to hide it.
Affairs: Old news. 30+ years ago. Jeez! Still friends w/ his ex.
Race: Obama already has the AA vote so big deal plus he is not a racist. Has a black adopted daughter and even Dems he knows & works w/ say that is a ridiculous claim.
Puffed up credentials: Possibly....if you could find someone who has been through what (or more of) he's been through plus his additional sevice to country) to challenge him.
I can't think of anyone with that fits that American hero requirement at all, much less one who would sh!t on McCain w/ a false claim.
August 15, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jonze?
I think you might have nailed it.
August 15, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not a racist. Some of my best daughters are black.
August 15, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you take that same position on his war service?
August 15, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, the American hero whose daddy got him and kept him in West Point, where he was fifth to last in a class of almost 900. The American hero whose daddy pulled more strings for junior to fly planes when he clearly wasn't ready, which is why he got shot down in the first place. The American hero who ditches his wife for some younger rich bitch, who later helped fund his campaigning into the political realm. The American hero who tries to tar the other guy as an elitist, yet McCain has 10 homes and buys his little girl a $400K condo to go to ASU, because he's just a regular guy like the rest of us.
August 15, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't care if there have been recent affairs. I just don't want to hear about that. The wrinkled ass; the shriveled up testicles; that gray, thinning pubic patch and its tiny protrusion; and the dingleberries left over from where he crapped his pants? The mental image is simply too nauseating.
August 15, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd love to see Obama during the debate just declare the following out of the blue:
I was not old enough to have served in Vietnam but serving in the military is not the only way to serving our great nation and I stand by my record of working to development communities and improve the lives of ordinary working Americans.
However, I think America would agree with me that it would be a breath of fresh air to have a president who can truthfully make the following declarations:
- I have never been unfaithful to my wife.
- I supported the creation of a national holiday to celebrate the contribution of a great American named MLK.
- I do not now nor have I ever had lobbyists running my campaign for president.
I stand here today and ask my opponent if he can say the same statements would be true if applied to him?
August 15, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to Ben Smith, a McSame spokeslady says that Mr. McSame did not hear the question.
No joke. I couldn't make this shit up if I tried.
August 15, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
And if the Obama campaign was smart they would ignore McCain's "I didn't hear the question", and keep hammering away.
August 15, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
In all fairess, John McCain's heroics are even older news than his affairs. If you discount the one, you have to discount the other.
August 15, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about a dirty laundry list of all McFools marital misadventures, flips and flops, crude jokes,
and arrogant lies and then ask:
Just who does Ol' John mean when he says "Gotta keep a sense of humor"?
Certainly not you or me because it's just not very funny.
August 15, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
HAHAHA. I Knew It!
John McCain is running for Last Comic Standing not POTUS!
Can we get tim conway to play mccain in the made for tv movie next year ala ensign parker?
August 15, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was listening to Corsi this morning who mentioned that "Obama Nation" was intentionally titled to phonetically sound like "Abomination."
Sweet!
LoriInMo: you may want to review your "Lobbyists: They all do..." remark. McCain initially spoke about his lack of lobbyists and now the counts are almost 50 lobbyists/ties to lobbyists are in his camp. Ones tied to the current Georgia-Russia conflict (see .
"Affairs" are not old news when commentary asserts that Edwards would not be fit to be President for breaking his vows and same commentators will defend McCain's affair with either your comment or "He was a POW for 5 years!"
The Obama camp came out with a 40-page rebuttal of "Obama Nation." Not 40 words, 40 pages. Some are minor in nature, some are not.
Here is a minor but telling example:
LIE: “The year 1995 was a banner one for Obama. He had just married Michelle and the couple bought a Hyde Park condo, the first home Obama ever owned.”[p 145]
REALITY: OBAMAS MARRIED IN 1992 AND BOUGHT A CONDO IN 1993
10/3/92 Obama And Michelle Robinson Were Married. [Chicago Sun-Times, 10/3/07]
1993 Obama Bought a Condo for $277,550. [Chicago Sun-Times, 1/22/06]
Again, minor, but if you cannot get dates like that right, how am I to trust the rest of the facts when very, very minor details are 2-3 years off AND the author's below self-admitted goal.
But Corsi's defense of "I'm not asserting it's true, just putting it out there..." does not hold water. The self-admitted goal of his book is to make certain Obama is not elected. Peruse NPR podcasts of today/yesterday for verification.
If you would like some McCain information, search the Phoenix "New Times" (8/7/08) for an article by Amy Silverman.
Finally, Corsi's book is not being debunked solely by Liberals, Dems, Hippies, SFValues people and the like. Conservatives are also panning this book for its lies/misrepresentations.
Oh, and Cheney is evil. Don't you watch "Li'l Bush"?
August 15, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Gotta Keep Your Sense Of Humor"
Explains how McGoo could hug a man who viciously attacked his daughter.
August 15, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously. I lost what little respect I had for the man at that point. A proper (and understandable) response would have been to sucker punch him and then explain that any one else who attacks his daughter would get the same. Might have won in 2000 had he done that.
Where's the courage and principle? I can't respect a man who won't defend his family. If he won't do that how can I trust him to defend the country??
Why does John McCain hate America?
August 15, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll bet McCain thought this was hilarious too:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/2008-01-16_anti-mccain_smear_flier.jpg
August 15, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just like his first wife kept her sense of humor?
August 15, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.truthfightsback.com/mccaincorsi
Take a moment from your blogging and email your local newspapers...follow the link from J.Kerry's site above! Just takes about 2 minutes - I have already received response from one paper! This is very well laid out and put together!
FIGHT THE SMEARS!!!!
August 15, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't question McCain's patriotism. I don't question that he suffered at the hands of his tormentors in Vietnam. But I do question his ability to make thoughtful decisions and wonder if he didn't sustain some serious mental problems from those years as a POW. You don't walk away from something like that unscathed and his behavior is that of a war monger hungry for a fight. He still wants to get even. I still think he escapes to those dark places in his mind too often and it's like the 9000 lb. gorilla in the room. The question never asked of him, is he mentally stable? Legit question that never seems to be asked. He's wrapped so tightly in the flag by the media and it's become impenetrable. Hero? Yes. But also possibly mentally unbalanced.
August 15, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I cannot believe George Bush and his handlers would insinuate that i had an out-of-wedlock biracial child from an affair simply to win an election"
Gotta keep your sense of humor, you hypocritical, slimy piece of shit.
As someone who, as an 18 year old, would have voted for McCain over Gore in 2000 had he been nominated, let me say: you are a fucking disgrace, mccain; a real joke.
August 15, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Gotta have a sense of Humor" is turning out to be the go to line for the McCain campaign when the proverbial dirt is being shoveled. Remember there was a lot of "Humor" in America's history.
Lieberman used it, Graham used it, and now McCain himself... They believe what you don't know won't hurt you. This is a "Classic" American response to things they don't want to acknowledge because in doing so, they would have to assume some responsibility for their surrogate’s actions.
You know when the teacher calls your house to let you know how bad your kid is in school and you side step the true issue to diminish the actions of your child.
We know how this works and it is weak, juvenile, and requires addressing. But, that will never happen because it will force this country to really reflect on its own responsibilities and Americans will realize how far this country needs to go. We will then realize how "GREAT" we are and our "MAGNIFICENT" history.
But, you don't have to care because many of us live in our own worlds, anyway. Hence, the response to 9/11, whodda thunk it??????
August 15, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh please, please, somebody call his mother and tell her his level of humor is unbecoming a presidential candidate. He's just so juvenile. He got to twelve year old boy and stopped maturing. Sex jokes, fighting, trashing others to build up his image, sending legions of other little followers out to do his bullying. I only wish one of his teachers would call his mom, but alas I'm sure they're all dead.
August 15, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
He made an infamous rape joke too. Google "McCain rape joke" for details.
August 15, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. We need a sense of humor about stuff like this. Thanks Johnny for the tip.
Top Cop Says McCain Was Never Tortured
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/020708_never_tortured.htm
Luck Of The Admiral's Son Not For "Grunts"
http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm
All in good fun!!!! Ha ha ha. Spread the humor!
August 15, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
More hilarity!!!
Songbird Johnny McCain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvXEsW4Fgg
Any funny books on this topic?
August 15, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can we all finally dispense with the notion that McCain is a good guy? Truth be told he is an awful guy who is foul tempered, angry, bitter and out of touch. McCain lacks character, judgment honor and of course a sense of humor. The McCain of 200 would punch out the McCain 2008.
Keep suckling on Rove and Bush
August 15, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
If only the media were to understand this. But then the big media has no backbone. Otherwise they would have mentioned years ago that Rove looks like a pimple ready to burst and that maybe he wasn't a good source of truth. And now he advises McCain's legions. Same ol', same ol'.
Move on. Nothing to see.
August 15, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not a surprise. McCain revealed himself as a low-life long ago.
August 15, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
As someone who has had a modest career in general book publishing,I am particularly distressed and close to sickened by what once was a distinguished American book publishing company, Simon & Schuster, allowing its imprint to be used, even at one remove, to validate a piece of dishonest trash like the Corsi book. There really once was a time when a reputable publisher's imprint brought with it an assurance of at least a minimal standard of veracity. But I'm an old man. DanJL
August 15, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
McBush's either:
McBush: "Eh, what's that you said, sonny?"
Going deaf.
Or:
a liar.
Make that both. LOL
August 15, 2008 11:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Corsi is published by Threshold. Threshold is an imprint of Simon & Schuster. Simon & Schuster is owned by CBS. This book is good for the CBS bottom line. I don't personally watch CBS news because it's on during my dinner time and I find it difficult to see Couric and think of keeping my food down, but I'm wondering if anyone has seen any reports done by CBS about any of this. Has Corsi even graced any CBS news programs with his doughy face?
I'm just thinking he looks like the creepy uncle who shows up at Thanksgiving, pats the little nieces on their butts, farts a few times, then falls asleep in a chair while everybody talks behind his back about how much they didn't want him to show up.
Just remember to vote with your pocketbook too and keep in mind that CBS owns Showtime, CBS Records, CBS Paramount Television. What's good for the bottom line at CBS isn't necessarily good for America.
August 16, 2008 1:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
So Hussein "Oh he called me a nigger!" and Whitey Dean get to spew their race baiting trash talk but then you want McCain to defend ButtBoy Obama?
Sorry ObaBots. Given the ObaCampaign's history of lie and smear they are getting just what they deserve. With more to come! Ha ha ha!
Oh Lawdy, thank you for Dean!
What a perfect response he has provided for anyone who wants to attack Corsi's OBAMANATION!
And what oh what will the Lawn Jockey in Chief have to say?
Poor ObaBots... you have all been sucking the ObaAss so long you are choking on the ObaShit.
And it is so much fun to watch your pathetic attempts at Heimlich...
August 16, 2008 6:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
jthb--Lawn Jockey in Chief? So you're saying that Obama's going to be our next president? Whitey Dean? Glad to see you're not a racist loser.
Oh jthb, you'd be pathetic if you were'nt so inadequate.
August 16, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
The "no comment" is far worse than the "sense of humor" comment. Since McCain condemned "Unfit" four years ago when he wasn't running for President, what possible excuse can he have for not condemning the same trash monger and much worse trash in 2008 when he is running. Whatever honor McCain proved in Vietnam, he doesn't appear to have maintained it in his later years. He is not McSame. He is McWorse!
August 16, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Dem Brain (Trust?) Drain is sending delegates to Georgia? Seems to me he should stick to domestic issues. Playing right into Douchebag's hands.
On May 4, Your Boy said he'd debate anyone.
Now he's changed his mind.
Flip-flop, tick-tock.
Let Nader debate -- he'll clean Your Boy's clock. What's he afraid of?
Damn, Obama's only polling one point ahead of Ridiculous Republican Candidate, and he raked in way more corporate cash.
Nader gets 5%, and Your Boy loses. Enjoy.
August 16, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
"boy"
Where have I heard that?
August 16, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Observ2, I have some dirt on my shoulder ...
Yeah, that was taken completely out of context, and if you don't realize that, you're either brain-dead or the whitest person on this site.
I'm on the NAACP mailing list, and subscribe to Black Commentator. I studied African-American lit in grad school.
So, observ2, "Boy" in this case meant "your candidate of choice." Shouldn't have to spell it out for you, but I'll vote Republican before I let some Dem Party Doll call me a racist.
Your "Guy" brushed his shoulders off a few months back; maybe you should throw on a Jay-Z LP and "holla at your boy" instead of accusing people of using it perjoratively.
August 17, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
And even more hilarious? You're just one more Obama supporter who nose-dives into reactionary, off-topic accusations as soon as a Nader supporter brings up a real issue.
You're not alone though: Marshall himself lost it and e-mailed me a few months back to tell me that I was basically a big stupidhead for supporting Nader.
Very pithy.
August 17, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good luck trying to make McCain own this after he was the only Repub to stick up for Kerry as former military men. Obama's people complaining about McCain not attacking Corsi won't get anywhere.
August 16, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's typical...Barack Obama was slammed for being endorsed by Louis Farrakhan....an endorsement he didn't ask for and certainly didn't want. Now McCain finds humor in the likes of this scumbag. This presidential campaign has caused or should I say stirred some issues deep within each and every American citizen. What are your true feelings about racism, sexism, military service, and age when it comes to who you feel should be the next president of the United States
August 17, 2008 5:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
If McCain owned this then Obama would have to own everything the HuffPost & the Dailykos says about McCain. When it's not a source that is credible, it associates the pol with it if he comments on it. So McCain would no more comment on some distortion of Cosi's as he would discuss any crank's ideas. Similarly, Obama doesn't want to own guys like Father Fleger.
Cost offended a lot of conservatives when he got behind the anti gov't 9/11 theories. He's marginalized himself too much & this stupid book won't do a lot of damage unless it's a lot better than preview suggest.
August 17, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain would not be 'owning' Corsi's words by simply giving even a luke-warm rebuttal of him and his book. That's ridiculous... and it doesn't even make logical sense.
He's not rebutting him because he'd have to rebut everything else of similar tone as it's excreted from the Right Wing leading up to the election...
He'd have a better time joining a circular firing squad than he would setting the precedent of putting his foot down on nuts like Corsi.
August 17, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where was McCain's sense of humor when Bush and his hatchet men sliced and diced him in South Carolina during the 2000 presidential primary race? It seems to me that I remember him quite humorless and whiny.
August 18, 2008 12:09 AM | Reply | Permalink