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McCain: I'm Questioning Obama's Patriotism? Moi? Never!

Responding to Obama's demand yesterday that John McCain stop saying mean stuff questioning his patriotism, McCain himself will take up the issue today on the stump and deny that he'd ever done such a vile thing.

Here are his prepared remarks for delivery today:

Yesterday, Senator Obama got a little testy on this issue. He said that I am questioning his patriotism. Let me be clear: I am not questioning his patriotism; I am questioning his judgment. Senator Obama has made it clear that he values withdrawal from Iraq above victory in Iraq, even today with victory in sight. Over and over again, he has advocated unconditional withdrawal -- regardless of the facts on the ground. And he voted against funding for troops in combat, after saying it would be wrong to do so.

He has made these decisions not because he doesn't love America, but because he doesn't seem to understand the consequences of an American defeat in Iraq, how it would risk a wider war and threaten the security of American families.

This bears repeating a thousand times: The national press is basically giving McCain a pass on the McCain campaign's double-talk about Obama's patriotism. McCain, after all, has repeatedly said that Obama would rather lose a war than lose a campaign. McCain also said -- just this week, in fact -- that Obama's desire to lose in Iraq was driven entirely by "ambition."

And finally, the McCain campaign sent out to reporters those remarks by Joe Lieberman, in which Lieberman said Obama hasn't always put his country first. That constitutes an official campaign endorsement of Lieberman's assertion.

These facts deserve to be mentioned in every story about McCain's remarks today. But they will get scattered mention, if that.

In addition to the fact that McCain isn't being held accountable for these glaring inconsistencies in his own claims, he's also getting a pass on the assertions of his own surrogates from the very same press corps that aggressively held the Dem candidates accountable for every syllable that came out of their surrogates' mouths during the Dem primary.

The McCain campaign's double-talk on Obama's patriotism is a key feature of this campaign. That this should have entered the media narrative of this campaign at this point is undeniable. And it just hasn't in any meaningful sense. Where are the Times political memos about this? How about a "news analysis" or two on this topic?


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Grrrrrgggggghhh

Once again, Obama said "Don't hurt me cuz I'm beautiful" and McCain responded "You are beautiful but stupid".

He looks like a cat playing with a mouse. He's laughing about it. And he's always connecting every piece to his central message: Obama is not ready to lead.

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And the Obama camp will let him get away with this "I'm not questioning his patriotism" lie. They'll say, "OK. Alright. We know McCain is an honorable man and if he says we misunderstood, then OK."

Instead of saying "By saying I'm motivated by political ambition instead of what's good for the country, he not only questions my patriotism, he denies it."

I find it absolutely amazing that so many people on this blog are actually EXPECTING the media to call anyone on anything.

Like they don't know that for media it's all about catchy headlines and nothing else.

It's Obama's and his supporters job to call him out.

And I think someone downthread is offering the ONLY effective way Obama can take him on that's not vindictive or desperate. He needs to turn the tables and SHOW one McCain debating another McCain and keep hammering voters: which McCain do you think is running???

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You're right. The media isn't going to call a foul on this. They only cover what the parties are saying. So Obama has to hammer this and make the media cover it.

Also,Obama is running isn't the wrong McCain. He's trying to run against a POW/war hero. He should be running against a warmonger who's been in Congress for 26 years and has taken every position under the sun and doesn't give a crap about the middle class or veterans. That's the real McCain.

Obama has to hammer this and make the media cover it

Yes.

Lalo,

I agree with you, for a change.

He needs to turn the tables and SHOW one McCain debating another McCain and keep hammering voters: which McCain do you think is running???
I concur. Has anyone seen a YouTube (or other video) of just that; McCain debating McCain?

T'would be invaluable if something like that became viral -- and you know the MSM would play it endlessly a la Wright.

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McBush is seriously underestimating Obama.

Remember, Obama defeated Hillary and Bill - and those two are great politicians. McBush is not great, just willing to lie about anything in order to get elected.

I hope John McCain keeps questioning Obama's patriotism then clumsily denying it - it opens him up to, "There's no doubt John McCain showed bravery as a POW, too bad he doesn't have the courage to stand behind his own words.."

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Humanity,

Obama should work these words into every speech:

"John McCain is a Republican, I'm not."

I think obama should question mccain's family values and bring it back to the central message of the economy



PUMA Dorks Listen 2 Rush Limbaugh, No Wonder They’re Idiots

He was a POW (thought he would NEVER talk about that!) goddamnit! He can question the patriotism of whoever he wants!

What? You didn't know being a POW absolves you of all transgressions past, present and future?!

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HEY!!! You know McCain HATES to bring up the POW thing! Except for all of the time.... Like the three or so at Saddleback where he told us how hard it was for him to be a brave Christian POW but he's SO glad he was.
I didn't watch the post show "analysis" but I'll bet some "pundit" mentioned how McCain just hates to do this.

Notice how effectively McCain repeats his central message in his response. Obama never conveys his central message on keeping American safe.

All of us need to stop whining about tactics and get on with passionately conveying messages about economic improvements and keeping America safer than the Republicans have done.

Everyone I know is so discouraged about the Obama campaign. He is going into the Dem Convention with an absolutely poisonous atmosphere.

It is so sad to see Democrats repeat, yet again, what happened in August four years ago -- right down to the details.

I think your comment raises an interesting point. McCain's central message is about Obama. Obama's central message is . . . well that's just it. He hasn't really settled on one as far as I can tell. Or at least he hasn't distilled it down to the point where it's the first thing that comes to mind.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few weeks. My guess is that this feeds into the media narrative so well, that the media amplifies it to McCain's advantage. So Obama, like previous Democrats, will be fighting not only McCain, but the fixed media narrative AND Democrats. It's a hard way to win a campaign if you ask me.

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Or at least he hasn't distilled it down to the point where it's the first thing that comes to mind.

Change.

Unfortunately, the Republicans have managed to morph that into "He's a scary lightweight".

Here's hoping Robert Gibbs gets back to the day to day messaging, and Burton takes a breather, because the Obama response to all this crap hasn't been terribly noteworthy.

I think I get what the campaign is trying to do: run an honorable campaign that treats voters like adults, and refuses to dumb things down into soundbites. Commendable, but at this point, I want a Democratic president, and if reducing complex issues to soundbites is the way to accomplish that, then I'd like the Obama campaign to start playing hardball for once, and to start acting rather than reacting.

CT, I think we might be the same commenter. As you will see in my reply to budfox, above, I do sometimes use profanity, which you are far too civil to do. But really, is it the air here in CT or what? Because we always show up at the same time and have similar reactions to what's going on around here.

My reply that mirrors yours is below, actually...sorry.

Great point, Theda. McCain has been consistently melding the celebrity/elitist/liberal tag into Obama being wrong on The Surge and wrong on national security. Obama needs to be more vocal that we can leave Iraq now and still claim victory. This war is not over when John McCain declares it's over. It's over when the Iraqis tell us to get out, and that's happening.

It's amazing that McCain has been able to beat Obama over the head with The Surge while the Obama camp hasn't hit him more with Maliki's statements. This should be a winning issue for Obama and right now he's getting killed with it. More Cowbell! More Maliki!

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Well, to some degree Obama has boxed himself in saying that he wants to run a "different" kind of campaign, all that "new" politics. Well, it appears to be the same kind of campaign that Democrats have run before.

McCain proudly hails his Vietnam war record, right? Why not make an issue of how he backtracked on the torture issue?

McCain talks about taking on lobbyists? Why not mentioned how he was part of the Keating 5? I believed he was given a senate reprimand?

Obama's an elitist? What about McCain's numerous houses?

Who helped derailed the economy? McCain's pal Phil Gram wrote the bill that deregulated the financial industry, which has led financial institutions to engage in risky behavior.

People want Obama to come guns blazing but that doesn't appear to be his style--yet.

Let's see what happens in the next week or so. Most people still are not paying attention to the elections, and from what I've read Obama been releasing more harder, negative ads in other markets that are just below the radar but are not national.

It's a nice response, especially given that no one in the media is going to call him on it and Obama can't press it too much without giving credence to McCain's claim that he's getting testy.

The proper response, in my book, is to start tapping into McCain's duplicity--especially if the media won't. But use MCCAIN's image and words, not Obama or a voice over. He, far more than Obama, guards his precious maverick/straight talk image. And that's where he is vulnerable . . .

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Ok, everyone pile on Greg like you did me yesterday...I don't think that's what McCain actually said in the headline.

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HyperRevue, JohnW1141...where are y'all with your rebukes?

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SchrodingersCat...?

I'm not seeing any quotation marks in the headline.

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The colon after McCain is clearly there to give the reader that the subsequent text is a statement by McCain...or that's what you would've said if I wrote it.

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well you probably would have written "give the reader the impression"...

Since there was a colon but NO quotation marks, I made the assumption (using the basic rules of English) that the statement following the colon was, in fact, paraphrasing something McCain said.

In addition, by using the term "Moi" Greg made it quite clear that it was meant to be satire - since no self-respecting,true, red-blooded American conservative would lower themselves to speak the language of those American-hating, elitist, croissant-eating French people.

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1st paragraph=Dodging
2nd paragraph=Quality Humor

1st Statement = Totally disagree
2nd Statement = :-)

The colon is so McCain doesn't crap himself.

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Offensivetoyou,

STOP WHINING!

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Not whining, pointing out your blatant hypocrisy.

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offensivetoyou,


You're not seeing hypocrisy, you're seeing what your warped vision is producing.

Saying someone puts political ambition before country is questioning his patriotism.

Saying it isn't is lying.

McCain is a liar.

It's unbelievable that McCain is still getting away this. But it's becoming such a consistent theme of his that I can't imagine him getting a pass on it much longer; if this gets shoved in the faces of the news anchors enough (a big if, I suppose) they'll have to start dealing with McCain smearing Obama and then lying openly about the smears he has made days or hours earlier.

I'm still partial to branding McCain as a kind of crazy, Bush-lovin', war-mongering Grandpa Simpson—a senile old man who doesn't know what's going on around him most of the time and votes with Bush in his rare moments of partial lucidity. McCain's preposterous, brazen lies about his own conduct fit pretty well into that narrative.

"John McCain has eight houses, thinks that you're only rich when you make over five million dollars a year, and wants to give tax cuts to millionaires. John McCain doesn't understand the economy and how hard things are for ordinary folks.

"John McCain said our troops could stay in Iraq for a hundred years, and said that timelines were unacceptable. Then he said he supported a timeline. Then he said he didn't. John McCain doesn't understand Iraq and is too confused to lead.

"John McCain keeps talking about countries that haven't existed for a decade. In a time of international crisis, we need a President who understands the world, not someone who's confused by world events.

"John McCain said he doesn't know how to send an email and that he 'watches the internet.' John McCain is too confused about technology to give us the leadership we need in times of fast progress and complexity."

Etc., etc. This obviously needs some fine-tuning, but I think it's a powerful line of attack.

Which is exactly why it won't be used. Sigh.

Oh man I WISH those were the attacks we were hearing. They are only the truth.

McFuddle's pass w/ the media should be viewed as a deliberate attempt to take this election away from the voters. Why is he untouchable? Why are his lies unchallenged? We need to go after the media and boycott their sponsors and demand fairness and acountabilty. I have been writing to companies and boycott their products for over two years. What is interesting is I have gotten only two replies from all these companies. They do not care at all! Who has some ideas of what the hell to do? I'd like to hear any decent ideas.

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Absolutely pathetic "response" from McCain and it will not be analyzed properly by one talking head. Who will show the clips of McCain saying Obama would "Rawther win a campaign..." I always emphasize that "rawther" because it was a bullet point line that someone else slapped together for McDuff and he could barely spit it out. That is significant because it was designed precisely to question Obama's patriotism and courage. Bluster butt McCain riles the crowd up with that Big Daddy b.s. and they spin around so much they don't smell the flatulence. The kinder, gentler, softer, reasonable Obama then responds.
Sad.

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It is becoming obvious that a McCain victory is likely unless Obama can somewhat level the media playing field with McCain.

It is now necessary for Obama to go after the MSM, call them out on their slanted, double standard, coverage of the election.

I don't think Obama will ever do this, he thinks his "ground game" will overcome whatever obstacles are out there. Stupid.

Obama is in the process of losing the election, his hubris around his own belief in his messaging skills and organization is blinding to him as what is happening.

Blaming the media doesn't work, its whiney. Didn't work for Hillary, won't work now for Barack.

What works is a consistent message, how many freaking times do we have to see the Repubs push a theme over and over until it is accepted as true by America. This is not rocket science, it's advertising 101 for Chrissakes...

"Celebrity", "Inexperienced", "Elitist". With these few words, McCain has defined Obama nicely. And the response from the Obama campaign goes something like, "We respect John McCain, and honor his service, blah, blah, blah....but..." Meanwhile, most have tuned out by the time he gets to the crititicsm, which of course must always be well reasoned, accurate, and of course, NOT FUCKING TOUGH ENOUGH.

All of a sudden this campaign seems too smart, and too well run for its own good. Get your hands dirty, and fast, or this thing might be over. The maddening lack of a coherent message from Obama just proves the point McCain is making that this guy is all talk, and doesn't want to do the dirty work necessary to get the job done.

It's not too late. I'm not crying about a rerun of '04 just yet. This period leading up to the Convention is key. Get on the offensive, announce the VP and send him out there to tear the throat out of McCain. Then turn to the Convention and push the two main themes: McCain = Bush, and Obama = Change.

Hey Axelrod, Plouffe, etc., you listening? Wake up. It's game time.

FUCKING MEDIA. FUCK MCCAIN! this shit just boils my blood.

Nailed it.

Well, Barack did once travel to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport -- and Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. Not sure what that means.

I'm not even sure if what you claim is true. If it is, however: countries that don't allow dual citizenship for adults frequently allow it for children. See, e.g., Japan (dual citizenship fine until you turn 20).

If his campaign is smart...and I'm beginning to question this....all BO should do is go back to "this is more of the same" from McCain. Something along the lines of...

"Over the last seven and a half years, John McCain has learned an awful lot from George W Bush. He's learned to give tax breaks to big oil. He's learned to not look out for the middle class. And he's obviously learned to be dishonest with the American people with a straight face. This denial by Senator McCain won't work this time. This country is tired of the likes of him and George W. Bush. If you think you are getting straight talk from John McCain, you aren't. You are getting the exact kind of talk you've had from President Bush for the last eight years. More of the same...which results in less for the American people."

The fact is that if the MSM won't do their job, we must do it then. We must utilize the web to point out this hypocrisy in the McCain camp and the media. We must utilize YouTube to splice together the contradictions and we must send out to everyone now and up until election day.

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I have been saying this for months. Expecting the media to hold McCain accountable isn't reasonable. They won't. Hand wringing and feeling sorry for ourselves isn't worth shit.

Everybody with an email list has to get out the word. Conservatives aren't the only ones with email. Our mass emails can be better. We just have to tell the truth and folks will think we are giving them hell.

There are plenty of good videos out there. We saw a great one from demrapidresponse counting McCain's 10 mansions earlier. Did you share it? What about the PowerPAC "What Matters" video? It is great. I would say we start sharing those videos with our friends.

By the way, you might consider giving the Obama campaign a few more bucks. The same with the DNC.

Instead of bitching, why aren't we hitting back??? And please, no more of these DC-esque ads about policies. Hit McSame hard for his ties to Bush, question HIS patriotism, his sanity, his fitness for the job. I swear it's like I'm watching a rerun of 2004.

For some reason they won't do this. It is like John got some sort of kryptonite via his POW time. Seriously, the glvoes got to come off and the truth needs to come out.

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The robber baron media is as entrenched in the "old school' mindset as the beltway is. This is a perspective that is as moldy as McCain. It hinges on notions like "Don't speak ill of the dead." Respect your elders." Silly business of that sort. It's why Bob Schieffer nearly had a stroke when Wes Clark suggested that POW status isn't a qualifier for the Oval Office. It rankles all of the ingrained pedestrian notions that require only knee-jerk responses, not thought.
They FEEL honest and that's all that these prosaic, self congratulatory sorts require in their self review.
After all, they have risen in the halls of power, that is their "proof" of meritorious capacity.

Who the fuck is running the show over there??? The same people who worked for Kerry and Dukakis??? Negative. Campaigning. Works. People who say they don't like it are lying. You can either define the other guy... or let him define you. Don't they realize they only way they can lose this election is if it's all about Obama???

Messages:
- McCain is Bush's third term (every ad should show them hugging or eating cake... also throw in his generous praise over the last 4 yrs)
- McCain will say anything to get elected (where are the ads showing clips of him saying diametrically opposing things
- McCain says he supports the troops but voted against the GI Bill (hit his perceived strengths)
- McCain wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years (that was working until the Ds became too pussy to stick with it in the face of MSM consternation)
- McCain is Grandpa Simpson -- old, confused, out of touch, can't adapt to modern reality

Either have the balls to engage McCain directly and sharply (and NOT on stupid shit like tax credit votes) or ignore him and focus all the fire on Bush. I honestly can't believe I'm watching this happen right now.

In the Dem primary, surrogates were held accountable because Obama and Clinton cried to the press saying "Senator ___________ should reject and denounce remarks made by ..."

Obama isn't challenging surrogates publicly, which is why they get away with it. Of course if they did challenge them publicly it would become a referendum on the attack in question, just giving it more coverage.

Obama should put a package together of captured remarks of McCain and surrogates questing his his patriotism, followed by McCain saying he does nothing of that sort and then send it to all media outlets and release it on youtube.

McCain attacked Clark when he made his remarks, and the media piled on. If Obama doesn't like a remark or challenge McCain or surrogate makes he needs to hit back quickly, forcefully and publicly. Simply releasing a terse statement does nothing. Sure it gets included in the bottom of the print article, but the attack gets 80% of the article and all non-print coverage.

I think Obama needs to start pushing the argument that the Iraq war has been won by the efforts of our brave soldiers and the tactical brilliance of general Petreus. That means, it's time for us to withdraw and leave the sovereign, democratically elected government of Iraq in charge of their own country.

How is a Republican going to argue against this? "We have to stay because things are going much worse than reported." But I thought the surge was a great sucess. Are you criticizing the efforts of our troops?

It would work so well if it weren't for conservatives unsurpassed capacity for doublethink.

McCain is starting to walk away with it. The Obama camp does not know how to run a national campaign. They were great with little caucus states. But many of us could see the writing on the wall. No matter what the Obama camp does it sounds fragile and defensive, "stop saying things about me and my wife or I'll...." What? cry? I'm afraid we are going to get stuck with four more years of Bush III.

All the Chicken Littles are coming out today. You're ready to concede the election in August??!!

With Democrats like these......

We need a video of McCain attacking Obama's patriotism and then him denying he ever did such a thing.

It's simply: He's lying. Roll the video of the liar.

I agree it's so simple.

Jed Lewison of The Jed Report will probably have such a vid up by 6pm tonight.

McCain vs. McCain.

Bub-bye B-rack. You can't handle the heat

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Your right - we should hurt him back describing how he turned his back on his wife and children, cheated on them, then ditched them for a millionaire who was a dope addict and whose main goal in life is to get people drunk.

You mean like that kind of hurting?

Sure. Even better -- run that on Christian radio stations. Get a 527 to do it if you're too chicken shit.

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I've been holding out hope that Obama gets his act together but I'm becoming more and more ambivalent about his chances in Nov. McCain's team are HAMMERING home certain (unfair) themes that are having a devastating effect on the perceptions of the idiots in this country ... and face it folks, we are a nation of idiots. I'm sensing Kerry Mach II more and more each day over since end of July.

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"Stop saying mean stuff"? Greg, pointing out McCain's trying to have it both ways on questioning Obama's patriotism is not childish whining. This isn't Republican Talking Points Memo (or at least it shouldn't be).

Another sign of McCains incompetence, military and political.


"he values withdrawal from Iraq above victory in Iraq, even today with victory in sight. Over and over again, he has advocated unconditional withdrawal -- regardless of the facts on the ground."

Wake up Captain McCain! We already have a victory in Iraq. Stop denigrating the job our military did. We drove the Republican gaurd out of the way, took bagdad and dragged Sadam out of his hole. This was complete victory and every county in the world recognizes it.

McCain is so stupid on military matters he quoted wikopedia when problem in Georgia broke out. He did not know that Georgia had invaded S. Ossedia and fired on Russian peacekeepers in portion of a province that had voted to join russia with its north half.

Okay, so somebody from Obama's campaign who is reading this:

Make an ad called "The Free Pass" which shows all the BS that is the McCain campaign. Make the media the bad guy (just like McCain did). People will understand it. It counters why you don't hear much about McCain. Drive it home. You can loop his bufuddled responses, his inconsistencies, etc. into it.

Free pass will work better than the flip flopper meme or McBush meme, both of which don't resonate with anyone who is not already in Obama's camp.

This is exactly right. They should do something like this. But will they? I heard they tune into TPM occasionally. Do they read these threads? Do you have an insider at the Obama campaign you can reach?

And by the way, is this Markos?

Nope. Not Markos. Different Kos, though I'm often asked. I'll change my sig to "Not that Kos" in the future.

I can't believe this is happening again. Kerry would have won in 2004 if he had picked Gen Clark for his VP. There is no doubt about it. Bush won on fear and nothing else.

Even more so this time Gen Clark could take McCain out of this election so fast his head would spin. Clark would be a double whammy. His NATO Commander experience and being right on Iraq trumps McCain's POW experience and that is all McCain has. If I'm not mistaken Clark has a Masters in Economics and taught it at West Point. PLEASE Barack, wake up and smell the public's longing for someone to assure them of your ticket's competence on security and the economy. By playing the Schieffer/Clark nonsense in it's entirety we can get over that hurdle very easy. And Kerry should be ashamed for his comments on the issue.

I meant to add, Biden is very smart, but he turns too many people off with his shoot from the lip attitude. I like him but we need to go for the jugular with the best we have to offer on the security issue and that is Clark. Biden should be Sec.of State and have this announced with the rest of his cabinet very soon.

Okay, it's time for the mainstream media to step up to the plate.

There is plenty of video with McCain openly questioning Obama's patriotism.

Show the video and then McCain's new quote.

The double-talk express needs to be called out.

I like that..."double talk express"..I think it should be used in all of Obama's ads from here on out! Kudos to you!

I wish I could claim to be the first to use it, but, alas, I am not.

But it is a term we should use a lot--nice way to brand McCain. The media might, finally, take him on.

"The double-talk express is at it again" would always be a good opening.

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McCain is pissing on our backs and telling us it's raining while the mainstream media reports stormy weather.

It pisses me off that this guy continually gets away with all his bullshit. I know he's not aware of the interyoutubes but someone in the press should be!

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These things are won with Meta Messages and body language. The masses will never follow a weak meme. Quit picking on me is weak. 'My turn' is weak. 'I was before it before I was against it is weak.' "Rights of the unborn begin at conception." = STRONG. It's idiotic, and removes every form of birth control that prevents intra-uterine attachment of the zygote--but the meta message is STRENGTH. The public doesn't care whether or not Obama KNOWS more than McCain--they want to know if he can kick McCain's ass. So far, the answer is NO, he can't! He can only whine about having to put up with a Bully.

Bingo, and I hate to say it but my TPM "namesake" LBJ would've said it ALREADY-get the fuck out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat. This isn't child's play.

What has McCain done? Make the narrative about McCain. Make HIM answer the questions. I think Obama can stand to lose the 11 18 year olds who won't vote for him because he's not running a "clean" campaign.

Weakness doesn't work. Be crafty and civil in the debates but an attack dog everywhre else.

Tiring stuff.

2004 Convention July 26-July 29. The swift-boat group was formed in May 2004 during the primary but were ignored by the media. AFTER the Democratic convention, the group began with ads--the first on August 5; second on August 20; third on August 26 and fourth on August 31. All of this followed Kerry's official nomination and the conclusion of the Democratic convention.

2008 Convention August 25-August 28.

Stop the lies that August 2004 and August 2008 are comparable. They aren't. Different times in a campaign cycle.

Convention has to conclude and then the fun really begins. If any of you attack worms are actually Democrats, then perhaps you need a co-worker or friend who knows CPR. I don't think your hearts are gonna survive the campaign.

The moment is approaching and there is really only one way to go: Clinton.

Nominating Clinton at this point would completely dislodge McCain's momentum.

Y'all want to go down with the ship. Clinton would turn this ship right around and head straight to the White House.

It will be too late after the convention. A little Democratic soul searching should be on tap for you all. At this point I suspect Obama has way longer odds than Clinton.

You feel lucky punks, well do ya?

Did someone say something?

"Nominating Clinton at this point would completely dislodge McCain's momentum."

..she's not coming back.

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You are off your meds. If the clintons won the primary, we all would be whining about how much we forgot about all their garbage from the 90's and since. We would be whining about mr. bill's crooked deals with overseas dictators. The clintons would be hovering in the 30's and the republicans would be having more of a field day. Plus we would be getting hammered in senate and house races, which the clintons never cared about anyway, see the huge dem losses in the 90's under their "stewardship" of the dem party.

Dream on, the clintons are toast and aren't going to be nominated. Sorry to burst your fantasy land bubble.

Hello President McCain.

Where are Obama's surrogates? It doesn't look good when Bill is out praising McCain's policies and Hillary is hatching a palace coup.

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If McCain is so God-damned patriotic, then how come every one of his advisors seems to care more about foreign governments than our own? How come they seem to represent every company looking to outsource American jobs? Why wouldn't he vote to give vets a leg up by voting for the Webb GI Bill?

He's a complete charlatan.

What they f**k is wrong with Gibbs and Co.? Why are they expecting media to defend them all the time? Why can't they defend themselves by hammering this old bastard?

I am going to stop giving money if all I get is whining. Obama needs to fire the entire communication team if he wants a dime from me again. They are been push over by McCain, and all they do is respond with a weak statements.

Senator Obama can not pick Biden. Biden voted for the Irak war. If Obama picks Clinton or Biden, this would be the end of its candidacy...


Making the assumption that we are all morons, McCain is basically saying, "unless I explicitly say Obama is unpatriotic, then I can say anything I want to and get away with it!"

In other words, the MSM and most American voters are not smart enough to see insinuation and implicit tactics.

Americans are plenty smart. They see one candidate hitting hard, and the other not hitting back. Which one you think they'll choose for President?

I always believe Americans are smarter but history tells me otherwise. After all, these set of people elected George Bush twice

I hear ya', Gbenga.

I still have faith that America will make the right choice, given some effective prompting from Obama, which has been sorely lacking lately.

Which is why is time to fight back hard. Fair, but hard. With thanks to Pangea...

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/08/kicking-more-ass-john-mccain-a.php

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You are kidding right? You have to start with the premise that americans are dumb and don't pay attention.

Mcbush and the republicans are winning this battle big time. It's no contest and the right-wing media is helping him out. He is controlling the news cycle and obama is allowing it.

Obama has got to stop whining. That's all the media is covering. The republicans have called dems unpatriotic since nixon. It's not rocket science. Just ignore it because the repeated response, "just stop, please stop, I really am" comes off as whining. ATTACK FOR PETE'S SAKE

Stupid or not, even the average American can see Obama is floundering. Can you blame them for having doubts about him? That is Obama's own fault. He needs to fix that, right now.

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I agree with that 1000% and that is coming from the right-wing media spin on this whole campaign. Somehow obama needs to change the dialogue and change the media spin. I really think some attack ads against the media is the way to go. Put them on their heels. I really don't see any other way to go. The right-wing media is ignoring the substance, propogating the lies, and regurgitating mcbush's nonsense.

How about attacking McCain's constant use of the phrase "my friends..."?

John McCain is not your friend. John McCain married an heiress, has 10 houses, wears $500 shoes. John McCain is not your friend, he's friends with the CEO's who send jobs overseas. John McCain is not your friend, he's friends with corporate lobbyists.

Demonize that phrase. Put him back on his heels, take away his rhetorical security blanket.

It's high time Obama accepted that any voter who's still undecided at this point isn't going to be convinced by good policy, subtle arguments or reason. It's time he simplified the message for these morons. He can't get away with straight off calling McCain a liar, but he can hit him with a charge that is bound to stick because it's so obviously true: pretty he much every thing McCain says and does is evidence of one thing: doubletalk.
Time to run ads and videos that compile all his contradictions, backtracks and outright lies over and over and over again. Then remind the people that his doubletalk is aimed at them, at misleading the American people, something he will continue doing if he becomes president.
Time to run the "Straight Talk Express" off the road.
And while he's at it, Obma should pick a VP who's proved he can call McCain out on his bullshit: Wes Clark.

What about McCain's line about, "Senator Obama has made it clear that he values withdrawal from Iraq above victory in Iraq, even today with victory in sight."

What is victory? Can't we hammer on this as well? What does victory mean to McCain and pin him down on it. In a jingoistic sense who is against victory? No one obviously, but what is victory these days? Staying for 100 years? Losing more blood and treasure while the violence in Afghanistan increases? The public still doesn't like the Iraq War, change the focus of the discussion back to something McCain has to defend. Some of these seem very obvious. I hope Obama and the campaign has something up their sleeve because McCain's misleading rhetoric is clouding the picture.

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Obama should be using McCain's own words against him in every ad he produces at this point. They should be quoting him day and night. "One hundred years!" "Five millions dollars!" "Would rather lose a war than lose and election!"

It's all bullshit, and the more Obama runs away from it, the more effective McCain's rhetoric becomes.

They should be calling McCain on it on television, in every ad. But they won't. Shit.

He has made these decisions not because he doesn't love America, but because he doesn't seem to understand the consequences of an American defeat in Iraq, how it would risk a wider war and threaten the security of American families. -John McCain

Again, McCain's comment is questioning Obama's commitment to America. And its no enough for Obama to complain.

Why isn't Obama questioning McCain's commitment to America's economic security?

Why isn't Obama questioning McCain's commitment to the welfare of our troops when they come back home?

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He actually does, 5 paragraphs down in his speeches after the whining about the mcbush attacks. The right-wing media ignores that stuff and just plays up the whining.

Obama needs some major defining ads and maybe obama should start attacking the media. Maybe some adds against the right-wing media are the way to go as well. I watch cnn and I just want to freaking hurl big time. It's disgusting.

This is bullshit---David Alexrod, Robert Gibbs and Bill Burton need step down from their positions, NOW.

The frickin' theme of the GOP convention will be "Country First." (As opposed to...?) How is that not attacking Obama's patriotism?

And of course McCain is "The American president America has been waiting for." How is that not attacking Obama's patriotism?

Obama needs to find his own William Safire and Spiro Agnew to counter this crap.

I want Obama, in the debate, to call him out on this. Point his finger at him and not let him off the hook. Use McCain's own words against him--to his face.

Obama needs to push McCain until he erupts, and destroys himself.....

http://crackle.com/c/Screenbites/A_Few_Good_Men_Did_You_Order_The_Code_Red_/1620216

Yes!

I also believe that McCain can be pushed to explode in a real debate. That's what everyone needs to see.

Even a mild boil-over would damage McCain by confirming with existing stories about his temper. I don't think Barack will attempt it though.

Like Atticus Finch Obama needs to take the specs off and shoot the mangy cur between the eyes.

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This is Obama's election to loose. He better stop expecting the media to be fair, honest and reasonable. They will not challenge McCain on anything. It is up to him to take the gloves off and fight is he wants to win. The public is dumb as dirt and you have to treat them that way. They will not see what is before their nose unless he spells it out everyday. He is expecting too much from the press and the public. He beter start campaigning like a Republican if he wants to serve the greater good.

Channeling/Bumping Runaway Horses' post.

It's right on target.

"John McCain has eight houses, thinks that you're only rich when you make over five million dollars a year, and wants to give tax cuts to millionaires. John McCain doesn't understand the economy and how hard things are for ordinary folks.

"John McCain said our troops could stay in Iraq for a hundred years, and said that timelines were unacceptable. Then he said he supported a timeline. Then he said he didn't. John McCain doesn't understand Iraq and is too confused to lead.

"John McCain keeps talking about countries that haven't existed for a decade. In a time of international crisis, we need a President who understands the world, not someone who's confused by world events.

"John McCain said he doesn't know how to send an email and that he 'watches the internet.' John McCain is too confused about technology to give us the leadership we need in times of fast progress and complexity."

Etc., etc. This obviously needs some fine-tuning, but I think it's a powerful line of attack.

Two words Obama needs to remember: Hammer McCain. Hammer McCain. Hammer McCain

Obama must start to believe how truly ineffective McCain is and how wrong he is for our country. Hammer him about not showing up for votes, supporting torture, not having a clue as to what it's really like to pay your bills in this country, for the people he surrounds himself with. Can't they at least point out that the people that gave us this war want to stay in control and continue the war and are in control of McCain's campaign?

Start carting out the war vets who hate McCain. I don't know of one WW2 or Korean vet that is supporting this man. They see him and they see Rumsfeld and they hate Rummsfeld.

And get rid of the ad agency that's doing the ads. The egos involved at the agency are getting in the way of reality. They need to start thinking gorilla advertising. I don't want to see pretty pictures "morning in America" crap again. I don't want catch phrases about "change." I want facts stamped across the screen.

Think of those damn "Head ON" commercials. People hate them but they stick in your brain. The message is repeated over and over again. The republicans must have hired the agency that did those ads because the repetitive message is getting through to the clueless.

McCain is bad for America. McCain is bad for America.

The media will never call McCain on this nonsense. Never. Somehow, he has been elevated to sacred-cow status and he must never be criticized for his memory loss or his lies. He's a POW! A genuine American Hero!!

This is a load of total crap. First of all, that was a long time ago, second of all, he is hardly unique in being a POW, and third, what's he done for any of us peons lately? You know, those of us who don't have $5 million in annual income.

The plan all along was to get some rest during the olympics because there was political overkill and then ramp up during the convention, and then sprint. Trust me the olympics have dominated peoples thoughts. That is what is hot, look at the ratings of NBC compared to the rest of the networks. We will be fine

No, we're not going to be fine. The next several weeks will be dead zones on tv. I could care less about the Olympics or NBC's ratings during the spectacle phony drama stories from the hosts. I do know that convention coverage will be minimal, treated like a bad mini-series, and that the average American will not watch even 5 minutes of it. Each convention will be like choir practice with the rest of the country off living their lives. So yeah, we are in trouble because the real message is not getting through. And any bounce that Obama gets following the convention will not last because of the methods of the republicans. Their convention is second. Their bounce will last unless Obama begins to consistently hammer McCain about his failures as a person and a leader. I'm sick of him being mister nice guy. I don't want a nice guy as president. I want a person who is prepared to take on the evil in our own country and he can start with McCain.

It is sickening that Obama has allowed McCain to snag the entire campain on THE SURGE -- the goddamn surge happened because Bush and McCain lied/manipulated us into A WAR that is sucking the life blood out of our economy and military! It's like McCain's Iraq memory only beings with the surge. Why is he getting away with that? Every time he accuses Obama of not supporting it, Obama should fire back with McCain's judgment about going into the damn war in the first place -- play clips of his "we'll be liberators", "easy deal", "over in no time" crap. Tie him to Bush/Cheney/Chalabi. Then bring it back to judgment.

Quit the stupid "my patriotism" shit -- all it does is make people focus on whether or not he IS patriotic..."hmmm, maybe he's not a patriot". He's REINFORCING McCain's message by giving it credence. Don't whine at being attacked for not supporting troops/surge 5 YEARS AFTER THE MISBEGOTTEN failure in judgment about war!!

McCain impugns judgment, Obama slams the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of DOLLARS

Go around any neighborhood any where and ask people: "What is rich?"

Pick the funny, insightful, and angry (I think we have aright to be angry) answers.

"John McCain's answer? . . . Pretty rich."

There's your ad right there.

Here's mine:

"Now I guess of you listen to talk radio, you will here some nice intelligent people say that I am elitist. All righty . . . I need to clear up a few things. My wife drives a 2002 Ford Focus. She does not have a private plane that she flies around Illinois because 'it's the only way to travel'. I have one house, a nice house, but one house in an integrated neighborhood in a city with issues. I don't live in a gated community. I don't have seven houses. I don't wear $500 shoes. I buy my suite off the rack. My dad left my mom when I was two and I was raised on food stamps part of the time. I went to good schools but always on scholarship because my family didn't have money. I had no connections to get me into college and my father and grandfather certainly weren't Naval officers. No, I come from a family of Army grunts. When I graduated college, I made $12,000 a year working with poor people in the inner city. No caviar or lobster or for dinner. . . more like catfish and anchovies and ramen noodles. Nope, if you hear anyone call me an elitist, tell them they have it wrong. They must be thinking of the OTHER guy running for president!"

What the hell is wrong with the Obama campaign? Why is he responding with these softball ads about rebuilding america, yes we can! McCain is shaping Obama's perception in the media. McCain doesn't care if everything he says is a lie, he doesn't care if his ads have no substance. And his campaign is completely willing to deny that he's done anything wrong at all. Obama needs to wake up. This guy he's competing against has no moral grounding, and will not meet him to fight a campaign on substantive issues. Obama needs to take the proverbial gloves off. He needs to play -dirty- seriously dirty. He needs to get tough and hit back hard. There are numerous ways this can be done. McCain has said so many disgusting contradictory, nonsensical things and has allied himself so closely with Bush, the republican base, and evangelicals that there are endless ways to attack this guy. He's old, he's a liar, he's a loose cannon with bad ideas, no ideas. Pick a topic. But Obama's got to stop trying to just shape the public's view regarding who Obama is, and intead start going after this guy. Get down in the mud and go after him.

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Obama needs to hammer home that McCain is running a DISHONORABLE campaign. Repeat it over and over - hit him at his strength.

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Absolutely right. Obama needs to start rattling McCain's cage. Get him really angry. Wipe the phony smile off his face and bring out the McCain we all know and hate. There was a never maverick behind that smile. McCain has always done what's good for McCain just as Bush has done what's good for Bush. They're joined at the hip in so many ways. They are the same man surrounded by the same people. The only blessing with McCain is we don't have to see Barbara Bush in the background in her pearls with that evil smile.

Being wrong on the invasion of Iraq and therefore taking resources away from vanquishing the Taliban and Al Qaida is not the kind of experience we need in this dangerous world.

Obama/Clark

Two comments.

First, as if there were any remaining question about it, McCain's response establishes beyond question that he is a liar and a coward.

Second, Greg Sargent can stop scratching his head and puzzling over why McCain's "double-talk on Obama's patriotism" has not "entered the media narrative". The "media narrative" is a propaganda campaign constructed by the handful of giant corporations who own and control America's mass media. What the corporate-owned media is doing now is exactly what it did with the 2000 goring of Al Gore and the 2004 swiftboating of John Kerry: working in close cooperation with the Republican Party and the right-wing extremist media to ensure that Their Man McCain gets close enough to steal the election.

Expecting "the media" to be reasonable, accurate, or "fair" to Obama is foolish. The "media" is not performing some kind of public service and is not neutral in this campaign. The "media" is propagandizing to advance the agenda of its owners, an agenda which is best served by putting McCain in the White House to continue the CheneyBush policies of government of, by and for America's Ultra-Rich Ruling Class, Inc. at the expense and to the detriment of everyone else.

The Obama campaign and Obama supporters need to recognize that the corporate-owned mass media is an integral part of the McCain campaign and deal with that reality.

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Absolutely correct. Obama has enough ad cash, start running ads goring cnn and the rest of the right-wing media. I can only stomach about 5 minutes or so a day of cnn and it makes me puke. Last night on ac360, they said that they were going to present the facts and then presented the lies and distortions. Use that quote and show how they are lying in ads. Buy up a bunch of air time attacking the media. Maybe that is the way to go. I don't know what else could be done.

Then, they aired a photoop shot of mcbush on the oil rig and asked for comments or some nonsense. Is that free campaign advertising or what? They didn't point out the FACT that all off shore drilling will do is line the pockets of big oil and won't help the american people. Even t boone freaking pickens recognizes this fact. WTF.

Maybe obama lawyers could file a claim with the FEC asserting the free campaigning by the media for mcbush. It's a campaign contribution and would be big bucks. Maybe that might shut it down. It really is pathetic.

You are right...Obama sounded funny asking Mccain to admit he is patriotic. Just as he sounds ridiculous praising Mccains patriotism at every forum.
I ma getting frustrated!

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Absurd is more like it. He's said the same whine repeatedly and what is the response in the next news cycle by mcbush. Oh, I'm not challenging his patriotism. The discussion continues. It really is pathetic and I am tired of hearing about it. It won't stop so obama has to get over it and move on. STOP THE WHINING. DEFINE MCBUSH.

Randi Rhodes is onair right now and just played a tape of McCain, in 2000?, saying that he had run for president because it was his ambition to be president!

I was hoping that she might have a link to it on her website, but I don't see it.

It was pretty good and should be in an Obama ad!

My god, Democrats are so pathetic. Still not willing to fight for what they believe in, if indeed they do actually believe in anything.

Dems have made their bed and now they get to lay in it. This isn't Obama's problem. This is a systemic party problem that's been decades in the making. I thought Obama's campaign apparatus would be different, but it ain't one bit.

That Obama stands a very good chance of losing in November to a little, sniveling, plutocratic, warmonger man who doesn't even know how to use a computer speaks volumes.

Fight, or get the fuck out of the way.

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Oh, more good news. It looks like woodman, bayh is going to be vp. Talk about going down in flames, this isn't looking good folks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/29/evan-bayh-obamas-vice-pre_n_115615.html

GEN.WESLEY CLARK IS THE STRONGEST V.P PICK OUT OF ALL 4,JOE BIDEN GOT A TEMPER AND PUT HIS FOOT IN HIS MOUTH,TIM KAINE IS TO YOUNG LIKE BARACK AND ESPECIALLY NOW WIT THE RUSSIA/GEORGIA CRISIS,EVAN BAYN VOTED AND PUSH FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ AND HES MORE OF A CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRAT,KATHLEEN SEBELIUS I LIKE HER A LOT BUT HE PICKS HER ALL THAT GONNA DO IS GET ALL OF HILLARYS SUPPORTERS RILED AND ANGRY THEY DON'T WANT ANOTHER WOMAN UNLESS IT'S HILLARY,SO THAT LEAVES GEN.WESLEY CLARK THE STRONGEST,1.HE WAS A HILLARY SUPPORTER SO HES THE ONLY 1 THAT CAN BRING MAJORITY OF HILLARY SUPPORTERS OVER TO BARACK AND BRING UNITY TOGETHER 2.HE WAS NUMBER 1 AT WEST POINT GOT A RHODES SCHOLARSHIP AT OXFORD UNIVERSITY AND GOTTA DEGREE IN ECONOMICS,PHILOSOPHY AND POLITICS 3.HE SAVED 1.6 MILLION ALBANIANS LIVES WITHOUT 1 AMERICAN SOLDIER GETTIN HURT 4.HE WAS IN THE MILITARY FOR 38 YRS GOT SEVERAL HONORARY KNIGHTHOODS,A PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL OF FREEDOM,3 PURPLE HEARTS AND TWO BRONZE MEDALS,HE WAS ALSO NATO SUPREME ALLIED COMMANDER IN EUROPE,THE PEOPLE AT PETAGON COULD'NT STAND HIM BKUZ HE WAS TO FUCKIN SMART FOR THEM AND 5.CLARK SPEAKS SPANISH FLUENT 6.HE WAS THE ONLY DEMOCRAT THAT TOOK THE FIGHT TO MCBUSH AND RIPPED HIS ASS UP BARACK NEEDS AN ATTACK DOG WHO THINKS 1ST BEFORE HE LASHES AND CLARK IS THE RIGHT MAN FOR THAT.check out www.obamaclark.com. OBAMA/CLARK 08!!!!!

CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK.OBAMA/CLARK 08!!!!!

if john wayne mcbush can bring back phil gram who call america a bunch of whinners and crybabys,why barack can't bring back GEN.WESLEY CLARK who got in mccain ass so bad he got under mcbush skin!!!!

The McCain platform is nothing but nonsense and double-talk. He should be portrayed by Democrats in a way the American public can understand: as the Homer Simpson of right wing zealots.

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Well, even josh agrees on the whining. I'm sure the republicans love it as well, so it's unanimous. STOP THE WHINING.

So on November 5th when John McCain has been elected President of the US is Barack Obama still going to be complaining?

How much of what John McCain is doing is new?

How much of this are things that George W. Bush, aka Karl Rove, not done?

The Democrats STILL haven't learned.

The race was Obama's to lose from the beginning and he's doing a great job at it.

CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,CLARK,if barack and david axelrod and david plouffe and robert gibbs and valerie jarrett if they r so smart and very strategic they would know whutz best for him,grab GEN.WESLEY CLARK,john wayne mccbush said he knows how to win wars,name me 1 war this muthafucka won?clark on the other hand won a war and was wounded wit 4 rounds in him and saved 1.6 million albanians lives wit out 1 american soldier gettin hurt!!!!

I'm listening to Obama speaking right now. I wish he would stay with his normal way of speaking and not try to sound like, I don't know who, but he is speaking too fast,too loud, dropping his g's, dropping his voice at the end of his sentences too much and using a more staccato voice. He is an educated man and he shouldn't let the Republican's "elitist" BS scare him into sounding otherwise. I guess what I am trying to say in a very round about way is he is starting to sound desperate. I guess I am the one who is getting desperate. I can't believe he is losing ground to this phony.

McCain chides a newly feisty Obama as 'testy'

McCain countered Wednesday, saying: "Sen. Obama got a little testy on this issue. He said I was questioning his patriotism. Let me be clear — I am not questioning his patriotism. I am questioning his judgment."

McCain then pressed his attack. "Washington is full of talented talkers," McCain said. "The bottom line is that Sen. Obama's words, for all their eloquence and passion, don't mean all that much."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080820/ap_on_el_pr/negative_campaign_2

Utterly predictable response from McCain. However, it allows Obama to start dropping the "honourable" bit about McCain. I am not sure it would play well for McCain to start demanding that Obama always mention his POW status and honour when mentioning his name.

Then again, McCain might. He is just that fucking nuts.

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