McCain: Obama Has Confidence In Himself But Not In His Country
John McCain is cranking up his attacks on Obama's internationalist approach to foreign policy by giving a speech today that hits Obama for not giving America enough credit for winning the Cold War -- which according to McCain reveals that Obama has confidence in himself but not in his country.
McCain's argument -- to be delivered at 1 P.M. at the 90th Annual American Legion National Convention in Phoenix, Arizona -- is based on some rather aggressive parsing of what Obama actually said. McCain is faulting Obama for saying in his Berlin speech that the Cold War proved that there's "no challenge too great for a world that stands as one."
The problem with Obama's formulation, in McCain's view, is that it doesn't hog enough credit for America. McCain alludes to this and to Obama's self-confidence in order to push the memes that Obama is too puffed-up for his own good and harbors views of our great land that are suspect in some way. Here's what McCain says in the prepared excerpts:
My opponent had the chance to express such confidence in America, when he delivered a much anticipated address in Berlin. He was the picture of confidence, in some ways. But confidence in oneself and confidence in one's country are not the same. And in that speech, Senator Obama left an important point unclear. He suggested that the end of the Cold War proved that there was, quote, "no challenge too great for a world that stands as one."Now I missed a few years of the Cold War, as the guest of one of our adversaries, but as I recall the world was deeply divided during the Cold War -- between the side of freedom and the side of tyranny. The Cold War ended not because the world stood "as one," but because the great democracies came together, bound together by sustained and decisive American leadership.
All of this is more than an academic debate. For the sake of our own security, and the defense of our values in the affairs of the world, American leadership is critical.
You caught McCain's POW-POW-POWing in there, we trust.
To Obama, there are limits to what American power can accomplish, so genuine cooperation with other nations is in our interest. To McCain, there are no limits to what American might can achieve, and any calls for internationalist cooperation that fail to include the caveat of American "leadership" are tantamount to an admission of weakness -- a lack of "confidence."
More McCain excerpts after the jump.
There are those who say that our day as the free world's leader has passed, that our moment is waning. They point to the anti-Americanism that is sometimes heard in Europe and elsewhere, and take this as a sign that America no longer has the strength or the moral credibility to lead. The criticisms tend to pass or quiet down when global threats and dangers appear. In times of trouble, free nations of the world still look to America for leadership, because they know the strength of America remains the greatest force for good on this earth.
My opponent had the chance to express such confidence in America, when he delivered a much anticipated address in Berlin. He was the picture of confidence, in some ways. But confidence in oneself and confidence in one's country are not the same. And in that speech, Senator Obama left an important point unclear. He suggested that the end of the Cold War proved that there was, quote, "no challenge too great for a world that stands as one." Now I missed a few years of the Cold War, as the guest of one of our adversaries, but as I recall the world was deeply divided during the Cold War - between the side of freedom and the side of tyranny. The Cold War ended not because the world stood "as one," but because the great democracies came together, bound together by sustained and decisive American leadership.
All of this is more than an academic debate. For the sake of our own security, and the defense of our values in the affairs of the world, American leadership is critical. While we have our share of critics around the world, when people in the oppressed nations of the world need support, and solidarity, and hope, they look to America. When they talk about our country, it is not with distrust or disdain, but with respect and affection. They do not resent or resist America's democratic influence in the world - they thank God for it.
Just days after the Russian invasion of Georgia, Senator Obama had this to say about the crisis: "We've got to send a clear message to Russia and unify our allies. They can't charge into other countries. Of course it helps if we are leading by example on that point." End of quote. I guess we are left to figure out the rest for ourselves. It's unlikely he was alluding to Afghanistan, the nation we liberated after 9/11, and continue to help despite Russian complaints about our related deployments in Central Asia. And he probably didn't have Kosovo in mind either - although Russia didn't care much for that military action, either. We and our NATO allies had to end the Serbian slaughter of civilians in Kosovo without UN approval, because the Russians blocked the effort in the Security Council.
If I catch Senator Obama's drift, then, our failure to "lead by example" was the liberation of Iraq. And if he really thinks that, by liberating Iraq from a dangerous tyrant, America somehow set a bad example that invited Russia to invade a small, peaceful, and democratic nation, then he should state it outright - because that is a debate I welcome.
In the end, confusion about such questions only invites more trouble, violence, and aggression. To promote stability and peace, America must stand firmly on the side of freedom and justice. The next president must bring to office a clear-eyed view of our nation's role in the world, as the defender of the oppressed and a force for peace.















Question for McSame: How did you deal with the PTSD associated with your POW experience?
August 26, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
He has said he never experienced that.
Manly man hero straigh talkin' maverick McCain is just too patriotic and strong to experience PTSD, don't ya know?
August 26, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, it's gone untreated for what, 35 years now?
August 26, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually he looks back on his time as a POW as his glory days, why else would he keep bringing it up?
Think about it. McCain desperately wants to be a celebrity. Back then he was staring in films left and right! Sure, the films were all about how America was the worst country in the world, but still, he was THE STAR DAMNIT!
It's McCain's love of the limelight than is fuelling all this "celebrity" nonsense against Obama.
I'm surprised none of you have figured this out by now.
August 26, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is really, really, really stupid. It's a cynical, misleading argument. Once again, the McCain camp knows it can't win on the merits, so they have to resort to misleading the American people. They should be ashamed.
The simple response to McCain is that he is purposefully misreading what Obama said in order to try to turn it into the exact opposite. In other words, he's lying.
When Obama said the world came together as one, he obviously didn't mean that the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. came together. He means exactly what McCain is saying, that the U.S. and western European nations came together.
The McCain camp isn't stupid enough to think Obama meant the former.
August 26, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ohio,
You are so right. In fact, I think that needs to start being the response from the Obama camp.
It's a LIE.
The McCain camp..is LIEING.
There there go lieing again.
He is a LiAr...you learn that in POW camp..or you get tortured.
He is a LIAR as a result of being a POW
we have to excuse that knee jerk response but as Americans we understand that was how he survived that horrendous experience.
Make it a twofer, call him a liar and use his own POW line right back at him.
August 26, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain lie?
Flashback: McCain Agreed To Condemn Swift-Boat Attacks In General Election
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/flashback_mccain_agreed_to_con.php
August 26, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think self confidence is not a bad thing! That's how this country was built!!
But yes McCain's parsing is ruthless and sometimes I feel like if a voting electorate cannot really differentiate between a lie, an almost truth and quite the truth, they deserve who they vote for.
August 26, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's argument is stupid, but the comments on this thread are much stupider.
August 27, 2008 5:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
In fact, McCain DOES revel in that POW time as his glory days. Perverse but true:
“He has been preoccupied with escaping the shadow of his father and establishing his own image and identity in the eyes of others,” read a psychiatric evaluation in his medical files. “He feels his experiences and performance as a P.O.W. have finally permitted this to happen.”
This quote appeared in Dowd's column, which is worth a look:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/opinion/24dowd.html
August 26, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Symptoms of PTSD include:
Impaired memory, forgetfulness, inability to recall names, facts and dates that are well known to you ...
Irritability, sudden intense anger, occasional violent outbursts ...
Obsessiveness - the experience takes over your life, you can't get it out of your mind ...
Impaired learning ability (eg through poor memory and inability to concentrate) ...
August 26, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had the exact same response reading.
August 26, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yet he blames his adultery on his POW experience!
But he got out of captivity in 1973 and didn't get divorced until 1979!
That's why Nancy Reagan hates him. We need more juicy quotes from friends of Nancy.
You have to read this story:
August 26, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, this story:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-divorce11-2008jul11,0,6546861.story?page=1
August 26, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
A Republican admit to a weakness? Especially one that cannot be seen, and that (they) consider a sign of mental failure and lack of determination to overcome? Surely, you jest.
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August 28, 2008 1:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, McPTSD has shown no ability to hold a position for more than 30 seconds (unless it involves his time as a POW or the Surge). He doesn't understand that we can catch his flops and gaffes, he would probably call the McCain of 2000 a Commie... he obviously is totally loco, probably a symptom of untreated PTSD
August 26, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
At this point, I loathe John McCain, and am unsurprised that such meticulous and careful parsing produces a misleading characterization that goes unaddressed by the media or by the target of such smearing.
August 26, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
You had me at "At this point, I loathe John McCain".
I was never a McCain guy, but at one point I did think he was an honorable person. I laugh at those thoughts now.
August 26, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was hoodwinked by the whole "maverick straight talkin'" myth that was perpetuated in 2000, and even thought "Well, I don't think he'd be a total disaster as President..."
I think that hte media has created and perpetuated a particular myth, and McCain has changed significantly (political positions and cognitive demeanor) since 2000, but the media only sees him as the McCain 2000 version. It's quite dangerous.
August 26, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just more of the same MSM -GOP bullshit:
GWB was "fun to have a beer with", remember? He was a "compassionate conservative", a "uniter not a divider" with a "humble foreign policy". A regular Joe clearing brush on his ranch.
They didn't mention that he would be TORTURING people and SPYING on Americans and INVADING other countries and SHREDDING the Constitution.
So after 8 years of destroying everything America stood for, now Mccain is a real "maverick", "hero" and "good guy"??? And he serves up some yummy BBQ!
Really, fuck the MSM. Fuck em. They get people killed. Tousands maimed, thousands killed. They're bleeding this nation dry.
August 26, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, he's a senator. So even if he's a liar, we have to say "The honorable Senator McCain". Etiquette sucks sometimes.
August 26, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is showing extreme confidence in America by talking to voters as adults and trying to talk about issues. Some say too much confidence...
August 26, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please, let's re-hash the fucking Cold War, McCain.
August 26, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. As an official handwringer, this line of attack doesn't really bother me so much.
And by the way, the Georgia-Russia experience attacks sting a lot less with Joe Biden at Obama's side.
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August 26, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Somebody please remind John McCain that we did not "win" the Cold War by invading Russia (or any other sovereign nation for that matter) and that Sadaam Hussein was not a threat to anyone outside of his boarders and the oil companies.
August 26, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama will say to McCain at Presidential Debates when McCain makes another one of these crazy assertions. Obama's response will be "There you go again."
August 26, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I'll see that coming too.
August 26, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would so love to see Obama say something like, "McCain does not have the temperament to be President"...
...and then watch as McCain flies off the handle in overreaction, thereby proving his point.
August 26, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would love to him him call McCain a Liar.
Just out and out say..he is a liar.
McCain lies.
It is a byproduct of his POW experience.
While I understand that was a tool for survival and that he sees himself in the campaign fight of his life ..he has to know he is lieing.
McCain is a liar.
Standard response...no more longwinded response.
Be succinct.
He is Lieing.
August 26, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain on the other hand treats the electorate like morons with his "celebrity" smears and Britney/Paris ads, in saying one thing and doing another, in pandering the energy crisis away...
August 26, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's apparently correct in that assumption. He's pulled even with Obama in the polls.
August 26, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Blah Blah Blah Blah!! This moron is not saying anything new. I'd rather vote for a president that understands nuance rather than a President that will shoot first ask question later.
August 26, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm actually shocked he's spending so much time arguing that it was the right call to go into Iraq. This is not a fight McCain wants to have.
Although, I did like his line about being confused by questions. Pot, meet kettle.
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August 26, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is time for US to go after this unstable, unhinged, unprincipled, gold-digging, flip-flopping, lying elitist scumbag.
August 26, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama needs a serious ad campaign. Attack ads. Time to invest all of that campaign cash.
He is getting hammered by McCain -- even during the convention.
Politico reports that this McCain front group "Vets for Freedom" is launching a $1.1 million ad campaign called 'I am the surge'.
He cannot continue let McCain get days of free air time with more controversial ads. He must go on offense.
August 26, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hi everyone
My name is Cindy McCain. I am the wife of a POW.
I am here at the convention to introduce my husband,
the next Pow .. I mean president of the United states.
I met John not long after he was a POW, he was cheating on his wife at the time
because he had been a POW, and I just could not be prouder that he picked me.
It was a difficult time in the POW's ... I mean Johns life. You see he had to go home
to a wife who'd been badly injured in a car accident, now he had seen enough of these injuries when
he was a POW and felt it was his moral duty to divorce her. Oh sure he tried to work it out by having
sex with other women to save the marriage - but in the end it did not work because he was a POW.
I'd like to talk a little about myself and my accomplishments ....
I married a man who was a POW.
I was raised in a family with two sisters and I am an only child.
My father - who like John - the POW - cheated on and divorced his first wife,
he left me only one hundred million dollars when he died. Subsequently we have only been able to buy twelve houses,
Sadly it is not enough to keep John from feeling cooped up like a POW.
I lobby against mothers against drunk driving because I own a beer distributorship - those mothers should not threaten the
livelihood of a POW. Now you don't want to get John mad or he might call you a cunt - which he called me once in public.
Sadly it is because he was a POW, that may have been the low point of my life. But I bounced back and told people that
mother Teresa told me to adopt a child even though I just made that part up because John was a POW.
I could go on and on and on and on,
but just let me leave off tonight by saying thank you all, and thank God, that John was a POW.
August 26, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy shit. Hilarious.
August 26, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
This needs to be reprinted. Post it as a reader comment.
August 26, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice!
But we shouldn't laugh at Mr. Cindy McCain because he is a POW.
August 26, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem with this is that Cindy NEVER says his name. She constantly refers to him as "my husband" even when it results in horribly contorted syntax. I'm not sure what that might say about their relationship, but I doubt that it's healthy.
August 26, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a POW he was tortured by the use of his name John, and Cindy has learned that whenever she calls him John, he calls her a cunt...PTSD is like that you see.
August 26, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course we set a bad example for Russia. We invaded a country without provocation and killed tens of thousands (if not more) in the process. If John McCain thinks we actually have credibility on this argument, he's just as out to lunch as I thought.
August 26, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey watch it, he couldn't go out to lunch when he was a POW.
August 26, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain, et. al. are doing exactly what Obama, in his infamous SF comments, predicted typical politicians do. He is playing to the emotions of the electorate rather than addressing their problems. It is irrelevant whether or not we set a precedent for Russia because, by golly, America is right and proud! How dare Obama accuse us of not being so, especially since he has never been a POW!
August 26, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe the Obama campaign should start "feeling sorry for the poor old POW". Obama is not a good attacker, but he would be good showing pity. "John McCain comes from a generation when things were different in the world. And sometimes I feel bad for him, as he has a hard time recognizing the right type of action and language to use in today's foreign policy environment." I'm sure the campaign could come up with something better, but you get the idea.
August 26, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
The more I think about, the more I think this might be a good tactic. By constantly bringing up the POW card, he's already set the stage for people to feel sorry for him. Then every time he spouts off - "poor old John McCain, he just doesn't get it".
August 26, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain said this?: To promote stability and peace, America must stand firmly on the side of freedom and justice. The next president must bring to office a clear-eyed view of our nation's role in the world, as the defender of the oppressed and a force for peace.
Great words, yes, but McCain doesn't know what they mean.
It's the double-talk express's view of what is freedom, justice and our nation's role in the world that he gets all wrong.
No. McCain is not ready to lead.
August 26, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I didn't know it was from McCain I'd think it was an Obama endorsement.
August 26, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is a CT that Bush, Cheney and Co have looked at the sealed McCain POW tapes and records and are using it against him. Basically McCain will get elected as a figure head but BushCo will still run the Country sorta like Putin is doing in Russia.
August 26, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've heard a better one: Obama is really a Republican shill whose one and only objective was to sandbag Clinton (the only Democrat they feared), and then hand the election over to the McCain puppet. Part One is done. The way Obama has (not) come out fighting against the smears and negative campaigning, it would appear that Part Two is not far behind.
August 26, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boy Schmedley, the only thing missing is how the jihadist programmed BHO.
August 26, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm, now that would explain alot. It's almost as if mcbush is a puppet saying and doing things that are totally out of character from just a few years ago. I don't know if that one is that far off. As opposed to the baloney "maverick," mcbush really is the manchurian candidate, with the strings being pulled by rove et al.
August 26, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
See, this is what these guys think "patriotism" means. For them, "patriotism" is entirely about a kind of gut-level atavistic "blood and soil" spinal-reflex jingoism. Anyone who, when discussing his patriotism feels the need to discuss the country's ideals or national character, or engages in any kind of intellectual activity higher than that displayed by a couple of male lungfish engaged in a bout of territorial grunting, is just one step removed from treason in their world.
August 26, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, it is all caveman primal. Primitive heathens.
August 26, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You caught McCain's POW-POW-POWing in there, we trust."
WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! John McCain was a P.O.W.?!?!? How did I miss that? Why does he never talk about it?
August 26, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because he's "reluctant."
August 26, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uhm, John, you obviously do NOT catch Senator Obama's drift. It probably has something to do with the fact that you were a POW. Obama was expressing the point that when we go around the world saying that it's wrong to invade other countries, we can't claim the high moral ground on that issue. He did not say (or imply) that our invasion of Iraq caused Russia's invasion of Georgia. Of course, logic and reason have no place in a former POW's speeches... everyone knows that.
August 26, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I think mcbush is doing us a favor by constantly riding the pow bandwagon. Voters will get tired of it and hopefully see it for what it is. He would have been better off doing what he did in 2000 and not emphasize it. He is talking about it way, way, way too much. It really is a noun, a verb and pow. Mcbush has gone way overboard.
By the way, another plug for the daisy ad, because "these are the stakes." Mcbush has many screws loose as evidenced by his statements. The daisy ad would reinforce that.
August 26, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would love to see a 527 commercial ala "Daisy" against mcsenileoldfart and bushco.
August 26, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
One of the many differences between McC and BHO: BHO never gives a speech that was obviously written by somebody who's smarter than he is.
August 26, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
All the crap about Obama's confidence and ambition is a not too subtle way of calling him uppity. And McCain knows it.
It's time to take the gloves off.
August 26, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barack Obama has within him the audacity of hope. John McCain is audacious and a dope.
John McCain has now become a tool of his campaign. It is clear that he has sacrificed himself and his message to the altar of selfishness and greed for power.
His accusations on Barack Obama are outlandish. I think that the Democrats have problems responding to the McSchmidt attacks (as delivered by the Republican nominee/tool) because they make no sense.
August 26, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I seem to remember it used to be considered good form for candidates to chill during their opponents' convention weeks. Has that changed, or am I misremembering?
August 26, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good form (and taste) went out with the Reagan ascendency.
August 26, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, yes. Thanks for the reminder. ;)
August 26, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's acceptance speech:
"POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW."
August 26, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
, , and
This is what the Bushie's have brought to our world...we brought Iraq peace and a defender against opression. I guess that is why they are demanding that set timetables to get the fuck out of there...We are the invaders and are oppressing the people of Iraq! This man is so dangerous and delusional. We must bring Obama to the world's table to break bread and make peace for all!
August 26, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow that was freaking awful. Someone needs to give that man some meds and send him directly to one of his 7 or is it 8 beds?
August 26, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain has confidence in himself, but not his home state.
His poll numbers are less than impressive there, which is why he's still giving speeches in Phoenix in late August.
August 26, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am so sick of John McCain -- how can ANYBODY stand him - even Republicans? They must be busting at the gut to say something nasty about him but they know they can't for fear of hurting his chances.
McCain is so full of HATE and self centered with his talk about HIS POW status. Now he's claiming America is the ONLY nation that stopped the cold war? Give me a break. talk about an ego?
August 26, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's too bad the 160 plus men from the Forrestal will never have confidence in anything again because McCain wet started his plane.
August 26, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude McCain, whose party was in the White House when Russia invaded Georgia? Was the fact that Russia felt it could get away with invading Georgia a sign that maybe GOP foreign policy and international leadership is not up to the task?
August 26, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh damn, I totally missed that! If he starts subliminal POWing, all hope is lost.
August 26, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, there is a lot of money being spent on anti-Obama ads.
However...
The RNC is spending all of the money that would usually be reserved for downticket races on these ads. The intent is to smear Obama, depress voter turnout, and create a set of "apathy coattails" that will carry McCain to the Presidency and stem the tide of Congressional losses. This is the best strategy they have. Consider that, and then compare that to past strategies where a few million on Swft Boat ads could sink an entire campaign until it was close. The RNC has already outspent that outlay and is not raising enough to maintain the outlay. Too much overhead.
August is almost over and no real damage has been done. The polls are being slanted to present an illusion of horse-race, but is continuing the "likely voters" lie that perpetuates the RNC-favored outcome of a depressed voter turnout. The polls are not gauging new voters, voter registration, percentage of new Dems versus new Reps and other factors that could impact and legitimize political demographics. Don't believe the hype.
Soon, we will also see the effects of McCain's VP choice. The best scenario for McCain is that he picks a fundie lunatic... even though the base would rather have the lunatic than McCain. The worst scenario is that he picks Giuliani or Romney, either of whom will alienate the voting base. McCain has to continue throwing blood-red meat at a base that just isn't all that threatened about Obama. And red meat costs money that McCain does not have,
August 26, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
More proof that McWar is stuck in the 20th Century and can only view the world through the lense of endless war.
To bad the cdonflict today is mostly economic. And we are losing that fight due to McCain-Bush economics.
August 26, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would the McCain of 2000 vote for the McCain of 2008?
August 26, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
We won the cold war?
The other guys went bankrupt and collapsed. That's not what I consider winning, especially since we didn't do much better.
August 26, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
"And if he really thinks that, by liberating Iraq from a dangerous tyrant, America somehow set a bad example that invited Russia to invade a small, peaceful, and democratic nation, then he should state it outright - because that is a debate I welcome."
Funny, I thought we went into Iraq because they had WMD's.
If McPOW wants to argue that the Iraq war was a great idea, I would think that's a debate we all should welcome.
August 26, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
the following article needs to be used to hammer McCain and to bring up the contrast of Michelle vs Cindy when they start with the elitist shit again.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2008012018_mccainbeer23.html
I'll bet Michelle Obama supports M.A.D.D.
I'll bet most (all?) mothers in America support the work that M.A.D.D. does.
Why does Cindy McCain hate America's children?
[note: I think every campaign attack should end with some similar ridiculous question until the repubs stop doing the same. good for goose...gander, yadda yadda yadda...]
August 26, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another tactic the Obama campaign can take is to basically embrace McCain's POW story and drive it into the ground, diluting it's value as a trump card. Then use it as a segue to show instances of McCain double talk.
Run a series of ads called "Who is John McCain?"
All of them can make the point that we know he was a POW during Vietnam, but where does he stand on Social Security?
Does he believe in Social Security (show a clip of him supporting it) or believe it should be eliminated (show a clip of him deriding it).
Where does he stand on immigration?
Where does he stand on torture?
Where does he stand on taxes?
Where does he stand on choice?
etc, etc.
If we can't trust what John McCain tells us about his beliefs, why should we trust him with our future?
Follow that formula for as many issues as necessary, and then end each with the "Double Talk Express" tag line.
August 26, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Given his much-heralded military career, it is hard to understand how John McCain could oppose the Webb GI Bill.
We need to understand that the stuff that many American kids are facing in Iraq is much tougher than what John McCain experienced in Hanoi.
August 26, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is a slimeball. He has everyone so snowed right now. Hopefully, we can shine some light on him in the next two months.
August 26, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can't directly attack McWar's years without a kitchen table -- but Biden (or Webb, or Murtha, or Clark) can damn well attack his dismal legislative record on veterans affairs.
Yo, John, riddle me this: How can it be that a POW-hero scores DEAD LAST among US Senators on the Disabled American Vets' legislative scorecard?
http://dav.capwiz.com/dav/scorecard.xc?chamber=S&state=US&session=1092&x=14&y=9
How can it possibly be that the DAV gives John McPOW a score of 20% -- while his hate-the-troops opponent scores 80%?
...John, why do your disabled brothers-in-arms hate POWs?
LK
August 26, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
You realized, of course, that if Obama had phrased it in a way that had emphasized America's role in ending the cold war, McCain would be attacking him for insulting our alies.
It really doesn't matter what Obama says. McCain's going to attack. This is a campaign that has absolutely zero need for logical consistency.
August 26, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly right. They have decided they are going to attack everything regardless, so there's really nothing Obama can do to diffuse that strategy.
Hopefully the public will grow weary of this "attack du jour" strategy and tune them out.
Though a little preemptive attacking by Obama would be nice too.
August 26, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what is McCain saying? He believes in his country, but not himself?
August 26, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I certainly hope and trust that the Obama campaign plans to engage in the same kind of relentless daily assault against McCain DURING THE WEEK OF THE GOP CONVENTION that McCain's campaign is right now waging against Obama.
August 26, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I cannot read anymore about what he says and nor hear any more commercials of his. The MSM is pathetic, and frankly, to have polling this close is enough to depress anyone, it certainly has me. Add Clinton backers into that mix, who obviously care more about a female for President (reverse sexism) than their country, and, well, I'm done.
August 26, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Depressing, isn't it, this reality of ours?
August 26, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Horrible. And despite what anyone says, I think the Gallup polls are reflecting bigotry in America is strong. And hateful ads by McCain can affect people?! Dumb, dumb Americans.
August 26, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have begun to recognize that the image we had of McCain was just that--an image. I don't think he was ever a maverick. His decisions in life show no character, nor does his campaign. He's just a fake who has used the POW thing to get a free ride. Without it, he would have been nothing.
Biden is going to find a way to rip McCain apart. That's why he was chosen. Nobody thought it was going to be easy to elect the first AA. The fight has just begun.
August 26, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Debra, he is old, he has gaffes beyond countable, he has been caught lying many times, and now he is ahead in the polls? Obviously STUPID people are going to vote for this jerk, and they will get what they deserve. Thank goodness I am in my 50's so he cannot draft me, take my social security, and I have decent health care, even though I pay $920 a month for it. But then, when I think of my kids and grandkids, how sad.
August 26, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know people 15 years older than him that are smarter, more aware of the world, and physically more capable. Quit using age as a put down. You're doing a disservice to a lot of people. Age isn't the big problem. His mental faculties are the problem. Just because you're older doesn't mean you're stupid and useless so get over it. If you're lucky you'll eventually get to be old and then you'll know what a pile of crap this "old" business is. Hate McCain because he's a liar, not because he's old. You just end up sounding young, stupid, and arrogant.
August 26, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is proving to be the worst that this country offers.
He's a habitual liar and most likely has been his whole life. As a child he probably was given the benefit of the doubt and certain privileges because he was the son of an admiral. If he was in school with children of military officers the other kids had to watch what they said because of his father's power. I know what this is like. And I've seen kids of the military elite use their "power" to get what they want. And I've seen how incredibly mean and nasty they can be.
As a man he used woman as toys, just one of the boys.
And when he returned from Vietnam he continued his pattern of lying and abuse. While he cheated on his wife and children how many lies did he tell to all the woman he was sleeping with? Did he tell them "I was a POW. I didn't have a table. My wife doesn't understand me. My children don't love me." What lies did he tell the future Mrs. McCain to get on her gravy train? What lies has he continued to tell her over the years to stay on that same train?
The flip flopping is bad enough, but this country can't afford 4 more years of lying. We've had that for the past 7.5 years.
Liar: deceiver, fibber, perjurer, false witness, fabricator, equivocator; fabulist; informal storyteller
Sounds like McCain to me.
August 26, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Applying McCain's standard of analysis to his own speech ... even the first line of the excerpt is a disaster:
America had only one day as the free world's leader? Only one moment?
Why does John McCain hate America?
August 26, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think we need to redefine the meaning of 'country.' Right now McCain owns this word. We have an opportunity to take the power of that word away from him. McCain 'country' is the country of the rich and corporations. When actually the country is really you, and me and our neighbors and friends.
August 26, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Geez. How can he have "spent the Cold War as a guest of one of our adversaries?" Was he a POW in Russia? Does he think Russia and Vietnam are/were the same thing? Or does he really think that the Cold War was some sort of face-off between Democracy, on the one hand, and Communism, on the other, and we were fighting it in Vietnam and Laos?
August 26, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
They are just stupid!!!
August 26, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I need a picture of McCain with Bratwurst sticking out his ears,....because that's the picture I get when he starts twisting other people's words and starts mind reading what Obama meant. Did he wait 2 weeks to come up with this crap?
August 26, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
The response should be to point out that this is basically a neo-con manifesto from McCain: that we can and should use America's military to rearrange the world however we want it, allies and international laws be damned. This could have come from Bolton, Feith or Cheney.
We, on the left, need to highlight McCain's 20-year ties to Chalabi, the Iranian double agent who tricked us into a war that helped Iran enormously and harmed us(trumps Ayers by a mile), plus his eagerness to invade Iraq immediately after 9-11, which even preceded Bush's. We need to remind people that McCain has been saber-rattling endlessly for war in Iran, wants to stay in Iraq (despite our agreement to the timetable), wants a surge in Afganistan, and now he's puffing out his chest at Russia. America needs to know whether he's bluffing or whether he really wants to go to war with all these countries at once.
He's not the maverick who went along with the neo-cons out of loyalty to the Republican party; he is, himself, the quintessential neocon. He longs for World War III because he'd rather see the US destroyed than admit that we need allies and good will in the world. (But I still think he's a patriot, of course).
McCain is, like all neocons, an insecure bully, whose first response to any challenge is to bluster and bluff and threaten to bomb bomb bomb.
Biden needs to reiterate his great axiom: "Big countries can't bluff."
August 26, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quoting Heinrich Heine may be elitist of me, but if we were to change some of the nouns in this quote would it not be apt today:
"We Germans were ordered to be patriots and we became patriots, for we do everything our rulers order us to do. One must not think of this as patriotism, however, as the same emotion which bears this name here in France. A Frenchman’s patriotism means that his heart is warmed, and with this warmth it stretches and expands so that his love no longer embraces merely his closest relative, but all of France, the whole of the civilized world. A German’s patriotism means that his heart contracts and shrinks like leather in the cold, and a German then hates everything foreign, no longer wants to become a citizen of the world, a European, but only a provincial German."
Terribly prescient for a guy that died in 1856.
He owns this one, too:
"Ordinarily he was insane, but he had lucid moments when he was merely stupid."
August 26, 2008 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain doesn't even have faith in himself, much less his country or he wouldn't keep bringing up the same crap from the 60's over and over again.
Character issues: Keating 5, Having affair and leaving injured wife, being told by staff to not be around a certain female who seemed to have too much interest in him and vice versa, constant changing of what he BELIEVES, not just in speech contents.
I wonder, for instance, how many people think he is a complete "right to life" person, how many think he takes the more rational "it's the woman's choice" position, and how many think he's proabortion.
I'm not sure McCain even knows where he stands.
And this is the guy we are having a hard time defeating. That's hard to believe.
August 26, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
McSame: The Cold War ended not because the world stood "as one," but because the great democracies came together, bound together by sustained and decisive American leadership.
let's see... "the great democracies came together, bound together"
You mean... AS ONE?
oh wait, it's not his fault he doesn't understand grammar. He was a POW.
August 27, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I detected this jealousy the minute the firt ad with "celebrity" came out! He is such a "Has Been" and cannot come to terms with it. He represents a state of total denial of himself, the status of the country, the war. . . you name it! Unfortunately but very definitely not presidential material.
August 27, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink