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McCain Campaign Officially Endorses Lieberman's Claim That Obama Hasn't "Put Country First"

Okay, this is significant -- the McCain campaign appears to be officially endorsing Joe Lieberman's claim earlier today that Barack Obama has not always "put the country first."

Below we linked to an item on The New York Times Caucus blog which reported the comments.

In them, Lieberman said that the choice in this election is "between one candidate, John McCain, who has always put the country first, worked across party lines to get things done, and one candidate who has not."

Just moments ago, the McCain campaign emailed out the same Lieberman quote to its full press list -- putting its official stamp of approval on Lieberman's assertion.

This is effectively an abandonment of the campaign's quasi-official position, which used to be that the McCain camp saw questioning Obama's patriotism as off limits. Last month, senior McCain adviser Charlie Black said explicitly that "we don't want to talk about his patriotism and character. We concede that he's a patriot and person of good character."

That no longer appears to be operative. The full quote as emailed out by the McCain campaign after the jump.

"I think it's 84 days from now that the people of America are going to choose their next president. And it's a big choice, because we know these are tough times at home economically, and dangerous times in the world. And in my opinion, the choice could not be more clear; between one candidate, John McCain, who has experience and has been tested in war and tried in peace, and another candidate that has not. Between one candidate, John McCain, who has always put his country first, worked across party lines to get things done, and one candidate that has not. Between one candidate that's a talker and one candidate who's the leader America needs as our next president. You never know -- we never know what crisis will occur in the four years of his watch; we've just seen over the last few days, as the Russians invaded a sovereign nation, Georgia. And watch the response of this man, John McCain, to that crisis: right, strong, clear, principled. The kind of president we need in the White House over the next four years, to protect our country, our security, and our freedom ..."

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Like we didn't know they were scumbags?? McCain's campaign is pitiful.

Country first?

Was John McCain putting his country first when he was one of 90 House members to oppose establishing a federal holiday for Martin Luther King, Jr.?

Was John McCain putting his country first when he was one of 28 Senators who voted to strip funding from the MLK commission?

Was John McCain putting his country first when in 1990 he opposed the bipartisan Civil Rights Act of 1990?

Was John McCain putting his country first when in 1993 he voted not to table the patent extension to the United Daughters of the Confederacy?

Was John McCain putting his country first when in 1993 he voted against the bipartisan landmark "Motor Voter" law?

Was John McCain putting his country first when in 1993 he voted against the bipartisan abortion clinic violence law?

Was John McCain putting his country first when he voted against the minimum wage increases in 1989 and 1996, which passed with 62 and 74 votes, respectively?

Was John McCain putting his country first when last year he voted to repeal effectively the minimum wage law?

Was John McCain putting his country first when he voted against extending unemployment benefits during the 1991 recession and the 2003 economic recovery?

Was John McCain putting his country first when in 1997 he co-sponsored a bill to abolish the Department of Energy?

Your mistake is that you forgot which country McCain is talking about.

He not talking about America. He's talking about Sean Hannity's America, the best m*****f**king nation that God ever created on the face of the earth ever.

McCain and Traitor Joe serve as leaders of Dumbfuckistan, dedicated to ignorance, racism, unemployment, wars and deficits.

Yes I believe he was putting the country first in opposing a federal holiday for MLK. Should we make it a federal holiday for everyone who gets killed? Or just those who are a minority? I can think of much greater men who don't have holidays.
Yes, Yes and Yes we need to stop funding for things that do not benefit the majority, after all this is a democracy.
At lease he was in government to be able to even vote in 1990, 1993 and 1996 unlike his opponent.

McCains wife has more experience to be president than Obama.

With Russia invading Georgian territory recognized boarders Obama did not even have enough guts to take a stand and speak against the aggressor. The whole purpose of the united nations is to keep larger countries from taking over smaller countries.
Is this an example of what he will do to protect us?

Scary

It's been well-documented all over the Internet today that the "aggressor" was Georgia. "Misha" thought he could just prance into S. Ossetia and take it over without consequences. There has even been speculation that they may have been encouraged to take that step because they thought we had their back, but I don't really know that to be a fact.

So, while John McCain was saber-rattling with nothing to back him up, Obama suggested diplomacy instead and - Guess what? - when France's Sarkozy went to Moscow today, DIPLOMACY was precisely what he used, and the violence ended.

Well documented? What the hell are you talking about. Russia crossed the boarders of Georgia trying to take back parts of Georgia that was lost at the fall of the Soviet Union! Georgia did not cross the boarders into Russia. If canada crossed into the boarders of Alaska and the United States fought back, would the US be considered the agressor? I think you better check your well documented facts once again. Also, Obamamma said for Georgia to back down when McCain said for Russia to stop invading and for everyone to stop! Then negotiate. Every member of NATO told Russia to stop. Once the fighting stopped then the assistance to negotiate was offered. I don't know where you are getting your information from.

Well we can see where you get your info, at least! You rely on Cheney-esque propaganda.

Well sorry yababysdaddy, why all the nastiness just because someone gave you the facts. Georgia was shelling a break away area in Georgia filled with Russians in order to increase their legislative majority by ethnic cleansing. Those are the facts. Anyway, aside from all of that, it is obvious that GW sat blithely by in China and let it all happen. After all, he was just too busy with the Olympics to bestir himself and fight for out security till he had planned to fly home on his schedule. All this turmoil on the Bush watch just shows how hopelessly incompetent the guy is. He has turned our country into a paper tiger. He could not even run down and arrest a two-bit monster like Ben Laden in spite of his silly "Mission Accomplished" sign and his trumped up fly in. Now years later with the trumped up war in Iraq and billions spent in wars and war profiteering, we are not even back to where we started. And note, McCain supports this insanity.

hey self-loathing person, whomever you are...McCain is 25 YEARS OLDER than Obama, so he naturally has had more time to do things in life, including accomplishments and failings in whatever abundance, by this mere FACT. so get a clue, not my brother, and object to Obama for substantive reasons, if you must, but not for petty and superficial things. including his birth year and time which he had no control over. idiot.

Yes let us have a look at the McCain life experiences. Graduated from Naval Academy 10th from the bottom of his class, I believe, already with a record of discipline incidents and womanizing, then his PUBLIC life first as a Representive including the Keating 5 nasty scandal. Then more womanizing while in the military. Then off to fly in vietnam where he was shot down. Then the one bright spot in his life, his POW experience gave us all the hope that he could finally be responsible. But alas, he returned after his release from the POW camp only to dump his disabled wife for a rich lady. And speaking of the rich lady, he persists in humiliating her by calling her a C*** on microphone so all the world can hear. Then he offers her up as a contestant in a topless and often bottomless beauty contest. Then of course, there is his attendance record first as a
Representative and then as a Senator, his blab about no lobbyists yet his entire campaign staff was full of lobbyists. God protect our country from electing this guy you claim ts such a paragon of virtue. God help us if this guy ever becomes our president. His record is abysmal

definitely let's give more tax cuts to rich people, since people are the majority. wait, only 1% make over 200K/year?

and starting a war with Russia is not a good idea, no matter how much you like getting other people's kids killed.

Candy Cane:

Your support of racism and "experience," even the wrong kind, is exactly the type of blind loyalty Traitor Joe, Karl Rove and McCain count on.

Your comment: "McCains wife has more experience to be president than Obama" is the type of ignorance this country needs. What experience exactly were you referring to - lying about the existence of half-sister, overdosing on pills, helping to cover up her husband's affairs or denying his friendship with Charles Keating and his arm-twisting to assist Keating to bypass regulations?

And this is classic!

"With Russia invading Georgian territory recognized boarders Obama did not even have enough guts to take a stand and speak against the aggressor." So McCain's quick temper promising war was the right call? Or his about face calling for diplomacy two days later? Or were both right?

"Is this an example of what he will do to protect us?"

And John McCain protects us how? By keeping us bogged down in Iraq for 100 years?

"Scary"

Truer words were never spoken.
PS - "boarders" ?


I wish you could go on the political talk show circuit to point all these things out! You won't hear the MSM talking about any of your well-taken points. It might dispel the "McCain Myth"!

On the other hand, if your schedule won't allow you to do the talk show circuit, maybe you could just post this all over the WWW?!

Actually all of the above charges more than prove that McCain is an outright racist. It may interest you to know that Arizona, a western state, had a very rare segregation history that was not rescinded until Brown vs Board of Education was decided by the Supreme Court. Although mandatory in some major cities such as Tucson, most of the Arizona segregation history resulted from a State law affirming Segregation.
Eventually Arizona law gave the school districts the option to integrate or to segregate. The Supreme Court Segregation decision, Brown v Board of Education clearly outlawed the practice of even voluntary use of Segregation. The "separate but equal" doctrine used to justify segregation no longer was legal. In fact, there never has been separate but equal schools in any state. The legal reduction of individual rights by Arizona history of segregation always affects all the races, the favored one as well as any minority group segregated out of the mainstream population. I think the treatment of Blacks, Hispanics and American Indians throughout Arizona's history has profoundly affected McCain and has led to his racist point of view.

I would rather be a scumbag than an arab racist pretending to be black just to get black votes.

Sad

I love the new avatar, gotalife!

And your proof is? BTW you got the scumbag racist part correct.

Right and Lieberman has sold his soul to the Devil. He is so anti Middle Easterners unless they are conservative Jews. Lieberman is essentially a racist. A very sad thing since he, of all people, should know how it feels to have peo0ple relate to a person only based on the person's feelings of racial prejudice. It amazes me that Lieberman has fallen so far. He is a disgrace to the Jewish people, not my words but from many of my Jewish friends. Poor thing has become hate filled and he has sold his soul to the neocons. I guess it was his thinking to join the neocons even after they tried to shred his reputation when he was on the Democratic ticket. What a poor, pathetic, sad person.

Care for examples?

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There are many examples, but first you must understand the context. McCain and Lieberman believe we live in the United States of Exxon. Therefore Obama, since he doesn't push for more tax breaks for Exxon, does not put country first.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I thought they were talking about Israel.

You forgot about Obama wanting to resend current tax breaks for hard working Americans, add taxes to the sale of your personal home which is now exempt up to 250k in profits per person and increase inheridance tax which is savings that taxes were already paid by your parents. Get a life! Rasing taxes on the hard working citizens is not an answer!
Only a looser would back a candidate who wants to take money from hard working americans and give it to people who sit on their rear end and live off of the system with one excuse after another.

LOOSER!

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How loose do you have to be to qualify as a "looser"?

Loooose

I do not know what universe you get your info from but it is totally inaccurate. You seem to have some very wrong info. But I find that somewhat universal with the McCain supporters. I hope you take the trouble to get better factual information.

One can always tell when someone's argument gets shaky, they always name call. Sad, sad to see someone stoop to that.

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You might want to go back to third grade and learn how to spell. I think you meant rescind, loser, and border in previous posts. But, then I guess not being able to spell is probably typical of McCain supportersโ€”and a general reflection of their intelligence (meaning lack thereof).

Remember how the GOP came out guns ablazin' when Clark rightly criticized McCain and questioned his ability to lead? Obama needs a similar response and his surrogates need to demand examples.

The next question for a reasonable journalist to ask McCain and Liberman is: how has Obama not put the country first?

If they can't answer this question clearly, then, Liberman's word is another platitude.

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We don't have many reasonable journalists left.

They've been replaced by the likes of Cokie Roberts and Sally Quinn.

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no

the first question would involve the word "Songbird"

the second question would involve the words "Keating 5"

and then we can ask how mcsame put America first when he finished 892 out of 897 at Anapolis

mcsame's head should pop midway thru the third question

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Do you think, maybe, some journalist ought to ask Lieberman what he is talking about. Something like "hey Joe you are claiming Obama hasn't always put country first, you care to give us a specific example of a time when Obama didn't put country first?" I bet he mealy mouths the answer.

Right out of the horses mouth. Obama stated in his published book that he would back Muslims if they were in conflict with the US.

"Obama stated in his published book that he would back Muslims if they were in conflict with the US."

He never said that shitstain..

Your arguments would be more believable if you based them on some facts. Sorry, most of us have a copy of the Obama book and we can check your statements.

Where are the surrogates? Why are they not hitting Liberman's back on this false charges

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They probably are and the media is not covering it.

Just a guess.

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The answer is not to respond on this with some mealy-mouthed charge about how this is beneath them. The answer is to pivot and slam Lieberman and McCain for all the bullshit they've pulled and policies they've supported and question THEIR patriotism.

http://strategy08.wordpress.com

Exactly.

The Obama campaign now has the exact right time to absolutely plaster McCain on his Veterans votes.

As they should!

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Greg, know where we can find a journalist?

John,

Please put the country first, and disavow these slimy campaign methods.

Please put the country first, and run a campaign you can be proud of - win or lose. A campaign that talks about issues and positions, that makes arguments, that address what you think - not one that just smears the other guy.

Please put the country first, John, rather than your own political ambitions.

Sincerely,

America

"Country First" creeps me out as a slogan.

Achtung!

Now shut up and be a good American.
Country First!

Jawohl, Mein Fuhrer!

Never fear
Metum's Near


McSame-Mentum 2008

To hell with Josh Marshall's boy Mitt


Eh. It's hard to take anyone who's been severely pimpslapped by Paris Hilton all that seriously.

Thats funny, who listens to a spoiled little rich girl who is stupid enough to get herself filmed sucking a big dick and put on the internet.

She is probably proud of that.

Hell, according to Clinton she did not even have sex with that guy!

Maybe she should be president. Stupid people like you would probably vote for her.

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That's the point, troll. Stupid little rich girl flattens McCain like a steamroller.

Is there a procedure to recall Connecticut senators? He was elected by lying about his future support for Democrats. That should be the basis for turning him out of office now.

No, state law does not apply and Federal Law does not allow for recall of Senators. He would already be shovelling shit in Sheboygan if such a modality did in fact exist.

god, that guy is creepy (in this instance, i mean lieberman).

i'm ashamed and disgusted with myself that i actually cast a vote for that guy 8 years ago. the self-loathing is eating me alive.

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8 years ago you had no choice and if you could go back in time you would do it again.

Remember, you were voting against Bush...

So they just throw this BS out there, hoping it will stick to enough idiots that will vote for McCain because of it.

Do these distinguished, honest, beyond reproach gentlemen even say what Barak Obama has done to not put his country first?

No, that's not necessary when you're relying on the stupidity of the voting public.

That's all these sad bastards have left.

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What they are relying on is that no reporter will actually ask them for examples. Up tell now their reliance on their contempt for the press has been justified. It seems nobody will ask them to put up or shut up.

We've got reporters and opinionists.

Not many investigative journalists around these days.

Obama is putting his country first!! Don't you remember his speach. All 57 states! You know the 57 states of Isreal.

Love the new asshat!

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Greg, this isn't exactly the first time they've attacked his patriotism.

I'd say accusing Obama of wanting America to lose a war is an attack on patriotism.

http://strategy08.wordpress.com

I totally agree with that assessment.

The next time Obama has to grab Lierman by the hand and walk him into the corner on the floor of the Senate, I would strongly suggest he include a swift kick in the gonads! If Joe has any left!

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Or have him get Jesse Jackson to do it.

Ouch!

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I was glad to see the Obama campaign start using a good old-fashioned word like "lie" the other day.

Now, I think it's about time for Democrats to bring back another good old-fashioned word. For too long, we've been allowing principled conservatives to be lumped in with these creeps. Let's start calling Lieberman and McCain and all their war mad pals what they really are - fascists.

Try oligarch, bluebell.

So, at what point does Lieberman get ostracized from the party?

I think calling into question the Democratic nominee's dedication to his country is a terminable offense.

Today John McSame told Saakashvili that we are "all Georgians today"


In 2001, the same War Party crowd told me that I'd become Israeli

Got news for these dipshits

American then
American today

Been to Georgia many times, never been an Israeli

Was it "country" or "party" he was putting first when he voted with President Bush 95% of the time?

Where is the Obama campaign with a powerful statement knocking Liebermans head off and shoving his teeth into his eye sockets? The Obama campaign is so pitiful when it comes to attacking these repugnant cretins. If Obama is not going to rip the scalp from McCainโ€™s head off then just go home. Maybe Obama is wondering why he sent the 527's home. Obama got rid of the only people who were knowing, willing and able to eviscerate McCain. Obama wont.

Itโ€™s like a quarterback getting rid of his offence line when his opponent is blitzing on every down.

Lets all watch as the media buys into this narrative. If someone from the Obama camp made such an outrageous statement the media would circle the wagons around McCain and go into protection mode.

Hey, didn't Obama challenge Medvedev to a game of HORSE to end the Russian invasion. I mean, c'mon, roundball diplomacy. Booyah!

I heard Medvedev countered that "Bowling for Georgia" was the only option.

"I heard Medvedev countered that "Bowling for Georgia" was the only option."

..that was only after he over-stated sniper fire.

Wonder if Obama was saying the Pledge of Allegiance while attending that Indonesian Islamic Madrassa?

"Wonder if Obama was saying the Pledge of Allegiance while attending that Indonesian Islamic Madrassa?"

I wonder if reprehensible smear merchants, who get debunked on a daily basis, come ever come across semi coherent?

he won't even say the pledge of allegiance in america so we know the answer to that already.

"he won't even say the pledge of allegiance in america so we know the answer to that already."

..shut the fuck up idiot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fx16ZxFB4w

saw that youtube! It only came after he was criticized for not putting his hand on his heart and saying the pledge before. Even in this youtube you are using as a reference he states "I already thought we said the pledge" Most Americans would not have to think about that. About as effective as when your mother had to tell you to say please. If you can't say it because you mean it and because you have to be told to say it, who cares! I love you, the check is in the mail and I won't cum in your mouth!

"It only came after he was criticized for not putting his hand on his heart and saying the pledge before."

Cockstain, there are existing pictures of Obama saying the pledge before the clip I already provided: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/11/01/PH2007110101368.jpg
http://www.thepresidentialcandidates.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/barackpledgeofallegiance.jpg
Try not to be so fucking desperate.

"I love you, the check is in the mail and I won't cum in your mouth!"

..sperm references from a bona fide sperm receptacle is rather rich. Its ok, I beat your ass this time, come back for more and I'll give you an additional pummelling.

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Hold on just a minute!

With whom does Lieberman have any remaining credibility?

Mr. Lieberman:

Thanks for confirming the obvious.

You are a douchebag.

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OT: Mike Myers sends McBush a C&D:

On Monday, the McCain campaign released a Web video called โ€œFan Clubโ€ that features a clip from โ€œWayneโ€™s Worldโ€ with Mike Myers and Dana Carvey doing their trademark โ€œWeโ€™re not worthy!โ€ line.

While Hilton poked fun at her cameo, Myers was less amused.

According to the McCain campaignโ€™s blog, Myers had his people call McCainโ€™s people to take down the ad with threats of legal action. It workedโ€“itโ€™s not available on YouTube anymore.

Story here.

How is it that they never actually get clearance to use any of these people's clips? I mean, that's the FIRST thing you do, right?

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Maybe they think "Wayne's World" is an Orphan Work, ripe to be plundered.

Thanks Joe, your exhuberance has forced me to donate to Obama again.
Keep it up.

Stay klassy, Repubs. And, yes, I'm including that dunce LIEberman in that august group.

Hi, by the way. It's my first post, though I've been lurking for a bit. You have saved me from the bowels of Salon. Eeek.

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Hello, Miss Starry Night! Welcome to the foodfight!

Loserman.

Even the wingnutz had it right at one time.

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Game on! I think it's time that these War Criminals get their asses handed to them. Not only have they divided this country in a time where we should be more united than ever,....they have lost the world's respect for the US to a point where it's pathetic how ineffective our diplomacy is.

Aw nice! Now we're stuck with that hideous mug shot until tomorrow's morning roundup.

You ObaAsswipes are the funniest thing on the web!
I don't know what's better:
Your basic insipid Lefty platitudinous Pavlovian life or
Your consistent failure to keep up with the latest ObaFarts.
Granted, given the fact that Lawn Jockey in Chief keeps breaking his own record for da flipaflopa that latter is difficult.

To this latest absurdity from the bowels of Today'sPravdaMeme:
the Lieberliar is not saying Obama is not a "patriot".
He is saying that Hussein has too often put himself and his own ambitions before the good of the nation.
Those are not the same criticisms.
It is sad that you ObaAsswipes can only refute McCain/Lieberliar by in turn lying about what was actually said.
But this is a habit that "Oh he called me a nigger!" Hussein has practiced for years and it would seem that that the ObaIdiots have become infected with that disease as well.

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I'm fine. You first.

Thanks I could not have said it better! How can a country truly accept all its citizens equally when some of its citizens expect to be treated differently. Its ashame that the hard working black man who is proud to be an American is called a nigger because of a few stupid people. They make the rest of us look bad!

Get a job!

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You're as black as Brigitte Bardot, troll.

Its Mr Troll to you!

Back to propaganda skool for you. You weaken the strength of Mc Cain's "Obama is the real racist" anti-truth when you throw in "Lawn Jockey in Chief." You will never earn enough points for that Mc Cain Cattle prod you've been eyeing if you don't improve the quality of your rants.

You said:

"To this latest absurdity from the bowels of Today'sPravdaMeme:
the Lieberliar is not saying Obama is not a "patriot".
He is saying that Hussein has too often put himself and his own ambitions before the good of the nation.
Those are not the same criticisms."

I said: "Huh?"

Serious thread drift (hey, it's my job to get the news out there):

Obama's 'no income taxes on seniors' draws critics

The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, gave the idea bad grades in a recent study of the two presidential candidates' tax plans.

Even the powerful seniors' lobby doesn't seem excited about Obama's idea.

Tax experts across the spectrum also fault the Obama plan's abrupt $50,000 per year threshold.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080811/D92GAVIO0.html

Classy and thoughtful. Thanks for sharing.

As for Lieberman and McCain, we now know that they will attack a sitting U.S. Senator with a vicious smear. The question is, will the media blast them for it?

The other question is, if McCain rarely shows up to the Senate so that he can campaign and fundraise, how is that putting country first?

If a person does'nt perform their duty are they in office?
If I came from his home state and he did not fulfill his duties, I would have some concerns.
Where is the right wings concern with process, when we need it.

Fuck that prick.

Absolutely agree that everyone should read the Tax Policy Center review of the candidates tax plans and health insurance plans.

ABSOLUTELY. How many would vote for McCain if they read it? How many would who were planning to vote for McCain would have their eyes opened?

The top recruiting tool for the Obama campaign is the Tax Policy Center report. People are blown away by how much bigger the Obama tax cuts are for the working poor (~$100,000 a year or less). McCain takes tax breaks away from those making less than $100,000 a year and gives that and more to those making over $3 million a year.

McCain busts the federal budget. He will have a budget deficit 2 to 3x larger than Obama's.

McCain spends $1.3 Trillion over 10 years on his health care plan and it insures 2 million more people at the end of 10 years than are insured now.

Obama spends $1.6 Trillion over 10 years and insures 33 million more people. Gee, which seems better.

Why does McCain's plan insure so few? Employer sponsored health care is reduced as the federal government gives money to people to buy health insurance. People who used to have health insurance plans through their employers, now buy it on their own with taxpayer dollars. That's why no NEW people who don't already have insurance will get insurance under McCain's plan.

McCain has been taken care of by the government his whole life. He's never owned a business or really even WORKED for one. He just doesn't understand the private sector.

Wrong! I don't know about you but I don't want to wait 6 months for an operation I need now just because everyone has the same health care. I worked hard my whole life and pay 1200 a month for health care. I don't think I should be treated equally as the guy who never worked a day in his life and lived off of the system paying no taxes for the same operation. I was never given anything in my life and don't expect to be given free health care. This is the only country in the world that the more you work the more you can accomplish no matter what race, sex, color or religion. Stop worring about what other people have and start worring about how you can earn more for yourself. Only the educated can be free!
I feel insulted that Obama is trying to pass himself off as a black man. His mother was white and his father was an arab! Its sad he would use such a thing to jsut get black votes. I am not voting for McCain! I am voting against a lier and a racist! If that means I have to pull a lever for McCain so be it.

You're a fucking fool.

You've never been given ANYTHING in your whole life?
Really?

How did you get to work? Public Roads.

How did your silly ass not get robbed and shot in the street? Law Enforcement.

How did you have a hospital to go to even get the medical treatment you paid '$1200 a month' for?
Public funds built that hospital.

I could go on and on for days. People who think they did it all themselves and everyone else who didn't do what they did sicken me. You wouldn't be shit if it wasn't for the shared public goods that all of our tax dollars paid for. You wouldn't have the roads, clean water, waste removal, electrical grid, ports, etc. if it wasn't for our national infrastructure. You benefited from the collective work done by millions of Americans who came before you and put our country in the position to be successful and created the many things your ignorant ass takes for granted.

Put you somewhere without all that and let me see you fend for yourself. If you can do that, maybe then you could take shit. Otherwise, just appreciate what you've been given and try not to continue making an ass out of yourself.

I'm still waiting for Sen. Harry Reid to throw Joe Liberman out of the Democratic caucus...

Democrats, it is time to through this guy out of the senate caucus.

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"The Obama campaign now has the exact right time to absolutely plaster McCain on his Veterans votes."

"I'm still waiting for Sen. Harry Reid to throw Joe Liberman out of the Democratic caucus..."

And I'm still waiting for my personal atomic-powered jetpack that Popular Science promised me back in 1961.

The last item ain't any more likely to happen than the first two.

If the only reason he's kept in the caucus is to ensure a majority, perhaps they should think about the fact that they don't get anything done anyway, due to the non-majority Republicans filibustering everything.

Just kick him out. The Republicans take the majority? So what. Start filibustering.

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Don't underestimate how power to set the legislative agenda benefits the party that wields it.

Your suggestion = political suicide.

How does McCain's support of Lieberman's statement compute, given the stories I've read about McCain's cooperation with the North Vietnamese during his stay in Hanoi Hilton? Is he (or his handlers) setting himself up for payback on this score?

Joe Lieberman is just the fingernail on the blackboard, the hemorrhoid that Preparation-H won't help . . . best to ignore him in the belief that he actually does more to hurt McCain than help him.

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Between one candidate that's a talker and one candidate who's the leader America needs as our next president. You never know -- we never know what crisis will occur in the four years of his watch; we've just seen over the last few days, as the Russians invaded a sovereign nation, Georgia.

They claim one candidate's a talker and one's a leader, and demonstrate it by the crisis in Georgia, which McCain has responded to by... talking a lot.

Guess we know which is which now!

Well, when you come right down to brass tacks, when exactly HAS Obama put country first? When he was sitting there listening to Rev. Wrong, or cozying up to Adler and Dorhn? Or choosing NOT to wear a flag pin?

I know McCain's patriotic heroism as a POW, and how he bucks GOP party lines on issues like global warming, etc. to do what he thinks is right for the nation. But how about that Obama guy? I draw a blank.

Is McLame putting our country first when he keeps trying to get us into even more wars? I think not.
Just like his BFF Bush, it's political advantage over the country's best interests, every time.

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I'd say an Ivy League law grad who settles on the south side of Chicago to serve his community is doing more for his country than the guy who marries a beer heiress.

Ah, yes, the "Ballad of Barack Obama". I don't know about you, but given a choice between being tortured and beaten by the Viet Cong for 5 years, and organizing community bake-sales in Chicago, I'll take the latter. Although gosh knows he served his country heroically, sometimes organizing and such until past midnight. Much man.

Oh boy, here we go with the Larry Sinclair jive...

Boy, you sure have keen observation. I mean, everyone knows that patriotism means adherence to symbols only, right? Like a little flag pin. That says it all to me. If Obama doesn't wear one, geez, he must be...one of THEM!

Don't forget that he won't cross his heart to the pledge of allegiance. He removed the American flag from his airplane. Supports the 57 States! Will side with the Muslims if there is a clonflct with America???

Come on people he is not an american black man! I think he is a sleeper arab!

Even my 3rd grade grand daughter knows there are 50 states in the USA!

Carl Louis for President!

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Cross his heart?

Jeezus H... don't the Dems have anyone who could be running a little interference for Barack here?

Memo To Al Gore: You're the one who elevated this traitorous Connecticut whore into the national spotlight in the first place. Maybe it's time for you to do those polar bears and the rest of us a favor and bitch slap Joementum into next week.

Just a thought...

Don't hold your breath. Gore has done some good work, but basically he's all about Al Gore.

I'm surprised Joe Lieberman can still operate his lips... thought they would have been glued shut by the brown matter that stuck to them from kissing McSame's and other GOP cronies' hindends over and over and over!! If this isn't a sign of desperation from McSame's campaign I don't know what is. Just how stupid do they think the citizenry is?! Unfreakingbelievable!!

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You make a good point. I'm at a loss to imagine what constituency exists in which Lieberman's endorsement carries any weight. If anything, it hurts McCain. Does the McCain camp really think that the "Loserman" half of their cute little "Sore/Loserman" sobriquet from 8 years ago pulls any weight whatsoever with their own team, even?

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From the same folks who brought us "The Kiss" float: 30 foot inflatable rat awaits Lieberman at GOP convention.

I'm not all surprised by Sen.Losermann's comments. He's enjoyed the 'low-life' for quite sometime now.

These useless attacks for the most part have fallen on death ears. Voters are interested in issues not trivial garbage. So while Barack Obama focuses on the issues, McCain will continue watch his numbers free fall in the national and state polls.

All gloves are off now.


Jhoe Mcainberman

Do any of these morons have reflections when they look in a mirror? I'm thinking no.

McCain puts Georgia and lobbyists first.

So does this mean you believe its right for
Russia to invade a smaller country just because they can?

If that is the case maybe the US should invade all the smaller countries with oil and absorb them so we don't have to pay for the oil.

Instead of spouting off nonsense, why don't you try to educate yourself and learn the facts?

With regards to the Russia-Georgia conflict, try starting here:

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/russo_georgian_war_and_balance_power

Also, it irks me that you keep referring to Obama as an 'arab'.

First, it's demonstrably false. He is not.

Second, if he were, what would be wrong with it?

If you are black (as you claim) then you should be amongst the first to see and understand what would be wrong with looking down upon the man because of his ethnic heritage. Is an arab not human? What would make being arab such a bad thing in your eyes? Is it because you've been brainwashed to think of them as an enemy and you fear them? Does that mean you fear germans? british? They were all considered 'enemies' in this country at one time too. Or is it only those who are non-white that are to be feared? If you're going to throw out a slur, please do us the favor of explaining what is so bad about it in your view. For us enlightened folks, I see each ethnicity as just people so when you go 'he's an arab' to me it means 'he's a person' and I think: so? you're point is?

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Josรฉ es muy wackadoo . . . McCain is fucking insane.

Recessivist fascist plutocracy is as recessivist fascist plutocracy does.

This questioning of Obama's patriotism BS can't go unanswered. If Bill and his wife could stop whining like jilted prom queens, they might be of some use as surrogates.

Better yet, announce Hagel as your VP already. Then it's Game over.

Funny stuff on Bayh as discussed earlier today.

http://www.236.com/news/2008/08/11/i_want_to_be_number_two_evan_b_8231.php

I have a question. What does Lieberman want?

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Every last American in the army, navy, airforce, marines, Coast Guard, National Guard, Reserves, National Park Service, Customs Service, ICE, ATF, FBI, CIA, ... deployed abroad defending Israel from every other nation on the planet after we and they have alienated every other nation on the planet.

The only good thing about this strategy is that it leaves the back door open for a Canadian invasion and occupation.

He wants his buddy elected so he can get a choice cabinet spot.

I have even heard Vice President. I wish!!

This has seriously become redundant, not the cheapshot by the McCain campaign and Liberman, but our reactions to it.

We know what kind of campaign McCain decided to run once he realized he couldn't win with honor, or on the merits. McCain has finally "found his voice", and its the same old, same old. It's nothing new, but everytime it happens, we all have the same reaction. Based on the headline, I bet we all could write a transcript for how the thread will go and who will say what before anyone even post a response.

"Obama needs to hit McSame hard", "This is disgusting...Rove/Bush playbook", "the campaign is too slow", "Obama needs to counterpunch", "Why isn't the campaign responding quicker" It's like a continuous loop.

Well no more for me. I refused to sit here whining about what the Obama campaign is doing wrong, or about how the McCain campaign are slimeballs. I already donate regularly to the campaign, but now I'm going to become more involved than that. I'm gonna volunteer, maybe do some canvassing, register voters, or just talk up Obama to my family, friends, coworkers and foes, whatever it takes. No more chicken-littling.
Time to get more progressive.

How 'bout ya'll?

Totally agree. I am sick of hearing about it too. I am sick of seeing Lieberman's picture. Off to give money now.

Attention and revenge -- I'm not sure in what order. As he can get either, I suppose.

You forgot about Obama wanting to resend current tax breaks for hard working Americans, add taxes to the sale of your personal home which is now exempt up to 250k in profits per person and increase inheridance tax which is savings that taxes were already paid by your parents. Get a life! Rasing taxes on the hard working citizens is not an answer!
Only a looser would back a candidate who wants to take money from hard working americans and give it to people who sit on their rear end and live off of the system with one excuse after another.

LOOSER!

For somebody who claimed earlier in the thread that we need education to be free, I can only guess that you're posting from Burma this evening.

And it's LOSER, you fucking moron.

Let me fix that for you LOOOOSER!
I am posting from New Orleans Louisiana! A 3rd generation life long resident of the 9th ward, survivor of Hurricane Katrina. A man who grew up in a state with the 2nd to lowest educational system in the United States 2nd only to Mississippi. When I state only the educated can be free I am talking about taking advantage of the free education offered to all US citizens and the freedom of speech an knowledge of our government and the ability to make a difference. I am sorry you are so shallow to understand overemphasizing. If you want to critique my spelling I would think you could find many other words for examples that were not intentionally spelled incorrectly to get a point across.
Using your own words "You phucken moron"

This is fun. Next!

Which country are you talking about, Josephine, Israel or Israel?

McCain ALWAYS puts the country's lobbyists first, except, that is when there are foreign lobbyists with money. Then he chooses them.

I'd rather be looser than tighter.

The Obama campaign has to hit back HARD, even harder than when the McCain camp said he played the race card. They should make the statement something that will never be uttered by the McCain campaign again. IT'S THAT SERIOUS.

I'd rather be looser than tighter.

Seriously, though, whose Kool Aid are you drinking? Obama's tax plan has been shown by nonpartisan sources to decrease taxes for the middle class. The only groups getting tax breaks from McSame are the very wealthy (the elites, like John "six homes" McSame himself) and big corporations (especially big oil).

But don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.

Your crazy! How is repealing all the current tax breaks to the middle class better? how is taxing the profits on my personal residents sale better for the middle class? how is taxing my parents hard earned savings that I will inherit better? The people who will benefit the most are the people on the system. His unfair taxs on the middle class will ensure that there will still be free benefits for them to sit on their but and keep collecting my hard earned money.

For not being a fan of John McCain you sure are quoting a lot of his TV ads. As I've already suggested, do some research. (On Georgia, South Ossetia, AND www.factcheck.org)

Stop the spouting and, maybe, start listening.

John McCain:

Too old to be president.
Has a bad temper.
Thinks war is the only solution to foreign policy challenges.
In the pocket of the moneyed interests.
Has corporate lobbyists running his campaign.
Campaign manager was an agent for a foreign country.
Not too bright.
Hasn't shown up for work in months, but faults others in Congress for taking vacation.
Thinks energy conservation is for sissies.
Stuck in the Viet Nam era. Will probably re-start that war.
Doesn't know much about the economy.
Sponsored legislation that enabled energy speculation, i.e., Enron and $4 gas.
Was against torture before he was for torture.
Has too much money to be able to relate to regular people.
Cheated on his first wife.
Married second wife for money.
Claims to be a regular guy.
Is guilty of most of the things he accuses the other guy of, only 1000x worse.
Has really been in Washington way too long.
For someone who has been in DC so long, he's had very few real accomplishments.
Would make more right wing appointments to the Supreme Court.
Supported Bush over 90% of the time and has all the same ideas that Bush had.

I know I've left something out....
Did I say he was too old to be president?

God willing when I wake up tommorow and go to tpm I better see a VICIOUS response from the Obama campaign and some sort of media outrage about such allegations. The gloves are off for this one.

you clearly arent American, right? where are your papers? we must zee zem to prove zis. achtung, troll! schnell, schnell!

this is outrageous b shit. McCain didnt bother to show up and vote 'no' against the GI bill, instead he was at a fundraiser. putting himself first, and not the country on that count. thank you for your service, sir, but you are not fit to be president if you attack your opponent like this. you are an old fool. what an utter sellout. principles, what principles?!? he sold them to Karl Rover.

Oh just put Condoleezza Rice in the ring with Obama and let her kick his arab ass and be done with it. I would much rather see Condoleezza Rice president than this racist arab and his 57 states!

And I bet you are about as black as full daylight. I am sure your picture is pure shit like your posts. Shut up.

Just because I don't think the way you think does not mean i am not black. Unlike Obama, my mother and father, grand mothers and grand fathers were all black and lived their whole life in the south. It discust me to see black people put in a catagory just because of the color of their skin. Judge Joe Brown is my hero. Oprah is a sell out.
I did not always believe the way I believe now. i grew up like most of the poor black men in my neighborhood using drugs and selling to pay for my habit. Six months behind bars in New Orleans was enough for me to realize there was something better out there. i did everything from cutting grass, framing houses, huffing shingles, installing windows and putting up siding on house for other people to realize I could do it for myself and make more money. Now I buy and flip houses and have mexicans and white people working for me. I am truly living the American dream and don't want to see it destroyed by someone claiming to have the heart of an American black man.

As Martin Luther King, I believe the most misquoted man in the United States once said, "Equal rights to all people". Well, I believed in his dream and i am living his dream and it sadens me to see people using Martin Luther King's great name as an excuse.

You say I am probably black as the daylight, I say you are probably some fat ugly woman with 5 kids from different daddy's collecting section 8 (paying to me by the way) food stamps and welfare.

This world world would be much better without the likes of users like you but then again who else would we have to raise the future criminals.

Yes, I know I was a criminal myself and probably would not have what I have today had I not lived the life I lived but I believe I would have made the right choice even if i had a better childhood.

Get a Job Looser!

Fascinating story. Congratulations. Would you like a cookie now or something?

Obama supports Georgia joining NATO? Yuck. What a ridiculous statement. Yeah, lets form an alliance with a country that looks to pick a fight with Russia. Hopefully the Europeans have some sense here.

Disappointing Barack.

Hopefully it's just to send a message to Russia, or maybe use as a bargaining point down the line. Having Georgia joining NATO is too ridiculous to even consider.

Cuba wants to become a Russian State, and as a result Russia is going to move some if it's nukes there as well as house some of it's nuclear subs there.

You must have been a bully in school Hay lets join up with the big guys even though they are bullies too. Georgia did not pick a fight with Russia stupid. Russia invaded Georgia! When one country crosses the borders of another with plains, tanks and an army that is called invading! Georgia was just defending themselves.

I rarely post, but I just have to say-- man, you're not very good at this trolling thing. Your prose it tortured at best, and your logic is, well, twisted. For the love of God, please stop.

"is" tortured-- dammit. Up late watching the newborn...

If you were reading my threads you should have clearly read that I went to school in the second to worst school district and never claimed to be able to spell! There is not a spell check option on this thread. I am happy it makes you feel good to be able to correct my spelling. Feed your kid and get back to bed!
Now let me get back to pushing the buttons of these left wing idiots. They are soooo easy.
If I fire up a few more I just might cum!

Sorry, can't do it.

Love to stir shit! Always have always will.

If you read the analysis I linked to above regarding the Russia-Georgia conflict you'll see that you are mistaken in this. The real question is who gave Georgia the green light to try to take South Ossetia? They're not fools. They wouldn't have made such a play without thinking their backer (US) would protect them.

This a wimpy pathetic remark from a man that one could clearly argue has not always put 'this country' first.

Lieberman must mean 'weak man' in some language... at least that is the impression that this guy gives me.

I understand that Lieberman wants to put an end to the Arabs, but when did he go so bad? He's as vile as any conservative politician today, with no redeeming qualities. What's different from his Veep candidate days in 2000?

The Trolls are trying to collect points for silly prizes from the McCain camp.
IGNORE! IGNORE!

It seems that many people here has the misconception here that I am a McCain Fan! I am far from it. It just so happens that I don't care for either presidential candidate. I am just against the candidate who wants to take money out of my pocket.

I am personally a Dr. Condoleezza Rice fan but she is not running for president. I would love to see her as a vice president running mate. Wouldn't that be nice with McCain as old as he is kicking off and she becoming the first black woman president!

You're pretty much the biggest idiot I've ever read. If you'd do some research on the candidates rather than believe the campaign ads, you might actually learn something. Since you're so concerned with how much money is getting taken out of your wallet, start with www.factcheck.org. You might be surprised at what you read.

You might also consider posting less gibberish and learning how to spell from your third grader.

LIEberman is a disgusting little twit and I hope by him making such comments his days serving in the Senate are numbered, he deserves to be thrown out by the people of this country for his gutter politics.


What the hell has Condi Rice ever did for this country except lie?

"What the hell has Condi Rice ever did for this country except lie?"

That's easy! She ignored George Tenet when he made a special trip downtown in July 2001 to warn of impending attacks ("the board is blinking red"), and she ignored her daily brief in August 2001 formally warning of spectacular impending attacks. Then she claimed, even though dozens of reports named WTC as at the top of the list of likely terrorist targets, that nobody could ever guess what they might attack so it couldn't be her or the Administration's fault. And when criticized, she bristled in testimony that it was somehow beyond any sense of decency to question her. See, that's a lot right there!

Whats the matter with you people. Listen to your educated presidential candidate when he don't have a prompt to read!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsJLdE9DELs&feature=related

What would happen if a white person said these words using black folks?
Any discrimination is discrimination and will destroy our country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7zAnZcJ4bI&feature=related

*facepalm*

Don't feed the trolls!!!!

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LIEBERMAN - SCUM-SUCKING, BUT KOSHER, PIG

Joe Lieberman is an unmitigated liar and a scum-sucking (but kosher) pig.

And I say that as fondly as one can after having been his roommate and friend for 4 years at Yale. I truly liked the guy then. Just show's how wrong you can be .

Joe is basically a Likudist agent in the midst of the American government. He obviously cares more about Israel than he does his country of birth.

I don't say this lightly, but when Joe questions the patriotism of anybody who doesn't follow willy-nilly the ignorance of our Commander-in-Chief, George W. Bush, a person not known for his intelligence or foresight, I have to question his own intelligence (and, indeed, patriotism). I happen to think that Bush and Lieberman lied this country into a War on Iraq for no good reason -- no WMDs, no "imminent threat," no connection to al-Queda or 9/11. George W. Bush lied to America. Joseph Isadore Lieberman lied to America. THEY ARE BOTH LIARS. THEY ARE BOTH SCUM-SUCKING PIGS.

Does Joe Lieberman care more for Israel than he does the United States?

A legitimate question, I think, following his own words and actions.

My own ancestors were here before the Revolutionary War ("Mad Anthony" Wayne, one of them, fought under George Washington at Valley Forge). Incidentally, my parents and grandparents were born on farms in Ohio and were Republicans. Joe's ancestors came here after the pograms of Eastern Europe. I was the first in my family to go to college (and also probably the first to become "radicalized" there.)

That doesn't make Joe any more or any less an American than I am. But I do think he has been blinded by his pro-Israeli-Zionism. He sees himself as both a Jew and an American. Fine. I'm by birth a Christian and an American.

But, I am first an American. I believe in the Constitutional separation of church and state.

For instance, I don't believe that some homophobic Episcopalian bishop from Africa has the right to push his regressive, ignorant beliefs on the world-wide Anglican community, any more than I believe that the Zionist "settlers" have the right to take over Palestinian territories that have been in their families' possession for hundreds and even thousands of years.

Sorry, I'm not much in favor of either homophobic Christians or land-grubbing Zionists.



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What are the Republicans thinking using Lieberdouche as a spokesperon for McSame? He's loathed equally by both parties. As is McCain...together they're a twofer.

Ah yes, just as I predicted yesterday dear ObaDroids the Lawn Jockey in Chief stuck his prick in the wind and now SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE! Hussein has adopted McCain's position and is promoting NATO membership for Georgia.

Once again Hussein has left all you little ObaAssLickers to run and catch up to his "evolving" position.
Let's see: in five days Hussein shuffled (and little ObaDroids faithfully followed) from "it is all the fault of McCain's staff/lobbyists" to "it's all Georgia's fault" to "bad bad Putin, but..." to "Georgia for NATO!".

Warrantless wire tapping.
Offshore drilling.
Illegal wars.
What will you do when "Oh he called me nigger!" Hussein is forced to admit that the surge "worked"?

How long will it then take for you ObaIdiots to adjust to that newest truth from ObaPravda?
Pathetic losers taking it up the ass from a wannabe Lawn Jockey...

Shut the Fuck up.

It's not your fault.

It's not your fault.

I know. It's OK. It's not your fault.

This is the ordinary repug libel script, of course, routine character assassination used in the ordinary course to defame all comers:

"It causes us great pain to have to say this, but we must warn your for the good of the country that our opponent [fill in name here] is a coward and a traitor."

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I wish I had a nickle for every time Lieberman said "reach across the aisle and get things done."

Sore Loserman!!!!!!!-Maybe he can drag down a second presidential candidate.

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This is the stupidest fucking argument ever - how in the fucking goddamn hell does anyone produce evidence that they've "put the country first?"

And Somebody - ask McLame and Lieberman what the fuck they mean, EXACTLY, by "he didn't put the country first."

It's a fucking mouthful of meaningless crap.

Of COURSE it's meaningless crap. But, after spending much of the last 12 months being accused of "falling in love" with Obama, the "drive-by media" (Limbaugh's actually pretty funny name for "mainstream press") now feel compelled to prove to themselves that they, too, are "fair and balanced" . . . by NOT pointing out what a load of crap McNutty's entire campaign is. Hell, CBS and CNN will probably report tonight on the "McCain delegation" of numb-nuts on their way to Georgia with a straight face.

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