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Howard Wolfson Goes To War With MSNBC, Hammers Chris Matthews And Keith Olbermann

On Fox News just now, Howard Wolfson unleashed a broad attack on MSNBC and its top on-air personalities, slamming the network's coverage of Bill and Hillary, hitting back at Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann for using his work for Fox to question his Democratic credentials, and blasting MSNBC as having been "taken over" by "antics."

The broadside from Wolfson, who has until now mostly refrained from publicly critiquing MSNBC despite months of deep unhappiness within Hillaryland about the network's coverage of her, is a declaration of open war against MSNBC and two of its most visible political commentators that likely will only escalate from here.

"I'm not gonna take any lectures on how to be a good Democrat from two people who spent the last two years relentlessly attacking Bill and Hillary Clinton everyday," Wolfson said on the air moments ago, when asked by the Fox anchor to respond to some criticism of Wolfson on MSNBC yesterday.

Wolfson's decision to unload on MSNBC was triggered by some particularly barbed comments about Wolfson from Olbermann and Matthews yesterday. Matthews slammed Wolfson as Fox's "little toy soldier," while Olbermann joked that Wolfson is Fox's "Tokyo Rose."

"I think it's unfortunate that a news organization with a great tradition like NBC has been taken over by those kind of antics," Wolfson said.

Shortly afterward, he added, "Nobody has spent more time over the last two years attacking Democrats than Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, and I'm just not going to get lectured on how to be a good Democrat from them."

In a brief interview with me, Wolfson said he decided he couldn't let such comments go unanswered anymore.

"I've let previous comments like this pass," Wolfson said, "and I wasn't gonna stand for it anymore. I've spent my entire adult life working for Democratic causes and candidates and I'm not gonna have my credentials challenged."

As I reported some months ago, Wolfson was one of several top Hillary advisers who privately complained to MSNBC brass about the on-air treatment of Hillary, but unlike some other top Hillary supporters didn't make his gripes with the network publicly known. No longer.

Fox News has been publicly feuding with MSNBC, and in a topsy-turvy twist, Wolfson, a lifelong and loyal Democrat, has now lobbed a heavy bomb -- from Fox's side, though it was on his own behalf.

Late Update: Here's video...



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It's official. Wolfson it's the rat, sorry, the source in the NYT article.

Real Democrats Support Fox Network!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, "gasp" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'd like to complain about Wolfson's treatment of his party's nominee for president, and about the fact that he's chosen this time to defend the Clintons - who I regard as the bane of the party -when he should just STFU.

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Wolfson didn't do so well for the party's second choice for nominee either, come to think of it, despite the many pre-existing advantages they had.

But everyone knows it's all Mark Penn's fault. At least he had the good sense to leave the public eye.

DENVER—Brit Hume, Bill Kristol, Mort Kondracke and Fred Barnes were kicking around some ideas to discuss on the air as they climbed the stairs to Fox’s Election HQ newsroom, when they bumped into Howard Wolfson.

“You caused a huge uproar today,” Kondracke said approvingly, referring to a piece Wolfson had written urging Obama to reach out to Bill Clinton. “You were on the top of all the blogs.”

Wolfson, the longtime Democratic strategist and former communications director for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, smiled at their good-natured ribbing. They laughed when he laughed. Noisy, full of camaraderie and good cheer, the five of them almost looked like a team.

There’s a reason for this. The Democratic convention is Barack Obama’s house in Denver, and Wolfson and his more conservative pundit friends, despite possessing two worldviews that rarely meet, are the outs.

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“Are you still an adviser?” asked Dennis Rodriguez Jr., a 30-year-old Clinton delegate. When Wolfson responded that he was, the delegate said, “Just to let you know, I’m still going to vote for her.”

“Well, we appreciate your support, but we’re with Obama in the end,” said Wolfson.

Mark Smith, a Clinton delegate from Texas, approached Wolfson shortly after and told him that he handled himself well on television. They talked briefly about Clinton’s victory in Texas (“Our backs were to the wall but she did it,” said Wolfson), and when Smith said he hoped she would run again, Wolfson said maybe in 2016.

Mark Halperin dropped by to talk politics, and Wolfson obliged. But then one of the booking girls gave him a signal and Wolfson tapped the reporter on the shoulder. “I’m on,” he said.

He stepped on a plastic milk crate and then onto the stage and into the seat. Kelly prepped him on the subject of discussion, unity and the Clintons, which is something Wolfson is asked to talk about a lot these days.

“I’m not going to be able to talk about that,” he said.

They ultimately agreed that he would provide analysis, essentially, of what was already in the public arena.

http://www.observer.com/2008/politics/wolfson-makes-good-convention-he-didnt-want

Yeah! Let's have some MSM wars!

Maybe they'll devour each other.

If only we could draw CNN into the fray...

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Yes yes yes!

O, I wants to see them eats their own, precioussssssssss!

It's coming - you see Fox trying to drag them into -- personally I think CNN is falling fast. After WOlf Blitzer was practically drooling last night when the thought of a hurricane coming into the mix during the RNC is was rather appauling in my view to see the joy he and his team had at that thought -- especially being a gulf coast citizen most my life...

Good job, Greg. I thought the Tokyo Rose bit was going too far, but on the whole, I find Howard Wolfson to be odious, and I found Tweety and Olbermann to be fair in challenging Hillaryland's spin and, frankly, dirty tricks. Fox is the perfect home for Howard.

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I wonder how this interview came about. Maybe Wolfson called FOX and was looking for a regular spot on FOX as a political commentator who will play his role for a steady paycheck from Rupert?

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Wolfson signed on as a regular contributor to FOX months ago.

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markg8,

thanks for the info...he's earning his money then.

This seems more like caddiness and gossipiness than actual news. Meanwhile ... real people have real problems.

Real problems don't sell ads.

Yes ... and it's too bad that the MSM has become a vehicle for entertainment. Too bad, also, that blogs so often get pulled into it.

it's too bad that the MSM has become a vehicle for entertainment.

Uh, I don't know how to break this to you but....that's all the media ever were. Just another form of bread and circus. Check out Goodnight and Good Luck, particularly the beginning and the end covering Morrow's prescient warning about the trend that television was taking.

That's "Murrow"

What was it about that Michelle O. said about not accepting the world "as it is"?

I'm pretty sure that she doesn't spend a lot of time watching TV. I know I don't. I'm pretty sure that she gets her information from many other, more objective sources. I know I do.

Nobody has spent more time over the last two years attacking Democrats than Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, and I'm just not going to get lectured on how to be a good Democrat from them.

quoting because it boggles the mind

He's talking about their treatment of the Clintons, who are Democrats.

Howard, this would be an instance where you're not being a good Democrat.

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In that case, the title of Biggest Democrat Attacker would surely go to Howard Wolfson, who has also spent the past two years constantly attacking Democrats. Many of his attacks have been far more ridiculous than anything even Chris Matthews has said. And now he works for the enemy, the other Biggest Democrat Attacker, Rupert Murdoch's Fox News, lending his credentials to their claims to be fair and balanced toward the Dems, which is obviously and demonstrably untrue.

Wolfson was quite obviously hired to try to promote and prolong the Clinton-Obama disunity, which Fox would love nothing more than to do. (That's why I understand why some commenters don't want to waste time on this topic.)

Anyway, he's making a stupid argument. Wolfson still can't get over losing. Blaming Chris Matthews and MSNBC is ridiculous. They aren't why you lost, and over the Bush/Cheney years, they have been much more fair to the Dems than Fox!

In that case, the title would still go to someone else, since most of the right wing was more than eager to trash Hillary before it became obvious that she wasn't the frontrunner anymore.

Democrats in name only . . . at best.

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"I've spent my entire adult life working for Democratic causes and candidates and I'm not gonna have my credentials challenged."

then why do you work for the propaganda arm of the republican party, howard?!

))))))))))))))-crickets-((((((((((((((

And I wonder if he's such a good Democrat, why he chooses to do this now, during the convention, on the closest thing we have to state-run television.

Keith Olbermann is a douche. I like Chris Matthews though. And I like the MSNBC/FOX NEWs feud it provides great entertainment. I wish CNN would jump in at one point.


Video: Keith Vs. Chris Another Awkward MSNBC Moment

Awesome video. I love how KO treats Chris like the crazy uncle.

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coba11, Olbermann's show was the only watchable news program on television during most of the Bush/Cheney administration, until recently when his frequent guest Rachel Maddow got her own show on MSNBC.

Most Clintonistas, like Wolfson, hate Matthews because he definitely liked Obama and made some weird remarks about Hillary. Fair enough.

But they don't like Olbermann because he told them and their candidate and her campaign the truth, and, well, sometimes the truth hurts. The campaign was over except for the crying, and everyone knew it, but the Clintonistas wanted to continue running their negative, divisive campaign while shouting "Florida and Michigan, Florida and Michigan!"

But trying to kneecap Olbermann is incredibly damaging to the Dems. He's our only media celebrity, and we desperately need him on our side, both as a rallying point for our movement and as a show for potential converts to watch.

Wolfson, on the other hand, is just putting more money into the pockets of our enemies. He's a willing accomplice like Juan Williams and Mara Liasson of NPR, only as an actual Democrat rather than a "journalist," far, far worse.

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Re: your video

Sure, Olbermann can come across as a little smugly arrogant (he did start out on SportsCenter after all), and both of these guys I'm sure have healthy egos, but in the clip he's obviously trying to keep Matthews from getting into trouble with women again following all the grief MSNBC got from the Clintonistas during the primaries, but instead of recognizing that the overly sensitive Matthews gets upset and throws a little on-air temper tantrum like a two-year-old, which Olbermann wisely chooses to ignore.

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coba11,

Matthews ha san ego as large as the Rock of Gibralter and I think he's jealous of Olbermann's success in the ratings. I think Matthews wants to be Mr MSNBC and he sees Olbermann as a threat.

During the Bush Gore race, Matthews once said Gore would lick the bathroom floor to be President. Check Bob Somerby at The Daily Howler for Matthews behavior.

I have to mention, picking nits here, but I detected a subtle, subliminal new way to play the POW card. Andrea Mitchell just interviewed Tom Ridge, and he had a good chuckle over Hillary's "Twins" line. He went on to say "...she knows better than most the qualities and experiences and the kind of leadership that John McCain would provide are far different than that of President Bush."

Most people use "experience" as a singular, to cover the whole spectrum. Experiences plural means, you know, those 5 1/2 years...

Again, with no description of how those 5 1/2 tough years amount to leadership experience.

But you see, my friends, he was a POW. Furthermore,

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Someone should ask if a wrongly-convicted person has more leadership capabilities than McCain when they are released after 20 years in prison.

He was shot down by inferior equipment, operated by inferior men, from what Republicans would surely deem and inferior race. That is the sum total of his war experience.

He lost his frigg'n plane. That's it! What a frigg'n loser.

And to top it all off he admitted to being a baby killer while under torture. And since torture works (according to Republicans) IT MUST BE TRUE!

So McStain is an American hating baby-killing loser. Yeah, he's qualified.

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"from what Republicans would surely deem and inferior race." Dog whistle Alert All Republicans are Racists.

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Remind me again, what are the racial/ethnic demographics of the republican party?

Well, if you don't have the hard numbers, then perhaps we can just look into the crowd at the RNC and get a rough estimate.

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PS. Oh, and McCain himself still calls the Vietnamese gooks, at least as recently as 2000. Sure, he's tried to backpedal since then and say he merely meant his actual captors were gooks, but c'mon.

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If you're comfortable accussing 55 million people of being racists, simply because they disagree with you politically, go for it.

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yes, that is exactly what I was saying and that's exactly why I was saying it. I was confusing anyone who disagrees with me about anything as being racists, and I was accusing all 55 million idiots who vote republican as being members of the KKK. for a troglodite you have a beautiful way of crystalizing arguments down to their essential forms. bravo

McCain does refer to the Vietnamese as 'gooks', that much is on the record.

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...hence, all Republicans are racists.

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Hence people who vote for mccain will be voting for a known racist.

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And in case you think perhaps it's just animosity towards Vietnamese people, let's not forget his resistance to an MLK holiday prior to 1990, a full 22 years after his assassination.

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Perhaps it should be all racists are repunliscums.

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...15% of the black vote...Hispanic votes, received 35% of their vote in 2000 and 44% in 2004... In 2004, 44% of Asian Americans... In the 2006 House races, the GOP won 51% of white votes, 37% of Asian votes, and 30% of Hispanic votes, while winning 10% of African American votes...

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Well there you have it, the republican party is the first minority majority party. George Wallace has the numbers.

No wonder you guys get so excited about undocumented workers and other furiners, the obvious reverse discrimination known as affirmative action, as well as those lazy minority welfare folks sucking up our tax dollars sipping pina colades by the pool. It's all about equal rights and justice for today's party of Lincoln.

Forgive me for misunderstanding your true inclusiveness and the warmhearted tolerance you feel for those unlike you.

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...and you guys still wonder why you keep losing...amazing.

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You, George, are well on your way to becoming a permanent (think Whigs) minority party in the good ol' US of A.

The only way you folks retain power today is through dishonest, fearmongering campaigns (gays, boogeymen, etc) and out-and-out electoral fraud and voter disenfranchisement. Hold on tightly, Georgie boy, as it's almost over.

I'd say that clearly the republican party is in its last throes, to borrow a line from one of your party elders.

In 20 years, you jokers will be like the Afrikaner party is today in South Africa, a historical footnote. Perhaps then you will flee to Idaho or Finland or somewhere that better suites your preferred color palette.

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Now look here twirling fartknocker, I'll have you know that some of my friends just happen to be yer ordinary spics, darkies, and kikes.

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SFCWallace says;

...and you guys still wonder why you keep losing...amazing.

Um, eh, er.......Congress is still under Republican control?

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twirling fartknocker,

I don't understand your name, but your posts are grand. Keep doing it. :)

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hey thanks

the pseudonym is just a silly thing I heard on a beavis and butthead show once. just a little self-deprication

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SFCWallace,

that pig won't fly, but you did get that great Constitutional scholar Clarence Thomas on the court.

I saw this quoted on Atrios' site and thought it was perfect:

"The McCain campaign keeps emphasizing that McCain was a prisoner in Vietnam, as proof of his qualification for the Presidency.

Well, so was Gary Glitter, and I'm not voting for him either."

http://rogerailes.blogspot.com/2008_08_17_archive.html#3388883339457206574#3388883339457206574

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It would be better with a real former POW rather than Gary Glitter, who only fits some very odd definition of POW.

How about Bud Day, McCain's friend and divorce lawyer, and one of the biggest swiftboaters? He's definitely a former POW who I would not want to be President!

The broadside from Wolfson, who has until now refrained from publicly critiquing MSNBC despite months of deep unhappiness within Hillaryland...

Please Greg. While I don't want to argue on what now is an insignificant issue, Wolfson and the folks in the Hillaryland whined about the MSNBC coverage publicly, on other networks and also in debates.

Anyway, Wolfson finally reached home at Fox.
They blend like milk and water.

The broadside from Wolfson, who has until now refrained from publicly critiquing MSNBC despite months of deep unhappiness within Hillaryland...

Please Greg. While I don't want to argue on what now is an insignificant issue, Wolfson and the folks in the Hillaryland whined about the MSNBC coverage publicly, on other networks and also in debates.

Anyway, Wolfson finally reached home at Fox.
They blend like milk and water.

Howard Wolfson was Hillary's personal Baghdad Bob. The man is a snake.

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Does that mean Hillary is Saddam?

Yeah, that's exactly what it means. Sure. Go with it.

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SFCWallace,

heh, now wonder you guys keep losing elections.

One other thing. Wolfson has a face for radio.

LOL. There goes my burger...

"I think it's unfortunate that a news organization with a great tradition like NBC has been taken over by those kind of antics," Wolfson said.

Not that Hillary isn't ultimately responsible for the chaotic mess that was her primary campaign, but I don't believe Wolfson is in any position, none, to criticize MSNBC.

By the way, I have never felt more uncomfortable with MSNBC than the period from when Hillary announced (late 2006?) until Super Tuesday this year, when the hubristic disaster that was her campaign was, for all intents and purposes, over. Keith and most others had been completely in the bag for Hillary during that time, and as an Obama supporter, it bothered the hell out of me. Once the tactics became draconian and they began to more overtly use race tactically (it's not necessary to say "racist" to have disdain for the tactics used by camp Clinton), only then did Keith, for one, begin to call out the Clinton campaign for its increasingly Rovian tactic.

Wolfson can go Fox himself!

To hell with Wolfson. He's gone to the enemy and like Lieberman, Pelosi, Reid and all those conservative Blue Dog Dems, deserves scorn. Everything they've done has helped to undermine this country.

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You guys are officially losing it....Pelosi and Reid are now not liberal enough? Hillary compared to Saddam?...and you wonder why you keep losing the unlosable...?

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Reid never was a liberal; if you thought he was then you really are clueless. Pelosi is like the worst of both worlds - she talks a liberal agenda and makes herself a good target for Republicans, and then once in power shows herself to be utterly unwilling to stand up for anything.

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If MSNBC had spent more time covering the speeches (esp. the Brian Schweitzer speech) instead of the talking heads ad-nauseum, Tweety and KO would have had less opportunity to put their feet in it.

Hey, any chance we could get Focked News to trade Wolfosn to MSNBC for Pat Buchanan and maybe a draft pick?

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Sorry, we're in talks to get Nancy Grace from CNN.

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They should give you Glenn Beck as well, just to make it clear where everyone stands.

Howard Wolfson joins Fox Noise-- and expects to be thought of as a good Democrat? NBC was getting slandered daily by Bill-O for its reporting on the involvement of Fox's BFF Dick Cheney in the Valerie Plame scandal, while NBC's Tim Russert refused to be bullied during the Scooter Libby trial. Basically, the White House has its own network and used it to attack David Gregory and all of NBC. With K.O., NBC is fighting back. It's not a liberal/conservative thing-- it's a flawed but real news outfit standing up for itself against a propaganda machine posing as an actual news outfit.

There's a growing pattern here. First Governor Rendell blasts MSNBC, and THEN Wolfson does it too.

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Wolfson doesn't understand that he was a Democratic operative who's job it was to get Democrats elected and now he bashes them for Fox News! That is completely different than journalists and pundits trashing a candidate from time to time.

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Nobody has spent more time over the last two years attacking Democrats than Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, and I'm just not going to get lectured on how to be a good Democrat from them."

What? It makes me wonder just how far Wolfson's head was up the Clinton's ass. Of course the whole Clinton clan loved Fox. (remember Terry McAuliffe's "Fox is fair and balanced" quote?)

Of course Wolfson is a great pick for Fox. He thinks the American people, including democrats are completely stupid. How can he possibly say with a straight face that the MSNBC hairdos have been more harmful to democrats than Fox? Fox News??

I guess he is a perfect fit over there after all.

I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care. Wolfson works for Fox News. The same place that treated Hillary and Bill Clinton like crap for 15 years up until the time Barack Obama took the lead in the primary. And than they became Hillary's best friends.

Don't repeat this crap. Its not our concern. It shouldn't be our focus. I could care less about what anyone who works for Fox News says.

One of the seven deadly sins is PRIDE! Swallow it Howard because you have lost your soul! Please notice that he is pushing a cause which ended because it was his campaign that failed his candidate and to place blame on MSNBC is such croc! Howard stay at FAUX NEWS and be ready to lose your job when they no longer need assholes like you after November when we have a new President Obama!

Wolfson is just trying to earn his silver coins as Fox News' waterboy. Who cares what he says? His career is over in the Democratic Party.

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Wolfson certainly did not previously hide his contempt for MSNBC:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8UMAS3O0&show_article=1

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Oh, right, Shuster's silly comment about Chelsea, I forgot about that one.

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Right Message, Wrong Medium...

I sympathize with Wolfson about Tweety and KO's extreme bias against Hillary.

But Jesus Christ on a craker! Don't use FOX NEWS as your medium!

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I'm sure Howard will be every bit as successful in THIS war as he was for Hillary in the primaries.

You go Keith!!! Keep up the great work!!!

Even though I absolutely loathe Howard Wolfson, personally finding him as creepy as R. Kelly pacing in front of a daycare center - I would have given him some leeway until he said this bullshit:

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I'm surprised that Howard can actually find a pair of jeans that fit him, because it takes some set of balls to say that shit on FOX News of all places. Jesus..

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Come on now...R.Kelly was aquitted...

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...and she didn't look 15...

..not you too!. lol

You know, when I woke up this morning, I thought to myself: "After Clinton's speech last night, what if Democrats don't have enough internecine warfare anymore? Isn't the thought of an easy Democratic win a bit harrowing? It will be so depressing and undramatic if Obama wins in a landslide with a 60 seat Democratic majority in the Senate."

Well, thanks for putting that thought to rest, Wolfson. My hero!

Wolfson Fox. Poetic:

Red Fox (Vulpes vulpes) is a mammal of the order Carnivora.

Gray Wolf (Canis lupus), is a mammal of the order Carnivora

I like MSNBC for two things: Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow- that's about it. Otherwise, I don't see much to write home about. I do appreciate what MSNBC is doing with those two playing more prominent parts. The AP, Reuters and FOX are pure propaganda and CNN (especially), ABC, and CBS are right behind them.

McClatchy, BBC, NPR, and CSPAN for my news coverage.

MSNBC's convention coverage has been sub par. Not covering Schweitzer's speech really pissed me off.

I agree with most of your points, especially their not covering Schweitzer.

But I do love the way they're set up in Denver outside the convention center with an ESPN-like College Gameday crowd behind them hooting and hollering; cheering Rachel and booing Buchanan.

Yeah, I agree I like the outside set, but I have to wonder if they would've tuned into Schweitzer's speech if they were inside. In anycase, they certainly dropped the ball there. Of course, Schweitzer would've gotten that coverage if he would've been the keynote. Eh, a small annoyance for me.

But, yes, the outside set is cool. I love seeing the beautiful skyline of Denver, CO, at least, until I switch back to C-SPAN.

On the late night last night, it was funny as hell. The crowd was boisterous, and then a train started blowing its horn during one segment which made for some hilarious ad libbing by commentators (other than KO) who always try to act serious most of the time.

PBS pretty much plays all the speeches, which is nice. They had Schweitzer on. But then they cut to David Brooks, so.....

PBS pretty much plays all the speeches, which is nice. They had Schweitzer on. But then they cut to David Brooks, so.....


Yikes!
Talk about a buzz kill!

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That's exactly why I chose CSPAN over PBS, but then I went back to MSNBC to see the Hillary video.

Oh, PBS, I forgot PBS. Another one of the better news organizations in this country.

You hit the nail on the head. Rachael is my hero on that cable network. She is smart and knows how to cut to the chase of right wing memo.

The only other reasonable person there is Chick Todd, although, he sometimes loose his bearing to right wing talking points.

And the psycho drama continues

Wolfson is a BIGGER scum scuzz bag than Rove.........he is ONLY lashing out because Olbermann disclosed his book deal he was whoring and after oLbermann outed him, the ClintonS and their criminal mafia made sure Howard ex-logcabin reTHUGlican got NO DEAL


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Even though I absolutely loathe Howard Wolfson, personally finding him as creepy as R. Kelly pacing in front of a daycare center - I would have given him some leeway until he said this bullshit:

"Nobody has spent more time over the last two years attacking Democrats than Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, and I'm just not going to get lectured on how to be a good Democrat from them."

I'm surprised that Howard can actually find a pair of jeans that fit him, because it takes some set of balls to say that shit on FOX News of all places. Jesus..

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All these guys need to find the same sinking boat in the ocean. The country deserves better than this.

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Well, here's the good new: Nobody outside of bloggers and inside-the-media types gives a hoot about a Howard Wolfson vs. MSNBC war.

http://strategy08.wordpress.com

My bad for the multiple comments.

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"I've spent my entire adult life working for Democratic causes and candidates and I'm not gonna have my credentials challenged."

Well, i think any democrat who works for the propaganda arm of the republican party ought to have their credentials challenged.

I think it does raise the question why a man who spent his entire lifetime working for democratic causes would be so willing and so eager to go work for Fox News-whose sole purpose is to undermine-everything Howard Wolfson and Hillary Clinton have supposedly fought for their entire lifes.

What's up with that, Howard?

Ah yes, the anchors are making themselves the story. Nothing but infotainment celebrities trying to put themselves over.

Wolfson ran a Republican campaign against a fellow Democrat in the primary, and then he ran to Fox news for a paycheck.

I wonder where all this manufactured drama will be around during the Republican National Convention next week?

To tweak the old joke -
What do you call ten MSM talking heads chained together at the bottom of the ocean?

A good start.

By Wolfson's standards, hasn't he spent quite a bit of time attacking perfectly loyal democrats himself? Or are the Clintons the only democrats in this guy's mind????

It was a PRIMARY!!!! In a primary democrats attack democrats, in a general election democrats attack republicans. Apparently he DOES need a lecture on how political parties work.

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Howard, it's Fox News. Fox News!

Go outside the building and look up at the logo, Howard. Does it jar anything loose in your memory? Sean Hannity? Ann Coulter? Bill O'Reilly? Rupert Murdoch?

You're working for Fox News, now. Where Karl Rove works. You can't possibly be serious when you accuse MSNBC of bashing Democrats while you're doing it from a Fox news studio. Can you?

You must have spun so much for Hillary that it messed up your brain.

The convention coverage from the cable news is the worst ever...Please follow Barack's lead by turning your TV to CSPAN or PBS.

Obama turn the TV to CSPAN yesterday and we should all do the same. The talking heads are useless.

...or Dish Network if you have satellite.

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Wolfson is a large part of why Hillary's campaign failed. I've never been sure if it was mere incompetence or intent. His whinings and mewlings mean nothing.

Oh that's great Wolfson, let's start another distraction right in the middle of the convention.

And yet another chapter of why many life-long Democrats who liked the Clintons, won't miss the likes of Wolfson, MacAuliffe and Carville. What a bunch of egomaniacs!

Can you really blame Wolfson for being bitter? In just a few short months, he's gone from making six figures a month, thinking that he was going to be the next WH Press Secretary to being forced to beg for airtime from Roger Ailes. I guess I'd be a little touchy, too.

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Howard Woolfson, paid by Fox Propaganda, isn't going to be lectured about being a good Democrat?

You couldn't make this crap up if you wanted to.

And Keith Olberman practically drooled in his praise for Hillary Clinton last night. Perhaps Howard was too busy commentating on Fox Propaganda to notice.

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Good point. He was positively effusive about Hillary's speech.

Yo Wolfson, you wanna know why you're working for the enemy instead of a presidential candidate, take a look in the mirror.

Now shut the fuck up.

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!!!!

Great! Something else to distract the public from seeing that John W. McSame is actually MORE insane than George W. Bush.

It's FOX Spin channel. They don't report news. Wolfson is an idiot and deserves whatever he gets.

There was a day when election coverage across the networks was a slightly different shade of vanilla.

No more. C-SPAN and perhaps PBS remain largely unfazed, but not the MSM. CNN is news for the snooty elite. And you only tune in Fox to see if the elephants have come in, or that crazy car that 57 angry white republicans climb out of...

MSNBC's desk is outside, and they are constantly involving real people. There was a moment after the convention where 2 hand-helds were covering a pow-wow between Mitchell, Todd, Williams, and Gregory on the empty floor that was very real and unlike any other coverage. Very back-stage. It made me miss Tim Russert, though...

Wolfon's politics rely on a certain degree of shadiness that can longer be dispensed in the era of the Great Intertubes. It brought down King Bubbuh and Jane; how powerful they could have been had they grown up in time?

Pax,
M.

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Let's face it, Fox has staked a claim to the Conservatives and MSNBC programs to attract Liberals. A battle between network on air personalities is good for both networks. The ultimate loser--CNN.

Uh, no one on TV has been more critical of George Bush and company than Keith Olbermann, and sorry but nothing Wolfson says changes the fact that he works for Fox News.. You can't pretend you aren't a douche and work for Fox. Just own your douchiness and collect your checks, douche.

I know this isn't the first time this has come up, but wasn't there a study done that found MSNBC had the most favorable reporting of Hillary in the primaries?

Also, how the hell does Howard Wolfson get out of bed in the morning, let alone speak out against biased reporting on FOX NEWS!

Even Penn looks better than Wolfson these days. He is working with Rove on Fox News, the only one who could rival Wolfson is Lieberman.

Olbermann and Maddow are the only intellectually minded commentators on the networks or cable news. The rest of them are sheep.

I do have hopes for Chuck Todd though. He's intelligent and insightful.

has olbermann outted wolfson's foreign lobbyist ties yet?

he'll be a republican by election day.

Too funny. Wolfson runs to Fake News, and Lanny Davis writes op=eds in the WSJ of all places. Because they are real Democrats dammit!

Last night, did anyone see James carville's footwear?

Yup, he was wearing a pair of Pumas.

Fuck all these Clintonistas. Every single one of them, thank god their day is over with and their influence is on the wain. They act like spoiled little rich bitches who didn't get the BMW they wanted for their birthday, waaaaaaaaa!

They still cannot get over the fact that their ice queen lost and they will act like sour pusses until November and after.

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Not quite over yet...still waiting on the roll call and Bill's speech.

Not quite over yet...still waiting on the roll call and Bill's speech.

You guys just won't let go of that delusion, will you.

"Operation Chaos" is dead in the water and Barrack Obama is the nominee. Period.

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I agree...so do most people...now if you could just convince Bill.

No dear Wallace, it's over. Over. Done. Fin. The end. I am so sorry to inform you of this simple fact.

There will be no glorious Hillary triumph this cycle. And she will not ever be president. As much as every right wing loser wanted this to happen, it just won't.

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Dude...I don't want Hillary to be President either.

Whether or not you like Wolfson, he does have a point in this case. Bob Somerby of Daily Howler documented MSNBC's coverage of Hillary extensively, here's but one example -

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh052908.shtml

Read a few of these and then tell me MSNBC treated Hillary favorably.

And I can point to just as many instances where they kissed her ass.....and of course all of that was in between the times they were running the Rev. Wright video 24 hours a day.

If that's true, then why don't you?

It would also seem that the only sane person at MSNBC right now is Chuck Todd -

http://mediamatters.org/items/200808260015

How about Joe Scarborough calling Hillary his "girlfriend" throughout the primary? How about Pat Buchanan's continuing love affair with her? You seem to forget that Hillary was practically coronated by the MSM (including MSNBC) up until the time she lost in Iowa. It's not MSNBC's fault that she couldn't run an effective campaign.

The MSM is shitty, period....but it's pretty much shitty to all progressives because it's been slapped silly by the right wing one too many times. This crap is doubly offensive coming from Howard Wolfson who is now snuggling up to the same propaganda ministers whose sole aim in life for eight years was to destroy the career and reputation of his former boss. I'm not saying that there weren't things that were out of line, but I also think there were plenty in the media who went out of their way to prop her up as well.

Chuck Todd sucked and his opinion that Joe Biden somehow flubbed his speech equally sucked!

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You go all the way back to before Super Tuesday and you'll find it was a lot different then. Olbermann never had it in for Hillary. He was far more positive towards her than he was to Obama back then. He gave almost an entire show to his interview with her and it was all genuinely quite pleasant. He showered praise on her afterwards.

He didn't start going after her until she cranked up the nasty ("Kitchen Sink") and Bill started going racist on Obama. He calls them the way he sees them and he didn't like what he was seeing with the negative attacks. Wolfson's always tortured, and mostly circular, logic didn't endear him to Keith, either.

It's not just Olbermann though, it's their entire "news" division and in particular Chris Matthews. Matthews has been savaging Clinton since long before Super Tuesday, going back a decade. Again I'll refer you to Bob Somerby who has been documenting this the entire time. I'm in complete agreement Hillary or more accurately, her staff, Penn, Wolfson, etc. ran an utterly atrocious campaign, but it simply can't be denied that Hillary was held to a standard no one ever has been held to before.

Good piece on Clinton bashing going back a decade, and a bit about Josh Marshall not saying much about it -

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh012508.shtml

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chimpeach,

For quite some time Olbermann was pretty good toward Hillary, but then something happened, maybe his producers started telling him to tear her up. I stopped watching his show when he started to attack Hillary every night, the way many were doing, especially that cretin Matthews.

Wolfson is just looking for scapegoats when he goes after Olberman and Matthews. This way he can try to pass on the blame for his own incompetency for the Clintons' failed campaign. They blew through a huge amount of money and ran a terrible campaign and now he's not even going to get paid. So hypocrite that he is, he went to FOX to get a paycheck. What about Ickes - where did he end up - or is too ashamed to get out of bed in the morning.

This is the same guy who blamed the Clinton's loss on John Edwards' hiding his affair.

Wolfson is a delusional, sycophantic weenie who would say anything at all (or go anywhere at all) to salvage his precious relevancy. He'd say canned corn or Whitey Tighties spoiled the primary for Hillary, not him, if he thought it would get a camera pointed at him.

He's probably on Fox because nobody but Fox is willing to point cameras at him any more, and they're only doing it to exploit his ridiculousness.

I wish some of the other Clinton Attack Pets would sign up with Fox (oh, such as Carville, Davis, and so on). They fit in nicely with the other slugs -- Rove, Liddy, North, Hannity, Fuhrman, and so on. It's far better to have them in one place so they're not popping up on my TV screen unexpectedly.

Wolfson knew he would have issues by going on Fox - he knows how Fox is viewed by most dems and its to be expected - he is simply trying to make his money like everyone else and what better way than to start a MSM war - let the bombs fly. Their obvious bias aside when it comes to facts in reporting i think we know which of the two networks aren't racists and aren't just making sht up...

Coming from a Faux news studio, how much credibility does this guy have? Didn't he help drive the Clinton campaign into a ditch? I hope he enjoys the company of clinton sell-out and prostitue toe sucker Dick Morris. Now he is Riley and Hannity's monkey...

Wolfson & Penn sitting in a tree....

You guys are officially losing it....Pelosi and Reid are now not liberal enough? Hillary compared to Saddam?...and you wonder why you keep losing the unlosable...?

You mean like in 2006 and the individual congressional races earlier this year? Or later on in November?

And yes, Reid isn't Liberal enough and Pelosi is a big let-down. Hillary? Still a big harpy in my book for her primary campaign smearing.

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Let me co-sign this and emphasize:

We won in 2006; we you in a coma?

Senator Clinton, I believe, was ill-served by many in her campaign (not letting her off the hook, it was Her campaign); and I think she was probably most ill-served by Wolfson. He came across as the stereotypical used car salesman.

You want to know what's crazy guys. As much as I hate Fox with an extreme passion, I just saw something that they just did that shocked me. The debunked McCain's latest attack ad where he says that Obama doesn't take Iran seriously. They just played the ad in full, then they went on to say that it was misleading. And then, they showed video of Obama's statement in full, and then they took the time to give context to his statement. It was by far the most responsible piece of journalism that I've ever seen from them, and I haven't seen anything like that from MSNBC or CNN.

I still think that Wolfson served Hillary Clinton poorly, and he acted like a bigger and bigger tool the longer the process went on, but if his presence on a network that's widely considered to be a propaganda arm of the GOP leads to this, then I'll forgive his attacking MSNBC on occasion.

They've got some work to do to get away from the tabloid feel of all their reporting anyway. They could use a jab or two.

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You know it is frightening. I watch sometimes to see what the enemy is up to and they actually do provide more facts, interspersed with the right-wing spin, than cnn does. CNN just regurgitates the right-wing spin. It is shocking that fox is getting more credibility. And I really hate to say it, but chris wallace is a bonafide journalist and asks hard hitting questions of republicans and dems. He does do a good job, much better than wolfie any day.

I tend to agree here. CNN is catching up with FOX in the conservative spin- sometimes surpassing it, or maybe it's FOX getting with the times (as the country becomes more progressive) and doing it's job. In either case or in both, a very bad omen for CNN.

I do like Fareed Zakaria on CNN. I will give them that.

Overall though, most of the major news organizations are hit or miss, most are more miss than hit.

I'll stick to more trusted sources- PBS, BBC, McClatchy, NPR, and CSPAN.

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Yeah Wolfson...like when Faux says dems are hard hitting mad dogs who eat crap on bread in the morning...you took up for dems by saying dems aren't hard hitting and they don't like bread.

You should be so insulted as a dem by the station you work for that you'd refuse to be paid by them or take part in their activities.

But ...who cares...why is this even taking up space with all the really interesting discussions going on. We must all really be bored...like reading what the small print says on a matchbook cover.???

Do NOT care. I don't give a good god damn about what Howard Wolfson thinks about MSNBC. I don't give a rat's ass what Olbermann and Matthews think about Fox News or Howard Wolfson. And I sure as hell don't like TPM wasting space covering this little tissy fit between puffed-up egos.

The media must never make itself the story. Get back to reporting the real stories, TPM.

If Wolfson was a good Democrat, his MSNBC-inspired outrage would be directed at Scarborough. Since it's not, that means he's a good Wolfsonian.

scarborough has been hillary's biggest cheerleader. gave her campaign the idea of 3 am phone call. also gave hillary the line of "mccain has a lifetime of experience. obama gave a speech."


Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Wolfson can stuff it. Liberals and progressives finally get some voice in the media and look how quickly the liberal media bias myth is exposed as a lie of the highest order. What I want is Soros et al to pour hundreds of millions into a new channel that is nakedly left as Fox is right. Fight fire with fire, I say. Anyone who has watched (or tried to watch) the Democratic Convention coverage via the MSM knows that the current line-up of media options is dangerous for our country, as well as our democracy.

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Nobody has spent more time over the last two years attacking Democrats than Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews

Olbermann didn't start being hard on Hillary until she started her kitchen sink strategy. And that strategy was all about attacking a fellow democrat. So Wolfson has zero room to talk.

They talked briefly about Clinton’s victory in Texas ...

For the record, Barack Obama won Texas.

This is a joke right?

Wolfson can't possibly be serious. He, Lanny "fido" Davis, and Mark Penn are the political equivalent of that chunk of poop that keeps appearing in the toilet no matter how many times you flush.

Wolfson is posing and preening for the Republican propaganda arm and claiming he's a "good Democrat." Good for being shot at.

Grab my rifle Pa! There's vermin in the back yard.

Wow, is it a slow news day or something? How in the hell has this non-story racked up 150+ comments?

Also, is it really necessary to put it as the second big headline on the right side of the main page? Sheesh...

The MSM battling the MSM. Who cares? Let them tear each other apart and thin out the moronic herd.

It's August and Howard Wolfson is still making excuses for why Hillary lost.

Last month, he claimed that the Edwards coverup cost her the nomination.

Howard, the reason Hillary lost is because Obama won.

You're in denial of both.


Wolfson is one of the main reasons many of my friends did not support Clinton to begin with many months ago. He is a liar and attacked the democrat arm of the party that supported Obama. He is the one who pushed the notion, and a wrong one at that, that Hillary would be the nominee and everyone else was wasting their time. The poor moron has been wrong time and time and time again. He's wrong now just like he was when he tried to fly the lie that Clinton would have been the nominee if it had came out that Edwards was lying about his affair...like Obama running a MUCH better campaign and hiring better people had nothing to do with it...but go ahead Wolfbutt and keep talking...LOL Your actually quite amusing.

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I think one of the best things the Democratic candidates did this cycle was call FOX out on their right-wing bias.

I have nothing but contempt for these DLC DINOs scarfing up Rupert Murdoch's dollars.
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Well he's right of course.

Everyone who is denying the validity of Wolfson's accusation that no one attacks Democrats more than KO should look at KO's paranoid and borderline slanderous response to Clinton's RFK reference. He's the Democratic Bill O'Reilly.

Notice EVERYONE in Clinton's campaign were a bunch of FoxNews love mongers?


Pathetic. Her whole campaign was Bush-lite. Including her.

Wolfson is obviously the new point man for the Clintons' bitter, bi-coastal, rich Jewish financial backers who did all they could to keep Hillary in the race as long as possible, even when it was mathematically impossible for her to win, in order to destroy their hated enemy Obama. These Democratic, Likudnic neocons are one-issue people who, like the Republican neocons who gifted us with the insane proxy war for Israel in Iraq, are mainly interested in whether a candidate supports their conservative warhawk vision of what America can and must do to "protect" Israel. (Their next goal, as Hillary announced for them, is to "obliterate" Iran, which they fear Obama is not anxious enough to do.) Anyway, Lanny Davis and Wolfson are both point men for the propaganda campaign designed by these people to subvert Obama by any means necessary. As usual, a majority of American Jews are true liberals, so they're voting for Obama, rightly confident that he's NOT Israel's enemy.

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Hate to say it, but I would agree that MSNBC has strayed from responsible journalism. KO is as clearly biased as any anchor I have ever seen, and Matthews is just insane. What makes this especially sad, though, is that MSNBC is still the most responsible and reasoned of all of the cable news networks. It is the least of three evils. God help us all.

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And, if you have access to it, turn on C-Span. I was able to watch the entire night's proceedings last night without once wanting to shoot my TV. Try it, you'll like it.

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Oh yeah. Democrats are all just perfect and lord knows we wouldn't want to call one out for acting like a Republican. Wolfson, Ford, Carville, and Lieberman need to remember who they represent, and it ain't Republicans, conservatives, neocons, and corporations.

Howard Wolfson is way off base. Democrats like myself and others feel the way CNN in general and Wolfson specifically in his Situation Room segment has played, played and replayed negative attack ads of the Republicans/McCain Campaign over and over and over and over, giving them millions of dollars of free air time specifically goes to a bias eerily similar to the PUMAs - that odd creature with the big roar and the tiny presence. But it's not just Wolfson. It's the tone and the actions of CNN.

That is the basis of the public sentiment on CNN. To play even ONE of those ads, unless following it up with the opposing side's rebuttal ad, shows a remarkable lack of understanding of why people want a more fair media.

Is MSNBC fairer? Probably not. But compare headlines at MSNBC's FirstRead with those of the Political Ticker and you can SEE the difference: The Political Ticker inevitably sensationalizes the headline, regardless of the content of the story.

Here's another example of odd bias: During the convention, CNN has twice run so-called "polls" "rating" the performance of the main speakers... in this case, Michelle Obama and the next night, Hillary Clinton. Odd, but in both cases, the 5 anchor/pundit types rated each A,A,A,A and the Sanchez vote of B. Yet, the overall vote is B. Statistics would tell you that just isn't likely. I've not looked today, but I BET you if there is a "rate the X" poll, the grade is B.

As if an A is just not allowable regardless of the performance given. Leslie Sanchez rated Michelle a B for the freaking DRESS. Yeah. right. B + a scratchy sensation, I'd say... that's Leslie's grade from the public.

That sort of pandering and pretending is exactly why anchors Olberman and Matthews call out CNN's representatives on behavior. And it's not just them... read the comments on stories and you'll find as many similar feelings among CNN's readers. IF they get past the moderation.

For instance "Rollins: Good speech, but Obama still needs credibility" on Bill Clinton's speech. FirstRead? "Reaction to Clinton Speech". It may be subtle, but not lost. The overall perception is a lack of objectivity on the part of CNN.

Hey, I'm not against subjectivity, so don't get me wrong. I WANT MSNBC to ditch the likes of Joe Scarborough and that awful bellowing dinosaur Pat Buchanan. I'd like them to get rid of rigidly conservative David Gregory, and maybe even Tom Brokaw. I prefer Olbermann, Maddow, and Matthews to any of them. And that is a good thing. It shows a bit of balance which is more than I can say about CNN.

Think about it. If you tried to pick the single person on CNN that you KNEW was a Democrat... who would it be? Hmmm... can't think of one, myself.

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Why do so many Dem failures end up at Faux? Refuge for the incompetent?
Oh yeah: f wolfson up the nose with a rubber hose... what a total sellout, traitor, selfish little man. He will fit right in with the rest of the failures at Faux.
ANY person who works at Faux and calls themself a Democrat is lying... we don't want 'em.

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