This just seems so out of character for Michele Bachmann.

Bitch is nuts.

Cha-ching!  $50 to ActBlue's MN-06 Democratic Nominee Fund.

Apparently there's still a Dem primary race between Elwyn Tinklenberg and Bob Olson for the chance to oppose Miss Looney Tunes.  Godspeed to whomever gets the nod!

Q: How Insane can you become before declared unfit to run?

Then ask her why we need government at all?

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Why must every politician always equate everybody to Hitler or Jesus? I so don't get it.

HHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHhAAAHHAHAHHAHAHhahHAAHAHHA!!!!!!

HAAA!!!!!!!!

Holy crap!

I also didn't realize that the ban on human cloning had been lifted. But why did they have to experiment with the Katherine Harris genome?

The planet was saved 2000 (or so) years ago when Augustus was born. He put an end to the Roman civil war and the Roman republic.

For that - the "good news" was spread throughout the world that it has been saved by the birth of Augustus. And Augustus was divinized as the saviour of the world.

Later - this peace through victory was opposed by Jesus. His peace was a different peace - peace through justice.

Aligning herself with the Republican oil war aligns her with the same kinds of powerful forces that are supposed to have crucified Jesus.

She has become the evil that she believes she resists. A Satanic coup.

This isn't even good Christian theology. Jesus didn't save "the planet", he supposedly saved mankind from original sin. Saving the planet would be closer to the Jewish concept of the Messiah as a warlord and restorer of his people's greatness.

Another example of the phenomenon that so many of the loudest so-called Christians actually know next to nothing about the religion they say they so revere.

DUH YA BEEELEEEVE IN JAY-SUS???

I'LL HAVE A QUICK "AMEN"!

To paraphrase John McCain

Connecting real leaders to real bowels

(Actually, Christ’s peace isn't peace through justice, but peace through mercy.)

In any case, as has already been pointed out, this "Christian" nutjob, doesn't even understand the basics of Christian theology (Does “My kingdom is not of this world,” ring a bell?). It's hardly surprising though as the most outspoken members of any group are usually the ones least burdened with things like, knowledge and insight. I would argue that, far from being a “Christian nation,” the United States is a neo-pagan society that has appropriated the figure of Christ as a sort of uber-American, crime-fighting superhero who, conveniently agrees with us about everything. Bachman is just one example of the comic book Jesus blasphemy that the fundamentalists mistake for Christianity.

Has she been talking to Sen. Inhofe? What a tool!

And speaking of religious right craziness:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/11/focus-action-pulls-video-asking-people-pray-rain-b/

Holy crap!

The Lord gathered all the animals before Adam and had Adam name them. The Lord proclaimed Adam steward of all the fishes in the sea, all the creatures of the land and sky, and all that he saw.

The Lord told Noah to gather 2 of every animal that breathes life. To gather 7 of every fowl of the sky.

I think this shows that God was an environmentalist. I kinda think that he probably still is.

I get the feeling that I wouldn't want to piss him off by screwing up everything that he created, and gave to us. That is if you are truly a religious person.

One more person this planet would be better off without.

Why do GOP women all look like Stepford Wives and the men all have either bad toupee' or bad comb-overs?

What is it about the look in the eyes of types like Bachmann? Somewhat serene, I suppose, but equally vacant. Rather doe-eyed, though perhaps chemically regulated (all legally prescribed, of course). The sort of look I'd be after if I were a swindler selling my wares.

Sometimes I wish I were a neurologist with a big research budget, so that I could get an inkling of what portion of the frontal lobes isn't firing among these predestined and chosen ones.

If God already saved the Minnesota, what was Senator Widestance doing in that stall?

But will Jesus bring the Pork Chops? (h/t George Carlin RIP :))

Bachmann was mistaken saying that Jesus already saved the planet. Actually, Jesus did come to save the world but the "world" is not the landscape but the "people". Jesus created each human being with eternal souls so that we could spend our lives in fellowship with him forever. Example: Adam and Eve. But they sinned and that sin brought the punishment of death to all mankind.

The punishment has been paid, he has now redeemed us with his own sinless body. Now our responsibility is to accept Jesus as the redeemer of our souls and THAT is how he saves the world one person at a time.

As you know, most people reject Jesus because they'd rather be in their sin. Therefore, they are not saved and will suffer the punishment when its their time to die. As to living forever with God, Christ rose from the dead and went back to heaven and someday he will return to earth to collect his people who have chosen him as their redeemer and take them to live for eternity with him in heaven.

Eventually, all the worries about this planet will be brought to an end. At that time when Christ returns and takes his own to be with him he will separate the saved from the unsaved, he will finish the destruction that was begun earlier thru wars, earthquakes, famine, natural and unnatural desasters and create a new heavens and earth for his people to enjoy for eternity.

And those who rejected Christ when they had the chance to accept will not be allowed into his beautiful new world but will be sent to where they chose, apart from God, Hell.

Has Colbert had her on Better Know a District?

My guess is that Ms. Bachman "knew" her audience and felt quite comfortable making a statement that was contemptibly stupid to a group of contemptibly stupid. There were no doubt,shouts of Hallelujah! Amen! and Praise Jesus!

What the hell happened to Minnesota since I was there last?

During her race against Patty Wetterling I had the good fortune of seeing Bachman tell a congregation @ an evangelical suburban Minneapolis mega-church that, among other things, God told her to run for congress. Afterwards, the head pastor presided over the collection. It was all wink, wink.

I was with a friend - field anthropologically speaking.

Rev. Jojo-
Do you go by the name of Daryll at ThinkProgress?
He's got the same delusions about the present and everafter and loves to proselytize.

Doesn't MN have any available psychiatric beds? They need at least one for Bachmann.

Oh Lord, won't you buy me
a Mercedes Benz
my friends all drive Porsches,
I must make amends.

Worked hard all my lifetime,
no help from my friends.

So, oh Lord, won't you buy me
a Mercedes Benz

Jeffgee, this is not a "delusion" it is Truth which you will experience one day; Brain user, this is not a "private fantasy" but sane, thoughtful, intelligent people from all over the world have heard this Good News for over 2000 years, humbled their selfish pride, changed from using their brain like you and your friends here are doing and became truly free from their bondage to sin; so they no longer have a need to insult people who are different from them, but instead love people because Jesus loves all people.

Reserve a psych unit bed for that nut case . . .
Maybe she could share a room with "Jojo21". Yikes! These people are really delusional. I hope that even most "sane" Christians (not an oxymoron, I hope) can see, at this point, what happens when neo-cons have the POWER & CONTROL they so crave! Let's hope it isn't too late to get our country back - by vote rather than by blood.

What does the Bible say of hubris, and of those who believe themselves closer to God than their brothers and sisters?

Just a point...the charge to subdue or have dominion over the earth is found in the book of Genesis. Genesis, of course, was written long before there were Christians.

StevenD56 you are correct. When God created Adam and Eve he gave them the job of taking care of the earth. The book of Genesis is in the Old Testament. As one studies the Bible with a desire to understand it truthfully, they see that the Old Testament is filled with prophesies that are fulfilled in the New Testament. Example:In the Old Testament book of Zechariah Chapter 9 verse 9 says:....See, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey. Then, hundreds of years later the New Testament book of John Chapter 12 verses 14 thru 16: Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written, Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey's colt. At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified (raised from the dead) did they realize that these things had been written about him....

Tank, the second part of your question about people telling others that they need Jesus (as I am doing now) is not about thinking I'm better than you. Not at all. I'm telling you this and allowing you to make fun of me because I have something more valuable than anything this world has to offer and I care about you so much I want you to have it too. Jesus said in the New Testament, the book of John over and over again that some people belong to him and others don't. But it is their choice as to whether they belong to him or not. In Chapter 10 verse 24 the unbelievers (who don't want to believe and only want to make trouble for Jesus) say, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." Jesus responds verses 25-30, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice: I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand." This makes it clear that some have a better outcome in this life than others. It's not pride, it's God's Word. And since he's the one who determines what happens to us I will follow him.

Many comments are correct. Jesus came and died to save people, not a place. I think her comments were an exaggeration to get people to focus on what is most important in life - decisions that lead to eternal consequences rather than earthly conditions.

Some of the previous posts seem to be unclear about exactly what Jesus did, and why.

Have you ever heard of the good person test? Let me walk you through some of the 10 Commandments.

How many lies have you told in your life? Someone who tells a lie is called a liar.

Have you ever stolen anything, irrespective of value? Including music downloads, or wasted time while being paid for a job? Someone who steals is called a thief.

Have you ever used God's name in vain? Like 'Oh my G-d' or using the name of Jesus Christ as a swear word? That is taking God's holy name and using it as a common swear word. This is very series in God's view, and is called blasphemy.

Have you ever murdered anyone? Most people haven't, but Jesus said that if you hate someone, you have committed murder in your heart.

Have you ever lusted over someone? Jesus said that if you lust you have committed adultery in your heart.

How did you do? If you are a human like the rest of us, you have failed in many or most categories. I'm not judging you, I am just laying out the argument for the fact that nobody is good. Not me, not you, not Mother Teresa.

In a human court, it doesn't matter if you do more good than bad. If you are judged to being guilty of a crime, you must pay the penalty for that crime. God is holy, and more just than a human judge. He cannot tolerate any sin? The penalty for sin is death and eternal punishment in hell.

Are you thinking that nobody can get into heaven then? If so, you are right that nobody deserves to get into heaven. However, God created a way for us to get in. Jesus (God's son) allowed himself to suffer and die for our sins. Like the previous judge scenario, it would be like us being found guilty and about ready to be thrown away in jail, then someone stepped in and said they would take our punishment for us. What we have to do is admit our sinfulness to God, turn from our sins, and put out trust in Jesus. If you do that, God will see you as pure as Jesus.

I don't know you. I don't want anything from you. But I am concerned for your eternity. Please consider what I am saying. I would encourage you to read the book of John in the Bible. Test the claims. It will be worth your time and effort.

JoJo21,
Please mate, stop with the fire n brimstone.
Xians use circular logic to coerce.

Bachmanns statement is a classic example how a pure conceptual thought can be twisted to gross extremes.
The deeper you dig mate, the more you'll realise the "the christ" you think you know is only your true self. So please do us a favour, save the patter.

“Have you ever used God's name in vain? Like 'Oh my G-d' or using the name of Jesus Christ as a swear word? That is taking God's holy name and using it as a common swear word. This is very series in God's view, and is called blasphemy.”

Actually, “God” is not God’s name (neither is “Lord” for that matter). The name He gives in scripture is YHWH. Also, taking the Lord’s name in vain pertains mostly to efforts to appropriate His authority to human purposes (i.e. swearing a false oath in His name).

Using Christ’s name or YHWH commonly or profanely would be considered sacrilege, not blasphemy.

Ya write "...because Jesus loves all people."

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't Jebus the same as his father (you know that whole "trinity" nonsense)? So, it is not only fair, but necessary, to understand that any action committed by Jebus' father was actually committed by Jebus, himself?

It follows then, that when father/Jebus commits mass murder and genocide on a near daily basis throughout the 'Old Testament,' Jebus' actions are slightly less than 'loving' towards "all people?"

After all, Jebus killed 185,000 people whose only sin was having a king who didn't share the hebrew faith (Isaiah 37:1-36). Or the tens of thousands of others who were butchered, their only sin being living on land that happened to be in the path of the Israelites (Judges 3:28-29; Numbers 20-21; & countless other instances to numerous to list).

You can quit with the whole 'god is love' routine. Your bible thoroughly contradicts your argument.

WayneS,

I don't feel you're able to see alternative view points as it seems that you're not bothered how circular logical the bible is. You say that the bible is god's word, because it says that it is. Therefore it must be correct.

You've experienced an "awakening" and your world view can only interpret it to be xian as that is the common religion where you are. What you're not obviously aware of most all religious share the same experience and most think because it's personal, it must be the right one. Islamic believe the exact same and quote their book as passionately.

I say that your god is non other than yourself. Jesus was and is a nothing more than a myth which attempts to explain an overwhelming complex thought that one couldn't possibly otherwise understand.
Just why is it so important to blast your personal experiences onto others? Would you do the same with sex? To be fair, it's just as intimate.

WayneS,

While I do admire faith, please accept it as faith only. you say ...
"The events have been shown time and again to be historically accurate."

This is far from true. Prof. Ze'ev Herzog of Tel Aviv University released a paper in 1999 called "Deconstructing the walls of Jericho" ....

Quoting professor Herzog " "the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander the desert, did not conquer the land, and did not pass it on to the twelve tribes". Moreover, the Jewish God YHWH had a female consort - the goddess Asherah!"
note: Actually, she is in the bible throughout Kings known as a wooden image of female deity. She eventually ended us as what we now call the holy spirit.

Now, back to Egypt...
Think of it, over 1/2 a million people traveling 40 years in a circle around Sinai and there is absolutely zero archeological evidence. Not even a broken pot was found in that era.
While it is not my wish to diss a faith, but except it as faith, not fact. Another fact my friend, Nazareth didn't even exist until the beginning of the 4th century CE.

The Jesus story is nothing more than a Jewish mystery religion. It's actually good stuff, but it is far from being a biography. Ever notice how different the gospels are from the Paulines?

Now, mix a mystery religion with politics? a recipe for disaster which can only end with tears.

To sum it up Wayne, faith is precious, bit it is just that, faith my friend. Peace

I knew I shouldn't have tried to use the bible to argue with the dogmatists. My mistake. Or was it Satan? (bwah, ha, ha).

Regarding the silly question of a "good person test." I am able to know the difference between what is good and what is bad without reference to the insane ranting of primitive tribesman. To rely on a ridiculously misogynistic collection of myth that never even gets the whole question of slavery right is beneath my evolved intelligence.

Further, my great "philosophical quote" is lost on you. Not having to 'believe' in a god isn't a personal decision. Let me clarify by analogy:

If there were such a thing as a huge ball of gas near our planet that was converting hydrogen into helium in its core, you would not have to 'believe' in it.

In other words, if there were a god, its existence would be as obvious as the nose on your face. You would not be able to escape the knowledge of this god thingy. Instead, we have hundreds --if not thousands-- of religions and sects all telling different histories of their supernatural god projections.

What you call "Truth" is pretty damn subjective. Sacrifice a lamb for me.

Isn't it interesting that there are so many religions out there? But they are all based on a person having to appease a god or do an unknown number of works sometimes good, sometimes bad; i.e., child sacrifice, suicide bomber, in order to avoid punishment in some way? Except for being a suicide bomber I don't know of a single religion that gives one the confidence of a guarantee of good, peace or heaven after death. Most people live their lives with the question of, "Am I good enough?" Even many so called "christian" churches preach that same message.
Believing Scripture as Truth and accepting Christ as Savior is not a religion. It is the Only belief that says we can have a personal relationship with God himself and it is that personal relationship that fills us each day and takes us through eternity. It is the only faith that is not based on works. It doesn't matter how much we help the poor, go to church, do good works. Isaiah 64:6 "All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away." Good works done to gain the approval of God will not please him. If good works could gain favor with God then people would lift themselves up and think they were better than others. But Scripture says in Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God --not by works, so that no one can boast." It is a GIFT from God (the God that so many of you hate) given to us by HIS GRACE (that we don't deserve) and all we have to do is let go of our pride and accept that God himself, in the form of Jesus, made the way. And he guarantees it! Romans:6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." All we have to do is accept HIS way. Ahhh, but that is the HARD part. We humans don't like accepting someone else's way. Just watch any two year old. When mommy tells them to do something, they throw a temper tantrum. And it doesn't stop at two, it continues on throughout the human life; bosses, spouses, local authorities, government, tax man.
John 14:6 Jesus says, "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me." It's extremely difficult for our stubborn hearts to humble ourselves and accept God's way as the ONLY way.

Brother Jojo:

I concede. There is no possibly way to score a point when I'm up against such ironclad nuggets as these:

Believing Scripture as Truth and accepting Christ as Savior is not a religion.

It's extremely difficult for our stubborn hearts to humble ourselves and accept God's way as the ONLY way.

How can one possibly argue against such dogmatic certainty?

I guess I now must face the fact that I am a wretched sinner and only the horrid scapegoat crucifixion of an innocent man/god can save me. It makes so much more sense to me now.

Sigh. I can never look at pasta the same again.

Keep up the good fight, brother Jojo.

Congressional candidates are not legally required to be sane. (And that explains a lot.)